avykins: Because the type of girls that ususally go topless are exactly the type you do not want to see. Think 40-50 year olds with their nipples hanging around their waists. >.<
No thanks...
Heh, if I was allowed, I would be most of the time. :D But that's just me. May be you guys are in the wrong part of the world?
We should hang out!
But really. Boobs are great and all but I don't wanna see them while I walk around town.
Do you think it's Islamic impression of morality on all the communities of the world or a general in born approach of morality left in people.
Islamic...what now?
I don't think anyone should be walking around topless, male or female regardless - especially at this time of year, poor things would catch a dreadful cold.
Perhaps the reason is that every 13 year old and their dog would follow said topless woman home?
Frankly, you don't need to intellectualise this either; don't pretend this has anything to do with innate moral codes, or the Islamic faith, you just want to know why women don't walk around with their tits out.
The answer to which, is not that surprising.
...No, really, why are you even asking this question.
Let me ask this of you, OP; how often do you walk around in public with your John Thomas out?
What's that, you don't? At all? Must be the impression Islam has had on us, clearly.
Its religion in general that prevents girls from being topless. Most Americans(Damn puritans) like to keep a false sense of purity and righteousness by claiming it corrupts the youth whenever they see women as they naturally are.
Funny that, I don't see any Atheists walking around naked, either.
This is quite possibly the worst thought-out attack on Religion I have ever seen, and that is saying something.
Either that, or I'm missing out on these Atheist sex-orgies and nude beaches, in which those free from the shackles of religion and the puritanic scolding, suddenly start to love getting naked.
well, in england its probably carried over from the victorian era.
here in america... well, heres a crash course in our history: this country was a bunch of religious nutjobs who were kicked out of georgian (remember this was the one that preceded the victorian era) england for being too boring and stuffy. they didnt celebrate christmas and they all wore brown, they had a great time being fed by the natives, then proceeded to murder rape and con them out of a decent chuck of their continent. during a brief break in the murder/rape/conning we revolted, i guess because we hated tea and liked money, that entire period of history is kinda fuzzy to me to be honest, im not on board with the tea thing, but money's ok i guess, then we then had a great time raping murdering and conning the natives out of their continent, took their children, gave them casinos and never spoke of it again. while all this was happening we had a wonderful time in the slave trade, stealing people from villages in africa andwhat else-conning them out of their people, a few years later we went to war with ourselves (inventing some wonderful new weapons to kill each other with along the way, if theres one thing we hate more than foreigners its those god damn dirty/ignorant/elitist american bastards from *other geographical region*) and freed them, then a few generations later we officially recognized them as people. what does this have to do with topless women you ask? well, during this entire time women still werent able to vote, and those nosecock christians who were so conservative they didnt celebrate christmas and only wore brown? yeah, they were running the country. still are. keep in mind, we were claiming to be freedom and good through ALL of this. as a country we are, essentially, a bipolar schizophrenic compulsive liar with multiple personalities. and nukes. it doesnt have to make sense.
in the middle east i hear women get shot for not covering up their ankles, or showing hair. im sorry but ive gotta blame this one on religion.
avykins: Because the type of girls that ususally go topless are exactly the type you do not want to see. Think 40-50 year olds with their nipples hanging around their waists. >.<
No thanks...
Heh, if I was allowed, I would be most of the time. :D But that's just me. May be you guys are in the wrong part of the world?
We should hang out!
But really. Boobs are great and all but I don't wanna see them while I walk around town.
MRMIdAS2k: Ah to live in a country where nobody gives a fuck about a topless woman on a beach......
avykins: Because the type of girls that ususally go topless are exactly the type you do not want to see. Think 40-50 year olds with their nipples hanging around their waists. >.<
You've not been to Spain have you?
I'd much rather not see breasts at all then be exposed to some of the monstrosities that roam these lands. I mean I don't wish to offend, but when breasts can almost be considered testicles, there's a problem.
you've not been going to the right beaches then....
Steve Dark: There are really two parts to this for me, one half of me would LOVE it if attractive women walked around topless on hot days, but then the other half gets me angry at even the thought of any other guys eyeing up my girlfriend if she were to do the same. So overall I think I prefer things the way they are now to be honest, it saves me the effort of beating the crap out of every guy with wayward eyes on a hot day. :P
I guess you should dress your woman in a burka then.
Seriously I've never got this bullshit from guys getting pissy because another man looked at their girlfriend.
needausername: You're beginning to sound a lot like Amico Micra (spelling?)...
On topic, Woman's Breast's are perceived as sexual objects, while mens are seen as... well, if the man is in good shape, they like to show them off, if they aren't then they hide them.
Frankly, even a bodybuilder's chest is disgusting to watch jiggle as they run. Especially in that old Hulk movie, where its in slo-mo. *shutters*
Generally, though, I think everyone should wear shirts, unless its a hot climate, in which I condone stripping.
Steve Dark: There are really two parts to this for me, one half of me would LOVE it if attractive women walked around topless on hot days, but then the other half gets me angry at even the thought of any other guys eyeing up my girlfriend if she were to do the same. So overall I think I prefer things the way they are now to be honest, it saves me the effort of beating the crap out of every guy with wayward eyes on a hot day. :P
I guess you should dress your woman in a burka then.
Seriously I've never got this bullshit from guys getting pissy because another man looked at their girlfriend.
Well, there are a few reasons. One could be possessiveness, yes. Another could be a perceived insult to her by objectifying her. I'm usually a very peaceful person, but one guy kept trying to feel up at the time a girlfriend of mine. Were it not for the fact I never saw the idiot I probably would have taken a chair to his face. Or some other similar object. And I'm a guy that has issues killing roaches.
Steve Dark: There are really two parts to this for me, one half of me would LOVE it if attractive women walked around topless on hot days, but then the other half gets me angry at even the thought of any other guys eyeing up my girlfriend if she were to do the same. So overall I think I prefer things the way they are now to be honest, it saves me the effort of beating the crap out of every guy with wayward eyes on a hot day. :P
I guess you should dress your woman in a burka then.
Seriously I've never got this bullshit from guys getting pissy because another man looked at their girlfriend.
Well, there are a few reasons. One could be possessiveness, yes. Another could be a perceived insult to her by objectifying her. I'm usually a very peaceful person, but one guy kept trying to feel up at the time a girlfriend of mine. Were it not for the fact I never saw the idiot I probably would have taken a chair to his face. Or some other similar object. And I'm a guy that has issues killing roaches.
There is a big difference between looking at your girlfriend and trying to molest her. The fact is all men will glance at a pretty girl walking down the street and we don't mean anything malicious by it.
Boobs would not be sexual if they were a part of normality, they were only sexual for being taboo, a no-no zone, a sin.
I'm not really a fan of the idea, but let the people do whatever the hell they want with their bodies!
^ This.
If women had been going around topless for, randomly drawn number of... 100 years, this would all be a normality by now, and no one would care.
Not true. Breasts serve as much of a sexual purpose as they do a maternal purpose, and because they are a large defining portion of the female form those attracted to said form are going to see them as such.
That being said, that doesn't mean we're always going to be aroused by bare breasts. If they were everywhere, then yes, we probably wouldn't be constantly aroused because we're accustomed to them and, to some extent, desensitized. But that doesn't mean they still aren't sexual.
Steve Dark: There are really two parts to this for me, one half of me would LOVE it if attractive women walked around topless on hot days, but then the other half gets me angry at even the thought of any other guys eyeing up my girlfriend if she were to do the same. So overall I think I prefer things the way they are now to be honest, it saves me the effort of beating the crap out of every guy with wayward eyes on a hot day. :P
I guess you should dress your woman in a burka then.
Seriously I've never got this bullshit from guys getting pissy because another man looked at their girlfriend.
Well, there are a few reasons. One could be possessiveness, yes. Another could be a perceived insult to her by objectifying her. I'm usually a very peaceful person, but one guy kept trying to feel up at the time a girlfriend of mine. Were it not for the fact I never saw the idiot I probably would have taken a chair to his face. Or some other similar object. And I'm a guy that has issues killing roaches.
There is a big difference between looking at your girlfriend and trying to molest her. The fact is all men will glance at a pretty girl walking down the street and we don't mean anything malicious by it.
You're right, but that was just my most extreme example. Another guy propositioned her, in spite of knowing that I was still in the picture, and some old guy nodded to himself and made some motions because he thought she wasn't looking. Care to explain to me how I am going to take this other than objectification and, by extension, insulting?
I'm not saying you can't ever possibly appreciate a person's form without insulting them, but when you start making some very overt actions I'm going to take it as an insult to her and going to get pissed about it. Especially if I don't know you.
needausername: You're beginning to sound a lot like Amico Micra (spelling?)...
On topic, Woman's Breast's are perceived as sexual objects, while mens are seen as... well, if the man is in good shape, they like to show them off, if they aren't then they hide them.
Frankly, even a bodybuilder's chest is disgusting to watch jiggle as they run. Especially in that old Hulk movie, where its in slo-mo. *shutters*
Generally, though, I think everyone should wear shirts, unless its a hot climate, in which I condone stripping.
Yeah, But I'm not saying its because women want men to, its because it satisfies mens egos.
facaldo: Why a man can go topless publicly all over the world while women can't ? It's not even widely practiced in USA. On beaches and on the roads you can find girls in bikni while men absolutely topless. (I'm not talking about "NO CLOTHES BEYOND THIS POINT AREAS")
Do you think it's Islamic impression of morality on all the communities of the world or a general in born approach of morality left in people.
Your take?
It's not so much that, as the command to dress modestly. You do make a point though.
Its religion in general that prevents girls from being topless. Most Americans(Damn puritans) like to keep a false sense of purity and righteousness by claiming it corrupts the youth whenever they see women as they naturally are.
Boobs would not be sexual if they were a part of normality, they were only sexual for being taboo, a no-no zone, a sin.
I'm not really a fan of the idea, but let the people do whatever the hell they want with their bodies!
^ This.
If women had been going around topless for, randomly drawn number of... 100 years, this would all be a normality by now, and no one would care.
Not true. Breasts serve as much of a sexual purpose as they do a maternal purpose, and because they are a large defining portion of the female form those attracted to said form are going to see them as such.
That being said, that doesn't mean we're always going to be aroused by bare breasts. If they were everywhere, then yes, we probably wouldn't be constantly aroused because we're accustomed to them and, to some extent, desensitized. But that doesn't mean they still aren't sexual.
Boobs would not be sexual if they were a part of normality, they were only sexual for being taboo, a no-no zone, a sin.
I'm not really a fan of the idea, but let the people do whatever the hell they want with their bodies!
^ This.
If women had been going around topless for, randomly drawn number of... 100 years, this would all be a normality by now, and no one would care.
Not true. Breasts serve as much of a sexual purpose as they do a maternal purpose, and because they are a large defining portion of the female form those attracted to said form are going to see them as such.
That being said, that doesn't mean we're always going to be aroused by bare breasts. If they were everywhere, then yes, we probably wouldn't be constantly aroused because we're accustomed to them and, to some extent, desensitized. But that doesn't mean they still aren't sexual.
Well if we were desnsiyised to it and weren't aroused they wouldn't be sexual per se. Any part of the body can be made sexual.
They'd still serve a sexual purpose. And while other things can be fetishized and sexualized, it's false to say even then that the foot is a sexual organ. Just that feet can be viewed in a sexual light. But a foot fetish isn't like deriving sexual satisfaction from breasts. The body views them sexually, that's something hormonally and ingrained.
I would actually argue that the sexually conservative nature of most western societies is in fact heavily influenced by religon.
You could, but the chances are you would end up looking a bit daft. What the argument would boil down too is priests and other members of the clergy being involved in a massive conspiracy to stop women getting naked in public. It would make 9/11 conspiracy theorists look sane.
Ok I wouldn't go quite that far, but the argument would unravel on at least two points:-
1. Atheists don't all want to tear their clothes off and run naked through the streets, and only some of the more bizarre (or possibly sex-starved) atheists are complaining about this issue. Atheist societies (USSR, China, Cambodia etc) never all repealed sex laws. In fact they made sex laws (and all other laws for that matter) considerably more conservative.
2. Being topless has nothing to do with sexual conservatism. People want so have orgies? People want to have sex with 9 people at once? People want their girlfriend to beat them black and blue then hose them down with ice water? Is 14 old enough to start having sex? Sex before marriage? Are same sex relations acceptable? That's the kind of thing sexual conservatism covers and yes, various nutters from religious factions tend to put their retarded oar in whenever those things get mentioned. But walking around in the nud? Naah
Liking chains and leather is a sexual liberation matter, whether we want topless women jogging in the park while we are kicking a football around with the kids is something else.
Ohhh and....
...a trial. Get 30 male kids of that age. Get them a female teacher. And then have her teach them quadratic equations, topless. Have a topless guy teach another 30 young male kids. See which group actually succeeds.
Steve Dark: There are really two parts to this for me, one half of me would LOVE it if attractive women walked around topless on hot days, but then the other half gets me angry at even the thought of any other guys eyeing up my girlfriend if she were to do the same. So overall I think I prefer things the way they are now to be honest, it saves me the effort of beating the crap out of every guy with wayward eyes on a hot day. :P
Quite frankly, if your girlfriend chooses to expose her breast, she also copes with people looking at them. So should you.
cuddly_tomato: Get 30 male kids of that age. Get them a female teacher. And then have her teach them quadratic equations, topless. Have a topless guy teach another 30 young male kids. See which group actually succeeds.
What if we were to take the sampling with boys from parts of South America and Africa where it's culturally acceptable?
I'm fairly certain that even girls would fail at this test. Not because of "OMG bewbs!", but rather "Huh? This is strange. What's going on?"
Boobs would not be sexual if they were a part of normality, they were only sexual for being taboo, a no-no zone, a sin.
I'm not really a fan of the idea, but let the people do whatever the hell they want with their bodies!
^ This.
If women had been going around topless for, randomly drawn number of... 100 years, this would all be a normality by now, and no one would care.
Not true. Breasts serve as much of a sexual purpose as they do a maternal purpose, and because they are a large defining portion of the female form those attracted to said form are going to see them as such.
That being said, that doesn't mean we're always going to be aroused by bare breasts. If they were everywhere, then yes, we probably wouldn't be constantly aroused because we're accustomed to them and, to some extent, desensitized. But that doesn't mean they still aren't sexual.
Well if we were desnsiyised to it and weren't aroused they wouldn't be sexual per se. Any part of the body can be made sexual.
They'd still serve a sexual purpose. And while other things can be fetishized and sexualized, it's false to say even then that the foot is a sexual organ. Just that feet can be viewed in a sexual light. But a foot fetish isn't like deriving sexual satisfaction from breasts. The body views them sexually, that's something hormonally and ingrained.
It's interesting,I remember a while back reading about a study that suggested that liking breasts was in fact a fetish, all be it the most common one by far. Also,how do you explain the fact that their are civilizations where women are always topless and men are not constantly trying to get sex?
Ultimately my point is that everything within society is based off of religous beleifs, if you can accept that don't both reading the wall below.
My whole arguament is that religon has shaped the trends within society. Atheists have still been raised in the same society with the same morals set by religon (usually christianity), whether they choose to accept it or not. All western countries have had their trends heavily influenced by religon for hundreds of years, it's only been in the past hundred that people have refuted the existance of god. These people that do refute the existance of god (Atheists etc) still largely accept the morals set down by Him, but simply deny His existance. Eg most Atheists do not endorse theft, murder, rape etc. Religon endoctrinated these beleifs and made them common, without religons influence who can say what men (and women) of (or not of) god would beleive.
Again the same point hits you're arguament about the teachers. The children who would be trialed in school would've been raised in a society the makes a topless woman (or rather he BOOBIES) a sexual entity. It is not uncommon for women in third world counties to be constantly topless, and nobody within the communities see it as being in any way innapropriate or distracting. I know in aboriginal culture it is shocking to show your feet (to not be wearing shoes) and for many years it was innapropriate for women to show their legs above the knee, we obviously do do not share these beleifs, because for whatever reason society has evolved in such a way that they are no longer issues.
The trends set by an individual are not nearly as relevant as the trends set by the religon of the majority, as people will naturally adapt to the social system they are in (especially children)
Ultimately my point is that everything within society is based off of religous beleifs, if you can accept that don't both reading the wall below.
My whole arguament is that religon has shaped the trends within society. Atheists have still been raised in the same society with the same morals set by religon (usually christianity), whether they choose to accept it or not. All western countries have had their trends heavily influenced by religon for hundreds of years, it's only been in the past hundred that people have refuted the existance of god. These people that do refute the existance of god (Atheists etc) still largely accept the morals set down by Him, but simply deny His existance. Eg most Atheists do not endorse theft, murder, rape etc. Religon endoctrinated these beleifs and made them common, without religons influence who can say what men (and women) of (or not of) god would beleive.
Again the same point hits you're arguament about the teachers. The children who would be trialed in school would've been raised in a society the makes a topless woman (or rather he BOOBIES) a sexual entity. It is not uncommon for women in third world counties to be constantly topless, and nobody within the communities see it as being in any way innapropriate or distracting. I know in aboriginal culture it is shocking to show your feet (to not be wearing shoes) and for many years it was innapropriate for women to show their legs above the knee, we obviously do do not share these beleifs, because for whatever reason society has evolved in such a way that they are no longer issues.
The trends set by an individual are not nearly as relevant as the trends set by the religon of the majority, as people will naturally adapt to the social system they are in (especially children)
Yes there are many places where women are topless and it is not sexual we have just been taught that they are,and the prohibition of them and the rarity of seeing them is what gets guys off. Now I am talking about normal boobs not supermodel ones because those are rather rare anyway, unless you live in California.
Lots of men could not handle women walking around topless, mainly here in America. In many European countries it is ok on the beach. I saw it in Nice, France and after a while it did not matter to me at all anymore. In Holland they have prostitutes just sitting topless in store windows. In Africa and other such places it is normal for tribal women to to so. But here in America, I just do not believe that my fellow American men could handle such a thing in mass. Sorry ladies I know you should be able too, but let's all be honest, it would never be practical.
axia777: Lots of men could not handle women walking around topless, mainly in America. Europe in a lot of countries it is ok on the beach. I saw it in Nice, France and after a while it did not matter to me at all anymore. In Africa and other such places it is normal for tribal women to to so. But here in America, I just do not believe that men could handle such a thing in mass.
At this point that is true, but if the culture gradually eased into it then we can but that takes time.
axia777: Lots of men could not handle women walking around topless, mainly in America. Europe in a lot of countries it is ok on the beach. I saw it in Nice, France and after a while it did not matter to me at all anymore. In Africa and other such places it is normal for tribal women to to so. But here in America, I just do not believe that men could handle such a thing in mass.
At this point that is true, but if the culture gradually eased into it then we can but that takes time.
Eased nothing. Janet Jackson's tit poped out for a couple of second and America shit their collective pants. America's out look on sex in general is much to Puritanical. It will NEVER happen.
axia777: Lots of men could not handle women walking around topless, mainly in America. Europe in a lot of countries it is ok on the beach. I saw it in Nice, France and after a while it did not matter to me at all anymore. In Africa and other such places it is normal for tribal women to to so. But here in America, I just do not believe that men could handle such a thing in mass.
At this point that is true, but if the culture gradually eased into it then we can but that takes time.
Eased nothing. Janet Jackson's tit poped out for a couple of second and America shit their collective pants. America's out look on sex in general is much to Puritanical. It will NEVER happen.
I don't know there are a lot of things people said will never happen, that eventually did. I really can't say what will happen in the future.
Naterstein: I love boobies. I would hate to walk around all day with a boner and I would rather not be desensitized to them.
This is why. This is no joke. PatientGrasshopper may be able to handle it and would I, but millions of horny American male teen agers and men would never be able to handle it. That is a fact.
This is to the ladies here. How many times a week to you catch men staring at your ass or chest? Now try to imagine this with you breasts bare to the world. Now try to imagine every single minute of the day that you went topless all over the place. Yah, right.
genauguy: because guys find girl's breasts more attractive then girls find guy's breasts
This person is a legend. I actually lol'd.
genauguy: because guys find girl's breasts more attractive then girls find guy's breasts
I think that pretty much sums it up. Im a guy and personally i dont really mind. I think the fact that we're not seeing them all the time is part of the appeal. its the mystery that makes nudity so awesome and if you take that away, I feel like you would be taking some of the fun out of sex... just my opinion though. im sure most guys would probably disagree.
Yeah! Men shouldn't be allowed to go topless either!
Okey okey, here's one for ya. If a girl is arrested for indecent exposure because she's only wearing bra & panty, she goes to jail, but if she says that she is wearing a bikini, she gets a warning ticket & is told to keep to the beaches. How do you explain that one?
We should hang out!
But really. Boobs are great and all but I don't wanna see them while I walk around town.