"13 Reasons why" I can't find the charm

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My brother came to me with the series saying it's one of the best shows he ever saw and after watching 4 episodes I just gave up on it. The show is so slow, there's an hour long episode for about 5 minutes of tape and I'm sure that if they cut each episodes in half absolutely nothing of value would have been lost. Also I just find Hanna to be... psychotic and a hypocrite, taking the chance she'll ruin the lives of people (with at the very least Alex acts being minor) and not saying a word to her parents.

Is there some reason to continue?

I knew beforehand I wasn't the target audience, but I decided to see it. I gave up after 3 episodes. It made me want to play Life is Strange again. I suppose it's talking about some serious themes but the whole cassette tapes, drawing a map, etc, felt kind of silly. Maybe it's because like I said, I'm not the target audience.

I had to Google this one. It's a tv show about rape, suicide, mental abuse, and just generally terrible people being terrible? How nice...
Is this what qualifies as entertainment these days?! Jeez, go watch My Little Pony or Samurai Jack!

I have NOT seen the show. However, everyone I have seen talk about the show has said the same exact thing; the show is slow. Like....reeeeeeeeeally slow. Like...the tortoise is wondering what the hell is the hold-up slow.

With that, I have been told that it does slightly pick up later but overall, is a pretty damn slow show. I have heard people say they liked the show but everyone has said that it's "Walking Dead on Hersel's Farm" slow and never really picks up.

I have also heard that even with the slowness, it's good but I've only heard one person who finished it and a lot of people complain about how slow it is so take that for what you will :)

I'm not familiar with this one either (but then, I'm usually out of the loop when it comes to these things). Apparently the show is an adaptation of a young adult novel by the same name. But yeah, just skimming the plot synopsis shows that it deals with some pretty heavy topics. Not exactly my cup of tea (the real world is often depressing enough as is), but then I'm not the target audience either.

Silentpony:

Is this what qualifies as entertainment these days?! Jeez, go watch My Little Pony or Samurai Jack!

And Steven!
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So can somebody give me one good reason (or 13) to watch this series?

Everyone on my god damn newsfeed keeps talking about it, and I'm just sitting here, looking for someone to talk about the ending of the season of The Expanse.

It kinda sounds like one of those shows about your standard world weary 17 year olds.

Yeah, this show is all over my various social media feeds and I can just tell it's not for me based on who's posting about it. I'm sure it's a competent show but it really looks to be resonating with 20 something ladies looking back on their own school-age drama and trauma.

Ah yes I heard of that. I'm glad teens are being offered good drama. But it's still drama aimed at teenagers so I'll pass.

Silentpony:
Is this what qualifies as entertainment these days?!

I for one am glad that fiction is not just about entertainment.

Worgen:
It kinda sounds like one of those shows about your standard world weary 17 year olds.

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Guess every few years we gotta dust that one off....

Ooooooooh so it's that show I've been seeing all those youtube previews for. Okay then. It looked pretty goddamn depressing merely from those, so having it also be slow isn't really a point in its favor.

Cowabungaa:
Ah yes I heard of that. I'm glad teens are being offered good drama. But it's still drama aimed at teenagers so I'll pass.

Silentpony:
Is this what qualifies as entertainment these days?!

I for one am glad that fiction is not just about entertainment.

Isn't life depressing enough without needing to seek out more reasons to be depressed?
Trumps's president, the economy is terrible, the planet is dying, Mass Effect sucked, got student loans to pay back, and celebrities I like keep dying. I know! I'll watch a show about teenagers getting raped! That'll make me feel more better, 'cause at least its realistic.

Silentpony:

Cowabungaa:
Ah yes I heard of that. I'm glad teens are being offered good drama. But it's still drama aimed at teenagers so I'll pass.

Silentpony:
Is this what qualifies as entertainment these days?!

I for one am glad that fiction is not just about entertainment.

Isn't life depressing enough without needing to seek out more reasons to be depressed?
Trumps's president, the economy is terrible, the planet is dying, Mass Effect sucked, got student loans to pay back, and celebrities I like keep dying. I know! I'll watch a show about teenagers getting raped! That'll make me feel more better, 'cause at least its realistic.

I suppose that part of the point is providing outlets for teens going through the same things and providing ways to cope (assuming that the show is about that, I have no idea)

While rousing optimistic entertainment is nice, it's sometimes easier to deal with depression by watching someone else deal with it and overcome it as well

undeadsuitor:

Silentpony:

Cowabungaa:
Ah yes I heard of that. I'm glad teens are being offered good drama. But it's still drama aimed at teenagers so I'll pass.

I for one am glad that fiction is not just about entertainment.

Isn't life depressing enough without needing to seek out more reasons to be depressed?
Trumps's president, the economy is terrible, the planet is dying, Mass Effect sucked, got student loans to pay back, and celebrities I like keep dying. I know! I'll watch a show about teenagers getting raped! That'll make me feel more better, 'cause at least its realistic.

I suppose that part of the point is providing outlets for teens going through the same things and providing ways to cope (assuming that the show is about that, I have no idea)

While rousing optimistic entertainment is nice, it's sometimes easier to deal with depression by watching someone else deal with it and overcome it as well

Considering the show starts after the main character kills herself "overcome" isn't really the right word.

inu-kun:

undeadsuitor:

Silentpony:

Isn't life depressing enough without needing to seek out more reasons to be depressed?
Trumps's president, the economy is terrible, the planet is dying, Mass Effect sucked, got student loans to pay back, and celebrities I like keep dying. I know! I'll watch a show about teenagers getting raped! That'll make me feel more better, 'cause at least its realistic.

I suppose that part of the point is providing outlets for teens going through the same things and providing ways to cope (assuming that the show is about that, I have no idea)

While rousing optimistic entertainment is nice, it's sometimes easier to deal with depression by watching someone else deal with it and overcome it as well

Considering the show starts after the main character kills herself "overcome" isn't really the right word.

I was about to say this. Suicide as a solution to your problems is a main theme of the show apparently.

Silentpony:

Isn't life depressing enough without needing to seek out more reasons to be depressed?

It depends to whom you ask.

inu-kun:

undeadsuitor:

Silentpony:

Isn't life depressing enough without needing to seek out more reasons to be depressed?
Trumps's president, the economy is terrible, the planet is dying, Mass Effect sucked, got student loans to pay back, and celebrities I like keep dying. I know! I'll watch a show about teenagers getting raped! That'll make me feel more better, 'cause at least its realistic.

I suppose that part of the point is providing outlets for teens going through the same things and providing ways to cope (assuming that the show is about that, I have no idea)

While rousing optimistic entertainment is nice, it's sometimes easier to deal with depression by watching someone else deal with it and overcome it as well

Considering the show starts after the main character kills herself "overcome" isn't really the right word.

But like I said before, I haven't seen the show, I was just referring to the merits of sad shows in general

The more I hear about this show the more it sounds awful though

inu-kun:

undeadsuitor:

Silentpony:

Isn't life depressing enough without needing to seek out more reasons to be depressed?
Trumps's president, the economy is terrible, the planet is dying, Mass Effect sucked, got student loans to pay back, and celebrities I like keep dying. I know! I'll watch a show about teenagers getting raped! That'll make me feel more better, 'cause at least its realistic.

I suppose that part of the point is providing outlets for teens going through the same things and providing ways to cope (assuming that the show is about that, I have no idea)

While rousing optimistic entertainment is nice, it's sometimes easier to deal with depression by watching someone else deal with it and overcome it as well

Considering the show starts after the main character kills herself "overcome" isn't really the right word.

After the show started airing, it seems there was a spike of calls to help centers and suicide hotlines in several countries. If the reaction to the show is to seek for professional help, I would say it deserves a chance.

Sounds like it's definitely not for me, namely because it's a TV show and it's not Game of Thrones. I'm not much of a TV watcher anymore. Heck, my roommate recently converted our living room TV into a giant computer.

CaitSeith:
After the show started airing, it seems there was a spike of calls to help centers and suicide hotlines in several countries.

Yeah, I've heard of people who have attempted suicide or are suicidal that it made them feel worse.
That being said, people deal differently with traumatic things and personally things that trigger suicidal ideation in many suicidal people tend to have the opposite effect on me...
That being said I barely watch tv these days so I haven't checked it out.

Slowwwww as helllllll but very very very emotive. I had experience of a girlfriend trying to kill herself to manipulate me into loving her again so maybe I'm a little more sensitive to this than others, but it does show (again, really fucking slowly) how little and big things can contribute to thoughts of suicide. The rape and self harm scenes weren;t too graphic.

I got halfway through the first episode before turning it off due to how boring and slow it was. Instead I started watching 11/22/63 and that mini-series is awesome.

My girlfriend likes it. I think it's crap.

I mean I'm genuinely a dark angsty person but I keep seeing this on Netflix and everytime the description turns me off. I don't care what caused some teenager to kill herself.

I'd rather watch something like Bojack Horseman and see him struggle to find meaning in his existence, as that I can relate more to.

Silentpony:
I had to Google this one. It's a tv show about rape, suicide, mental abuse, and just generally terrible people being terrible? How nice...
Is this what qualifies as entertainment these days?! Jeez, go watch My Little Pony or Samurai Jack!

How is samurai jack? I've been waiting for the episodes to stack up a bit before I watch them. Is Gendy involved in this?

DudeistBelieve:
I mean I'm genuinely a dark angsty person but I keep seeing this on Netflix and everytime the description turns me off. I don't care what caused some teenager to kill herself.

I'd rather watch something like Bojack Horseman and see him struggle to find meaning in his existence, as that I can relate more to.

Silentpony:
I had to Google this one. It's a tv show about rape, suicide, mental abuse, and just generally terrible people being terrible? How nice...
Is this what qualifies as entertainment these days?! Jeez, go watch My Little Pony or Samurai Jack!

How is samurai jack? I've been waiting for the episodes to stack up a bit before I watch them. Is Gendy involved in this?

Its decent. The first couple of episodes are slow, and the pacing seems a little off. Jack has PTSD and he keeps seeing ghosts and shit, and the scenes go one too long and sometimes even stop the action.
Once the daughters of Aku are involved it great pretty great. There's a few episodes were they fight, and its beautifully animated. And I mean like...breathtakingly animated.

and I don't think Gendy is involved. It doesn't say he is on his Wiki page.

Neverhoodian:
I'm not familiar with this one either (but then, I'm usually out of the loop when it comes to these things). Apparently the show is an adaptation of a young adult novel by the same name. But yeah, just skimming the plot synopsis shows that it deals with some pretty heavy topics. Not exactly my cup of tea (the real world is often depressing enough as is), but then I'm not the target audience either.

Silentpony:

Is this what qualifies as entertainment these days?! Jeez, go watch My Little Pony or Samurai Jack!

And Steven!
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And Steven!

CaitSeith:
So can somebody give me one good reason (or 13) to watch this series?

There's a documentary also on Netflix called Audrie and Daisy. I'd recommend that instead. It's pretty much the same theme. But watch this show if you like guys riding bicycles, moms telling their sons to wear a helmet, guys riding bicycles with a helmet this time, cool kids driving old mustangs, cassette tapes, guys pretending to play video games, etc.

The guy "playing" fake Call of Duty really bothered me.

inu-kun:
My brother came to me with the series saying it's one of the best shows he ever saw and after watching 4 episodes I just gave up on it. The show is so slow, there's an hour long episode for about 5 minutes of tape and I'm sure that if they cut each episodes in half absolutely nothing of value would have been lost. Also I just find Hanna to be... psychotic and a hypocrite, taking the chance she'll ruin the lives of people (with at the very least Alex acts being minor) and not saying a word to her parents.

Is there some reason to continue?

Im on episode 6. I enjoy it. But im super curious by nature. I want to know what clay did. Also speaking of Clay, this kid is a fucking idiot. I hate this self-righteous prick so much. He won't even finish listing to all the tapes before fucking peoples shit up. Hey asshole, you're on the tapes too! Get to your own tape before judging everyone.

Unfortunately i cant keep reading this thread because I'm afraid of spoilers.

inu-kun:
psychotic and a hypocrite, taking the chance she'll ruin the lives of people (with at the very least Alex acts being minor) and not saying a word to her parents.

She admits throughout the tapes that she makes mistakes. The tapes are less about how everyone else is wrong. And more about how everyone made her feel isolated and lonely in school. It's all of the shitty aspects of highschool piled onto one student. It's highly unlikely that anyone went through school without dealing with anything relatable to the series.

It either raises awareness to something that someone was subjected

It's not even a complicated plot. The other students picked on her, turned her into the school slut (despite the fact that she never has sex through the entire series), acted on the reputation while objectifying her, and when it finally came to something serious..

cont.. she was turned away when she tried to get help. And in the meantime, she was isolated from everyone, her friends were throwing her under the bus at every turn, and she lost her only reliable friend because..

I personally found it aimed too much at millennials. But the premise was solid. I know what it's like to be friends with shitty kids in school. I've known a few girls who have been victims of sexual assault. And I remember rumors and videos circulating my schools objectifying girls over various things. Including porn videos, stories and pictures.

It's on my to-watch list. But currently watching the one with the new Aquaman being a fur trader and have just finished The Get Down (which I really liked). Also Designated Survivor, though I wish Sutherland would speak up a bit.

Zontar:
Everyone on my god damn newsfeed keeps talking about it, and I'm just sitting here, looking for someone to talk about the ending of the season of The Expanse.

I couldn't make it all the way to the end of that, but I got to the end of Ascension if you want to talk about that.

Kibeth41:

inu-kun:
psychotic and a hypocrite, taking the chance she'll ruin the lives of people (with at the very least Alex acts being minor) and not saying a word to her parents.

She admits throughout the tapes that she makes mistakes. The tapes are less about how everyone else is wrong. And more about how everyone made her feel isolated and lonely in school. It's all of the shitty aspects of highschool piled onto one student. It's highly unlikely that anyone went through school without dealing with anything relatable to the series.

It either raises awareness to something that someone was subjected

It's not even a complicated plot. The other students picked on her, turned her into the school slut (despite the fact that she never has sex through the entire series), acted on the reputation while objectifying her, and when it finally came to something serious..

cont.. she was turned away when she tried to get help. And in the meantime, she was isolated from everyone, her friends were throwing her under the bus at every turn, and she lost her only reliable friend because..

I personally found it aimed too much at millennials. But the premise was solid. I know what it's like to be friends with shitty kids in school. I've known a few girls who have been victims of sexual assault. And I remember rumors and videos circulating my schools objectifying girls over various things. Including porn videos, stories and pictures.

The problem the tapes themselves are immoral, if she wanted to screw the people who caused her suicide going to the police would achieved something, or at least having it as a suicide letter so her parents could also know why. Having tapes while having the people in them be at the risk of their lives being destroyed if they get out (especially with how monstrous some of the people in it) just puts all of them at risk as well as causing some people who did minor things like Alex feeling suicidal themselves.

Basically she should have thought a bit what can happen by those tapes rather than playing a lottery which can cause further deaths and harm for "I'll show those guys". Having a shitty high school life does not give you a morality license.

inu-kun:

The problem the tapes themselves are immoral, if she wanted to screw the people who caused her suicide going to the police would achieved something, or at least having it as a suicide letter so her parents could also know why. Having tapes while having the people in them be at the risk of their lives being destroyed if they get out (especially with how monstrous some of the people in it) just puts all of them at risk as well as causing some people who did minor things like Alex feeling suicidal themselves.

Basically she should have thought a bit what can happen by those tapes rather than playing a lottery which can cause further deaths and harm for "I'll show those guys". Having a shitty high school life does not give you a morality license.

If she went to the police or to her parents, either nothing would be done, or the students would be punished. Neither of which she wanted.

She left the tapes because she wanted to make the 13 people know what they did, while only punishing them if they were ignorant.

It's a TV show, and a teen drama. It's not a hard plot. If you don't like it. Don't watch it. But at least now you can't question the concept.

Oh, and to explain Alex's tape. He was her friend and he objectified her because he wanted his girlfriend to feel jealous. And that ruined Hannah's other friendship.

It also builds up to the end of the season. Where she feels that..

Silentpony:

inu-kun:

undeadsuitor:

I suppose that part of the point is providing outlets for teens going through the same things and providing ways to cope (assuming that the show is about that, I have no idea)

While rousing optimistic entertainment is nice, it's sometimes easier to deal with depression by watching someone else deal with it and overcome it as well

Considering the show starts after the main character kills herself "overcome" isn't really the right word.

I was about to say this. Suicide as a solution to your problems is a main theme of the show apparently.

I dont even like the show and yet I can see how full of shit you are, in no way is suicide shown as a solution.

And also, your views in what entertainment content should be about are really bad. By your logic we wouldnt have True Detective, The Pianist, Saving Private Ryan, Buried, etc... only sunshine and rainbows.

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