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Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1175 Joined: 13 Nov 2007     | I didn't refuse to upgrade because of any user-friendliness issue or even the bugs. I just refused to spend however much money they want on something that would be obsolete in fewer years than I can count on the fingers of one hand of a man suffering from advanced leprosy. They didn't even have time to start making Vista-exclusive games before the next version of Windows came out. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1065 Joined: 16 Nov 2008   | im not going to bother to upgrade, waste of time and money |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 114 Joined: 10 Aug 2008     | Man! I was really hoping that Window's would figure out that they need to drop everything about Vista and improve XP. That is all they need to do and I will be satisfied. I guess I won't be downloading Windows 7 then. Ha well thanks for the update and review man! |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2663 Joined: 20 Jul 2008     | Oh thank god. I thought it was gonna be about needing Vista to get Windows 7. The Vista interface is easy enough to navigate anyway and there are always ways to change it around through some programs. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 53 Joined: 8 Jan 2009    | I like XP way more than Vista but I still use Vista just so I can stay up with the times. It's difficult to help people fix they're computer problems if I don't know what I'm talking about. There's always going to be a learning curve with anything new though, there's no avoiding it. |
BANNED Posts: 4378 Joined: 21 Aug 2008 |
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Wordsmith Extraordinaire  Posts: 10318 Joined: 28 Nov 2007    | Where did you get that chart, Eggo? |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2721 Joined: 26 Jun 2008    | The only reason I'd ever get a new OS is if I bought a computer that had it pre-installed. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 926 Joined: 13 May 2008    |
There is a fundamental flaw with this. Well a couple, but the main one is there is no way I'm going to be training 500+ users in the use of a new operating system just because "those techniques [were] learned back in the last millennium". Screw that, productivity will be lost, people will complain, and I'll get a headache. MS may have done ok with that ribbon, yet to this day I get calls from people asking how to disable it or requesting I give them Office 2003 again. To cite a (non microsoft) recent example I experienced, a CR machine (basically, a big plasma cutting device) upgraded to the newest OS and program for which a guy I know is the operator. Only problem is now he's 10 times slower at his work. Learning a new system? Definitely a cause. Having to make 8 extra clicks and a couple of letters typed per-metallic-part-per-sheet? THE cause. Upgrading to a new system isn't always a good idea. Especially when the system changes so significantly. And you're in a work environment. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 931 Joined: 17 Sep 2008   | I just bought XP 64-bit today and have had XP pro SP3 for a while. I have not moved to Vista just because my PC would not be able to run it. I plan on buying Windows 7 as soon as it rolls off the assembly line and into my local PC store. I bought XP 64-bit today because I am planning on getting a new PC in the next month or so. I am one of the XP users who didn't hate Vista, I just had problems with an early build that put me off it, I was always planning on getting Vista but now I am not going to buy it just because Windows 7 is around the corner and so I shall wait. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2805 Joined: 4 May 2008    | I don't mind some change. What I do mind is gratuitous change, as was the case with vista. |
Paperboy  Posts: 11 Joined: 29 Oct 2008   | Come on Microsoft release ALTIMIT already! : P |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2013 Joined: 24 Sep 2008  |
They didn't make Vista-exclusive games because doing so would be sabotaging your sales in a market where Vista has less than 20% of the operating market share while XP has almost 70 nearly two years after Vista's release. I also think that comparing the lifespan of a computer, which will cost a couple thousand dollars if it is to last for several years, to that of a console, which costs mere hundreds, is disingenuous at best, and that is coming from a dyed-in-the-wool PC gamer. |
On the Record  Posts: 5623 Joined: 14 Sep 2008    | I would use Vista. If it wasn't buggy, slow and if it would actually be an improvement. I'm using it at my school computer and thanks to the "advanced" settings, I have 33MB of space on my user, so I can't install Firefox. And "new" Internet Explorer hangs up every 5 minutes if I open more than 6 pages. It's just a terrible, terrible system. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3310 Joined: 10 Oct 2008   |
I have had XP x64 Pro for about one and a half years now. I love it so much as it is simple to use and so damn stable. I never ever get blue screens or crashes. All the old problems with drivers have been taken care of. I don't know why I would ever really want to leave this kind of stability behind. I also have no idea why Microsoft disses it so much. They are fools. |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 931 Joined: 17 Sep 2008 |
You're using a school install, that is your problem.
What have Microsoft said that is bad about it? Could you please give me a link? EDIT: Added second section. |
Time Lord  Posts: 10078 Joined: 13 Feb 2008   | Let's see, occasional BSOD's or unintuitive systems? Oh, and the latter costs me more in money, resources, time and patience. When they stop supporting XP, I might go to Linux. Have they already forgotten what WYSIWYG stands for? |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 449 Joined: 15 Feb 2008   | Yes Vista is totally unnecessary and in most cases even bad. I've "downgraded" to XP again a long time ago. Vista, like any other MS os, is forced on you when buying a PC. They also try and force it on you because you'll "need" it to play games. DirX 10 would work fine on XP if they wanted it to. Vista brings NOTHING new to the world, thinking about it, pretty much no MS os ever did. They are just expensive, I mean WAAAAAAY over priced. Vista is filled with 1 thousand unnecessary gimmicks and functions (all copied/stolen from the open-source community and apple os of course) and eats about 1.5 GB more of you RAM. If it wasn't for games, I'd go Linux, I sure as hell won't go Mac. |
Time Lord Posts: 10078 Joined: 13 Feb 2008 | Whoa whoa whoa...
A 16 GIG install? That's not an OS, that's a Tesco Express. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3310 Joined: 10 Oct 2008 |
It is not what they have said, it is their support of their OS. As in no support really. They gave SP3 to XP users but forgot us users of XP x64 Pro. XP x64 Pro is like the ugly red headed step child that Gates wants to deny even lives. It is stuffed in a closet in an attempt to try and kill it slowly. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 979 Joined: 25 Sep 2008     | I don't "hate" vista, and I know you can turn those freaking annoying "ARE YOU REALLY SURE YOU WANT TO DO THIS MINOR CHANGE TO YOUR SYSTEM?!" popups, but the navigation is so awkward. Yes, anyone can get used to it. I still find XP's system to be a lot easier. Also, I still can't find my actual network connections without having to search for it for 5 minutes. XP: Control panel -> network connections. Vista: .. Control panel, I guess. Network center? From then on there are a couple of other items that lead to VPN and stuff I'm not interested in. I just want to find my LAN connection. :(
The ignorance in this post is quite strong, though. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 61 Joined: 30 Dec 2008    | The only game I can think of that needs Vista is Halo 2 for PC, everything else works with both. |
News Room Contributor  Posts: 3897 Joined: 21 Feb 2008    | I'm going off screenshots and blog posts (ok, mainly just screenshots) but it looks quite interesting. Unfortunately I can't try it because the beta upgrade only works if you have Vista, which I do not. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2013 Joined: 24 Sep 2008 |
I think they did the same thing with the PC port of Gears of War. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 105 Joined: 17 Nov 2008    | there was nothing majorly wrong with vista, most people that complain about most likly dont own it, or have never even used it. ill be looking forward to windows 7 but im just not sure i going to make the switch on the first day. and in response to the opening quote, i have to say that Jason Perlow is a bit narrow minded, change is a good thing, and take a look at how much we have changed since windows 98 i think it was all for the better. |
BANNED  Posts: 1266 Joined: 19 Dec 2008  | Screw that. Last I heard they were still supporting XP for at least another 5 years. Thats enough time for this windows 7 to die off and them to release yet another shitty OS. I likes me XP so i's going to stay with me windows XP. Plus all these "X OS exclusive" games just piss me off and make me more stubborn. User was banned for: Soldier rushes to defend post in pink boxers. (Permanent) |
Muckraker  Posts: 345 Joined: 17 Dec 2007   |
Perhaps it's just the actually computer you're using that's terrible. I use Vista on my home desktop and laptop, and both systems run flawlessly. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 648 Joined: 17 Sep 2008   | Man, its too damn soon. If Microsoft really expect me to pay for what looks like an improved version of the OS I'm currently running (Vista)... Just bung all the new shiny features in a Service Pack and release it for free! |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2142 Joined: 23 Dec 2007   | Its not vista's interface thats the problem. Its that it takes a good pc and turns it into something they where using in the 1980's. Yes vista is a time machine. |
BANNED Posts: 4378 Joined: 21 Aug 2008 |
All versions of Vista (except for Basic) requires 40GBs of hard drive space...But you won't actually use anywhere nearly 40GBs of space. It's just the amount of space used temporarily during the installation process. It's like Half Life 2 recommending 4GBs of space when it actually only takes up 3.4GBs. But HL2 is a game, not a Windows OS. Although I don't know why anyone who has the luxuries of posting on an internet forum, especially a couple thousand times and contemplating whether or not to purchase an OS which will probably cost around $200 or even more would actually care about hard drive space in the realm of 15GBs. That's about 15 cents right there. We no longer care about games and other programs taking up more than 128 MBs of RAM (oh noes!) because our standards of computing have moved on from since it was 1998. Why can't the same be true for our perceptions of an OS? User was banned for: Microsoft and the World Domination of Gaming&Communication. (Permanent) |
On the Record Posts: 5623 Joined: 14 Sep 2008 |
Not really. Dual Core @ 1.8GHz, 1 GB RAM and GeForce 5600. Okay, the graphic card isn't good. In theory even my laptop (1.6GHz dual core, 512 RAM and integrated graphics) should run Vista. But I paid extra for downgrade to XP and it works better. Any program that doesn't work well on exceeded Minimum requirements is bad optimized. |
BANNED Posts: 4378 Joined: 21 Aug 2008 |
I find the Vista/Windows 7 opflow to be far more efficient than XP's. By the way: Windows key that takes less than 10 seconds and only one mouse click; good luck with that and XP User was banned for: Microsoft and the World Domination of Gaming&Communication. (Permanent) |
Beat Writer  Posts: 192 Joined: 24 Jul 2008  | I have to say, I think 'Windows 7' is a pretty feeble name. Can't it be... pff I don't know... Windows elite, or peanut butter jelly windows or something? |
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http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=630&tag=rbxccnbzd1
For those playing around with the Windows 7 beta, what do you guys think? I haven't assembled a test bed yet for W7, so I can't vouch for anything at the moment. If I remember right though, the same conclusions above also held true for the new Ribbon UI in Microsoft Office. And Microsoft ended up being pretty successful in that venture, heh.