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Paperboy  Posts: 12 Joined: 9 Jan 2009  | |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2118 Joined: 23 Feb 2008     |
America is awesome. I absolutely love my country. Look at all we've accomplished. Sure, we have problems but so does everybody else. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 517 Joined: 16 Mar 2008    |
Well, what about all the shit we sent you? The military equipment? The destroyers? (Sure, we got island bases, but we gave you 50 freaking destroyers!)Furthermore, the British and French did much more to further the cause of Germany's expansionism than the U.S. did (good old Mr. Appeasement Chamberlain) and the U.S. certainly did not want to see the rise of Nazism (or can you provide me proof?) And to "take advantage of weakened countries." How so? Our war foundries gave equipment to everyone, we banded with the British and helped get back France, we helped beat back the Nazis, then waited and let Russia have the honor of taking Berlin. Europe belongs to you guys, we didn't take any colonies from it (well, we got parts of Berlin, but it was given back) and we helped rebuild everything. How did we take advantage of you guys? However, we did go drunk with power after WW2 and started attacking everything that moved. I'll give you that. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3310 Joined: 10 Oct 2008  |
There is truth is all of that! :) |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 560 Joined: 5 Feb 2008     | I love how everyone gets pissed at America for being so patriotic, but the majority of this thread is America being bashed (or being ignored) by most Americans. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1288 Joined: 14 Aug 2008    | I am an American and don't get me wrong, I love my country and the ideals it was founded on, the freedoms we used to have, and how it didn't take a catastrophe to get us to care for one another. (R.I.P. George Carlin, making angels wet themselves laughing in heaven.) Also, I would like to say thanks to all of the brave men and women in the armed forces risking their very lives on the front lines defending those ideals. But I don't think America is awesome. The landscapes in this country are incredible, or those that haven't been overturned and added into the coast-to-coast shopping mall. The people though here seem to have an almost pathological need to swell their wallets and bank accounts. Oh and lord protector of all that is good and holy deliver us from fat people in short pants (again, RIP George Carlin.) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1830 Joined: 20 Mar 2008 | America isn't awesome. Not in the slightest. Those who prattle on about its awesomeness are just morons on a bandwagon; ignore them. We've had some good runs, we've done some good things, but right now we have oh so little to be proud of. Ironically, it's the time that we seem the most proud. Also, to quote the late George Carlin, we are the only people to take this new and pristine land and turn it into a giant transcontinental shopping mall. Ah, modern America. If the founding fathers could see what we've become, they'd hang their heads in shame. That being said, we're not the devil. We just took a good many wrong steps. We just need to stop of acting like a bunch of better-than-you rednecks and start fixing things. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1284 Joined: 29 Jun 2008    |
All right! You should come to america and we'll make fun of hardcore christians together! |
Beat Writer  Posts: 194 Joined: 23 Oct 2008   |
You friend, have put a smile on my face. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to blow the dust off my bottle of bourbon and join this crazy ass party! |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 656 Joined: 22 Feb 2008    | The U.S.A. in general is just the safest place to be, I mean we never had a magor war on our soil. Plus the fact that, well I dunno....... EVERYONE COMES HERE! I guess its mainly the american dream for the most part. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 2 Joined: 9 Jan 2009 |
I actually registered an account on the escapist to respond to this (I normally just lurk and read over the conversations that frequent the forums) But jumping directly to my point: I've met about 20 Australians. Every last one of them says Australia is a superior country to America. You can say I'm ignorant for basing this on the words of a few; however, merely claiming to be superior than us is a case of 'the pot calling the kettle black'. EDIT: And saying that I'm ignorant in this assumption is another case of the above. That's how the people of the U.S. are always treated (the voice of the ignorant always seem to come out over the rest of us) And here's some reasons the U.S. is awesome: 1. Stereotypes are a joke here. The only time they're even mentioned is in jest. Seems like everywhere else bases their entire conception of us on the stereotype. 2. As stated above, we give out arse loads of money without asking for anything in return. 3. No matter how much we're mocked (for various things), we continue trying to prove those misconceptions wrong. 4. 'Jefferson's Revolution'. If you're not from here, you've likely never heard of this. It's the first occurrence in history that two completely different parties have shifted power without bloodshed. And it continues to this day. 5. Despite how 'nationalist' we are, if you check through all of the threads similar to this one, guess what you see? People like Zorro and I, calmly debating that we're not all ignorant bastards who inhale cheeseburgers and exhale propaganda. You only see the occasional ultra-nationalist around (just like the country itself!). And as I said in the original response, you see more people who aren't from the U.S. claiming to be from a superior country. 6. -See Zorro's excerpt from that Canadian writer (I didn't copy it even though I should have >.> ) 7. We actually accept another country mocking us. The videos posted here alone would be enough to incite wars if the U.S. made them about other countries. 8. Despite us having a corrupt government (which all countries do), there's a new chance every few years for a fresh start. (And I am well aware that our electoral system needs to be seriously revised) I'll stop there for the time being. But I've another counterpoint to make to a frequent response I've seen. One of American propaganda being the cause of nationalism here. Two words to that. Pure. Bollocks. Even though we're assaulted with messages saying we're the best country in the world, we're smacked around by all the foreigners here and on the internet (along with general geopolitical opinion we hear of) that says quite the opposite. I would even venture to say there's more negative propaganda about the U.S. than positive. Rightio then. I think I've made my thoughts clear enough. Hopefully this appeal to my fellow citizens of the world won't come off as ignorant, egotistical, or any other terms that are applied to the U.S. and it's people. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1440 Joined: 19 Jun 2008 |
I don't think I've managed to enrage someone enough to join just to counter me before heh. Still, despite all your well thought out reasons, I'll still call australia the better country. Here's a couple of quick reasons (I have stuff to do today, sorry I can't devote more time to this) Oz > USA 1: We have no KKK. 2: Our religious nutcases just spout to their flock, they don't go protesting at the funerals of homosexuals. They mostly get ignored in politics too. 3: Check out of our rates of violent crime. Many of us may not like the fact the government took our guns away some time ago now, but it has been a greater boon than hinderence to the majority of aussies. 4: Almost everyone around the world loves us. 5: Our beaches. 'Nuff said on that one really. 6: Our beer. 'Nuff said there too. 7: Down here, if you're an egotistical moron who think they're top of the world, we'll tear you down several pegs, not put you on a pedestal (celebrity culture being a little different here. Kanye West, for example, couldn't have claimed to be the "voice of this generation" if he'd been an aussie. Not if he wanted to keep his pride anyway). 8: George W Bush would NEVER have gotten the leadership of a major political party. He'd have had extreme difficulties in getting a ministerial position too. I could probably go on and on and on, but I've gotta scoot, so enjoy. I'm sure there are plenty of aussies here who could flesh this out further, but I imagine that will need a new thread. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 623 Joined: 26 Dec 2008    |
QFT |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 772 Joined: 25 Jun 2008  |
You know... Its amazing how much you sound like a 'Stereotypical American' right now with the name of the nation shifted. Seriously it is. I mean ignoring for a second that your beer is not Irish and therefore does not matter any more than ours, and frankly saying 'the rest of the world loves you' is delusional since most people just don't care. I might give you violent crime, but overall the funny thing is that the key thing that you seem to get on America about is the overall attitude of Americans. That seems to be the key gripe of most of the people here who bash the US and its rather amusing that while doing it you act the same way. My nation has flaws, I will admit that, but I really think that perhaps you should look at your own behavior before mocking that of others, especially when trying to make one nation into some scapegoat to let you ignore all the other problems in the world. |
Muckraker  Posts: 324 Joined: 18 Jun 2008  |
That's the spirit! Bring some heroin and condoms. Trust me, you will need them, and not necessarily in that order |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2943 Joined: 4 Oct 2008  | How are we not awesome? We're the land of opporunity, home of the free and the brave...as well as the realm of corrupt government, greed, and murder. America is neither superior nor inferior to any other given nation and to say otherwise, in my humble opinion, is prejudice. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 115 Joined: 17 Apr 2008 | where did you get that cheeseburger from? |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2943 Joined: 4 Oct 2008 |
Hmm? Are you talking to me? That's a pumpkin, not a cheeseburger. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 115 Joined: 17 Apr 2008 |
every nation in the world loves you? I know one nation that your nation hates without reason, except maybe because we've beaten you in most of the rugby world cups. Especially because you are descended from us! show some gratitude. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 115 Joined: 17 Apr 2008 | Nah it was another guy but i pressed reply instead of quote so no one knows what i'm on about |
Copy Clerk Posts: 115 Joined: 17 Apr 2008 | american civil war? war of independence |
Muckraker  Posts: 305 Joined: 1 Oct 2008   | Because WE ARE!! USA! USA! USA! |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 674 Joined: 29 Dec 2008   | I don't think America is amazing because I don't like how they treat the British. But when Americans get funny, that's when it is funny, because half the time their Egos get smashed and it is funny. (Sorry to all American users who were offended. Call me Prejudice if you must). |
Paperboy Posts: 12 Joined: 25 Sep 2008 |
First off, Appeasement was not intended to start World War II, in fact completely the opposite - to avoid conflict. It was a mistake, sure, infact, kind of like the US's isolationism! Oh and remember the Falkland's war? We received no help from you then either. So, no you don't jump into world conflicts and rescue everyone and I just wanted to make that point clear. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 52 Joined: 7 Jan 2009  | The UK is the place to be. For a small place we more than hold our own on the international stage. The USA's achievements are almost shameful when compared to what smaller countries achieved with tiny populations and less resources. America is shockingly incompetent and has achieved little when you compare to smaller countries who achieved many thing with less while Americas greatest accomplishment is possibly MacDonalds Best country is easily Great Britain, the clue is in the name. |
Muckraker Posts: 305 Joined: 1 Oct 2008 |
Thank you for my new desktop wallpaper. |
Muckraker  Posts: 273 Joined: 20 Sep 2008 |
YAY! lets do what american advertiseing always does. Paper over the bad bits of everything. If i break my leg in America i have to pay alot of money to get it fixed and if im poor then im screwed. Break my leg in any other modern country, my taxes will cover it and get better health care all round. And the fact that all those things have caused such divides between rich and poor. Yeah go America... btw all them universitys are SO good the average american cant afford to go to them so thats kinda pointless if only a slim majority can go to them. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2118 Joined: 23 Feb 2008 |
Well, you've almost got it, but not quite. If you are below the poverty line in the U.S. then you are eligible for medicaid and the government will cover all of your hospital bills. The problem we have is if you make enough to be above the poverty line but don't invest in health insurance either because you don't think you can afford it or just think nothing will happen to you then you're fucked if you do get hurt or sick. It's not actually the poor that are getting shafted, it's the middle class. It's the same thing with the Universities. If you are very poor then you can apply for financial aid and the government will pay most if not all of your tuition. Only if you are middle to upper class will the government not pay for your schooling. So, middle class parents have to pay for their child's tuition and often they cannot afford to send them to the schools on that list. Really, we're not lengthening the gap between rich and poor we're keeping the middle class from becoming rich. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 817 Joined: 20 Aug 2008  |
So what you're saying is you've accomplished pornography, patriotic pornography, Hollywood (tm, probably, everything else is) and your universities are better than others? Well, in fairness, you have a lot of people to educate, so you have a lot of universities. You know, that picture shoukd probably display things like the Declaration of Independence, a soldier holding a flag, etc. The Moon landing is alright though. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 104 Joined: 17 Nov 2008  | I am an American and even I am questioning how my fellow Americans can think that they are better than everyone else. |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 817 Joined: 20 Aug 2008 |
Congratulations. You've successfully alienated everyone. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2118 Joined: 23 Feb 2008 |
That is true we have a large population that needs educating, but China, the country everybody is worried about taking over the world, has almost no Universities worth attending and their population is vastly higher than our own. The day American kids start going to China for their education is the day I worry about us losing our status as a superpower. Also, I agree the picture is probably missing some things. The declaration would've been nice, and I'd also throw in a picture of Santa Claus, seeing as he is a creation of the Coca-cola company, which is American. That's right, we invented Santa Claus. Top that. |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 817 Joined: 20 Aug 2008 |
You might've invented Santa Claus, but we made bread! Well, not originally, but we made proper bread that you can eat without shitting out your kidneys ^_^ ...I like bread... |
Beat Writer  Posts: 179 Joined: 24 Dec 2008    | America is awesome because everyone hates them and everyone always hates the awesome country. Look at Holland we can do anything we like and have laws that make absolutelly no sense and the country runs great even with legal drugs. S the whole jealous bunch a.k.a everyone calls us clog wearing tulip eating cheese heads. Jealousy is the same as envy and as jealousy is the root of hatred Americans are the second most awesome people, next to the Israelites. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 532 Joined: 22 Jan 2008 |
Practically everyone carries a gun - how on Earth is that safe? |
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The US is neither good or bad, i suppose what matters is which way your looking at it. Im sure there are some north koreans that believe their country is the greatest in the world and thats fine by me, patriotism is nothing to be ashamed of and by all means love your country.
in response to people proclaiming how america has 'saved the world' or at least some of its countries on numerous occasions, the US is the worlds current superpower, so basically its your duty to help out other countries. were all part of the same planet arent we? just because we live on different floating pieces of land across the globe doesnt mean we have to stick to looking after ourselves and screwing everyone else. i mean, when it comes to financial help, wot could Britain (im english by the way) possibly contribute to the US that the US doesnt already have? the US has a GDP approximatly 6 times the size of ours.
ive never been to the US personally but i have relatives who have, all of which tell me how friendly everyone was and how welcomed they felt. i think that people get an unbalanced view as to what americans are really like due to thier portrayal in most of the worlds media as loud, crass and often arrogant people who would just as soon sue you as look at you.
and finally, and i dont mean to offend by saying this, i think a lot of what makes people hate america so much is pure jealousy. the US IS the worlds current superpower and some people seem to get upset and pissed of that their country isnt. i used to dislike america due to the fact that my current government sucks american penis (for want of a better term) so much, but that isnt really the US's fault, its ours.