So... Now if I were to say I'm eating a kitten, people would assume fish and no longer give me that stare of utter revulsion? This plan cuts into my humor prospects, might as well call fish "Sea Babies" so I can't use my dead baby jokes anymore.
Oh, and anyone here who's been a member for 3 or more months is probably pretty damn sure where I stand on PeTArds.
AngloDoom: [quote="TheDeadman" post="18.82413.1123159"] A lion will kill a cheetah if it sees it; it won't eat it however. It just kills them to make it easier to catch food, it removes the competition and therefore increases the likelihood of its own species surviving.
Yes it would. But he would do it to prevent his family or group or whatever to get killed. He wouldn't do it just for fun or because the cheetah isn't a lion. Like you said, it would do it to make it's own speciels survive longer. But humanity will survive without killing each other. We don't need to. Maybe when we still lived in caves we needed to, but now we don't and still we kill each other.
And you would realy think that a mouse would a mousetrap? Like we build atomicbombs. You think an animal would be pleased when it bites of an other animals head? I know that some humans are.
Also are we animals too. What seperates us from other animals? We are intelligent? I've seen persons that are more stupid than some animals. Give me a reason why we are SOOO much better than animals and we have the right to take whatever we want.
Sennz0r: I really hope PETA doesn't recruit your average American when it comes to intelligence, or else my worries for that country's future have just increased dramatically.
Your country already has no future; your too overpopulated with imbreding trailer trash who are overpatriotic aswell as the dipshits who campaign for stupid and moronic things.
Hello! I am an Australian and I'm going to be defending America today!
O.K. Let's see:
1) Inbreeding is a joke that doesn't happen in America, just like it doesn't happen in most countries. Even if it did generalizing the entire nation as inbreds is an idiotic and offensive view.
1-A) You might think "Why should I care, America is offensive to me, many Americans have disrespected me, fuck them". This is again a generalization. Condemning a nation based upon the fact that it has it's fair share of idiots is idiotic itself, showing that you have not entirely thought out your opinion or you would realize that there are many decent American people.
2) I will admit that there are many "over-patriotic" Americans but you must realize that there are way over the top patriots in every country. Americans are just a bit louder, and as they have a more numerous population there are likely to be more of these types of people. Also a sense of pride in your country is admirable, maybe a bit annoying but still you should not dismiss a country based upon the people who love it.
3) Overpopulation is a problem, but looking at it like some huge insult is both idiotic and confusing. Why do you hate a country because so many people live there?
4) PETA is American, but it has members in a lot of countries, and to say that this idea is entirely theirs is wrong. It is an entirely stupid idea, but then again it is not an entirely American idea so hating a culture because they have members of a world wide organization is wrong.
5) America is probably fucked. But to say that they have no future is again wrong. It might not be as "glorious" or whatever some would call it but they will still continue to exist as a nation, and to most likely at some point in the distant future work again to strive, as all nations do. A concept known as "no future" doesn't exist outside some form of continent devastating disaster, which is unlikely to happen.
I just don't like it when people hate groups of people based upon the actions of a few.
If you were extremely specific then i might agree with you but as what you wrote stands, you are wrong.
Thank you good sir for your kind words, also if sennz0r would look he would have seen that its actually peta uk (at least in the link the OP provided)
Wow. . .just wow. PETA have now reached a new low of stupidity and retardation. This is so stupid I think I lost 10 brain cells just reeeeeeding thos.
Seriously though, raise your hand if anyone think's that this will stop fishing? If you do raise your hand, just smack yourself right now. Naming them "Sea Kittens"(I still feel stupid just typing this) won't change anything other than that fishing will be called Sea Kittening.
Sennz0r: I really hope PETA doesn't recruit your average American when it comes to intelligence, or else my worries for that country's future have just increased dramatically.
Your country already has no future; your too overpopulated with imbreding trailer trash who are overpatriotic aswell as the dipshits who campaign for stupid and moronic things.
Hello! I am an Australian and I'm going to be defending America today!
O.K. Let's see:
1) Inbreeding is a joke that doesn't happen in America, just like it doesn't happen in most countries. Even if it did generalizing the entire nation as inbreds is an idiotic and offensive view.
1-A) You might think "Why should I care, America is offensive to me, many Americans have disrespected me, fuck them". This is again a generalization. Condemning a nation based upon the fact that it has it's fair share of idiots is idiotic itself, showing that you have not entirely thought out your opinion or you would realize that there are many decent American people.
2) I will admit that there are many "over-patriotic" Americans but you must realize that there are way over the top patriots in every country. Americans are just a bit louder, and as they have a more numerous population there are likely to be more of these types of people. Also a sense of pride in your country is admirable, maybe a bit annoying but still you should not dismiss a country based upon the people who love it.
3) Overpopulation is a problem, but looking at it like some huge insult is both idiotic and confusing. Why do you hate a country because so many people live there?
4) PETA is American, but it has members in a lot of countries, and to say that this idea is entirely theirs is wrong. It is an entirely stupid idea, but then again it is not an entirely American idea so hating a culture because they have members of a world wide organization is wrong.
5) America is probably fucked. But to say that they have no future is again wrong. It might not be as "glorious" or whatever some would call it but they will still continue to exist as a nation, and to most likely at some point in the distant future work again to strive, as all nations do. A concept known as "no future" doesn't exist outside some form of continent devastating disaster, which is unlikely to happen.
I just don't like it when people hate groups of people based upon the actions of a few.
If you were extremely specific then i might agree with you but as what you wrote stands, you are wrong.
Thank you good sir for your kind words, also if sennz0r would look he would have seen that its actually peta uk (at least in the link the OP provided)
It's people like Reaperma Wompa and sneakypenguin that give me hope for the internet, and humanity.
Sennz0r: I really hope PETA doesn't recruit your average American when it comes to intelligence, or else my worries for that country's future have just increased dramatically.
Your country already has no future; your too overpopulated with imbreding trailer trash who are overpatriotic aswell as the dipshits who campaign for stupid and moronic things.
You sir, are a dick. And the attacks from your post are deflected by the pure stupidity of your writing.
Moving on, I made a sea kitten on the website! I wanted to post it here, but couldn't. Let's just say that he is as cute looking as he is delicious.
I'm embarassed to share the same planet with these retards. I asked myself if they could be serious about this, and decided that sadly, they probably are. But I don't think that anyone except maybe the craziest members at PETA could believe that this will actually happen. Still scary though.
Sennz0r: I really hope PETA doesn't recruit your average American when it comes to intelligence, or else my worries for that country's future have just increased dramatically.
Your country already has no future; your too overpopulated with imbreding trailer trash who are overpatriotic aswell as the dipshits who campaign for stupid and moronic things.
You sir, are a dick. And the attacks from your post are deflected by the pure stupidity of your writing.
Moving on, I made a sea kitten on the website! I wanted to post it here, but couldn't. Let's just say that he is as cute looking as he is delicious.
What? I thought people knew this once you re-elected Bush; that just shows that my comment is right about the majority. Sure there will be some intelligent Americans but they are heavily outmatched by there opposites.
I'm sure everyone here on the escapist falls into the latter category (the reason I visit the escapist is because it is full of intelligent conversation).
The third and fourth ones will show up in my nightmares now.
TheDeadman: I think it's a, well not good idea, but at least they're trying to change it. I bet my ass that all of you guys eat meat. I bet noone has ever done ANYTHING to stop the killing. And if something like that is the way to stop people to torture animals ( because thats what fishing is) than its a start, don't you think?
Except that it's PETA. You know, the people who picket animal shelters that euthanize, then they themselves euthanize 75% of the animals they take in. Point is, they're hypocrites, just trying to get by with the "we love animals" mantra, while doing nothing beneficial at best and being completely counter-productive and hypocritical at worst. If you really want to help animals, join the ASPCA.
Hookman: Its strange that they act like all fish are cute little chibi creatures. Yes,because we all know there are no threatening or scary fish at all!
No! You have it all wrong. Fish are disgusting, smelly, and scary, "Sea-kittens" are lovable and cute.
You know, I'm a vegetarian *and* pro animal-rights AND i STILL think that PETA are a bunch of loonies. That said, their cooking mama take of is pretty hillarious, and my girlfriend did sqee all over their sea kittens page, so I suppose they're at least providing entertainment.
They don't quite get how to promote vegetarianism though. It's probably much more effective to try to make vegetarians seem like nice, likable people rather than trying ineffectually to make meat eaters hate themselves.
I think stick to 'hot girls of vegetarianism' posters. There really are some babes out there...
Rad? What? NO! I object![quote="Atvomat_Nikonov" post="18.82413.1122748"]But c'mon guys, Sea Kittens are so Rad.
Seriously, this is one of the most ridiculous idea's I have ever heard of. New generation fishermen would change the sports name to sea kittening and become Sea Kittenermen.
"Like their surface-dwelling cousins, the land kittens, sea kittens enjoy being petted. Their lack of arms makes it difficult for them to pet back, but they often gently rub against each other as a sign of affection." ...wow....If I wanted serious brain damage i'd just smash my head against a wall.
1337mokro: Wait after seeing that site, I am going out fishing, I donīt care if the ice is 3 feet thick, I am going to kill me some sea kittens.
What the hell are we MEN or pussy cats? I donīt care if I traumatize fish by killing of all their relatives, in fact if I have killed all their relatives I think the most merciful thing to do is reunite them in my stomach.
AngloDoom: [quote="TheDeadman" post="18.82413.1123159"] A lion will kill a cheetah if it sees it; it won't eat it however. It just kills them to make it easier to catch food, it removes the competition and therefore increases the likelihood of its own species surviving.
Yes it would. But he would do it to prevent his family or group or whatever to get killed. He wouldn't do it just for fun or because the cheetah isn't a lion. Like you said, it would do it to make it's own speciels survive longer. But humanity will survive without killing each other. We don't need to. Maybe when we still lived in caves we needed to, but now we don't and still we kill each other.
And you would realy think that a mouse would a mousetrap? Like we build atomicbombs. You think an animal would be pleased when it bites of an other animals head? I know that some humans are.
Also are we animals too. What seperates us from other animals? We are intelligent? I've seen persons that are more stupid than some animals. Give me a reason why we are SOOO much better than animals and we have the right to take whatever we want.
ok i notice that you keep saying that animals wouldnt harm withoud good reason etc, can i remind you of cases where orcas have tossed live seals back and forth for sport untill they are shaken to death before eating. In connection think of the cute pine martins who sometimes kill rabbits and the like for no reason then walk away leaving the body (pretty sure thats not to limit opposition). i agree wholeheartedly with anti-cruelty themes that most people support but when i hear this tired old line again and again i get kinda annoyed.
1337mokro: Wait after seeing that site, I am going out fishing, I donīt care if the ice is 3 feet thick, I am going to kill me some sea kittens.
What the hell are we MEN or pussy cats? I donīt care if I traumatize fish by killing of all their relatives, in fact if I have killed all their relatives I think the most merciful thing to do is reunite them in my stomach.
I'm a cat...check the name
No you aren't because you can use the internet, if you really think you are a cat i suggest staying away from China and getting yourself issued in a medical ward. But if you are a catfish i'd gladly eat you.
1337mokro: Wait after seeing that site, I am going out fishing, I donīt care if the ice is 3 feet thick, I am going to kill me some sea kittens.
What the hell are we MEN or pussy cats? I donīt care if I traumatize fish by killing of all their relatives, in fact if I have killed all their relatives I think the most merciful thing to do is reunite them in my stomach.
I'm a cat...check the name
No you aren't because you can use the internet, if you really think you are a cat i suggest staying away from China and getting yourself issued in a medical ward. But if you are a catfish i'd gladly eat you.
AngloDoom: [quote="TheDeadman" post="18.82413.1123159"] A lion will kill a cheetah if it sees it; it won't eat it however. It just kills them to make it easier to catch food, it removes the competition and therefore increases the likelihood of its own species surviving.
Yes it would. But he would do it to prevent his family or group or whatever to get killed. He wouldn't do it just for fun or because the cheetah isn't a lion. Like you said, it would do it to make it's own speciels survive longer. But humanity will survive without killing each other. We don't need to. Maybe when we still lived in caves we needed to, but now we don't and still we kill each other.
And you would realy think that a mouse would a mousetrap? Like we build atomicbombs. You think an animal would be pleased when it bites of an other animals head? I know that some humans are.
Also are we animals too. What seperates us from other animals? We are intelligent? I've seen persons that are more stupid than some animals. Give me a reason why we are SOOO much better than animals and we have the right to take whatever we want.
I'm going to go through your thread in order, just to make it easier for me to read, m'kay? Again, you seem to be making assumptions that I am attacking you, your beliefs, and (it seems) animals. You're mistaken.
Firstly, despite the fact that we know we can get along without killing each other, since we are driven by animal instinct, we don't really know this. Want to make a guy stop doing something? Punch him in the face. It's something every child and hot-head goes through every day. Killing them is just the ultimate STFU.
A mouse would build a mouse-trap, I believe. I think if a mouse saw a mouse as a threat to itself it would use the most powerful weapon it had on it, if it had the intelligence to make dynamite it'd use dynamite. It's not like people use atomic bombs just for giggles.
While I do accept that some people are sadists, the simple fact of the matter is an animals isn't aware enough to even take pleasure in anything beyond a physical level. They have personality, to a small degree, built only on experience and instinct. A wolf doesn't take pride in the fact its got longer fur than the rest or it killed a deer on its own. It's just going to wonder why the fuck the other wolves are chewing it's meat.
Also, you seem under the illusion that I once said that we're separate to animals. I swear I even started the subject off with 'we're pretty much identical in terms of instincts' or something along those lines. We are animals, so it works both ways. If animals are bad, humans are. If humans are bad, animals have the potential to be bad if they were intelligent.
I've never said we are better than animals, I never said we can take what we want, but lets look at it for a literal point of view; we are better and we can take what we want.
We are stronger, we make things better for us using vast numbers and our equally vast intelligent. We plunder, pillage, burn and convert anything that isn't our way to something we like. We learned to set traps, so we did. We learned to kill and capture, so we did. We learned to take advantage of whatever nature throws at us so we did. None of this we did only for pleasure, it's all built into us for the sake of survival. What pleases us is often good for us; sex, eating, lazing around to a degree, is all good for us.
You say humans take pleasure in pain, but do you honestly take pleasure in pain? People who, as you say "would take pleasure biting another creature's head off" are not exactly in the right frame of mind to represent the human race.
From a natural point of view, we are successful evolution. We're smarter, and with that intelligence we became what we are. It's the same in every aspect of evolution; the successful creatures kill the unsuccessful. It's come to a point where what makes an animal more liable to survive in some parts is not how it can survive in the wild, but how it can survive in an urban environment. Opossums, raccoons, foxes, pigeons, anything with that kind of flexibility is the new era of animal in areas of human settlement because we are, in the most literal point of view, superior.
I've never said this is good, or bad. I'm simply stating what I believe is true; I'm not going to be all hippie and believe that if an iguana could use a gun it wouldn't use it to take out any other iguana that pissed it off.
Simple fact is exactly what you said and exactly what I believed in all my life; we are animals. We're not different. We're primitive and stupid, but everything else is a little bit more stupid, that's why we have the edge and that's why we are evolutionarily successful.
Please, do not try and paint me as the super right-wing bad-guy. My views differ from yours, do not be offended.
EDIT- Also, kaziard makes a good point I really should have thought of. Fuck, Hippos go around and attack crocodiles for no reason than to bug them. They literally swim out of their way, waddle their ass over to them, and bite them for no reason, whether they are in a herd or otherwise. Animals are just as much assholes as we are, we just know more tricks.
Wow fuck peta it is impossible to make everyone call fish "sea kittens" so they might as well try to grow a second head because thats more likely to happen then changing the name of an entire species
So...
Now if I were to say I'm eating a kitten, people would assume fish and no longer give me that stare of utter revulsion? This plan cuts into my humor prospects, might as well call fish "Sea Babies" so I can't use my dead baby jokes anymore.
Oh, and anyone here who's been a member for 3 or more months is probably pretty damn sure where I stand on PeTArds.