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Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1821 Joined: 7 Jul 2008     | |
BANNED  Posts: 26 Joined: 13 Nov 2008     | Ace, it is a religion. You just need to broaden your term for religion. It's a belief system. User was banned for: Poll: BOXXY. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3700 Joined: 29 Dec 2007     |
They act like a classic cult, but I think they want to be a reglion to avoid tax. EDIT:
Calling it a reglion means they get tax brakes, they do not derserve anything. So they are not a reglion, they are a cult who tires to coerce people into joining and then tells them to ignore friends and family. I call that a cult, not every member is crazy, but as a whole it is. If you really think they are a reglion, you need to broaden your term for scam. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 91 Joined: 24 Dec 2008   | I generally don't like any religion, I just don't care much for their ideas but will happily go about my business ignoring them and letting them get on with their business too. However Scientology really annoys me, not because of it's general 'cultishness' but because of the name. Not only have they put '-ology' onto the end like Astrology did but they put 'Scien-' onto the front which just isn't on. You may have guessed that I am somewhat of a science type person which I am, so even if it is all just harmless nomenclature I almost find it offensive. And that is the only reason I have a problem with them. If they were the Wacky Space Men Cult I would just be satisfied with laughing at them and their silly ways. |
Paperboy  Posts: 35 Joined: 8 Jan 2009     | The reason why I do not approve of Scientology, is that it's adding another faith into a world already plagued with conflict often surrounding religion. I don't think it should have been much of a surprise to them to find people opposed to their church. Charging people isn't the only issue -- it's that they're charging people when there are so many religions that don't. Then again, I guess you could say it's the "consumers'" fault. Why buy a Big Mac from a street vendor selling them at three times the price, when McDonalds is having a giveaway? Better question: why have a Big Mac at all? I've had one throughout my entire life and it wasn't all that great. The special sauce was good, though. But it tastes almost exactly like ketchup and mayonaise mixed together -- there's definitely something missing, however. Another good question: where will you find a street vendor selling Big Macs? Personally, I believe that people should be able to forge their own beliefs. But really, those who cannot do actually contribute to society, because churches tend to make large donations to charities. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 587 Joined: 27 Apr 2008   | My arguements are fallacious, that it kind of the point of this thread. People parrotting the usual Scientology is bad because they did "X" and "X" is evil can be countered by saying X is also present in government, relgion and other social political groupings. It must have something to it surely because belief system that has run for nearly 60 years flies in the face of public opinion in such a major way and is universally hated still takes on new members every year. Why do people continue to follow the path of scientology despite being aware of everyones view of it. Surely Travolta and Cruise would have realised it was a public relations nightmare to have such a crippling millstone around there neck and decry it openly if there was absolutely nothing to it. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 515 Joined: 23 Jul 2008    | Their attitude towards the fields of psychology and psychiatry is just reprehensible. They actually think their fool religion is mentally "healthier" than freaking science, and they regularly protest the practice of psychology/psychiatry. THAT is when I said, "That's it, you're done. FUCK YOU, Scientology." That's how they get new members. They convince you that they're the cure for your depression, bipolar disorder, childhood trauma, what have you, instead of therapy or even maturity. Makes me sick to my stomach. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 355 Joined: 15 Sep 2008    | Come on people, lets be honest. It's not us that hates Scientology, it's the alien spirits possessing us that are making us fear the truth! Only by buying the Church's mind-cleansing subliminal tapes can we hope to rid ourselves of the psychic trauma that has been inflicted upon us! The entire field of therapy is in league with the aliens - don't trust them... ¬,¬ |
Beat Writer  Posts: 183 Joined: 19 Nov 2008    | well for me it is simply because it is a religion, not only that but it is a religion that doesn't have an interesting mythology, the mythos of the abrahamic religions is very dynamic and interesting, although it has alot of its rituals from the egyptian mythos, at least in the abrhamic isn't that chaotic. the ancient pantheon of the greeks however is one of the best of all religious stories, because it models its philosophies into something naturally that is a part of the world. in the same way that lovecraft built his cthuhlu mythos. then again not much of the scientology doctrine has been revealed which makes it hard for me to judge the story, and there is no way im going to pay a fortune to join some overpriced book club, especially if the story is a rip off from the book of law from thelema(as far as i know) so for me its three things, |
Beat Writer  Posts: 165 Joined: 9 Nov 2007  | As far as the OP mentioned about Travolta, if I recall some articles I saw, he had taken his son off of a few medicines several months ago and admitted that he was suffering from "severe" seizures at least once a week. So, at least in his case, it was a bit more "If your kid starts to convulse after you take him off his meds, maybe that wasn't a bright idea." Granted, I suppose the religion was frowning on John's use of secular healing. Overall, I suppose I have issues with religion as a whole, but philosophy ends up being useful, and taking various religious texts as philosophical texts are much more interesting. That being said, Scientology is based around science fiction texts, and I just simply can't find the philosophical importance of "The Courtship of Princess Leia" or "Heir to the Force." |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 627 Joined: 17 Sep 2008 | Scientology is the new kid on the block, so it gets picked on more. Its as simple as that. I reckon if you really get into the nitty-gritty stuff, you would find that a lot of Scientology's beliefs are about as credible as beliefs from every other religion out there. I think the really interesting thing about Scientology is that most people upon learning about it will immidiatly call bullshit on it, when you can call bullshit on all the older religions over similar issues; for example alien souls infesting our bodies / God is inside all of us. Just to clarify, I'm one of the many people who call bullshit on Scientology, mainly over the money issue. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 54 Joined: 11 Dec 2007   | Scientology is nothing to worry about, if it ever get's too big the freemasons will just shut it down. Also, cocks. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 192 Joined: 24 Jul 2008    | Isn't scientology about god having omething to do with aliens? ( this is probably complete bull, so don't judge me by it). Still, it's the fact that most religious people won't like scientology because it's unpopular in itself, and most non religious people (like me) won't like scientology anyway. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 57 Joined: 5 Jan 2009   | i wonder if they should make a scientology game? would be intresting.. bit like fallout and GTA (or maybe saints row so you can dress up as a cross dressing pimp)go around beating da non believers and shit :D missions like extortion and black mail and... hang on.. that basicly is gta? lost my train of thought slightly but give the bloke in the hawaien shirt in GTA some fucktard disorder make him pay for compleasting quests and its basicly done! rockstar could loose a fortune for doing this |
BANNED  Posts: 2340 Joined: 27 May 2008    |
Well firstly you would have to realize that Travolta and Cruise probably aren't thinking that far ahead, if at all. I remember old Jewish and Christian passages, or even the comments of the Westboro Baptist Church, when I think of Scientology. Each of these groups have some comment on how 'the world will hate you, but you are the chosen'. Some parts of Scientology argue this point as well. I believe there is such a popularity of Scientology in celebrities because of the class-like system their readings invoke. By moving up in the ranks of Scientology, they are 'naturally' better then others, which is simply an ego boost. To people who are already treated very differently in the physical world, I think that they believe that in the metaphysical world they must be different as well. My major problem with Scientology is the major problem I have with most organized religions: its teachings stop people from thinking. Dogma pushes all rational discussion out and places one irrational answer as the only one. Look at the Scientologist opinion on psychology, they discredit it without any evidence besides 'people can get over anything in their heads'. But probably why I look at Scientology with such a greater negativity then other faiths is also their relations to their critics, their control over their members, their censorship and their habit of stealing information from the United States' government. User was banned for: [NEW SCREENIES]Prototype [HOLY SHIT]. (Permanent) |
BANNED Posts: 2340 Joined: 27 May 2008 |
Indeed it's creation story is all about aliens, if you have seen the South Park episode everything they say is true(except instead of just dumping aliens into volcanoes some Scientologists say they dumped them in and then dropped nuclear warheads). But a large part of it also has to do with self-improvement through rituals (which usually cost a fair amount of money). User was banned for: [NEW SCREENIES]Prototype [HOLY SHIT]. (Permanent) |
On the Record  Posts: 6435 Joined: 8 Nov 2008   |
Ain't that the truth! |
Paperboy  Posts: 16 Joined: 15 Dec 2008  | 1. As many have already said it was created by a science fiction writer, that created the religion to make money 2.It seems that to "progress" in Scientology that you need to, sorry required to give large amounts of money, also to indocrinate those around you to also give lots of money. Seems a bit more like a pyramid scheme than a religion. It's a cult and I'll be happy when they all drink the kool aid |
Anonymous Source  Posts: 3 Joined: 7 Jan 2009 | An organization that calls itself a religion does not magically become one any more than a five year old with a paper crown on her head becomes royalty just because she says she's a princess. A religion is an organized structure to teach a spiritual path. Scientology is an organized structure that has no spiritual path. Whatever your issues with religion, they have nothing to do with Scientology. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 107 Joined: 10 Mar 2008 | It gets in the way of evolution by keeping such stupid people alive and breeding |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 945 Joined: 7 Aug 2008  | Because its a cult that makes you pay money to belong, and the people who do this are just desperate and looking for answers. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 456 Joined: 16 Nov 2008 | It isnt as dangerous as other religions. |
Muckraker  Posts: 234 Joined: 9 Dec 2008  | It is hated because it is a fraud, and because they have done some bad stuff to people. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1207 Joined: 28 Dec 2008  |
They have just completed finding your current location and are on their way to you now. On topic, it is a con and whilst many religions actually do help people by way of spirituality and charity (shock horror!), this 'religion' has only been known to cause pain, suffering, empty wallets and slightly brainwashed individuals. |
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It's not a religion. They put in a request to be recognized as such and the Germans, after an investigation, said "fuck no."
Because it's not. a. religion.