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Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 606 Joined: 24 Sep 2008     | |
Copy Clerk Posts: 107 Joined: 10 Mar 2008     | www.whyaretheydead.net |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 596 Joined: 27 Apr 2008  | I find it interesting that the classics major dismissed the notion of religious evolution out of hand. So is it entirely inaccurate to state that christianity was a mystery cult on the par with Mythrasianism (I may have mis-spelled that!) That it's members violently guarded there secrets for fear of persecution and that anyone who broke the sacred trust was "fair game" I believe that in some cases removal of the tongue was quite popular as a punishment. Much later in history it was common practice to pour molten lead down the throats of pagans if they refused to recant their old gods this practice was popular in the nordic countries arond the time christianity was gaining a foothold there. Scientology is to my mind no more culpable in the deaths of the people sighted in the "why they are dead" site than an online casino is culpable for any suicides of gambling addicts. Mentally unstable people join thinking it a route to salvation and quickly find that it is not. This is a cynical exploitation of the deranged but it is not church policy to bump offit's members. No where in Dianetics is ritual suicide prescribed. So how can you state that it was the their faith that caused it, it was the debt that admittedly their faith caused. L Ron Hubbard is dead I believe shot by his right hand man so his plan for world domination didnt quite pan out. Does it not occur that it occasionally works for someone if you have the right sort of money it could well be hugely fulfilling. Its like an online RPG you can dabble but in order to truly get the best experience subscription is necessary. I hope that this doesn't come across as trolling as I am literally attempting to play devils advocate here, I am neither pro nor anti Scientology in "real life" like most things my opinion if formed by how something treats me, if for example my wife became a thetan my views would quite rapidly change towards the anti camp. In the next hundred years it could well become validated as a faith, in the same way as the resurgence of Paganism or kaballa. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2538 Joined: 29 Mar 2008  | The reason Scientology is hated is because it's directly responsible for quite a few deaths, is quite clearly based on fiction (to the point where we actually have an author, not so much with most other texts) and doesn't so much explain anything, just gives an easy out for your own failings without giving you ways to cope with it or change it. on the surface the background isn't any crazier than Jesus, but Jesus tought you to deal with shit. Hubbard just spouts it |
BANNED  Posts: 3780 Joined: 9 Sep 2008     |
:D So funny, yet so accurate. User was banned for: We are all related? a odd little theory. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1868 Joined: 4 Oct 2007   | |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 850 Joined: 15 Dec 2008   | Scientology is diametrically opposed to the concept of religion. Also Scientology, from what I've gathered, functions on the inside as less of a religion and more of a press gang. When the Isaac Hayes/South Park controversy began. Hayes initially took Parker and Stone's side, saying on a radio broadcast that they were equal-opprotunity offenders. But he later changed his tune and quit the show. A lot of people have specualted that the "Church" of Scientology may have threatened him with excommunication or worse. Of course these are just specualtions, but it's nothing I wouldn't put past your average cult. A funny aside to this story is that the local Scientology office in my town gets routinely vandalized by people spray-painting stuff like "Jesus says, Hi!" |
Beat Writer  Posts: 194 Joined: 23 Oct 2008   | Because Tom Cruise is just so damn hateable. He did get some major respect back from me for his bit in Tropic Thunder, that was comic gold... |
BANNED  Posts: 932 Joined: 17 Aug 2008   |
If you think these guys deserve anything but a quick and efficient dismantling then you really haven't heard of these guy's shadier shit. Also, on the point about Hubbard. It's not that we don't believe him because he's a fiction writer, it's because he was convicted of fraud. Twice. User was banned for: Oh god, bees.. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2354 Joined: 14 Sep 2007   | Scientology seems to have these huge problems with certain medications people need to continue living. Something about their alien soul. Also, L. Ron Hubbard lied about pretty much everything he's ever done, if this is any indication. |
Muckraker  Posts: 330 Joined: 14 Dec 2008   | I like it because it reminds me people are dumb enough to beleive anything if you offer an explaination to you're existance and frequently asked questions on life "Why do we exist?" "Oh, you see son a giant man from outer space took a shit where our galaxy is today and thus created all of us" Oh you think that no one would beleive this if I started yelling it to strangers.... you'd think that |
Beat Writer  Posts: 169 Joined: 30 Sep 2008    | I don't hate Scientologists, I feel sorry for them. Because they're morons. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2226 Joined: 5 Jan 2009   | dont Scientologists believe that they receive their own planet upon death to rule and govern however they wish, and they would have god like powers to use how ever they want |
Anonymous Source  Posts: 3 Joined: 7 Jan 2009  | Scientology is not a religion. Scientology is a fraudulent organization that claims to be a religion in order to shield itself from taxation and criticism. There is no spiritual path at the heart of Scientology. Spirituality is about the surrender of the ego to the infinite; Scientology is about the surrender of the infinite to the ego. Scientology will not survive the 21st century in its present form. www.youfoundthecard.com |
BANNED  Posts: 11268 Joined: 3 Jan 2009     |
Fucking classic, User was banned for: Why do Many Girls take Pictures of Themselves?. (Permanent) |
Paperboy Posts: 13 Joined: 13 Sep 2008  | I have a problem with Scientology because of their beliefs. I do not have a problem because it is made up. I would also like to point out exhibit A and B as to show that not all made up religions are bad. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2226 Joined: 5 Jan 2009 | Also, L. Ron Hubbard lied about pretty much everything he's ever done, if this is any indication.[/quote] roflcopter at that website, the guy is crazy |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 890 Joined: 29 Nov 2008  | "Now one of the main thrusts of the arguement against scientology is that it's created by a fiction writer, this is rather valid as a criticism however most of the Torah, bible etc are fictionalised, none of it is literal truth but a series of instructional tales." I have a problem with this statement(I also have a problem with the quote function). |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 59 Joined: 4 Dec 2008   | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPBiGtVmir4 God I love Boston Legal :D (pardon the pun) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1830 Joined: 20 Mar 2008 |
Intriguing. I probably know your argument for Western religions, but what of the East? I'm not one to call any one religion wrong or right, but I want to hear your rhetoric on Buddhism, Taoism, and Shinto, just out of interest. Back on topic, I'm neutral on the matter. It may sound silly on paper and be a little less than perfect in action, but it's not the spawn of the devil. Whatever lets you think you'll live forever someday. Though I must admit, Xenu is a name that really ought to never appear in a religious text. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1850 Joined: 7 Jul 2008    | Someone pointed out the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and there's a difference between that and Scientological beliefs, chiefly believing in the Flying Spaghetti Monster does not require you giving some crazy people all your money. Also Paganism may have made a resurgence, yes, but it unilke Scientology is a real religion because thousands of years ago they weren't demanding all your money for knowledge. I mean seriously, no other religion today has a "fair game" concept on its books (and no, Islamic Jihads do not count because that is not staying true to the ideals), no other religion demands you give them money before you can get knowledge of what you believe in (hell, the Bible is practically free these days). And no other religion has ever outright said that psychology/psychiatry is for tards. Yeah I'm sure tons of cash and dianetics would've saved my friend with bipolar disorder from killing himself. What a crock of shit. And really, the fact that people buy any crap created by Lying Ron Hubbard is simply astounding. I'm not one to say any religion is purely right or wrong but since Scientology is not a religion in anything but name only, then I can say without any doubt that it is wrong. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1407 Joined: 16 Dec 2008 | Well scientology seems like a bunch of bs, but then again so does every other religion, |
Muckraker  Posts: 323 Joined: 18 Mar 2008 | Look on the bright side - with the way the economy is going, pretty soon nobody will be able to afford to join scientology. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1850 Joined: 7 Jul 2008 |
I bet if the IRS audited them we'd be able to get the bailout money back. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 772 Joined: 25 Jun 2008  |
And that is part of the danger. Yes people have the right to see religion as BS if they want, I don't understand it but its their right. However failing to recognize the dangers in Scientology or associating it with the often over generalized or over exaggerated evils of 'other religions' (Which is bull in and of itself, but not going to get into that) just allows the leaders of The CoS to further push rules that are directly harmful to their followers and others. Ignoring the real danger of the CoS, at least as it is now, because you have an overall problem with religion is a dangerous practice. |
On the Record  Posts: 5742 Joined: 9 Jul 2008    |
Ah, Pastafarianism. The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster was a not-surprisingly good read. |
On the Record  Posts: 5966 Joined: 7 Feb 2008 |
Fine fine, Taoism I respect because it claims that claiming to know all the answers means you don't know anything, which is awesome. Buddhism is too... unhappy for me, I don't think it holds much truth. Shinto is very... regional and very old fashioned in its style yet its incorporating and accepting nature makes me like it more than some western religions. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1062 Joined: 23 Sep 2008 | its loony |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1407 Joined: 16 Dec 2008 |
Well when a scientology church opens in my community, I will do something about it, probably protest, no drugs allowed? fuck off i need my anti anxiety meds because thinking about how the universe started drives me nuts, was their nothing before? but how can something come from nothing? AHHHH |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 436 Joined: 9 Dec 2008    |
Just make sure you get a couple buddys to go with you as well as enough Guy Fawkes mask for everyone. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1905 Joined: 24 Jan 2008   | Simple. It isn't a religon. Just a Parade of Idiots who delude themselves that they are "enlightened" |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 63 Joined: 7 Jan 2009  | Because The Cult of $cientology is a vile, discusting, criminal organization that has invaded the government and vastly abused their poor mindless members. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1341 Joined: 19 Jun 2008   | On the internet, you can thank the /b/tards and anything else that calls itself Anonymous. But it's true. Scientology kills. And they steal. They have their tax-exempt status because Scientology staged the largest infiltration of any government agency in history in order to gain that status. Let's add to that there are countless deaths related to Scientology. Here, this is Anonymous' main page about Scientology: It's got some solid links, most notably: EDIT: I normally wouldn't support a group like Anonymous, simply because they've done some pretty nasty things... but when it comes to Scientology, I'm behind them 100%. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 63 Joined: 7 Jan 2009 | Fellow /b/tard? or just a supporter of our cause? just wondering |
Muckraker  Posts: 335 Joined: 17 Jul 2008 | The idea that the religion originated from a sci-fi writer? |
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Don't quote me for truth on this because I don't know the source, but I think L. Ron Hubbard was once quoted as saying, "Whats the easiest way to make money? Make your own religion."