10 year old girl Rapes 4 year old boy

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Hello Escapist's in todays news competing for the most Fucked up story this year In Texas a 10 year old girl has been charged with Raping a 4 year old boy and has spent 4 days in Harris County Juvenile Detention.This incident occurred when a woman spotted the girl outside playing with the boy penis so far not much information has been given due to the ages of the people involved.

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/23224803/2013/08/21/10-year-old-charged-with-sexual-assauot

My Reaction to this event can be described as follows:


Discuss Below about what you thoughts on the matter are.

Er...she's been charged with sexual assault, not found guilty of rape, yes? And she was only charged 2 months after the complaint was raised.

Anyway, have to wait and see on this one.

Misleading title is misleading...

What do you do to a curious little girl? Charge her with sexual assault is what you do! That's sure to alleviate the issue with the least amount of stress on the child.

I'm not saying what she did was right, she should certainly be punished, but it should be in way she can understand and one that doesn't scar her for life.

Daystar Clarion:
Misleading title is misleading...

What do you do to a curious little girl? Charge her with sexual assault is what you do! That's sure to alleviate the issue with the least amount of stress on the child.

I'm not saying what she did was right, she should certainly be punished, but it should be in way she can understand and one that doesn't scar her for life.

This.

What she did was inappropriate but she was 9 years old, I seriously doubt it was sexually motivated or for the purposes of sexual gratification. She probably didnt understand the full implication of what she was actually doing.

She should be taught what is and isn't appropriate but inappropriate touching during a game of doctors doesn't really strike me as "aggravated sexual assault".

Edit: Given that this is the Escapist. Yes, I would think the same if it was a 9 year old boy.

Daystar Clarion:
Misleading title is misleading...

What do you do to a curious little girl? Charge her with sexual assault is what you do! That's sure to alleviate the issue with the least amount of stress on the child.

I'm not saying what she did was right, she should certainly be punished, but it should be in way she can understand and one that doesn't scar her for life.

Well you know misleading titles is how the Escapist's roles the professional Escapist news people do it all the time so why can't I :D.
Also the title comes from one of the quotes the people made "Quanell says, "I've never dealt with a child this young being accused of a crime. In fact this was nothing more than inappropriate horseplay that has now lead to a child that is ten years old being charged with aggravated rape."" so that where I got it from.

knight steel:

Daystar Clarion:
Misleading title is misleading...

What do you do to a curious little girl? Charge her with sexual assault is what you do! That's sure to alleviate the issue with the least amount of stress on the child.

I'm not saying what she did was right, she should certainly be punished, but it should be in way she can understand and one that doesn't scar her for life.

Well you know misleading titles is how the Escapist's roles the professional Escapist news people do it all the time so why can't I :D.
Also the title comes from one of the quotes the people made "Quanell says, "I've never dealt with a child this young being accused of a crime. In fact this was nothing more than inappropriate horseplay that has now lead to a child that is ten years old being charged with aggravated rape."" so that where I got it from.

I'll let you off, because I'm benevolent like that.

Don't do it again, or you will have to answer to the badgers, and believe me, they aren't as forgiving as I am.

Daystar Clarion:
I Love you Knight Steel your the best-So handsome,Brave and Smart-You're too good for me but.................will you marry me?

Why Yes Daystar It would be my honor to take you as my Blushing Bride ^_^.
But seriously I live In Australia do you really think a bunch of Badger can scare me?

knight steel:

Daystar Clarion:
I Love you Knight Steel your the best-So handsome,Brave and Smart-You're too good for me but.................will you marry me?

Why Yes Daystar It would be my honor to take you as my Blushing Bride ^_^.
But seriously I live In Australia do you really think a bunch of Badger can scare me?

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Do you think this is a motherfucking game?

I wouldn't aggravate the badger if I were you.

Daystar Clarion:

I wouldn't aggravate the badger if I were you.

I...think I need to start breeding goodgers just to be safe.

On topic though, well, that's, uh...a bizarre case. I mean, getting arrested for playing doctors, sheesh. I mean, where's Aldous Huxley when you need him?

Vegosiux:

Daystar Clarion:

I wouldn't aggravate the badger if I were you.

I...think I need to start breeding goodgers just to be safe.

On topic though, well, that's, uh...a bizarre case. I mean, getting arrested for playing doctors, sheesh. I mean, where's Aldous Huxley when you need him?

Just curious I'm named after Aldous Huxley so I have to ask-what's his relation to this story?

knight steel:

Vegosiux:

Daystar Clarion:

I wouldn't aggravate the badger if I were you.

I...think I need to start breeding goodgers just to be safe.

On topic though, well, that's, uh...a bizarre case. I mean, getting arrested for playing doctors, sheesh. I mean, where's Aldous Huxley when you need him?

Just curious I'm named after Aldous Huxley so I have to ask-what's his relation to this story?

In Brave New World, kids having sex at the age of 7 is considered late. Was making a reference because I didn't know what else to say >.>

Vegosiux:
Snip

Ahhhhhhhh I see is it lame that I'm named after a guy yet have never read a single one of his books?

Wait, can you even charge a 9 year old?
At least in Sweden you have to be 15 to be charged with anything.

Are you serious? I've heard plenty of stories about younguns investigating the other gender, just kids being curious.

How can it be sexual assault? Sexual assault is attacking somebody for sexual gain (well, that's how I've always thought of it) ... This is just "hey, what you got? That's different than mine!".

Towels:
Ok, WTF? Did the Escapist turn into SomethingAwful.com?

We get these "look at this fucked up thing I just read" threads every now and then. Some give better food for thought than others. Personally the title in this one is a bit misleading, a bit too yellowy.

Okay, I don't even know what to say to this. Sexual assault? If the girl was in her mid-teens, maybe I could vaguely believe that... but a ten-year-old girl isn't likely to be thinking "I'm going to have my way with this little boy and he can't stop me"; she'd likely be thinking "he has one of these things and I don't; how does it even work?". Even the Puritans would be shaking their heads in disbelief in how paranoid this country has gotten about sexuality.

Also, good job, MyFoxHouston- your article is rife with misspellings and bad grammar.

Colour Scientist:
This.

What she did was inappropriate but she was 9 years old, I seriously doubt it was sexually motivated or for the purposes of sexual gratification. She probably didnt understand the full implication of what she was actually doing.

She should be taught what is and isn't appropriate but inappropriate touching during a game of doctors doesn't really strike me as "aggravated sexual assault".

Edit: Given that this is the Escapist. Yes, I would think the same if it was a 9 year old boy.

Several things:

- Crimes can't be punished only if the active part "understand the full implication of her action", you seem to be suggesting otherwise. Of course the punishment can't be equal on a manslaughter or a murder for example, but both are crimes and bot are punished.

- A woman can have sexual desire and is perfectly capable of feeling it's pleasure since the endocrine system kicks in to release the appropriate neurotransmitters. It is debated when it precisely happens, but most sources indicate at the latest it starts with menstruation, which a 9yo is perfectly capable of so it is quite likely it was sexually motivated.

US does seem to be in need of a legislation over this, not the first case and won't be the last, but I disagree with those parts of your post.

Tanakh:

Colour Scientist:
This.

What she did was inappropriate but she was 9 years old, I seriously doubt it was sexually motivated or for the purposes of sexual gratification. She probably didnt understand the full implication of what she was actually doing.

She should be taught what is and isn't appropriate but inappropriate touching during a game of doctors doesn't really strike me as "aggravated sexual assault".

Edit: Given that this is the Escapist. Yes, I would think the same if it was a 9 year old boy.

Several things:

- Crimes can't be punished only if the active part "understand the full implication of her action", you seem to be suggesting otherwise. Of course the punishment can't be equal on a manslaughter or a murder for example, but both are crimes and bot are punished.

- A woman can have sexual desire and is perfectly capable of feeling it's pleasure since the endocrine system kicks in to release the appropriate neurotransmitters. It is debated when it precisely happens, but most sources indicate at the latest it starts with menstruation, which a 9yo is perfectly capable of so it is quite likely it was sexually motivated.

US does seem to be in need of a legislation over this, not the first case and won't be the last, but I disagree with those parts of your post.

Establishing that it's possible she's started menstruation doesn't exactly lead to 'Therefore it's likely she was sexually motivated'.

I would consider 9 and 4 to still be within the norm for "playing doctor," something that the cops shouldn't even be informed about unless there is evidence of real force or malice being used.

I got caught fooling around with a friend and relative when I was 6 or 7, and got grounded for two weeks (the friend got one week, the relative nothing, probably because she was female). My first kiss was with a girl a couple years older than me (I want to say that I was 5 and she was 8). Police involvement in either of these would have had some EXTREME negative consequences for at least one of the parties, and should be avoided where possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playing_doctor

Nine may seem like it's pushing it, but think of how many literally millions of American children have absolutely no understanding of their bodies and gender. She could easily have been experimenting like normal five or six year olds.

While this may indeed be an incident of kids just being kids, I have to wonder if the sheer amount of over-sexualization of our media didn't have some impact on her behavior.

Child molestation of a another child is a real thing and is often overlooked. I am more concerned for the boy. the article wasnt clear on the severity of it, or how the boy is doing. It didn't say anything about the boy being distressed, but if the girl got in trouble for it, i am assuming that he was. He was 4, while she was 10, she is significantly stronger and smarter than him. But if this is about the parents just being distressed aobut examination of gentials, then it gets stupider.

I don't think the girl should necessarily be put in juvie, but she does need help and a talking to. I think she is disturbed. After all, juvie/jail doesn't fix anything when it comes to rehabilitation.

Master of the Skies:
Establishing that it's possible she's started menstruation doesn't exactly lead to 'Therefore it's likely she was sexually motivated'.

No, it firmly establishes that she is, according to current knowledge, capable of feeling sexual desire and sexual pleasure; the post was in context with the quote because it seriously doubted it was a sexual act when it actually it's quite plausible.

I guess i should have posted "Therefore I find it quite likely it was sexually motivated", instead of "it is". Because the possibility of a 9yo girl feeling sexual desire is a not that rare fact, but the conclusion is my own.

Tanakh:

Colour Scientist:
This.

What she did was inappropriate but she was 9 years old, I seriously doubt it was sexually motivated or for the purposes of sexual gratification. She probably didnt understand the full implication of what she was actually doing.

She should be taught what is and isn't appropriate but inappropriate touching during a game of doctors doesn't really strike me as "aggravated sexual assault".

Edit: Given that this is the Escapist. Yes, I would think the same if it was a 9 year old boy.

Several things:

- Crimes can't be punished only if the active part "understand the full implication of her action", you seem to be suggesting otherwise. Of course the punishment can't be equal on a manslaughter or a murder for example, but both are crimes and bot are punished.

- A woman can have sexual desire and is perfectly capable of feeling it's pleasure since the endocrine system kicks in to release the appropriate neurotransmitters. It is debated when it precisely happens, but most sources indicate at the latest it starts with menstruation, which a 9yo is perfectly capable of so it is quite likely it was sexually motivated.

US does seem to be in need of a legislation over this, not the first case and won't be the last, but I disagree with those parts of your post.

But why call it rape, maybe the girl had the boys concent.

This is the definition of overthinking a subject, they are kids and she was probably just curious because she probably didnt even knew that boys had "weewees".

Even if she had sexual desires why the hell would she go after the D? Its a kid, at most she will just kiss the boy (and very likely not with tongue). Its not like she knows what an handjob is.

When it comes to rape and sexism people can be so anal sometimes...

*sigh*

What a lot of people don't realise is that this sort of activity is entirely normal for children who haven't learn boundaries yet, despite what the law may say calling this 'rape' is very dubious. A lot of jurisdictions (particularly some US states, the UK to an extent too) need to get their act together and put proper guidelines in place so childhood exploration is dealt with by the parents or carers rather than the authorities. Involving the law only serves to stigmatise and traumatise children who didn't know what they were doing, which is the opposite of the law's original intention.

josemlopes:
But why call it rape, maybe the girl had the boys concent.

This is the definition of overthinking a subject, they are kids and she was probably just curious because she probably didnt even knew that boys had "weewees".

Even if she had sexual desires why the hell would she go after the D? Its a kid, at most she will just kiss the boy (and very likely not with tongue). Its not like she knows what an handjob is.

When it comes to rape and sexism people can be so anal sometimes...

Minors can't consent, and overthinking? I guess you agree with how the whole case was developed then, because everything was done by the book as far as I could see.

My main point is: Underage people have sexuality, average start of it for girls seems to be 12 yo and for boys a bit later, and the current legislation does not deal with it properly. To avoid more cases like this an amendment would be nice, and I would like to avoid them because the way this was handled (again the proper way by law) seem to have just scarred the boy and the girl.

knight steel:

Daystar Clarion:
Cute widdle Animal

Wow that certainly *yawn* looks scary It's to bad we don't have anything like that here...............Oh wait WE DO:

Game-set-match :P

Is that a flipping Koala? Tearing something to pieces? They're carnivores? What was that thing before it become lunch and torn-up hunk of meat? Don't you guys have something like 90% of the world's poisonous snakes down there as well?

Anyways, back on topic, the girl should be talked to and made to understand. Can she really be charged with anything? What have things come to that kids are now charged with sexual assault? What about the boy? Was he harmed at all? What damage if any has been done to him? I can't remember the last time I asked so many questions. Why am I asking so many questions?

Tanakh:

josemlopes:
But why call it rape, maybe the girl had the boys concent.

This is the definition of overthinking a subject, they are kids and she was probably just curious because she probably didnt even knew that boys had "weewees".

Even if she had sexual desires why the hell would she go after the D? Its a kid, at most she will just kiss the boy (and very likely not with tongue). Its not like she knows what an handjob is.

When it comes to rape and sexism people can be so anal sometimes...

Minors can't consent, and overthinking? I guess you agree with how the whole case was developed then, because everything was done by the book as far as I could see.

My main point is: Underage people have sexuality, average start of it for girls seems to be 12 yo and for boys a bit later, and the current legislation does not deal with it properly. To avoid more cases like this an amendment would be nice, and I would like to avoid them because the way this was handled (again the proper way by law) seem to have just scarred the boy and the girl.

For me the best thing to do would just let the parents explain to the kids whatever explanation there needs to be, in this situation I dont think that the cops had any reason to get involved.

Psychobabble:
While this may indeed be an incident of kids just being kids, I have to wonder if the sheer amount of over-sexualization of our media didn't have some impact on her behavior.

Or the over-sexualisation of our media is causing people to project their own sexual awareness on to a nine year old.

josemlopes:
For me the best thing to do would just let the parents explain to the kids whatever explanation there needs to be, in this situation I dont think that the cops had any reason to get involved.

Then we would need to change the law, right? Because AFAIK right now the cops have a very good reason to get involved, the fucking law say it's their job to persecute any statutory rape.

Psychobabble:
While this may indeed be an incident of kids just being kids, I have to wonder if the sheer amount of over-sexualization of our media didn't have some impact on her behavior.

As much as I suspect it probably had something to do with it I don't want any study revealing such.

Why? I don't want some Moms With First World Problems group or whatever influencing governments to introduce more prudish media law.

But definately not rape.

cahtush:
Wait, can you even charge a 9 year old?
At least in Sweden you have to be 15 to be charged with anything.

in America yes you can, and it happens quite often. what are you supposed to do when a 9 year old beats a homeless man to death, or kills someone purposefully? charge him like an adult and send him to the adult prison, separately of course, he'll be in confinement or something away from the adults but still. yes this HAS happened, a 9 year old a 13 year, and an 17 year old went on a crime spree in Florida and had killed several homeless men, they were found guilty and charge as an adult. they were unsympathetic for what they had done, and showed no remorse. so... what are you supposed to do? send them to their rooms with no supper?

Tanakh:

Master of the Skies:
Establishing that it's possible she's started menstruation doesn't exactly lead to 'Therefore it's likely she was sexually motivated'.

No, it firmly establishes that she is, according to current knowledge, capable of feeling sexual desire and sexual pleasure; the post was in context with the quote because it seriously doubted it was a sexual act when it actually it's quite plausible.

I guess i should have posted "Therefore I find it quite likely it was sexually motivated", instead of "it is". Because the possibility of a 9yo girl feeling sexual desire is a not that rare fact, but the conclusion is my own.

I'm not seeing the evidence that most girls start it by 9. In fact a quick look at wiki says if it starts before that recent sources say it should be investigated(while older one say before 10). So right on the borderline doesn't seem very likely to be the most common age.

And then there's guessing that the motive was sexual pleasure. Just because she can feel it does not mean she will because she's touching him. So we have two possible things.

If we look at probabilities, if we call the first one even so much as high as 50% and the second is 90% then we'd get a 45% chance.

It's rather annoying to see people decide likelihood on feelings rather than reason.

Drake the Dragonheart:

knight steel:

Daystar Clarion:
Cute widdle Animal

Wow that certainly *yawn* looks scary It's to bad we don't have anything like that here...............Oh wait WE DO:

Game-set-match :P

Is that a flipping Koala? Tearing something to pieces? They're carnivores? What was that thing before it become lunch and torn-up hunk of meat? Don't you guys have something like 90% of the world's poisonous snakes down there as well?

Anyways, back on topic, the girl should be talked to and made to understand. Can she really be charged with anything? What have things come to that kids are now charged with sexual assault? What about the boy? Was he harmed at all? What damage if any has been done to him? I can't remember the last time I asked so many questions. Why am I asking so many questions?

Koala's have been known to charge at random...best not to go mean-muggin' them. o.o

OT: Sooooo curious kids playing a game of "show me yours and I'll show you mine"?

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