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Copy Clerk  Posts: 56 Joined: 1 Dec 2008     | |
Press Junketeer Posts: 390 Joined: 6 Nov 2008   | 1. most people think it was invented to sell stuff. there is some truth to this: when battlefield earth was released (the godawful book, not the godawful movie) scientologists were told to buy as many copies as they could afford. some people went to stores, bought as many as they could carry, and apparently took them right back to the shipping center, because some stores would get books with price stickers already on them. 2. its not been around very long. a lot of people can remember times from before scientology was even a word. 3. it was created by a scifi writer, it thinks that psychology is fake, and it thinks that souls were created by a volcano. seriously. 4. they can be pretty mean to their critics. ever heard of paulette cooper? she wrote a book called "the scandal of scientology" which was exactly what it sounds like. the scientologists responded by starting "operation freakout" which was an attempt to put her in either prison or a mental institution. it didnt work because it got exposed by the fbi. all this info comes from wikipedia, but i think that the wiki is pretty reliable, so thats my story and im sticking with it. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 586 Joined: 27 Apr 2008   |
So some guy fed an hungry mob with four loaves and four fishes, turned water into wine, survived in a desert for forty days and forty nights without water. Some one was turned into a pillar of salt, a castle was destroyed by the use of jazz sorry obscure reference. To say that this is an accurate not fictional account of events in history is quite odd to say the least. My wife certainly has had nothing to do with my ribs and nothing bad has happened when she ate an apple, Also I have never at any point seen anyone turn water into wine, perhaps the other way round in shop doorways on a Saturday night. I use christianity as my example not because i have any particualar with it just that I know the bible better that any other religious book. I didnt go to an Islamic sunday school after all. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1766 Joined: 18 Nov 2008     |
I'm sorry but I heard that in a Christopher Lee voice in my head...can you post some more stuff elsewhere, I enjoyed that experience! |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3247 Joined: 10 Oct 2008   | |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 63 Joined: 7 Jan 2009   |
Lol im not sure what you intended to mean by that response :P |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3247 Joined: 10 Oct 2008 | Watch the videos I posted, they are for real and VERY crazy. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1766 Joined: 18 Nov 2008 |
I'm not really sure either...just that your avatar is messing with my head I suppose...(I'm dragging this off topic, so just ignore me) |
Copy Clerk Posts: 63 Joined: 7 Jan 2009 |
Lol, The white wizard is against $cientology! :P |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1766 Joined: 18 Nov 2008 |
I can now die happy. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 63 Joined: 7 Jan 2009 | Do not die, for there is a war to be fought, Forces of Isengard Assemble! :P |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 816 Joined: 19 Dec 2007   | Why? This is one of the reasons why. http://www.whyaretheydead.net/ Search for Fair Game and Operation Freakout (I think). |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1418 Joined: 12 Sep 2008   | Germany said it is a cult and gave it the banhammer. I agree with Germany. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3247 Joined: 10 Oct 2008 |
Go Germany. I agree 100%. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 63 Joined: 7 Jan 2009 | If it where just people acting like total ass-clowns and worshipping aliens then I would laugh at there faces and leave it at that. But as it stands they are not and are a criminal organization. Love, Hate or don't care about $cientology you have to admit that they ARE a criminal group |
Paperboy  Posts: 42 Joined: 18 Dec 2008   |
What exactly do you mean by banhammer? Can Germany simply ban religions it doesn't like? |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 958 Joined: 1 Jan 2009    | Evil Lord Xenu, MU HA HA! |
Anonymous Source  Posts: 3 Joined: 7 Jan 2009 |
If you read the stories on a literal level, they seem absurd. If you read these stories on a symbolic level, they point to deeper truths. It is possible to draw wisdom from the Bible and other spiritual texts without needing the events to have actually happened. Was there a literal Prodigal Son? Is the point of the story somehow invalidated if he was merely a character that Jesus made up? The Xenu story isn't about deeper truths, it's about power and control. And, anyway, I have no real issue with what they believe, I have issues with what they DO. I object to physical and mental abuse. I object to women being forced to have abortions. I object to people being harassed, stalked and sued for daring to criticize or speak the truth. I don't care WHAT you believe--that shit ain't ON. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2213 Joined: 5 Jan 2009    | Wasnt Tom Cruise's movie Valkyrie not allowed to be filmed in Germany because he was a scientologist and the germans are so against scientologists that they boycotted the filming of the movie? |
BANNED  Posts: 11268 Joined: 3 Jan 2009   |
Germany bans everything though, so that's not the best of response. Seriously, click the links above and you'll see how fucked up Scientology is. Also, if anyone who reads these discussions is a Scientologist, please post and comment, beccause this is getting a little one-sided. User was banned for: Why do Many Girls take Pictures of Themselves?. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1418 Joined: 12 Sep 2008 |
Yes every nation has the right to declare a religion a cult. It was supported by German High Courts so it is no longer considered a religion and its leadership is now persona non grata. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3247 Joined: 10 Oct 2008 |
This is way off topic, but so be it. Hell no. That movie was shot in the actual places that the real story took place in historically. I saw a show about it on the History Channel. They even went to the square where all the guys who were trying to kill Hitler got killed and shit. The Germans may just forgive Cruise for everything because of that movie. It is the one shining part of German history from WWII where some Germans did not disagree and run way from Hitler. These guys disagreed and died for it. Those men are heroes. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1418 Joined: 12 Sep 2008 |
They are not heroes what a load of bollocks they were a bunch of Prussian Elitists who got mad because Hitler hated the Prussian Aristocracy. Fuckin von Stauffenberg was a whiner who suddenly became a fake hero. The dude refused multiple assassination attempts against Hitler because he thought it was foolish. It wasn't till his dumb ass got crippled in North Africa that he became bitter and blamed Hitler for crippling him. The whole damn thing was just a bunch of Elitist Prussians who didn't want to lose another war and look like idiots again just like they did during WWI. Valkyrie made me sick it made heroes of men who cared only about their image and their own egos. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 4 Joined: 8 Jan 2009 |
Your argument is fallacious. Essentially you are saying that for every wrong or distasteful element in Scientology you could find some variant of some religion that did that ergo all religions are just as bad. However that's actually irrelevant since some of these things may be intrinsic to Scientology but not intrinsic to other religions. So You've also engaged in some equivocation and have made some statements which you are unlikely in a position to support. I'd expect something more cogent even from a discordian! ;-) |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 857 Joined: 24 Mar 2008    | Here we go again. As for hate against scientologists, it has more to do with the number of celebrities embracing the church and that all so typical "hate the big dog" attitude of most people. Now, Before I read one more response on this thread and become inevitably enraged, religion is a horrible point of discussion on these forums it always leads to ignorant and rude comments that would not have resulted otherwise. These topics are some of the largest points of tension on these forums. Note the constant: "that goes for all religions" that is being thrown into every other post just to make sure said posters get there yahtzee driven poke in that a focus on Scientology would not allow. For 2009 I encourage all members of the escapist to avoid topics like this and avoid commenting in them. There are many forums that are built for and encourage this type of discussion, let them have it. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3247 Joined: 10 Oct 2008 |
Sure, that is your perceptive on things. Ask what many German think of them and what they tried to do. But what ever. It matter little. |
Paperboy Posts: 17 Joined: 10 Apr 2008  | Christianity was founded by a guy who preached forgiveness and reconciliation, Buddhism was founded by a guy who saw suffering in his world and wanted to learn how to stop it, Islam was founded by a guy who saw an oppressive rule over his people and wanted to stop it, Scientology is founded by a guy who is quoted to have founded his religion only for money and is known to exploit his followers simply for money and personal gain. I don't care about the actual belief structure. I hope my point speaks for itself. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1058 Joined: 22 Dec 2008 | Scientology was invented by an atheist science fiction writer by the name of L. Ron Hubbard who made a wager that religion is so stupid he could make one up, write a book about it, and sell that book; eventually, it would be a religion. He won his wager. Scientology is hated because it was written in the recent past by an atheist. Also, in Scientology, the more money donated to its church, the likelier you are to go to Heaven. No charity, just purchase. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 842 Joined: 5 Jul 2008    | I dislike all religion, they do the same things as scientologists but are more subtle: |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 389 Joined: 15 Aug 2008 | Nah, you're mistaken... The internet hates scientology |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2921 Joined: 22 Jun 2008  |
Aye, and hear here (or look, I suppose.). |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 362 Joined: 9 Dec 2008 | Scientology is a scam, no other religion charges you money to learn the core of the teachings. They are brutal on critics, going so far as to follow and harass them, and they even raided the IRS in "Operation Snow White". They don't deserve their tax-exempt status
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Anonymous Source  Posts: 5 Joined: 8 Jan 2009 | Man Im sorry but could you check your spelling and grammar...and your wording. Im being a toss but sheesh. If you have put this much thought into it you could at least ask a question. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3894 Joined: 15 Aug 2008 | It is more Cult like at the moment but maybe it will become a real religion at some point. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2009 Joined: 2 Nov 2008   | Most of the points you made are quite valid, but I remember trying to find out what Scientology was all about and I have to say that it's basis seems to be a little more crazy than some other major religions. But that is just my own opinion. |
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The universe doesnt hate Scientology. Its just the Milkyway Galaxy that hates XENU for his MASS GENOCIDE.