Get a classroom full of atheist 14 year olds, and then get a woman to teach them all topless. If you are going to claim it would all be fine then you are talking out of your ass. If you are going to say there might be a few difficulties then you can't blame religion for this one.
So because of prejudice that results in the objectification of women when they expose the same region of their body as men, it somehow makes sense not to legalize going topless? I don't follow - attractive women have a hard time teaching young males, anyway.
No. I mentioned nothing of legality nor anything to do with objectification.
I am merely pointing out the absurdity of blaming religion for this.
Religion has everything to do with this, when a society blames women going topless or the exposure of a breast on television with the corruption of their children. If the greater part of the society feels this way or has these morals, they will vote to keep it illegal.
Very well.
Next time a flasher is caught by police for waving his todger at strangers I will remember that he isn't a pervert, it is just my prejudice left over from the intolerance of some biggoted 17th century priests.
By the way, do you need a tunnel at all? I have one for sale at the moment...
The only thing is a flasher isn't "showing himself" because he thinks it's wrong to cover it up, most flashers are perverts who get a sexual thrill from showing strangers his dong. People who blame religion do so because they believe religious people declared that boobs are sexual, whether you believe they are or not and why is up to you. Boobs have been sexualized, penises/vaginas are unarguably sexual and have always been that way.
In America, most morals ARE laws. Thus, Nudity is illegal.
I started to read the Essay posted above. I agree. I see nothing wrong with Sunbathing topless, or even public nudity in and of itself, but I think Businesses and such are NOT the place for it.
meh, in America we have kind of a fear of sexuality and the over sexuality of out culture, we see too much sex here, so sexual expression has become a bad thing, to be feared and scorned.
It doesn't really bother me much either way. I find when girls are more conservative that it is more sexy though (like those who don't wear revealing clothes), however I'm not quite sure why.
Even if it were considered totally normal, I don't think you'd get too many british women going topless most of the time because its too damn cold all the time, Hell I don't even like exposing my hands at the moment its so cold.
Darth Mobius: In America, most morals ARE laws. Thus, Nudity is illegal.
I started to read the Essay posted above. I agree. I see nothing wrong with Sunbathing topless, or even public nudity in and of itself, but I think Businesses and such are NOT the place for it.
I agree. Personal hygiene may become the issue then. It would really kill my appetite when I am sitting in restaurant eating near some smelly naked guy.
zhoomout: It doesn't really bother me much either way. I find when girls are more conservative that it is more sexy though (like those who don't wear revealing clothes), however I'm not quite sure why.
Yeah, I find it more sexy to be covered up than showing it all. Not sure why either, but I guess it has to do with the fact that it leaves more to the imagination, and thus is more fun...
I agree. Personal hygiene may become the issue then. It would really kill my appetite when I am sitting in restaurant eating near some smelly naked guy.
Actually, LUCKILY, that is where the No-Shirt, No Shoes, No service laws come into place. Most Strip clubs cannot have Full Nudity and serve food because there is not enough separation between the bar and the stage, and personal hygiene is the main concern. I have been to a FULL nude strip club that served dinner, but I had to sit so far from the stage it kind of ruined it...
I think it's a bit silly that women can't go topless. In fact, I think the whole nudity issue here in the US is absolutely pointless.
For example: You can watch a TV show that has vicious pictures of violence, people being shot in the head, sliced open, and it's rated TV-14. Now, if a woman shows her brest, it's a massive fine from the FCC and considered morally indecent.
Let's think about this. Seeing a breast is morally indecent, yet watching someone get their head blown off is ok for people 14 and up? Does this make ANY SENSE???
mokes310: I think it's a bit silly that women can't go topless. In fact, I think the whole nudity issue here in the US is absolutely pointless.
For example: You can watch a TV show that has vicious pictures of violence, people being shot in the head, sliced open, and it's rated TV-14. Now, if a woman shows her brest, it's a massive fine from the FCC and considered morally indecent.
Let's think about this. Seeing a breast is morally indecent, yet watching someone get their head blown off is ok for people 14 and up? Does this make ANY SENSE???
zhoomout: It doesn't really bother me much either way. I find when girls are more conservative that it is more sexy though (like those who don't wear revealing clothes), however I'm not quite sure why.
Yeah, I find it more sexy to be covered up than showing it all. Not sure why either, but I guess it has to do with the fact that it leaves more to the imagination, and thus is more fun...
Personally I can't stand being around naked, not because I'm self concious but because I need to always be fiddling around with something like sleeves or a belt buckle. Also the lack of having pockets would be simply to put-- annoying.
facaldo: Why a man can go topless publicly all over the world while women can't ? It's not even widely practiced in USA. On beaches and on the roads you can find girls in bikni while men absolutely topless. (I'm not talking about "NO CLOTHES BEYOND THIS POINT AREAS")
Do you think it's Islamic impression of morality on all the communities of the world or a general in born approach of morality left in people.
Your take?
Its religion in general that prevents girls from being topless. Most Americans(Damn puritans) like to keep a false sense of purity and righteousness by claiming it corrupts the youth whenever they see women as they naturally are.
Let's think about this. Seeing a breast is morally indecent, yet watching someone get their head blown off is ok for people 14 and up? Does this make ANY SENSE???
Let women walk around naked... it's not like it matters. Exposed or not, men are just going to sexualize them anyways the whole testicle thing kind of does that to us.
Let's think about this. Seeing a breast is morally indecent, yet watching someone get their head blown off is ok for people 14 and up? Does this make ANY SENSE???
Censorship never makes any sense.
Thank you. I've been waiting for someone in this thread to say that.
facaldo: Why a man can go topless publicly all over the world while women can't ? It's not even widely practiced in USA. On beaches and on the roads you can find girls in bikni while men absolutely topless. (I'm not talking about "NO CLOTHES BEYOND THIS POINT AREAS")
Do you think it's Islamic impression of morality on all the communities of the world or a general in born approach of morality left in people.
WOW! This is something i've thought aboiut for a couple of years now. It's part of my 100% equality thing i do. And yes, i think if men are topless, women should be too. It bothered me once when thre was a topless man on a TV ad, and i wanted to know why there was never a topless woman.
Personal feelings, I think its fine for anyone to go around topless. Americans in general need to get over the whole "anything sexy corrupts" kick we are on and stop being hypocritical. Movies are filled with sex and sometimes they suffer for it. If people were able to get used to the fact that skin is just skin, the entertainment industry might have to actually try instead of just have the promise of "boobies".
facaldo: Why a man can go topless publicly all over the world while women can't ? It's not even widely practiced in USA. On beaches and on the roads you can find girls in bikni while men absolutely topless. (I'm not talking about "NO CLOTHES BEYOND THIS POINT AREAS")
Do you think it's Islamic impression of morality on all the communities of the world or a general in born approach of morality left in people.
WOW! This is something i've thought aboiut for a couple of years now. It's part of my 100% equality thing i do. And yes, i think if men are topless, women should be too. It bothered me once when thre was a topless man on a TV ad, and i wanted to know why there was never a topless woman.
Your take?
lol! Moobs! Girlfriend mentioned that a few weeks ago she saw a man with a rather large pair of moobs, and it offended her. So are women offended by large moobs?
its not islam, in America we are still a center right nation despite the election of President-elect Obama, this country was founded by puritans so thats part of it and about 86% of us are christians and so many may find it offesive, as a hard right christian i honestly dont care but if i had young kids i wouldnt want boobs in their face all day, but thats just my .02$
videonerd250: I've never met anyone...well maybe one or two...who spends the majority of their day hunting for boobs (except on weekends). Men have lives too, it's not always about getting girls naked. At the same time, we are only human in that if women all of a sudden started walking around without shirts and bras, we wouldn't get much done.
I guess it is different with us in the military, our perspective is a bit different than other people. Getting women naked is most definitely one of the top pursuits among at least 90% of the men I work with.
*jumps on soap box* I just dont want to be desensitized to boobs! *jumps off soapbox* im not conservative, but i think that people shouldnt show too much of themselves, i mean were is the fun in that? its like looking at your christmas presents a week before christmas.
Let's think about this. Seeing a breast is morally indecent, yet watching someone get their head blown off is ok for people 14 and up? Does this make ANY SENSE???
avykins: Because the type of girls that ususally go topless are exactly the type you do not want to see. Think 40-50 year olds with their nipples hanging around their waists. >.<
Ah to live in a country where nobody gives a fuck about a topless woman on a beach......
avykins: Because the type of girls that ususally go topless are exactly the type you do not want to see. Think 40-50 year olds with their nipples hanging around their waists. >.<
MRMIdAS2k: Ah to live in a country where nobody gives a fuck about a topless woman on a beach......
avykins: Because the type of girls that ususally go topless are exactly the type you do not want to see. Think 40-50 year olds with their nipples hanging around their waists. >.<
You've not been to Spain have you?
I'd much rather not see breasts at all then be exposed to some of the monstrosities that roam these lands. I mean I don't wish to offend, but when breasts can almost be considered testicles, there's a problem.
I've allways wanted to do some crazy Truman Show experiment where you raise a kid in a world where women cover up their elbows and not their tits and see which he gets more turned on by.
I can't help but wonder what the point of this thread is.
Besides someone hoping to see tits all day and trying to cover said hope with a sociological question, that is. I mean... really? They're boobs. Don't get me wrong -- they're fun and all at the appropriate time, but who cares?
Look at it this way. If boobs weren't taboo, it would rob millions of high school boys the bragging rights of seeing [insert girl's name here] boobs at "Brad's hella sick party last weekend."
zhoomout: It doesn't really bother me much either way. I find when girls are more conservative that it is more sexy though (like those who don't wear revealing clothes), however I'm not quite sure why.
It could be that you find modesty attractive. Also, why not go topless? While I am indifferent on the matter for the most part, think about this, you would have to let all women go topless, which includes those you wish would NOT as already mentioned by a few!
The only thing is a flasher isn't "showing himself" because he thinks it's wrong to cover it up, most flashers are perverts who get a sexual thrill from showing strangers his dong.
People who blame religion do so because they believe religious people declared that boobs are sexual, whether you believe they are or not and why is up to you.
Boobs have been sexualized, penises/vaginas are unarguably sexual and have always been that way.