Anyone watched Spider-Man Homecoming? (spoilers inside)

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So I came back watching it hours ago and since we no longer got a review article, I figure I asked about what you think about it on here.

Just to be clear, while I did like Sam Rami version but it has been years I've watched it so I'm not sure rewatching it again, it will hold up (I remember the parade balloon animals were bad cgi). Also I have yet watched the Amazing version either as I had a feeling it would suck and I was proven right.

Overall, I enjoyed it. Marvel did it right by bringing that character back to its roots by making that character an actual teenager than being a older teen ready to graduate. I also loved how it was refreshing by some of the changed it did comparing to the previous version (as mention in the above spoiler) like the location and certain stuff happened in the films.

Sure it kinda got annoying at time mainly for Peter being a teenager. We all know he was over his head but hey I felt that what the character would had done in the comicbooks.

Also if you're thinking of staying behind for the end credit scene, I say it's not worth it unless you want to be troll! The end credit is a parody of something that happened throughout the film and it has no relevent with the expending universe!

Hmyeah it was okay.
A lot of the movie seems to be a commentary on itself.

*Peter chastising RDJ for literally phoning in his involvement.
*Everybody commenting on his aunt being hot, like they know they keep de-aging the character.
*Peter's fat sidekick getting pumped about being his "guy in the chair".
*The way Spidey and Vulture's suits do the combat for them, kind of how CGI does the combat for Holland and Keaton.
*Donald Glover showing up in a conciliatory cameo after the fans raved about it for so long.
*Chris Evans literally pleading to camera how many more of these he has to make before he's let go. He's talking about Cap's corny videos but it might as well be referring to Evans' noted insistence on quitting the character.
*Even the title is basically just celebrating Spider-Man "coming home" to Marvel. I can't think of any other relevant "homecoming" in the plot and no, the fucking dance doesn't count.

And having Peter try to save a public transport and in the process get symbolically crucified is really just a desperate attempt to reminds us of one of the best moments in Spider-Man 2, AKA the last good one.

Scarim Coral:
Still didn't they mention the Vulture surname and it didn't end with Allen?

They call him Mr. Toomes in the very first scene. Never gets the official "Vulture" nickname though (I think).

Johnny Novgorod:

They call him Mr. Toomes in the very first scene. Never gets the official "Vulture" nickname though (I think).

Oh yeah. I guess that is his nickname? Which I was thinking if it was related to the minor villain Tombstone. Yeah he was never called Vulture either or rather Spidy was the one who gave him that nickname.

Scarim Coral:

Johnny Novgorod:

They call him Mr. Toomes in the very first scene. Never gets the official "Vulture" nickname though (I think).

Oh yeah. I guess that is his nickname? Which I was thinking if it was related to the minor villain Tombstone. Yeah he was never called Vulture either or rather Spidy was the one who gave him that nickname.

I don't think the alias is even said aloud. Spidey leaves the cops a note saying "caught that vulture thing for you" or something to that effect. I did like how they went around with the Shocker/s though. And Scorpion.

The film was okay. No, I don't think its as good as the first 2 Raimi films, but judging on its own interpretation, I found it very underwhelming.

honestly, i think i appreciated it more than the sam raimi ones. maybe not better but at least on par with them. The story was good, it was funny, and overall enjoyable.

and best end credit everm with marvel litterally trolling it's audience with it...

Always thought the Raimi films bordered on trash. Poorly cast, schlocky, paint by numbers. The "Amazing" variants had some better casting but suffered from inane scripts and pedestrian direction. Among the A-List superheroes no one has suffered more cinematic indignities than Spiderman (unless you count the Fantastic Four as "A-List").

"Homecoming" is quite decent. Holland captures the essence of the character and the film benefits from the steadying hand of the MCU. Those who find that cinematic universe a bit stagnant and overly commercial will no doubt find similar complaints here. It's a Marvel movie down to its bones.

As a major Spider-Fan, I've been dreading this since Civil War. Now that I've seen it, Homecoming kind of pissed me off. It's the closest to my dream Spider-Man movie that any of the movies so far have gotten that I hated it.

On its own Homecoming is an okay movie, I guess. The plot was largely forgettable, and more or less met the standard we've come to expect from your typical Marvel movie. It was average.

The movie was fine, but Spidey's competence throughout the movie was all but nonexistent mostly just for the sake of cheap slapstick and it really dragged down a movie that would have been a lot better otherwise. No moment more clearly illustrates this than the fight against the ATM robbers. Any other version of Spider-Man including those just as young as this version and just as inexperienced would have effortlessly kicked these guys asses in the space of about 10 seconds to a minute tops, likely before they even knew he was there. This Spider-Man instead walks straight up to them and announces his presence like an idiot, then gets into a several minute long fight scene that ultimately results in the whole bank being destroyed along with a Deli across the street.

It only gets much, much worse from there, in fact Spidey screws up at everything he tries to do throughout the whole movie, to the point that everybody involved would probably be better off if he did nothing, and even when he finally manages to defeat the villain he can't even do it without destroying a plane that probably cost hundreds of millions of dollars. I get that he's supposed to be young and new to being a superhero but come on, this Spider-Man is so green he looks like he got his powers an hour before the time of the movie with no attempt to train, not been active for months.

Not to mention that Tom Holland has proven he's an absolutely terrible Peter Parker and Spider-Man. Like Toby Macguire Tom has only one mode, HE'S LIKE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT EVERYTHING GUYS!!! FOR REAL DUDE!!! While Toby was the perpetual frowner who even when he's supposed to be happy looks and sounds like he's currently contemplating suicide, Tom just looks and sounds like he's so excited he's ten seconds away from giving himself a heart attack and on top of that peppers his speech with a bunch of painful slang.

Andrew Garfield got both Peter Parker and Spider-Man down perfectly. He's an awkward loser nerd, gets superpowers, then drops that and gains some confidence in himself. Then he spends some time practicing his abilities and then goes out and fights crime and it goes from there. Tom Holland just doesn't have the acting chops to do half as good as that.

I didn't like a lot of the casting in the movie.

Holland just sounds too excited and out of breath all the time.

The fat friend is annoying.

Flash is a HUGE dork, which completely undermines the bully dynamic he's supposed to have with Peter.

"MJ" doesn't look like she could pull off playfully calling Peter "tiger" and that's a goddamn outrage.

Bokeem Woodbine and Donald Glover are criminally underused.

Michael Keaton as Vulture is great however.

It also annoyed me how Spiderman is the direct cause of pretty much ALL of the collateral damage in the movie. He's made out to be almost completely incompetent for the sake of some laughs, and I feel like it really takes away from the character.

Somehow I still enjoyed the movie quite a bit despite these flaws.

immortalfrieza:
The movie was fine, but Spidey's competence throughout the movie was all but nonexistent mostly just for the sake of cheap slapstick and it really dragged down a movie that would have been a lot better otherwise. No moment more clearly illustrates this than the fight against the ATM robbers. Any other version of Spider-Man including those just as young as this version and just as inexperienced would have effortlessly kicked these guys asses in the space of about 10 seconds to a minute tops, likely before they even knew he was there. This Spider-Man instead walks straight up to them and announces his presence like an idiot, then gets into a several minute long fight scene that ultimately results in the whole bank being destroyed along with a Deli across the street.

It only gets much, much worse from there, in fact Spidey screws up at everything he tries to do throughout the whole movie, to the point that everybody involved would probably be better off if he did nothing, and even when he finally manages to defeat the villain he can't even do it without destroying a plane that probably cost hundreds of millions of dollars. I get that he's supposed to be young and new to being a superhero but come on, this Spider-Man is so green he looks like he got his powers an hour before the time of the movie with no attempt to train, not been active for months.

Not to mention that Tom Holland has proven he's an absolutely terrible Peter Parker and Spider-Man. Like Toby Macguire Tom has only one mode, HE'S LIKE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT EVERYTHING GUYS!!! FOR REAL DUDE!!! While Toby was the perpetual frowner who even when he's supposed to be happy looks and sounds like he's currently contemplating suicide, Tom just looks and sounds like he's so excited he's ten seconds away from giving himself a heart attack and on top of that peppers his speech with a bunch of painful slang.

Andrew Garfield got both Peter Parker and Spider-Man down perfectly. He's an awkward loser nerd, gets superpowers, then drops that and gains some confidence in himself. Then he spends some time practicing his abilities and then goes out and fights crime and it goes from there. Tom Holland just doesn't have the acting chops to do half as good as that.

See I'm on the opposite. I found both Tom and Tobey fit the characters of both Peter and Spider-Man quite well. Andrew worked okay with Spider-Man only in the first Amazing, but I thought he was a terrible Peter Parker. As for Amazing 2, yeah, that wasn't Peter Parker. That was just Andrew Garfield being himself and his Spider-Man felt like he was acting as a tamer version of Deadpool

I enjoyed the movie a lot. The Raimi movies were fine and their own thing- lurid, fun, and over-the-top- but I believed Parker as a fifteen-year-old kid and the high school dynamics on display a hell of a lot more than I've believed the "real" lives surrounding the characters in any of the previous incarnations. Even with Iron Man coming in periodically, it still created a more "believable" world for me.

Also, the Vulture they created was believable and even not entirely unsympathetic; certainly a character with consistent and credible motivation for his actions, which is more than can be said for most of the chemically-unbalanced megalomaniacs of past Spider-Man movies.

I liked that Peter's actions had consequences, that there were people in his life who were both worried about him and feeling helpless to intervene or uncertain as to how to do so (which is a pretty accurate portrayal of how a lot of parents feel about teenage children), that Flash was a bully without being the usual big high school jock. I liked the reveals, both big and small (including the one that leads to the final pre-stinger line of the film, which had me roaring with laughter.)

I liked that Spidey had confrontations with people who turned out not to be altogether bad. I even liked the playful interactions with the new suit's AI.

I may be the outlier, but I'm not burned out on the MCU at all. I'm just pleased at how consistently enjoyable they've been. Even the "second stringer" films like Hulk, Thor, and Iron Man 2 have been far more watchable than, say, any of the Transformers movies.

I look forward to seeing this iteration of the character again. Hopefully they get to it before it becomes too incredible that Holland is playing a teenager.

Dirty Hipsters:

It also annoyed me how Spiderman is the direct cause of pretty much ALL of the collateral damage in the movie. He's made out to be almost completely incompetent for the sake of some laughs, and I feel like it really takes away from the character.

Prett much why I could't feel sympathetic to the character. Okay, why did you portray the kid as an engineering genious if he had the bright idea to take a glowing core out of a weapons stash, then bring it to the school worshop to poke it, then put it in his friend's backpack and then act suprised when it explodes and puts people in an accident.

Spiderman was so incompetent that I was rooting for the Vulture by the end, since he was the far more determined character and was generally far more relatable in his motivations.

Just like the first 2 Sam Raimi ones, I felt that the most memorable part was the villain. Micheal Keaton was excellent. I've known for years that he could pull off a convincing bad guy and he did not disappoint here.

One thing I hated was the whole "no one is listening to the kid" element. I've had a hate on for that trope since I was over exposed to it from 80s and movies. In fact, the whole subplot where Tony Stark was watching and simultaneously ignoring Peter was a real drag on the story. It might have been good if handled well but as it was I simply annoyed with it.

Too much obsession with the idea of the bad guys knowing who Peter is. Any other actor playing Vulture and I would not have believed him not selling Peter out once on the inside.

Tricked up Spidey suit feels like it undermines his whole blue collar poor street level hero thing. Minor quibble.

I enjoyed it though. But only about as much as the Thor movies which so far have been consistently at the bottom of the pack for me.

cathou:
honestly, i think i appreciated it more than the sam raimi ones. maybe not better but at least on par with them. The story was good, it was funny, and overall enjoyable.

and best end credit everm with marvel litterally trolling it's audience with it...

Anyway, regardless of anything, it was quite refreshing not seeing Peter Parker get bit by a spider, AGAIN, and witness his uncle die, AGAIN, for a change. I overall enjoyed the movie really.

I liked it, felt like when I was watching Spidey 15 years ago :D
Vulture was freakin' brilliant!!

Dirty Hipsters:
I didn't like a lot of the casting in the movie.

Holland just sounds too excited and out of breath all the time.

The fat friend is annoying.

Flash is a HUGE dork, which completely undermines the bully dynamic he's supposed to have with Peter.

"MJ" doesn't look like she could pull off playfully calling Peter "tiger" and that's a goddamn outrage.

Bokeem Woodbine and Donald Glover are criminally underused.

Michael Keaton as Vulture is great however.

That's another thing that's annoying about the movie, NONE of the characters in it look or act even remotely like the characters they're named after except maybe Flash, either the classic or ultimates versions, including Peter Parker. The Vulture is the only one who really benefits from this, because he gets understandable motivations and his Vulture suit looks awesome.

It had more soul than the GOTG 2 and Strange and it was cool Spidey screwed up and didn't always find crime. But there wasn't any chemistry with the Liz, she appears to basically pull a Green Goblin scenes. Michael Keaton was wonderful and a bit more developed than (all bar Loki) Marvel villains.

And MJ, dear god, MJ. What did they do to you?

I liked it and reviewed it already. I liked that it managed to not be an origin movie, which seems to be a really big ask for Marvel these days. I also liked that Michael Keaton sells the shit out of the villain, with this OTT, blue collar bastard routine. I also liked that Peter Parker himself was nice and sincere, and not some wise cracking smug jerk like every other Marvel hero.

I didn't like how the fight scenes got a bit muddy and unclear at times, despite having some cool situations and villain designs. I also didn't like how the female love interest, despite being established as a genius, still basically does the same old Spiderman thing of either being a damsel in distress, or a complaining downer. The Spiderman franchise seems to really have it in for women.

I like it. Like Tom Holland as Spidey and Peter and Got annoyed with Ned too quickly. Michael Keaton, dude, I need to see him in some more movies because he is so so gooooooooooooooooooooooooooood.

Could you guys recommend any other movies Michael stars in that is excels at? Yes, Birdman is on the list.

However, From Guardians of the Galaxy Vol2 to now Spider-mam Homecoming, I am feeling more fatigue for the MCU with each movie. I liked King Arthur: Legend of the Sword MORE than Guardians of the Galaxy Vol2. The MCU fatigue is kicking in sadly. I hope Star Wars don't feel the same while Disney/Lucasfilms pump out more and more movies each year.

Please Thor take me away from the fatigue.

Marvel/Fox? Keep doing what you are doing away from Bryan Singer. Logan and Deadpool were great and if the rumours are true about a horror twist in one of your new movies, then do it. Imaging comic book heroes, mutants mostly, in a horror setting is unique n different.

I enjoyed it. The fact that the cast actually looks like a bunch of high school kids in modern-day NYC should be a no-brainer, and yet there are still the butthurt legions who can't get over it. Also, Michael Keaton is now up there with Vincent D'Onofrio as my favorite MCU villain.

Yeah, it's still obviously a Marvel movie. Marvel keeps a very tight leash on their talent for better or worse. I just don't think that precludes a movie being good.

Best Marvel movie villain yet by far. Rest of the movie was fairly mediocre. There were a bunch of little things that bugged me, and the more I think about the movie the more they bug me. On the flipside, the more I think about how the villains were done in this movie the more I love it. I wish those would just kinda cancels each other out instead of leaving me confused what my opinion was of a movie I didn't even want to see to begin with, which further compounds the internal conflict.

Parasondox:
Could you guys recommend any other movies Michael stars in that is excels at? Yes, Birdman is on the list.

He's very good in Spotlight. It's an ensemble cast but he's pretty much front and center.

I always thought he was very good in Multiplicity as well. It's the movie Harold Ramis made right after Groundhog Day and while nowhere near as good it has some of the charm. Plus it's a great showcase of Keaton as a comic actor (he plays four roles).

Also Gung Ho. It's not a very good movie but I have a soft spot for it because my dad worked in it (and hated Keaton :P).

Parasondox:

Could you guys recommend any other movies Michael stars in that is excels at? Yes, Birdman is on the list.

Add The Founder to your list.

Loved it. It might be early to tell, but I think it's the best Spider-Man movie.

Tom Holland was the first actor to nail both Peter Parker and Spider-Man on screen.

The villain was better than most MCU villains, but still pretty meh. It just didn't have an arc of its own like Alfred Molina's Doc Ock.

Johnny Novgorod:

Parasondox:
Could you guys recommend any other movies Michael stars in that is excels at? Yes, Birdman is on the list.

He's very good in Spotlight. It's an ensemble cast but he's pretty much front and center.

I always thought he was very good in Multiplicity as well. It's the movie Harold Ramis made right after Groundhog Day and while nowhere near as good it has some of the charm. Plus it's a great showcase of Keaton as a comic actor (he plays four roles).

Also Gung Ho. It's not a very good movie but I have a soft spot for it because my dad worked in it (and hated Keaton :P).

Hawki:

Parasondox:

Could you guys recommend any other movies Michael stars in that is excels at? Yes, Birdman is on the list.

Add The Founder to your list.

Thank you for the recommendation. Ahh gotta rewatch Bettlejuice. Have not seen that in over a decade.

I enjoyed the movie. Wasn't amazing, but still a good time.

I think Tom was a good choice but someone needs to tell him to chill with the teenager-ness. Keaton was great as the Vulture but should have had more screentime. I like that he didnt die at the end. It's high time superhero movies stop killing off their big bads after a single movie. Zendaya's character better not really be MJ because I cannot stand her. Young hot Marisa Tomei is funny. Damage Control product placement annoyed me.

Overall I think it could have been better but I enjoyed it. The movie is the start of a new MCU that is really beginning to take advantage of a shared universe (besides the Avengers movies).

It was alright.

Tom Holland may be a little overeager but he's likable and funny in the role, same goes for all his school mates, I found their enthusiasm infectious and I can easily imagine they all had a blast making this film together.

Michael Keaton was awesome and his role and actions as a villain actually suited his moniker as the Vulture moreso than his comic book counterpart.

Although it was strange how his motivation seemed to better position him as an enemy of Iron Man more than Spiderman.

I don't feel this film was any better than any of the previous incarnations (yes including The Amazing Spiderman) it was still a lot of fun.

It also annoyed me how Spiderman is the direct cause of pretty much ALL of the collateral damage in the movie. He's made out to be almost completely incompetent for the sake of some laughs, and I feel like it really takes away from the character.

For the sake of some laughs? Really, I must have missed that because what I saw was a movie in which this new superhero is being mentored by one of The Avengers with a view to gaining his skills, getting used to his new suit and being told specifically, several times through out the movie to keep to the small time stuff, like he was doing prior to Civil War, and that even when The Avengers aren't getting involved in the larger stuff their is still a system at work in the background to make sure the bad guys aren't getting away with it.

A movie in which Peter is so desperate to impress, so desperate to get the next call up to The Avengers that he gets in way above his head, i.e hacking the suit and taking the training wheels off, going after someone who was already on Stark's radar and as a result things go wrong.

This movie was an origin story but with a twist. Most origin stories spend the first act showing how they got their powers, the second act showing them getting used to their powers while ramping up the bad guy and the final scene is them coming to terms with their powers and beating the bad guy. This movie skipped the first part and spent most of it's run time focusing on the him getting used to his powers.

Laughing Man:

It also annoyed me how Spiderman is the direct cause of pretty much ALL of the collateral damage in the movie. He's made out to be almost completely incompetent for the sake of some laughs, and I feel like it really takes away from the character.

For the sake of some laughs? Really, I must have missed that because what I saw was a movie in which this new superhero is being mentored by one of The Avengers with a view to gaining his skills, getting used to his new suit and being told specifically, several times through out the movie to keep to the small time stuff, like he was doing prior to Civil War, and that even when The Avengers aren't getting involved in the larger stuff their is still a system at work in the background to make sure the bad guys aren't getting away with it.

A movie in which Peter is so desperate to impress, so desperate to get the next call up to The Avengers that he gets in way above his head, i.e hacking the suit and taking the training wheels off, going after someone who was already on Stark's radar and as a result things go wrong.

This movie was an origin story but with a twist. Most origin stories spend the first act showing how they got their powers, the second act showing them getting used to their powers while ramping up the bad guy and the final scene is them coming to terms with their powers and beating the bad guy. This movie skipped the first part and spent most of it's run time focusing on the him getting used to his powers.

So you're saying that the scene where he's flailing around getting dragged by a van and crashing into things isn't just bad slapstick? He says during a different part of the movie that he's strong enough to stop a speeding bus, but here he can't even stop a shitty van.

How about the scene where some bad guys are ripping off an ATM and instead of stopping them he decides to stand there, and then announces his presence all so that he can make jokes about their masks?

How about when he stops the elevator at the Washington monument, and then after getting everyone out safely the elevator just drops down and drags him with it bouncing him around, all for laughs.

Yes it's an origin story about him getting used to the new suit and his powers, but Spiderman fails at LITERALLY EVERYTHING he does in the movie in some way. Even when he wins he loses, all for laughs.

Dirty Hipsters:

Yes it's an origin story about him getting used to the new suit and his powers, but Spiderman fails at LITERALLY EVERYTHING he does in the movie in some way. Even when he wins he loses, all for laughs.

Isn't that the point? He fails at everything because he became too arrogant after being smacked around by 90+ year old man in Civil War. This is almost the direct cause of his fuckup with the bank robbers. Same with the elevator scene, that wouldn't have happened if he had just gone straight to happy. Which he totally could have. The movie is an series of failures culminating in Tony taking his suit away. It takes this to make him remember that he is Spider-man not to get Stark's attention or to be part of the Avengers, but because he has the power to help people. Not to mention losing even while winning is practically the definition of Spider-man. He's beat the bad guy but lost the girl so many times they probably have a page on Facebook where they discuss how cool it is to be boned upside down.

I definitely agree though that his collateral damage was just for laughs. He was tearing so much shit up I expected them to make it part of the story, and he would go back to that area and do some repairs, or at the very least show a scene where he does his best to avoid collateral damage.

Best version of Spider-Man, which is enough to make up for all my other issues with it.

No Harry, which may mean no Norman, aka Green Goblin, who not only is the most important Spider-Man villain, but an important Marvel villain.

They ruined The Shocker in a way that felt like a personal "fuck you" to me.

Flash...wow, Flash. I thought I was going to be upset with MJ, but they didnt even try with Flash. That character is not Flash, not one bit.

Also, thats 2 references to Ferris Bueller's Day Off in 2 Marvel movies.

Im glad Vulture survived. Good to see they do intend to set up the Sinister Six.

Saelune:

No Harry, which may mean no Norman, aka Green Goblin, who not only is the most important Spider-Man villain, but an important Marvel villain.

They ruined The Shocker in a way that felt like a personal "fuck you" to me.

Flash...wow, Flash. I thought I was going to be upset with MJ, but they didnt even try with Flash. That character is not Flash, not one bit.

I have a feeling they are gonna reserve the Osborns for whenever Miles will take up the mantle of Spider-man. It would be interesting to see Marvel's take on the Green Goblin's appearance.

How did they ruin the Shocker? I don't know much about the guy, I've seen him been made fun of and also be a tough guy villain.

I agree about Flash though. Its a good idea to have Peter being bullied by a more modern bully, but I really liked stories where Peter actually gets close to Flash because it turns out Flash isn't a bad guy at all, he just has a shit time at home. This Flash however is just a giant asshole.

Bob_McMillan:

Saelune:

No Harry, which may mean no Norman, aka Green Goblin, who not only is the most important Spider-Man villain, but an important Marvel villain.

They ruined The Shocker in a way that felt like a personal "fuck you" to me.

Flash...wow, Flash. I thought I was going to be upset with MJ, but they didnt even try with Flash. That character is not Flash, not one bit.

I have a feeling they are gonna reserve the Osborns for whenever Miles will take up the mantle of Spider-man. It would be interesting to see Marvel's take on the Green Goblin's appearance.

How did they ruin the Shocker? I don't know much about the guy, I've seen him been made fun of and also be a tough guy villain.

I agree about Flash though. Its a good idea to have Peter being bullied by a more modern bully, but I really liked stories where Peter actually gets close to Flash because it turns out Flash isn't a bad guy at all, he just has a shit time at home. This Flash however is just a giant asshole.

I dont want Miles. I dont like him. Plus he means Peter is dead, fuck that. Goblin is important to Spider-Man and The Avengers. I'd like them to build him up in Spider-Man then eventually have him become a big Marvel baddie, especially since we might never get Dr. Doom.

They killed off the Shocker just to replace him with a black guy, cause they really want to be blatant about turning everyone they can into another ethnicity.

I like classic Flash better, especially cause he is supposed to be "stronger" than Peter, but actually isnt. I'd be fine with him turning hero later though, cause he usually does. This Flash is just annoying though.

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