26 year later: The new season of Twin Peaks.

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SmallHatLogan:

SmallHatLogan:
My main hope for the new series is that Lynch takes some cues from modern serialised shows in terms of structure. I'd prefer a more focused story where everything ties into the main plot as opposed to the soap opera-ish nature of the original series with a bunch of unrelated stories running in parallel. In fact, it's probably an unpopular opinion but I kind of hold Fire Walk With Me as the gold standard of Twin Peaks storytelling. It's not my favourite part of the overall plot and it was a bit disappointing that it was a prequel but it's basically all of the stuff I like about Twin Peaks condensed into a couple of hours with all of the unnecessary fluff removed.

Just quoting myself since I'm revisiting my remarks.

After watching the first four episodes they've definitely dropped the soap opera format, but instead of taking it in a more modern TV direction it's more like a David Lynch movie stretched out into a TV series. It definitely has Fire Walk With Me and Mullholland Drive vibes. People have been making Eraserhead comparisons as well (particularly in regards to "the arm") but I haven't seen it so I can't comment.

So it's not what I expected and not exactly what I was hoping for, nonetheless I'm enjoying it a lot so far. I do find myself missing the light heartedness of the original as well as the accompanying quirky soundtrack (even Fire Walk With Me had some cool jazz tracks) but it's not a deal breaker. I don't really have any issues with the series as a whole so far, but episode 4 got pretty tedious. I hope they drop this unresponsive Coop shit sooner rather than later.

So far the series pretty slow in general but episode 4 and four had a lot of comic relief that didn't seem to move the plot forward. Of course some great stuff in there as well, the first 15 minutes of episode 3 (which, so far, was the most reminiscent of Eraserhead), Bobby Briggs getting emotional over a picture of Laura, the buddy cop exploits of Albert and Gordon (Also... man, that scene between Gordon and Denise. Whenever I think I couldn't respect Lynch more he surprises me) but I agree, as funny as his Mister Jackpot routine was, Amnesiac Cooper is gonna get pretty old if they're gonna keep him like that for much longer. Just as Andy and Lucy's whole lovable idiots shtick seems a bit forced. I mean, I get the joke about the cellphone, she's stuck in the nineties, haha, but they're going to over the top with them to an extent the original show didn't.

I did like Wally Brando though. It's a pretty simple joke, he's a dorky kid who acts like Marlon Brando, but Cera's performance and that silly ass pretentious monologue just kinda sell it. May the road rise to meet his wheels.

the December King:
Was that Joan Chen in the Vault By the Sunless Sea where Cooper was Shunted to, the one with no eyes?

That's Nae Yuuki playing "Naido". Whether she's meant to represent or relate to Josie in any way, I don't know. For that matter that second woman billed as "American Girl" (the one that warns Coop about her mother) is played by Phoebe Augustine, who played Ronette Pulaski in the show.

Johnny Novgorod:

the December King:
Was that Joan Chen in the Vault By the Sunless Sea where Cooper was Shunted to, the one with no eyes?

That's Nae Yuuki playing "Naido". Whether she's meant to represent or relate to Josie in any way, I don't know. For that matter that second woman billed as "American Girl" (the one that warns Coop about her mother) is played by Phoebe Augustine, who played Ronette Pulaski in the show.

My better half picked Phoebe out instantly. Just further fucked with my head, really. I'm the poor sap that just can't accept the fact that it's most likely that Frost and Lynch have no rules, and beyond a really loose narrative are both mad. Not that they aren't brilliant, but... well, you know.

the December King:

Johnny Novgorod:

the December King:
Was that Joan Chen in the Vault By the Sunless Sea where Cooper was Shunted to, the one with no eyes?

That's Nae Yuuki playing "Naido". Whether she's meant to represent or relate to Josie in any way, I don't know. For that matter that second woman billed as "American Girl" (the one that warns Coop about her mother) is played by Phoebe Augustine, who played Ronette Pulaski in the show.

My better half picked Phoebe out instantly. Just further fucked with my head, really. I'm the poor sap that just can't accept the fact that it's most likely that Frost and Lynch have no rules, and beyond a really loose narrative are both mad. Not that they aren't brilliant, but... well, you know.

Shit, I just realized Nae Yuuki is in Inland Empire - with Terry Crews???

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Anyway, I do think they play by the rules - it's just that they make up the rules along the way.

Is there any signification to Jacques Renault manning the Bang Bang Bar?

Sonmi:
Is there any signification to Jacques Renault manning the Bang Bang Bar?

That is indeed the same actor (Walter Olkewicz) but he's credited as playing "Jean-Michel Renault". Either another Renault brother or Jacques' son.

the December King:

My better half picked Phoebe out instantly. Just further fucked with my head, really. I'm the poor sap that just can't accept the fact that it's most likely that Frost and Lynch have no rules, and beyond a really loose narrative are both mad. Not that they aren't brilliant, but... well, you know.

I kinda think they know what they're doing and have it pretty planned out. Lynch... yeah, he's insane, but there's always been a method to it even in his most obtuse work and the lady in the Purple Room being Ronette probably isn't a coincidence. Well, unless they just gave random parts to actors who wanted to return but whose characters they couldn't fit in, that's not impossible, but I doubt it.

I liked Alan Wake (decided to try replaying it, but on Nightmare) and Deadly Premonition (redownloaded it, but holding off trying to get back into it yet). So perhaps Twin Peaks is up my alley, even started the first episode, but I dunno... I know who the killer is, and wonder if my enjoyment will be hampered by that, or if I will even enjoy the show regardless. Wake and Deadly Premonition have the advantage of being video games, which I find more engaging than a TV show.

I imagine a show like Twin Peaks to take its time getting into things, which I can respect, but I dont know if my attention will hold long enough.

I've heard of twin peaks and I gotta say I'm mildly interested...however with the original was it ever like a "lost" situation where you basically got zero answers? And if this new series exists to "finally" answer everything then...that's not really my thing

Vault101:
I've heard of twin peaks and I gotta say I'm mildly interested...however with the original was it ever like a "lost" situation where you basically got zero answers? And if this new series exists to "finally" answer everything then...that's not really my thing

No, not quite like that. The original was just cancelled before it could wrap up its plot threads and ended on basically a cliffhanger. However, by some strange coincidence it also had the line "I'll see you again in 25 years" so now is actually a pretty appropriate time to pick it up again.

Vault101:
I've heard of twin peaks and I gotta say I'm mildly interested...however with the original was it ever like a "lost" situation where you basically got zero answers? And if this new series exists to "finally" answer everything then...that's not really my thing

Pretty much everything was answered by the end of season two (for good or bad) regarding the show's many mysteries. It just so happened that the show was cancelled just as it was really getting into its own mythology, leaving open countless posibilities that appeared to be ultimately wasted. Kind of like what happened to Carnivale.

Drathnoxis:
Did you hear that Zach? Twin Peaks is getting a new season!

Directed by David Lynch in 1990-1991, it followed the investigation of a young woman in a small town. Kyle MacLachlan did a great job as Special Agent Dale Cooper. He evoked such confidence and intelligence, with just a hint of mystique. It's an image of the FBI that has stayed with me all these years, it even helped inspire me to join the bureau. The show ended on a cliff hanger though, I've always wondered what really happened in that lodge. I know Zach, once this case is over we should watch the new season and find out together.

Zach, is there something here that you want to check out? We're supposed to go through Anna Graham's file at the Sheriff's office, but if you want to act on a hunch, then I'm with you.

omg I love you :P

I'm so excited that this has been revived. And I'm glad that the entire original series is on Now Tv. I get to binge watch it again!

Yeah, I saw the first 5 episodes of the new Twin peaks. All I can really say that watching Agent cooper acting like an OAP with dementia is mind blowingly boring

mad825:
Yeah, I saw the first 5 episodes of the new Twin peaks. All I can really say that watching Agent cooper acting like an OAP with dementia is mind blowingly boring

I think they're heading there.
What's OAP?

Just watched the sixth episode. This is the most fun I've had with a TV show in years.
And for the record, that twist about "she" (as in "where she drinks")? Totally called it.

Johnny Novgorod:
Just watched the sixth episode. This is the most fun I've had with a TV show in years.
And for the record, that twist about "she" (as in "where she drinks")? Totally called it.

Welp, it was either gonna be Diane or Audrey and Audrey's actress already stated not having a large role in the new show.

Still, episode 6 probably was the best one since the pilot. It felt very Fire Walk With Me during all the scenes set in Twin Peaks. Used some of the same locations too if I'm not mistaken.Also, the dwarf murdering that lady with an ice pick while that corny hip hop beat was playing had me laughing out loud.

Also, I still find Mr. Bean Cooper entertaining. Especially now that they've actually started playing him for drama.

PsychedelicDiamond:

Johnny Novgorod:
Just watched the sixth episode. This is the most fun I've had with a TV show in years.
And for the record, that twist about "she" (as in "where she drinks")? Totally called it.

Welp, it was either gonna be Diane or Audrey and Audrey's actress already stated not having a large role in the new show.

It was more about guessing Diane AND that she'd be played by Laura Dern. It's the kind of fancasting that never happens to me.
The dwarf scenes were hysterical. Is "midget" frowned upon now? Cooper uses that word to describe The Man from Another Place.

Johnny Novgorod:

What's OAP?

It's an acronym for "old age pensioner". Typically means that a person is very old and thus qualifies for state pension in the UK.

Oh my god things actually happened that moved the plot forward this episode!

PsychedelicDiamond:
Oh my god things actually happened that moved the plot forward this episode!

I like how everything is slowly inching towards Coop. Finding Laura's missing pages at the sheriff's (complete with Annie's rescue message), Ben Horne getting Coop's hotel room keys (can they track him down that way?) and Diane confirming more or less definitely for Gordon and Albert that there's an Evil Coop out there. Not sure how long they're going to keep Good Coop in catatonia though. Do you think that'll last the whole show or is he going to get back on track before that?

Johnny Novgorod:

PsychedelicDiamond:
Oh my god things actually happened that moved the plot forward this episode!

I like how everything is slowly inching towards Coop. Finding Laura's missing pages at the sheriff's (complete with Annie's rescue message), Ben Horne getting Coop's hotel room keys (can they track him down that way?) and Diane confirming more or less definitely for Gordon and Albert that there's an Evil Coop out there. Not sure how long they're going to keep Good Coop in catatonia though. Do you think that'll last the whole show or is he going to get back on track before that?

Your guess is as good as mine, obviously, but I'm gonna say he's not gonna come to his senses until at least the last four episodes, if not until the very last one. I might very well be completely wrong about this but they're obviously building up Coopers return as this big, cathartic moment and I think this means they'll do everything to sustain that tension for as long as they can and push it to the breaking point. My prediction is that in the last few episodes Cooper will get his memories back and return to Twin Peaks for a last confrontation with his doppelg?nger. And, for an even more specific prediction, I think that confrontation might end with him sacrificing himself to banish evil Coop. Again, I might be wrong, maybe that would be too predictable and Lynch is gonna subvert everyones expectations but it's a possibility at least.

As cynical an approach as Lynch sometimes takes to storytelling I genuinely think he's too fond of Cooper as a character to leave him like that for the rest of his life. It's pretty clear that the real Coop is still somewhere in there and that Mike is trying to make him snap out of it. I'm gonna say it'll have something to do with him meeting someone he recognizes. Could be Diane, Gordon, Albert or, hell, they might be building up to having him meet Harry Truman on his deathbed.

That's just me throwing out some theories but considering the way the narrative is progressing so far I could see these things happen.

PsychedelicDiamond:

Johnny Novgorod:

PsychedelicDiamond:
Oh my god things actually happened that moved the plot forward this episode!

I like how everything is slowly inching towards Coop. Finding Laura's missing pages at the sheriff's (complete with Annie's rescue message), Ben Horne getting Coop's hotel room keys (can they track him down that way?) and Diane confirming more or less definitely for Gordon and Albert that there's an Evil Coop out there. Not sure how long they're going to keep Good Coop in catatonia though. Do you think that'll last the whole show or is he going to get back on track before that?

Your guess is as good as mine, obviously, but I'm gonna say he's not gonna come to his senses until at least the last four episodes, if not until the very last one. I might very well be completely wrong about this but they're obviously building up Coopers return as this big, cathartic moment and I think this means they'll do everything to sustain that tension for as long as they can and push it to the breaking point. My prediction is that in the last few episodes Cooper will get his memories back and return to Twin Peaks for a last confrontation with his doppelg?nger. And, for an even more specific prediction, I think that confrontation might end with him sacrificing himself to banish evil Coop. Again, I might be wrong, maybe that would be too predictable and Lynch is gonna subvert everyones expectations but it's a possibility at least.

As cynical an approach as Lynch sometimes takes to storytelling I genuinely think he's too fond of Cooper as a character to leave him like that for the rest of his life. It's pretty clear that the real Coop is still somewhere in there and that Mike is trying to make him snap out of it. I'm gonna say it'll have something to do with him meeting someone he recognizes. Could be Diane, Gordon, Albert or, hell, they might be building up to having him meet Harry Truman on his deathbed.

That's just me throwing out some theories but considering the way the narrative is progressing so far I could see these things happen.

I too thought maybe they'd sneak in Harry Truman at the last moment, despite Michael Ontkean's retirement and not showing up in the cast list. I started thinking that when his brother called him in the last episode and gave that "beat this thing" line. Killing Harry off like that would be beneath Lynch, I hope. And what would be the point? Either kill him off between seasons because the actor's not returning or don't even bring him up. Toying with our expectations about his health like that... even if he gets better in another phone call, what would be the point of continuing this charade of "he's totally on the other side of the line" and "oh, you just missed him"?

As for what snaps Cooper out of "Dougie Jones", I haven't got a clue. I thought it would be coffee at first. Now I don't know. If I were writing this as a fanfic it would be Audrey or Harry. Gordon and Diane make sense too. Or something regarding Laura. So far I think the show has been very good to its fans, the way it's going about with Where Is Everybody Now and all, so I have reasonable hope that the ending will do some justice to the character.

Samtemdo8:

He's the arm. And he sounds like this: whoop whoop whoop.

Seriously though: have you seen the old show? He was the dwarf. In case you haven't seen the old show: there was a dwarf in it. In the movie it turned out that he was the arm of the spirit named Mike (you know, the one who's missing an arm) that he cut off after he had a revelation because it made him do terrible things. And then it became its own living entity. Again, a dwarf in a red suit. He turned into a tree with a brain because, uh... well, I don't know. The real life reason is probably because the actor who used to play him is now a literal Nazi who accuses Lynch of raping his own daughter. Why he transformed into a tree in universe I can't tell you but obviously the spirits of the black lodge are pretty incomprehensible creature.

PsychedelicDiamond:

Samtemdo8:

He's the arm. And he sounds like this: whoop whoop whoop.

Seriously though: have you seen the old show? He was the dwarf. In case you haven't seen the old show: there was a dwarf in it. In the movie it turned out that he was the arm of the spirit named Mike (you know, the one who's missing an arm) that he cut off after he had a revelation because it made him do terrible things. And then it became its own living entity. Again, a dwarf in a red suit. He turned into a tree with a brain because, uh... well, I don't know. The real life reason is probably because the actor who used to play him is now a literal Nazi who accuses Lynch of raping his own daughter. Why he transformed into a tree in universe I can't tell you but obviously the spirits of the black lodge are pretty incomprehensible creature.

I never watched the series until my brother showed me a handful of episodes fairly recently.

I remember the Dwarf, but did not fully comprehend that he is supposed to be the Tree thing.

So yeah I am only midly interested in the show but only until its finished and on Netflix because I can only afford HBO and can't sub to Showcase was it?

Samtemdo8:

PsychedelicDiamond:
He turned into a tree with a brain because, uh... well, I don't know.

Is it supposed to be a sycamore tree? Like the one mentioned in the song in the finale of season two (and the movie).

In that same episode the dwarf tells Cooper "When you see me again, it won't be me". I don't know if that's just a stroke of awesome luck that would allow for the dwarf to be replaced in-universe or it was always meant to be that way. I also don't know if Michael J. Anderson went bonkers before or after Lynch turned him down for the revival.
The song also shows up in the movie:

Drathnoxis:
Did you hear that Zach? Twin Peaks is getting a new season!

Directed by David Lynch in 1990-1991, it followed the investigation of a young woman in a small town. Kyle MacLachlan did a great job as Special Agent Dale Cooper. He evoked such confidence and intelligence, with just a hint of mystique. It's an image of the FBI that has stayed with me all these years, it even helped inspire me to join the bureau. The show ended on a cliff hanger though, I've always wondered what really happened in that lodge. I know Zach, once this case is over we should watch the new season and find out together.

Zach, is there something here that you want to check out? We're supposed to go through Anna Graham's file at the Sheriff's office, but if you want to act on a hunch, then I'm with you.

You put a huge smile on my face reading this.

Also I heard Persona's Velvet Room is inspired by Twin Peaks. I also know Lynch voiced the bartender in The Cleveland Show.

Any way I can watch this? I have Netflix and Hulu.

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Sheesh.

Episode 8 was quite something, wasn't it? I didn't expect Lynch to go full Eraserhead on us. But he actually did it. The absolute madman. I think the whole sequence with the giant and the lady in the fancy dress might just be one of my favourite sequences in Lynch's entire filmography. We actually live in a time where this runs on TV. Think about that for a moment. Just think about it.

RaikuFA:

Drathnoxis:
Did you hear that Zach? Twin Peaks is getting a new season!

Directed by David Lynch in 1990-1991, it followed the investigation of a young woman in a small town. Kyle MacLachlan did a great job as Special Agent Dale Cooper. He evoked such confidence and intelligence, with just a hint of mystique. It's an image of the FBI that has stayed with me all these years, it even helped inspire me to join the bureau. The show ended on a cliff hanger though, I've always wondered what really happened in that lodge. I know Zach, once this case is over we should watch the new season and find out together.

Zach, is there something here that you want to check out? We're supposed to go through Anna Graham's file at the Sheriff's office, but if you want to act on a hunch, then I'm with you.

You put a huge smile on my face reading this.

Also I heard Persona's Velvet Room is inspired by Twin Peaks. I also know Lynch voiced the bartender in The Cleveland Show.

Any way I can watch this? I have Netflix and Hulu.

Depends where you are in the world.
In the States it's only available through Showtime. It's also on Hulu, but you have to buy the Showtime add-on.
I think, but I'm not sure, it's also available through Amazon Prime.
You could use Showtime's free trial, though you have to cancel it on the final day if you don't want to get charged.
Netflix is streaming the show in certain parts of the world, like Latin America. Not in the States at the moment.

Catherine, also by Atlus, has a little bit of Twin Peaks in it as well. Also some parts of Silent Hill 4: The Room.

Anybody else still watching this? I'm getting a little bit sick of Dougie but otherwise I'm loving the show.

Johnny Novgorod:
Anybody else still watching this? I'm getting a little bit sick of Dougie but otherwise I'm loving the show.

I have some catching up to do but I think part of the issue is it was filmed as an 18 hour movie. Not a serialised show. Makes it really difficult to watch on a weekly basis. at least for me it does.

Johnny Novgorod:
Anybody else still watching this? I'm getting a little bit sick of Dougie but otherwise I'm loving the show.

Really? Because this episode he finally kinda clicked for me. Him making friends with those two mob bosses was such a genuinely funny and yet kinda touching moment. I dunno, it's like Cooper's such a thoroughly good and kind person that even when he's half catatonic people still fall in love with him. There's something kinda... cute about that. I mean, obviously the whole plotthread is sortof a parody of stuff like Breaking Bad or Fargo, about ordinary people getting mixed up in those crime dramas but the real joke is: Dougie makes it out of everything unscathed without having to do anythiing, just with his childlike innocence. I dunno, I find it entertaining to watch.

CheetoDust:

Johnny Novgorod:
Anybody else still watching this? I'm getting a little bit sick of Dougie but otherwise I'm loving the show.

I have some catching up to do but I think part of the issue is it was filmed as an 18 hour movie. Not a serialised show. Makes it really difficult to watch on a weekly basis. at least for me it does.

It really does show they didn't give much thought to the TV format, they just chopped an extraordinarily long movie into 18 pieces. So the episodes aren't really structured as such; they pick up and drop out without forming a "proper" three-act arc. It makes things interesting and unpredictable but also disorienting, since you never really know who or what will carry over to the next episode, who or what will be "important" to the overall show, etc.

PsychedelicDiamond:

Johnny Novgorod:
Anybody else still watching this? I'm getting a little bit sick of Dougie but otherwise I'm loving the show.

Really? Because this episode he finally kinda clicked for me. Him making friends with those two mob bosses was such a genuinely funny and yet kinda touching moment. I dunno, it's like Cooper's such a thoroughly good and kind person that even when he's half catatonic people still fall in love with him. There's something kinda... cute about that. I mean, obviously the whole plotthread is sortof a parody of stuff like Breaking Bad or Fargo, about ordinary people getting mixed up in those crime dramas but the real joke is: Dougie makes it out of everything unscathed without having to do anythiing, just with his childlike innocence. I dunno, I find it entertaining to watch.

I do enjoy Dougie and the posse of weirdoes he's up against (reminds me a little bit of Wild at Heart, down to the assassin hotline). I haven't seen the latest episode yet (so I'm not reading too much into your post) but I admit he's providing a very emotional, very touching angle here and there. I guess I just want the old Cooper back and I'm getting impatient about it.

Johnny Novgorod:

I do enjoy Dougie and the posse of weirdoes he's up against (reminds me a little bit of Wild at Heart, down to the assassin hotline). I haven't seen the latest episode yet (so I'm not reading too much into your post) but I admit he's providing a very emotional, very touching angle here and there. I guess I just want the old Cooper back and I'm getting impatient about it.

You know, that's an interesting comparison. Wild at Heart was about a couple travelling to Las Vegas while a group of eccentric gangsters are chasing them... and of course they never actually get to Las Vegas. Dougies plotline is set in an around Las Vegas and he's still struggling with a group of eccentric gangster who have it out for him.

Maybe it's coincidence, on the other hand a lot of this season is Lynch revisiting ideas from his earlier movies. I'm just waiting for someone to get on a lawnmower. That'd make me happy, I always felt that Straight Story was secretly one of his best movies.

PsychedelicDiamond:

Johnny Novgorod:

I do enjoy Dougie and the posse of weirdoes he's up against (reminds me a little bit of Wild at Heart, down to the assassin hotline). I haven't seen the latest episode yet (so I'm not reading too much into your post) but I admit he's providing a very emotional, very touching angle here and there. I guess I just want the old Cooper back and I'm getting impatient about it.

You know, that's an interesting comparison. Wild at Heart was about a couple travelling to Las Vegas while a group of eccentric gangsters are chasing them... and of course they never actually get to Las Vegas. Dougies plotline is set in an around Las Vegas and he's still struggling with a group of eccentric gangster who have it out for him.

Maybe it's coincidence, on the other hand a lot of this season is Lynch revisiting ideas from his earlier movies. I'm just waiting for someone to get on a lawnmower. That'd make me happy, I always felt that Straight Story was secretly one of his best movies.

I finally saw the latest episode. I liked it a lot, but I'm still hung up on Cooper snapping out of it. Eleven episodes down and seven to go I guess it's only going to happen in the finale or the episode before that. I'm also bummed Shelly is no longer with Bobby. Now the silly fanboy in me is hoping Red turns on her and Bobby comes to the rescue + back with her. This is the only show where I give a crap about things like that.

As to "Lynch Watch" we have so far:

Eraserhead (most of episodes 3 and 8)
Dune (the space business - and Brian Eno-ish soundtrack - from episode 8)
Blue Velvet (always felt pretty close to Twin Peaks to begin with)
Wild at Heart (the comedy lineup of botched assassination attempts)
Fire Walk With Me (duh)
Lost Highway (the Hastings character, Mr. C's intro and the doppelg?nger/replacement decoy plot)
Mulholland Dr. (similar narrative, structure and aesthetic - down to having the same DP)
Inland Empire (see above, plus the whole "chopping up dozens of hours of random footage into a story" vibe)

I'm missing Elephant Man and Straight Story.
(I'm also missing Audrey and Big Ed, where the hell are they?)
((Also did you catch Donna's sister being Steven's lover? ))

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