I'd kill in extreme cases, although I'd make a spectacle of it just to make the lesson 'stick'.

Example; person found keeping children locked in basement, raping them daily and abusing them to the point that they'd take their own life if they didn't live in such a hovel that they didn't have the means to do it.

This person would end up being literally ripped in half down the centre of their body using nothing more than super strength. It wouldn't be made slow, no it'd be incredibly quick to the point they don't have enough time to feel the pain. The process would be entirely show and would be used to show how powerless those sorts of criminals are against a super-powered agent of justice. They'd just be an example of why not to be so inhuman to their fellow man. (I see the irony, no use trying to point it out there).

Of course, that's a huge extreme. I wouldn't go around turning people inside-out for loitering or something...Although doom on whomever tries to drown kittens.

In fact, if anyone's read Death Note, think that kind of deterrent.

I wouldnt kill but I'd make sure they know that I caught them.

And I would make sure they spent the rest of their life in jail... AFTER they got out of intencive care =P

id kill those rapists and child abusers.. haha but before that, il have the rapists raped by macho homosexuals.. haha and make them feel the pain...

rossatdi:

Powerhelix:
I would kill anyone who broke the law, when you decide to break the law you have lost your rights as a human and are breaking the very threads that hold this socieity together. I will be the person that keeps the world from breaking into chaos

But then of course, you'd have been a law breaker.

They broke the law first >>
not my problem.

I can't believe no one has said: "You die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

rossatdi:
I can't believe no one has said: "You die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

I am fairly certaint that quote would apply to most who choose that they'd kill murders and rapists, like myself, the people that said they would kill any person that is a criminal to me is all ready a "villain". Sure murdering a murder is really committing a crime as well there does seem to be a bit of a differences. Though they'd have to watch out, any of them that started liking what they did a bit to much would need to stop otherwise end up what they were trying to stop.

Sgt. They're already villains, and most of them even realise it themselves.

After watching Hancock I realised something. I would be neither vigilane or villain. Sure, I'd do what I could to help if I saw a crime happening, but if the police want more help than that they're going to have to pay me. I'm not a mercenary, in any sense, but I need to eat too, I need a place to sleep. If I'm employed by the police (or some other law enforcement agency) I don't have to worry about being hunted by them either, or keeping my identity too much of a secret.

Still wouldn't kill though. Hurt very badly if they did something too bad, like threatening my friends. But no killing. It's wasteful.

Silver:
Sgt. They're already villains, and most of them even realise it themselves.

After watching Hancock I realised something. I would be neither vigilane or villain. Sure, I'd do what I could to help if I saw a crime happening, but if the police want more help than that they're going to have to pay me. I'm not a mercenary, in any sense, but I need to eat too, I need a place to sleep. If I'm employed by the police (or some other law enforcement agency) I don't have to worry about being hunted by them either, or keeping my identity too much of a secret.

Still wouldn't kill though. Hurt very badly if they did something too bad, like threatening my friends. But no killing. It's wasteful.

Yes I do suppose they would be villains, it would be hard to categorize them as an anti-hero as in real life there isn't such a thing. And there is no point trying to hide what they'd be behind the title of vigilantes because by vigilantes are breaking the law by doing what they do, in a twist of irony making the "heroes" themselves law breakers.

You also have a point about having to eat, and well be able to survive, though unlike you I'd rather do it in more of a mercenary fashion.

I do have one question though, how is killing a murderer wasteful? By taking a human life out side of self defense or war, they have become a waste as well, so wouldn't it be more like taking out the trash by removing them?

If you're going to play the hero, then you're responsible to do whatever you think will result in the least loss of lives and the greatest well being of all.
It's the kind of thing that can be debated back and forth all day in virtually any situation.
I think the most important thing is for a hero to have a position on it and stick to it. I think the majority of heroes and people in general would want to avoid killing at all if possible, like spider-man.

...But then again, my personal favorite hero is Venom, so this opinion comes from a fan of the guy who eats peoples brains.

Well i mean, for a start, how could actually bring yourself to take a life, also you really have no right, but i guess in the end there maybe no other choice besides killing, but then you just bring yourself down to the criminals level, so i would say no, but a good near death experience never hurt, well besides the criminal

For a start, Batman never uses a gun, he hates them, secondly what you are refering to is an elseworld batman, not plan olde earth one batman we all know and love

SpikeShinobi:
For a start, Batman never uses a gun, he hates them, secondly what you are refering to is an elseworld batman, not plan olde earth one batman we all know and love

I thought the plain old Batman was the Earth 2 Batman. Wasn't Earth 1 the Golden Age?

Either or Batman actually started out very briefly as a gun wielding killer but that didn't last very long.

Check this out, made me laugh.

For me, Batman is perfectly realised in the 90s cartoon show.

SpikeShinobi:
Well i mean, for a start, how could actually bring yourself to take a life, also you really have no right, but i guess in the end there maybe no other choice besides killing, but then you just bring yourself down to the criminals level, so i would say no, but a good near death experience never hurt, well besides the criminal

I could bring myself to take one maybe not with ease, but thats just because I've been preparing myself for the military for a long, long time, even having a failed attempt at it a year ago (pneumonia isn't something the military wants you to get right as you are entering basic trust me...)and now am prepping to get back in the spring and thats something that may happen while you are in, you can't prepare for what it will do to you or even when it will happen but if you can't bring yourself to do it you better hope the other guy can't either.

Also think of it this way what if they had killed before and you found out the next target was your wife, or child, would you be able to restrain yourself, or would you give into human nature and kill him to save the ones you love? (Purely a Hypothetical Question)

I would... Like this

Ofcourse, my good sir. Actually, it'd probably take me a few minutes before I would be able to do it, but murderers definitely deserve it.

Yes, I would kill all criminals, but only because its easier and I know they'd never commit crimes again.
Besides, I'd probably be committing a few crimes of my own on the side.
I always go for the villain/anti-villain roles. Either go around robbing banks, or killing anyone who sneezes funny. Either I break the law or enforce it with an iron fist. No one is above the law... except me.

Sgt.Looney:

Silver:
Sgt. They're already villains, and most of them even realise it themselves.

After watching Hancock I realised something. I would be neither vigilane or villain. Sure, I'd do what I could to help if I saw a crime happening, but if the police want more help than that they're going to have to pay me. I'm not a mercenary, in any sense, but I need to eat too, I need a place to sleep. If I'm employed by the police (or some other law enforcement agency) I don't have to worry about being hunted by them either, or keeping my identity too much of a secret.

Still wouldn't kill though. Hurt very badly if they did something too bad, like threatening my friends. But no killing. It's wasteful.

Yes I do suppose they would be villains, it would be hard to categorize them as an anti-hero as in real life there isn't such a thing. And there is no point trying to hide what they'd be behind the title of vigilantes because by vigilantes are breaking the law by doing what they do, in a twist of irony making the "heroes" themselves law breakers.

You also have a point about having to eat, and well be able to survive, though unlike you I'd rather do it in more of a mercenary fashion.

I do have one question though, how is killing a murderer wasteful? By taking a human life out side of self defense or war, they have become a waste as well, so wouldn't it be more like taking out the trash by removing them?

What are you talking about categorizing them as anti-heroes? They're villains, pure and simple, either they'd use their powers solely for personal gain, or they'd enfore their own rule over the world. Some of them would even kill for fun. There's nothing anti-hero about that. It's pure villainy.

I'm also curious about how you'd work as a mercenary. Does that mean you'd let anyone hire you? Would you take a job for a military? A private organisation? Would you even go so far as to take a job for a criminal (that may of may not include YOU doing anything illegal)?

A criminal costs society, wether you want to see it as purely monetary (hospital bills for their victims, burial, property damage, etc) or as something more than that (moral decay, lessening the trust in the government, whatever). Just killing a criminal means society as a whole has to pay, instead of the criminal. I don't think a criminal DESERVES to die, before that debt is repayed. I think it is every citizens duty to contribute to the well-being of society, and that's how I'd judge someone a criminal as well. Even if you move within the realms of the law, and exploit people, trick people, or hurt people, you're a criminal. If you break the law by crossing a red light, if you download stuff off the internet, I couldn't care less. If I decided on the vigilante routine (or got employed as an enforcer instead of a police officer by the government) that's what I'd use to judge people. Often the law agrees with me, but in some cases, it doesn't.

Silver:
Still wouldn't kill though. Hurt very badly if they did something too bad, like threatening my friends. But no killing. It's wasteful.

I find that rather admirable, and I do recall hearing something about a correction facility in Scandinavia which has had decent success with the 'treat them like a person' route.

I'm curious, though, about the people who really can't be 'fixed' and remade into productive members of society. Would they then be put out of their misery? Some people are just nuts.

Rehabilitation works for some, I'll give you that. Even if rehabilitation doesn't work, it doesn't keep people from working. Until they have repayed their debt to society, they have, in my eyes, given up every right they may have had earlier. When they have repaid their debt to society, an evaluation would have to be done. If they couldn't be taught to respect their fellow humans, and would keep up their crimes after being released, another solution would have to be thought up. Many prisons, especially in America and countries with similar penal systems seem to have their own society anyway. Build a really huge one for the people who can't be fixed, throw them in their for life, throw away the key, and let them govern themselves. If they want to be completely self-sufficient that's fine, if they want to trade food with us, they'll have to find a way to pay us, by producing goods of some kind for us perhaps.

With Rapists and Murderers I'd probably stump them (removing all limbs) and leave them like that, but still alive. As for actually killing them? I doubt I'd ever go that far, though arguably my other method is more cruel, but it serves them right for perpetuating those heinous crimes.

I already pointed out that were I to become a Super Hero with Superman like abilities...

I would probably do it like Marvel/Miracle Man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracleman

PedroSteckecilo:
I already pointed out that were I to become a Super Hero with Superman like abilities...

I would probably do it like Marvel/Miracle Man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracleman

*Shudder* There's one creepy looking dude. All you'd have to do is smile at them and a criminal would probably go on the straight and narrow. Gah.

Silver:

Sgt.Looney:

Silver:
Sgt. They're already villains, and most of them even realise it themselves.

After watching Hancock I realised something. I would be neither vigilane or villain. Sure, I'd do what I could to help if I saw a crime happening, but if the police want more help than that they're going to have to pay me. I'm not a mercenary, in any sense, but I need to eat too, I need a place to sleep. If I'm employed by the police (or some other law enforcement agency) I don't have to worry about being hunted by them either, or keeping my identity too much of a secret.

Still wouldn't kill though. Hurt very badly if they did something too bad, like threatening my friends. But no killing. It's wasteful.

Yes I do suppose they would be villains, it would be hard to categorize them as an anti-hero as in real life there isn't such a thing. And there is no point trying to hide what they'd be behind the title of vigilantes because by vigilantes are breaking the law by doing what they do, in a twist of irony making the "heroes" themselves law breakers.

You also have a point about having to eat, and well be able to survive, though unlike you I'd rather do it in more of a mercenary fashion.

I do have one question though, how is killing a murderer wasteful? By taking a human life out side of self defense or war, they have become a waste as well, so wouldn't it be more like taking out the trash by removing them?

What are you talking about categorizing them as anti-heroes? They're villains, pure and simple, either they'd use their powers solely for personal gain, or they'd enfore their own rule over the world. Some of them would even kill for fun. There's nothing anti-hero about that. It's pure villainy.

I'm also curious about how you'd work as a mercenary. Does that mean you'd let anyone hire you? Would you take a job for a military? A private organisation? Would you even go so far as to take a job for a criminal (that may of may not include YOU doing anything illegal)?

A criminal costs society, wether you want to see it as purely monetary (hospital bills for their victims, burial, property damage, etc) or as something more than that (moral decay, lessening the trust in the government, whatever). Just killing a criminal means society as a whole has to pay, instead of the criminal. I don't think a criminal DESERVES to die, before that debt is repayed. I think it is every citizens duty to contribute to the well-being of society, and that's how I'd judge someone a criminal as well. Even if you move within the realms of the law, and exploit people, trick people, or hurt people, you're a criminal. If you break the law by crossing a red light, if you download stuff off the internet, I couldn't care less. If I decided on the vigilante routine (or got employed as an enforcer instead of a police officer by the government) that's what I'd use to judge people. Often the law agrees with me, but in some cases, it doesn't.

I was saying that the "heroes" that kill of every brand of criminal wouldn't be able to be classified as an anti-hero.

If I were a Hero/Anti-Hero/Villain that does good, Merc I would work for the military, the government and certaint Private Corperations but even as a Merc, I'd have to look into the Corperation before working for them, heck I'd even look into the jobs I'm doing for the feds. I have a sense of honor and pride, sure they may be twisted but I do have them, so I'd probably pick and choose a lot, and as part of the honor and pride thing I wouldn't work for criminals regardless of the job.

I respect your view on how criminals should be dealt with, I just don't see the need in wasting all the money on ones that rape and murder.

You're not reading, are you? In what way would I waste money on rapists or murderers? I believe they should repay their debt to society, that includes any resources spent on keeping them from doing more harm.

A lot of variables.

It depends if I'm powered or not. I'm pretty sure I'd eventually dehumanize if I had awesome powers and end up killing accidentally/apathetically.

Eg. "Oops" after shattering a human skull with a punch.

If I wasn't powered, I would avoid killing (rubber bullets and less lethal stuff) but I would accept that someone may die, kill if it meant my life or an innocents.

I would carry lots of gadgets, even if I had powers though.

Silver:
You're not reading, are you? In what way would I waste money on rapists or murderers? I believe they should repay their debt to society, that includes any resources spent on keeping them from doing more harm.

You have to waste money on them in order for them to repay their debt to society, you can't have them be taken care of by the government with out it costing people money, and you would always have to have something for them to live in, and food for them to eat. You say you want them to repay their debts but have you thought of how they would do that? What exactly would they do to repay their debts, there is no proper way for them to repay the life of a human, nor is there away for them to remove the mental damage caused by a rape.

I'd kill only to save a life... well, 'innocent' life, at least. I wouldn't personally kill a villain (well, perhaps repeat offenders, like The Joker), but if they needed help, I would let them rot.

Sgt.Looney:

Silver:
You're not reading, are you? In what way would I waste money on rapists or murderers? I believe they should repay their debt to society, that includes any resources spent on keeping them from doing more harm.

You have to waste money on them in order for them to repay their debt to society, you can't have them be taken care of by the government with out it costing people money, and you would always have to have something for them to live in, and food for them to eat. You say you want them to repay their debts but have you thought of how they would do that? What exactly would they do to repay their debts, there is no proper way for them to repay the life of a human, nor is there away for them to remove the mental damage caused by a rape.

Then they'll have to work to pay off the cost to keep them locked up, and they'll have to keep working until they either find a way to repay the life of a human, or the mental daage caused by rape, or fail in doing so by dying. The easy parts will be done first, property damage, medical bills, psychology bills, living quarters, guard payment, etc. After that's taken care off, they'll have to start making amends to the victim, until such time as the victim deems him/herself repaid. This would of course be on the victims terms, as well.

You betcha!

The means don't seem to justify the end, what would you do if they refused to work? How would you get society to accept this plan and want to move forward with it, there seem to be to many what ifs with them dead you don't have to worry about bureaucracy fumbling about.

I would kill drug dealers, rapists and murderers, and well anyone I couldn't reform to be a functioning member of society, or anyone who disagrees with my methods, or those who mocked me or stood in my way. You know what, I would make a better super-villain. I would kill for no reason at all.

I wouldn't trust myself with super powers. I know me, and I know that I'd end using the Rorschach method to criminal deterrence...

darthsmily:
Im pretty sure Batman doesn't kill is because that is the only thing seperating him from the people he's after. Correct me if I'm wrong, though.

Pretty much, he always struck me as a psychotic thug with morals getting rid of psychotic thugs without morals.