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Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2997 Joined: 13 Aug 2008     | Calling the ads pompous is like calling Asia big. It's an epic understatement. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1830 Joined: 20 Mar 2008    |
Irony? Do tell. Though granted, better might not have been the right word. More specific, perhaps. Okay, everyone else is doing it. That's nice. Why is everyone doing it?
No, I knew about that, but here's the thing: Damn near everyone uses Windows. Why would you take the time to write a virus for a system that few of us use? Secondly, the article suggests anti-spyware not to protect against pre-existing viruses, but to help protect against anything that might be made in the future,
Moreover, though it's a good idea to run several antivirus programs, it's not next to mandatory as with the predicament for Windows. And third, you're missing the point of what I was trying to say in my first post.
The fact that it has pretty much anything you'd need for editing and artwork pre-installed on the mac (including a built-in camera); that it doesn't freeze nearly as often as Windows (or at all, in my case); the whole business with the viruses; that I can run either OS on a Mac, freeing up entertainment choices; that it runs Microsoft Office (though I use NeoOffice anyway). Just to name a few. Again, however, missing the point.
You seem to be barking up the wrong tree here. I'm not trying to say which side is better, or who is trying to do what to who. I'm just saying that I like Mac's to-the-point "Look what I can do" style of advertising better than to Microsoft's "We're all PCs" advert. I'm not trying to convert anyone here, and I really wasn't going into superiorities of either side in my first post anyway. Both sides have pros and cons, and it's just a matter of choice. Just because someone doesn't agree on the quality of advertising doesn't mean they're trying to burn down the other side's rose garden. I don't give a damn about the OS competition. I just like the way Mac makes their commercials more, and part of that is from trained bias. The commercial isn't influencing my opinion on which one to buy, and it's not making me laud/loathe one side or another. I'm just stating an opinion on your original subject. Sheesh, not even here can someone make a contrary statement without getting a cattle prod shoved up their arse. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1578 Joined: 4 Sep 2008  |
*Raises hand* OOH OOH!!! I KNOW!!! PICK ME!!!!
Refer to my previous post as to why this is ironic. If you're too lazy to go back and look (like you're maybe too lazy to take time to learn to use a computer) I'll spell it out. MACS ARE A FAD!!! People (and by people, I mean college kids who have never used one in their lives who bought one as their laptop) only buy Macs because these ads make them cool. The advertisements work extremely well, considering their purpose: To make PCs seem uncool. Macs are 'whats in' right now. Better? |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1830 Joined: 20 Mar 2008 |
*points to the bottom part of previous post, sips tea, ruffles newspaper and walks away* Try to, you know, read the entire post before you go blathering on about things, alright? Alright. Oh, and I'm not lazy enough to not learn how to use a computer. Unless, you know, my scratch-built gaming computer was poofed into existence by fairies. |
BANNED Posts: 4378 Joined: 21 Aug 2008 | I apologize; I must have misconstrued what you were saying in respect to Microsoft and it's marketing. Although it seems you're misconstruing what Microsoft's advertisements set out to do. You can't fault it (as you initially were) for not doing something Microsoft never intended for it to do anyway.
Mac OS X comes with very amateur editing and content creation suite that is easily surpassed with freely available software (on both Mac OS X and Windows). Outside of hipster "artists," it really isn't an advantage for the OS X; it's just more bloatware on my studio Mac Pro. And if Windows is freezing often for you, then you're doing something very wrong. I've built dozens of Vista machines in the last year and...they're all running beautifully. Maybe I'm just really lucky? Modern Windows machines don't get bogged down by respectable AV software. I wish I could say the same for Mac programs like Digital Performer and even Logic Pro. Why is it that my quad core/4GB Vista computer is far more responsive than my octo-core/16GB Mac Pro? And the rest isn't really advantages for OS X. Just more reason why Apple can't live without Microsoft. User was banned for: Microsoft and the World Domination of Gaming&Communication. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1578 Joined: 4 Sep 2008 |
Do it everytime. The problem is that the end your last post has nothing to do with why Macs aren't a fad and you don't see the irony in your post. I'll quote and address each part of the post I plan on responding to, thank you very much.
Sorry, the camera I have in your house stopped working some time ago so I haven't been able to keep up with your personal life and what you've built for a while now. I'll be sure to update it next time I'm nearby. |
Muckraker  Posts: 262 Joined: 5 Nov 2008    | I honestly can't stand Mac ads, or anything Apple advertises in general. Apple sells mainly to consumers who are looking for style over quality. "Oh look, our monitor and computer is in ONE CASE! Isn't that neat?!" No, it's a gimmick. Ever tried upgrading a Mac? Have fun getting around that screen, buddy. Sure, Macs aren't terrible, they're just not as good as they're made out to be, and they do have their advantages (less viruses, slightly more stable OS). But really, I'm out to get the best out of my system, and I'm simply not going to be doing anything crazy with a Mac. The Mac commercials exaggerate Windows' faults above and beyond what they actually are. Hell, the only problem I've encountered on my Vista machine is a slight issue with compatibility, that can easily be solved by changing one property of the program. P.S. iPods aren't cool, end of story. It's a hard drive with music playing software and a fancy name slapped on. Any other MP3 player on Earth does the same damn thing, so why spend bundles of money on a name? |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1668 Joined: 10 Sep 2008     | I though they were genuinly funny until they started getting silly. ..umm the main reason I bought a PC was so I could keep it up to date easily if I so choose :S but some of the earlier ones were definately funny, and brilliant marketing. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1830 Joined: 20 Mar 2008 |
Looking back I do agree with you there. That would be my bad.
Yes, please do. And be sure watch out for Fluffy, you know how he is about strangers with cameras. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 871 Joined: 20 Dec 2007    | The only thing that the Mac commercials have made me do is hate Justin Long. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1578 Joined: 4 Sep 2008 |
^^^ The reason I love the Escapist. Any flame war is resolved over time by people agreeing to disagree. (I still miss you all... RIP Shivari, Juandonde, TaxiDriver...) |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1830 Joined: 20 Mar 2008 |
It's alright, internet folks get so worked up over consoles that sometimes anything sounds like a challenge. I've done the same thing as you. And yes, I do see your point with Microsoft's premise here.
Yeah, those were just half-assed ripped from the commerials, just to show that Mac makes a show of why you should buy theirs, whether it's actually better or not. I was more focused on the style of the advertising rather than the content anyway, as we've come to realize. |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 871 Joined: 20 Dec 2007 |
Shivari? She left the Escapist? |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1578 Joined: 4 Sep 2008 |
Haven't seen her around for months. Maybe I'm just not looking at threads she is though. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 116 Joined: 18 Dec 2008  | Meh. Everyone in my household and almost everybody I know owns a Mac. I use my Macbook for Adobe Creative suite and my Powerbook G4 for Final Cut Pro 4. The Mac ads, while amusing the FIRST time they were shown, are now just pretentious and annoying. Yes, buy a Mac. No, don't act like a douche. There, I have already outdone the advertisements. That also goes for the 'spin-off' PC ads. I mean, you don't combat the douche by becoming a douche. In the end, though, it just comes down to personal preference of the OS. Kudos to Linux for not giving a shit. |
BANNED Posts: 4378 Joined: 21 Aug 2008 | Yeah, let's talk about all the attacks on Apple the Microsoft spin-off advertisements have mounted. User was banned for: Microsoft and the World Domination of Gaming&Communication. (Permanent) |
Muckraker Posts: 262 Joined: 5 Nov 2008 |
I'm all over it. The one I've seen gets on my nerves, too. I realize it was just a counter to Apple's ads, but Microsoft seems to have taken a "HAHA, I'M POPULAR TOO, SO PROVE ME WRONG" approach. I honestly don't care if Hank the plumber likes PCs better than Macs. How about giving me some facts to go off of? |
BANNED Posts: 4378 Joined: 21 Aug 2008 |
You're completely missing the point of these ads. And the approach isn't "I'm popular too." User was banned for: Microsoft and the World Domination of Gaming&Communication. (Permanent) |
Muckraker Posts: 262 Joined: 5 Nov 2008 |
Honestly, that's just what I got out of it. They made it seem like PCs are the best, because a lot of people use them, but of course, I could very possibly be dead wrong. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3364 Joined: 23 Oct 2007    |
Just for the record, it's: That clears all folders without any confirmation prompts. |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 731 Joined: 12 Dec 2007    |
The new PC ads were basically starting off with the enrdy guy saying "I'm a PC", then it went through a whole bunch of other people saying "I'm a PC, and this is my office", ranging from out on the ocean to open markets and everywhere else. I thought it was a nice riposte to the Mac ads. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2380 Joined: 29 Oct 2008    | I like both but I only own a PC. Thing is, I'm not just a gamer, I'm a musician and own a lot of recording equipment. PCs are better for gaming but MACs are better for like... everything else, really. I don't particularly want one but I don't have a personal vendetta against them. I hate the way the PC-owner is portraid in the MAC adverts but to be fair the new PC adverts are pretty funny :P So it doesn't bother me that much. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2194 Joined: 10 Jul 2004   |
My point exactly. It's really personal preference. I prefer this bundle of softwares over what AVID and Adobe have to offer. I use all three quite a bit to make a sound decision, and it just so happens FCS2 appealed to me more because of its interface and cost. I still have Vista installed on my Mac Pro, and sure it has its flaws, but so does OS X. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1870 Joined: 13 Oct 2008  | Mac:ima mac PCs represent part of a user. like a car. whilst macs are basicly SmartCar for 2's. they look cool and can do most day to day stuff but at the end of the day, they didnt exactly destroy all other cars, did they? and sorry to all fellow gen Yers. but with all the "corey worthington" style flak we get from the media already i didnt think you would mind. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1578 Joined: 4 Sep 2008 |
Really? I was told it worked either way. Whatever, as long as it clears everything I'm happy. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 132 Joined: 9 Oct 2008   |
Okay, this little run of hypocritical condescension kinda took the cake for me. First off, plenty of us mac users are quite aware of Unix commands and how to use them(though there is definitely a set that do not). This command, by itself, will not perform the horrible action you desire. It will simply erase all the files in the current directory(if you have proper file permissions for those files). The correct set of commands are cd / or more specifically, on mac, you open the terminal while logged in as an administrator with permission to sudo to root. Then you would enter the commands cd / This does a forced erasure of all files and directories starting at the root directory and doing so as the root user(which is a higher level of privilege than even the administrator, and you will have to enter a password to complete the action). The reason this permanently bricks a machine is that the firmware is also a directory(/dev) from the root directory, as fair as the Unix operating system is concerned, and root has access to those firmware directories. So, this command will delete the firmware from the machine for every device, including the CPU, motherboard chipset, GPU, harddrive chips, DVD/CD-ROM drive chips, etc(the next time you are on a Unix machine, take a glance at the /dev directory). Actually doing this to someone's machine is not a practical joke; it's a serious act of vandalism because the machine is a literal brick at that point. If you are such a small person that you would actually do this to someone's mac just because you can't stand the unjustifiable smugness of a select few, then you prove that you are much less a person than they are. NEVER, EVER, EVER DO THIS!! Edit: Had to add admonishment at the end. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1578 Joined: 4 Sep 2008 |
Well in all seriousness I was totally kidding. With the way computers (especially Macs) are priced nowadays, I would never ever dream of doing this to someone. Way to go Mr. Literal. As to my 'hypocritical condescension': I wasn't referring to you at all. See, the thing you don't realize is that people nowadays buy Macs because they are Macs. Not because they know what makes a Mac different from a PC. That was who I was referring to; The people I went to high school with who had never heard of a Mac before last year and then bought one. The people who have absolutely no idea whatsoever what Unix is. Those people are who I was referring to as 'hip Mac users'. You obviously know a thing or two about Macs because you know how to use Unix. These people I am referring to have no clue whatsoever. Don't try to lump yourself into the mix because you want to pick a fight. Believe me, I've won. Macs are, indeed, a fad nowadays. To those of you, like you and my grandparents, who have used Macs for years: kudos to you. You are in no way better than us PC users at all. To those of you who bought a Mac because these ads told you that Macs are so much better than Vista and all PC products and don't get viruses ever, way to go. Apple basically lied out their asses to get you to buy their product and you know what? It worked!!! Look, I never, ever, said that I was in any way shape or form, better than any Mac user. You all assumed that I did because I don't use your OS. You know what? I'm too lazy to learn how to use a Mac because a PC can do everything a Mac can. What's the point in learning a new OS if mine can do the exact same shit as yours? Oh? Whats that? Yeah, ok. I can't take my PC out of the box and do everything yours can immediately. I don't care though. PC = Mac = Linux NONE IS BETTER THAN THE OTHER!!! IT IS ALL PERSONAL PREFERENCE!!!! |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2722 Joined: 26 Jun 2008  | They're just annoying now. I like my PC. SO what if their are viruses, as long as you're smart you can avoid them. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 796 Joined: 6 Dec 2007   |
I'm curious, seeing as I don't really know a lot of Unix stuff. (Windows and Linux works for me just fine) To what extent is the Mac bricked after this command. You mention firmware being erased. Is it not possible to install that again? I'm in no way trying to mixed up in all af this, but I would like to know. Is it really completely bricked forever and ever (or at least an almost equivalent degree) or is it possible for a user to salvage the wreckage? Edit: Oh, the hell with it. i might as well say my piece. I don't really like Mac. I'm sure it's an okay computer but I don't want one. The times I've tried them and had to work on them I've felt constrained. It seemed I had very little freedom. But that may just be me, so anyone should go ahead and get one if they feel like it. I just never will. |
Beat Writer Posts: 132 Joined: 9 Oct 2008 |
As I understand it, it's bricked. It takes a factory reinstall to get the system to work again. And I would like to give an apology to Gxas in that I reacted poorly. I let some of the other comments on this thread rile me. To the haters, yes, there are some serious asshole mac users, but there are also some serious asshole PC users. Yes, there are some idiot mac users, but there are also some idiot PC users. Macs have their advantages and disadvantages; PCs have their advantages and disadvantages. As a mac user, I fully agree that macs are not the top-end when it comes to gaming, but, with the introduction of the intel macs, they are not that bad either(in fact, they are usually good enough such that other factors come into play in the buying decision). While macs are not as much a target for viruses, trojans, or malware, they are not invulnerable(though it is debatable that they may be marginally more difficult to infect due to the way permissions are handled). Even with a mac, one should have a good firewall(properly configured and updated), a good anti-virus(properly configured and updated), keep the OS updated with fixes, and use good user practice. This is simple general computer literacy and usage. For some, these things are obvious and easy, but for others, they're not. However, those for whom it is not obvious are not automatically idiots just because they can't do something you can do. It is not reasonable to expect everyone that uses a computer(be it Mac or Windows) to be an expert in technology(however, it is very likely most Linux users ARE technology experts), just the same as not everyone that drives a car knows how to take it apart and put it back together again. There will always be those who choose a machine and, yet, understand very little about its operation and use. If this were not true, services such as The Geek Squad would not have a market such as they do. Technology is very complex and most of it is crap, in my opinion(including my mac). The choice comes down to the trade-off of what crap you can stand and what crap you can't stand. When things break you pay a cost, no matter what. The cost may be in your own time and effort to fix it yourself, or the cost may be in your money to have someone else fix the machine or to replace it. The choice comes down to personal values--which do you find more valuable, your time or your money? |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3310 Joined: 10 Oct 2008  | Mac ads suck and I want to kick the Mac guys ass. I could to because he looks like some skinny ass snide, snobby, Gap wearing geek who needs an ass whipping. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3364 Joined: 23 Oct 2007 |
Must try that command out properly on my Linux test system, although I reckon in the case of Linux, and that machine, that it would only need a re-installation in order to work. I could also do it on a virtual machine, but that doesn't have any firmware, and would only lead to the equivalent of a "format c:". I'm pretty sure that most firmware is in ROM for that very reason. BIOS memory is on flash ROM, as is some of the firmware on a modern graphics card, but I'll be using a test system with a 4MB ATI Rage 3D, so no flash firmware there. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2142 Joined: 23 Dec 2007   | I like the way microsoft almost had a direct response of "I'm a pc (scene switches to giant boxer) Got a problem with that?" |
Paperboy  Posts: 16 Joined: 16 Dec 2008   | Would it not be funny to go into a big retail store like best buy in the computer department And yell really loud at people looking at macs Saying MACS SUCK!!!!!!! |
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I really hope someone else can see the irony here.
For someone who says they were born with Safari in their hand, you don't know a lot about Mac OS X.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2242
Outside of personal preference, what valid points has Apple's advertising made to you?
You're not realizing that Microsoft isn't here to try and win the OS competition.
They already have.
And it's not just about marketshare when it comes to being a tech winner and a hero...Just look at the iPhone.
Strange, it says Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync...Not Macintosh OS XChange AppleSync :p