laikenf: I hope you were jocking, cause I laughed my ass off with this post (especially the cover for that one. If you like Justin Timberlake good for you (I'll give you points for tolerance) but I'll pass, I had quite enough of the Timbster during the N'sync years and yes, beyond. But you know what? let ME recommend something to you: Try "Dirty Mind" by Prince; try "Casa Babylon" by Mano Negra; try "Pills, Thrills and Bellyaches" by Happy Mondays; but most of all try not to put peoples taste in music down, it makes you look bad because the bottom line is that Futuresex/Lovesounds is not even that great of an album (even compared to others of the same genre).
I'll check out the latter two when I return to my apartment (I'm already a huge Prince fan), but you would be very foolish to think that about FS/LS; I haven't heard pop music with such multifaceted nuance as found in FS/LS in a *very* long time. It blows the doors off of Justified, which used to be my metric for excellent modern pop music.
ygetoff: the problem inherit here is that rock has so many subgenres that it is very hard to lump it into one sound. I don't see what's so wrong with liking rock, or any music in general. I can appreciate hip-hop, r&b, folk, whatever, as long as it's good. Limiting oneself to one genre isn't a good thing.
Eggo: The problem inherent here is that you don't understand the concept of a rockist. You could be a rockist about 19th century Western classical music or Caribbean dancehall jams.
It clearly states rockism being the "hate" of popular music. So no, you are wrong. The music you stated is neither popular or "good" in our pop-culture. That isn't to say that others don't like it. If it does become that of which I just stated, looks like I would be a rockist.
You would do yourself a service to read the article:
Interestingly, it is not entirely rockist to love rock, or to write about it. One may also care about R&B or norteņo or bubble gum pop, but discuss them in a rockist way. The idea is built into the way people talk informally about what kinds of popular music interest them.
POPULAR. What you said is not popular. Being a rockist is hating popular music. What don't you understand?
TylerC: Took the image out to reduce post size, but I'm sorry, are you male or female?
I'm a male who enjoys the intimate company of beautiful females; is there a problem with that?
ygetoff: the problem inherit here is that rock has so many subgenres that it is very hard to lump it into one sound. I don't see what's so wrong with liking rock, or any music in general. I can appreciate hip-hop, r&b, folk, whatever, as long as it's good. Limiting oneself to one genre isn't a good thing.
The problem inherent here is that you don't understand the concept of a rockist. You could be a rockist about 19th century Western classical music or Caribbean dancehall jams.
im sorry, i didnt see the post explaining the concept until just after i clicked "post" and you know, i really wouldnt mind your correction if you were just a bit less nasty about it,
TylerC: POPULAR. What you said is not popular. Being a rockist is hating popular music. What don't you understand?
Err, rock and even the most obscure Norwegian death metal are both popular music. There is more than one way to define what is popular music is, and in the case of musicological phenomena such as rockism, the term "popular music" has to do more with what sort of people listen to the music and not how many people listen to the music.
TylerC: POPULAR. What you said is not popular. Being a rockist is hating popular music. What don't you understand?
Err, rock and even the most obscure Norwegian death metal are both popular music. There is more than one way to define what is popular music is, and in the case of musicological phenomena such as rockism, the term "popular music" has to do more with what sort of people listen to the music and not how many people listen to the music.
Popular usually means how many. If it was what, every music ever made would be popular in a sense because people have heard it. Do you know what rock is? Almost everything including metal. It's such a bunched up category that you can't really say that, "I hate rock," or "I love rock," you just can't do that.
Now let's end this silly argument.
Four Year Strong Rise Or Die Trying Pop Punk/Hardcore Rating 8/10 Great listen. It's a mixture that's between pop and hardcore that really works out well. Eggo, you might like it.
Alrighty, we got this whole "rockist" BS squared away! Onto another recommendation:
Lily Allen Alright, Still July 14, 2006 Alt pop, with the occasional hint of ska 4.5 out of 5
Lily's got a charmingly sweet voice and catchy tunes that contrast wonderfully with her biting, often mean-spirited lyrics. Personal faves are the smash singles "Smile" and "Alfie", as well as the mournful "Littlest Things" and the groovy "Everything's Just Wonderful".
In an (I suspect vein) attempt to drag this back on topic:
Artist: The Go! Team Album: Proof of Youth Year: 2007 Rating: 9/10 Why: Second album may not *quite* be up to the original pressing of the first but it's still a joyful experience from start to finish. Loaded with old skool beats and cheerleader chants if it fails to make you dance or smile then you have no soul.
Myrddin Emrys: Band: Kamelot Album: Ghost Opera Release Date: June 5, 2007 Genre: Power/Symphonic Metal Rating (1-10): 9/10
Kamelot is one of metal's most unique, influential, and prestigious acts to come along in decades. Their music is amazing ranging from their vocals to keyboards. Wide variety in range of songs on the album, and a few guest appearances, the most notable being Simone Simons from Epica. I wish I could describe this better, but it is too much for me to contain in words, to be honest.
This would be a good choice for them, since you unfortunately can't call Epica and The Black Halo all one album, even though they're two pieces of the same story.
Anonymouse: Yeah because Disturbed, Gobsmack, Metallica, Slipknot, System and a whole bunch of other music from different genres that get lumped into "rock" are much worse then justin timberlake who is a child molesting moron who does not even write his own music, rappers who are honestly the trash of the music world or any of the disney mass produced bitches who get more sales from raising their skirts a few inches per album. So tell me. How many hours a day do you "guys" spend in front of the mirror worrying about your wrinkles and piling tonnes of crap into your hair.
You can be a rockist about music which isn't rock.
Look, you're doing it right now! Good boy :)
Here's another album!
Band: CunninLynguists Album: Dirty Acres Release Date: 2007 Genre: Southern hip hop Rating: 10/10 Why: Because nearly all Southern hip hop does the mind, body, and soul good and especially fantastic Southern hip hop does the mind, body, and soul even better.
Pah, any true hip-hop fan would tell you that Cunninlynguists' best album is Piece Of Strange.
JaguarWong: In an (I suspect vein) attempt to drag this back on topic:
Artist: The Go! Team Album: Proof of Youth Year: 2007 Rating: 9/10 Why: Second album may not *quite* be up to the original pressing of the first but it's still a joyful experience from start to finish. Loaded with old skool beats and cheerleader chants if it fails to make you dance or smile then you have no soul.
Does that have a track featuring Chuck D on it or did I imagine it? I'm not a fan of The Go! Team but I would get that album just for that one track. If it exists.
Does that have a track featuring Chuck D on it or did I imagine it? I'm not a fan of The Go! Team but I would get that album just for that one track. If it exists.
j-e-f-f-e-r-s: Pah, any true hip-hop fan would tell you that Cunninlynguists' best album is Piece Of Strange.
...see kids, isn't elitism fun?
I agree completely! But do you really think these children could enjoy a truly great hip hop album right off the bat? You need to gently wean them off the teat of rockism first with hip hop that isn't full on awesome.
Usually, certainly, but this discussion is musicological. And so you should use the musicological definitions.
If it was what, every music ever made would be popular in a sense because people have heard it.
Nearly all music in the modern era is popular music. And then you have art music.
Do you know what rock is? Almost everything including metal. It's such a bunched up category that you can't really say that, "I hate rock," or "I love rock," you just can't do that.
Plenty of people do that in this forum (and everywhere else). But that's besides the point; being a rockist has nothing to do with loving rock music.
Does that have a track featuring Chuck D on it or did I imagine it? I'm not a fan of The Go! Team but I would get that album just for that one track. If it exists.
Yup - That track is called 'Keys to the City'.
Cool, I'll give it a listen. Might give The Go! Teams first album another go as well.
Well they don't look like JMT fans at all. But I take it you like them, which is good. In a similar vien I forgot to mention Army Of The Pharoahs as well, but I've got a feeling their last album was in 07, still if you're not familiar with them then they're well worth checking out.
Brave New World Iron Maiden 2000 Heavy/power Metal 9/10 Architypical Maiden, IMHO a FAR better album than Number. My only gripe is that the songs are a touch too lengthy for regular listening, namely Dream of Mirrors and Thin Line Between Love and Hate.
Aqualung Jethro Tull 1971 Progressive Rock 9/10 Aqualung is perhaps the best known Tull album, just ahead of Thick as a Brick. The album is mostly acoustic, with a mix of full length tracks as well as a few quick bridges, Cheap Day Return, Slipstream and Wondering Aloud being no more than 2 minutes. The first half/side of the album has the title track, with it's rough riffs sliding into something a bit faster as well as a few more laidback tracks, while the second delves into the idea of "Pro God, Anti-Church", notably with the songs My God and Wind up. It doesn't quite get into the prancing-in-the-forest folksy flute of Songs from the Wood and other albums. Be sure to check out their rendition of Bouree in G by Bach in a more blues/jazz mode.
Notable Songs Black Hole Song Spoonman (as seen in Rockband)
Grunge (the genre) started the modern day alternative and angsty rock, although grunge was created after the fission between rock and metal. Alot of people would atribute Nirvana to making grunge, but kick them in the balls because they actually killed it.
The powerhouse performance of Chris Cornell (singer also in AudioSlave and his individual project Euphoria Morning) is what brings it together although the guitarist is nice, the essence of grunge was to blend all the instruments together and not have the guitar to be the shining star of importance in the songs.
Other albums by Soundgarden include Down on the Upside, and BadMotorFinger
PAIN Psalms of Extinction 2007 Industrial Metal 9.25/10 It's unfortunate that Peter Tagtgren's side project PAIN is so unknown, because he consistently creates some fantastic industrial metal. Psalms of Extinction is perhaps the most consistent PAIN album yet; every song is great and there's a lot of variety in the sound. It's slower than the other PAIN albums, and it feels more electronic to boot. My favorite songs include Does it Really Matter, Bottle's Nest, and Computer God. If you're into heavy metal with a major infusion of electronic sound, Psalms of Extinction may just be the album for you.
Brave New World Iron Maiden 2000 Heavy/power Metal 9/10 Architypical Maiden, IMHO a FAR better album than Number. My only gripe is that the songs are a touch too lengthy for regular listening, namely Dream of Mirrors and Thin Line Between Love and Hate.
Aqualung Jethro Tull 1971 Progressive Rock 9/10 Aqualung is perhaps the best known Tull album, just ahead of Thick as a Brick. The album is mostly acoustic, with a mix of full length tracks as well as a few quick bridges, Cheap Day Return, Slipstream and Wondering Aloud being no more than 2 minutes. The first half/side of the album has the title track, with it's rough riffs sliding into something a bit faster as well as a few more laidback tracks, while the second delves into the idea of "Pro God, Anti-Church", notably with the songs My God and Wind up. It doesn't quite get into the prancing-in-the-forest folksy flute of Songs from the Wood and other albums. Be sure to check out their rendition of Bouree in G by Bach in a more blues/jazz mode.
Cake Fashion Nugget 1996 Whatever fucking genre 10/10 (surely its a bit pointless, as its a recommendation?)
Great guitars, amazing bass playing, brilliant trumpet lines, and probably some of the best lyrics ever written, not absolutely pointless ones that are featured in metal. And a great cover of I will Survive.
Why all the hate on Mr. Timberlake? He's definetly not the worst thing about music today, in fact, he's probably one of the few mainstream artists who I don't want to lobatomize. You guys are crazt. Leave Eggo be, he's more badass than any of ye shall ever dream of being.
Anyways, a new installment.
Fall Out Boy "Infinity On High" 2007 Pop-Punk/Indie Rock 10
Best work from a band who is hated by every metalhead, punk, and 'real' music fan because of their popularity. If you sit back, forget who they are, and listen to their music, you'll find they make better pop-rock than about any other band around. Catchy tunes, a soulful voice from Pat Stump, and fun songs are a staple. Also they have a very varied sound, and it you don't think so then you are simply stuck up your own ass. I'm not one of their droning fangirls which earn them such hate, but I'm definetly a fan of theirs regardless.
Outkast "Stankonia" 2000 Hip Hop/R&B/Rap 10
Personally, I feel this is Outkast's best album. The one that sent them into the stratosphere of music, they became world famous after its release. Recorded back when Andre 3000 was still rapping and dressing like a drag-queen left alone in a costume shop, I feel they peaked here. Amazing production, timeless songs ("Bombs Over Baghdad", "Ms. Jackson", "So Fresh, So Clean") and some of the best rapping to ever come out of Atlanta, the south, and Hip Hop period. I love this album.
Suicide Silence "The Cleansing" 2007 Deathcore/Death Metal 9
In the area of heavy bands, Suicide Silence is one of my definite favorites. Their vocalist is probably my favorite in the genre, their guitar work is, while sometimes uncreative, simply brutal. Thrashing riffs played at high speeds and low-tuned. Their drummer is a beast, and the overall atmosphere of the music is not the typical death metal depressing as it is furious and biting. Stand out songs are "Bludgeoned To Death", "No Pity For A Coward", "The Price of Beauty", and "Unanswered".
Band:Radiohead Released 07/08 Genre:Alternative Rating:10/10 This is Radiohead's return to form. It is more conventional guitar-bass-drums-Piano(sometimes) rock music, the only exception being All I Need. It was Released last year, I I still can't get over how great it is. Best Tracks:All I Need, Jigsaw Falling Into Place,Videotape
Grunge (the genre) started the modern day alternative and angsty rock, although grunge was created after the fission between rock and metal. Alot of people would atribute Nirvana to making grunge, but kick them in the balls because they actually killed it.
Yes, because grunge was actually forged by none other than Neil Young.
Name: Soft Bulletin Band: Flaming Lips Released: 1999 Genre: Indie/Alternative Rating: 9/10 Everything Questionable Content says about this album is true, hilariously happy and creative lyrics mixed with very 'outthere' guitar. I always play the first song, 'Race for the Prize' whenever I'm down, just so encouraging.
And if we're allowed greatest hits albums: Name: Money for Nothing Band: Dire Straits Released: 1988 Genre: Rock Rating: 9/10 God bless Dire Straits, and this collection is, although not complete in my mind, is definitely worth a listen if you enjoy old rock in any way.
Band: Why? Album: Alopecia Release: 3/08 Genre: Hip hop? I guess, I don't know, wikipedia tells me this style doesn't really exist or something. Rating: 9.5/10
I'm not sure what to classify this as, Amazon considers it "Experimental Rap" and that's not a bad name I suppose. Instead of the sound bytes that usually dominate the music, the musicians actually play instruments, and the singer will also sing at times, which he is pretty good at. As a comparison, imagine if Eminem used more subtle references to horrible things and had a voice that you could listen to for more than a few seconds. That's a little like this, but they also did some very out there experimental compositions, namely "Songs of the Sad Assassin," a song that gives me chills and is about the perfect example of lyrics that sound just plain musical. They're not meaningless per se but they are there more to complement the music with a voice than to tell the odd story that they tell. What I will say is if you don't like crude imagery then you probably won't like this, but even some of the things he says that are foul still jibe well with me when I'm just relaxing to the songs.
It's hard to recommend this to a single crowd but I think everyone should give it a shot. They are an amazingly talented group that has a unique and unclassifiable sound and aren't afraid to put out something that isn't safe and bland. I will say it's not for everyone, but I think almost everyone can find at least one thing they will like on this album.
Yes, because grunge was actually forged by none other than Neil Young.
Correct I might as well break it down on why Nirvana gets the credit. Grunge Started in Canada (the best thing to come out of there since socialism) Then Seattle (which is next to Canada) caught it and the four big bands of grunge came out soon. These included NIN and SoundGarden but Nirvana's ugly head comes from the UK and shines out these four bands, then they take these grungy elements as a "tribute" (and completely ruining it with lengthy guitar solos by the way) and kill themselves leaving no one to carry on the legend. which is why I hate Nirvana.
Completely off topic, but its nice to know some history.
Band: Jimi Hendrix/ The Jimi Hendrix Experience (tracks from multiple parts of his career) Album: The Jimi Hendrix Experience Release date: Dunno. It's a compilation album made from recordings of him at woodstock, in studio, and a few other things. Genre: Blues, Then psychedelic, then rock. Also, there's some old classic rock thrown in. Rating: 10 outta 10 Reason: Most people fail to understand that Rock and blues are family, and that Blues is its older brother. This 20-track shows the interconnection between them really, really well. If you aren't at all stirred by "The wind Cries Mary" the first time you hear it, then you are immune to blues music and need to scrape out some calluses on your soul.
No one's mentioned game music yet? Well, I've got one:
Band: Nobuo Uematsu Album: Final Fantasy 8 Soundtrack Release date: A few years after the game, IDk much else. Genre: Classical. Rating: 9.1 outta ten. Reason: Short version is that Nobuo Uematsu is easily on par with other classical composers. Say whatever you like about JRPGs and Square Enix, but Nobuo writes a killer score. Any game Has good music, but I'm immensely fond of 8's, and i'm not certain if the other games have commercially available soundtracks.
Band: Tool Album: Lateralus Release date: 2001 Genre: Don't quite know... Rating: 10/10 (I think perfect scores in professional reviews of any kind are bullshit because nothing is ever perfect. That being said, I'm not a professional reviewer and I don't know how else I would quantify something as subjective as my liking of that album; it's just perfect for me)
Reason: Complex, rich, diverse and as far away as a band could get from the stereotype that "the drummer is stupid and the bassist is useless"
Band: Less Than Jake Album: Anthem Release: Hm, sometime in 2003 i believe Genre: Ska Rating: 9/10 i recommend this album because Ska is one of the most underrated forms of rock and Less Than Jake is one of the awesomest (is that a word?) Ska bands out there. Their bassist also sings and if you listen to the stuff he plays you wonder how he has the ability to concentrate on playing bass as well as sing a whole verse and half a chorus. It's not their best album, but it's pretty darm good if you ask me.
Fredrik Thordendal's Special Defects "Sol Niger Within" 1997 Jazzy Trippy Scary Metal! 9/10 This album is truly one of a kind. This album might be considered Alternative, but I say otherwise. This album is a perfectly executed mix of metal and jazz. If you're into the heavy stuff, this album is a nice, shiny (black) gem. Too bad freddy only released one album... If you like Sol Niger Within, check out Fredrik's band Meshuggah. They're awesome too.
IMPORTANT NOTE! This album is very rare where I live. I couldn't find it in any stores, including iTunes and Sam Goodie. If you can't find it, he streams his entire album on myspace.
POPULAR. What you said is not popular. Being a rockist is hating popular music. What don't you understand?