As some of you may or may not be perfectly aware of, if not to say goddamn sick of, the Transformers 2 movie has been out for a short while now and has recieved various reviews from each end of the scale. I went to see the premieré at 00:01 sharp - not because I'm particularly interested in the Transformers franchise, (I've never seen the series, never owned an action figure, hell, I never even saw the first movie) but because some friends of me dropped by my house with free tickets to a film that we assumed could keep us entertained for approximately two and a half hour.
I wouldn't say that I was dissappointed when I left the cinema; after all I didn't really have any expectations to speak of when I went in there. I do however know that although there wasn't much to it when it came to acting provess and plot, the action scenes in the film where pretty breathtaking at times. I would even go as far as to say it gave me goosebumps during the highlights of the robo-brawls.
...and then, about a week later, I stumbled upon MovieBob's review of Transformers: Revenge of The Fallen on the Escapist. Recalling his previous review of Drag Me To Hell as something average-decent-'meh', I figured "what the heck" and felt like killing some time while being crippled by a particularly sturdy case of the flu. My first thought after seeing the review was: "Who the hell does this guy think he is?" My second thought was: "Well that was a terrible demise for a relatively fresh film critic."
He opens the review quite discrete (not) by pointing out how the huge-ass wrecking bot towards the end of the film didn't spend enough time doing awesome stuff and instead sucked a hole (LOL) in the ground and tore down a pyramid. As if that weren't badass enough. He also expressed an apparent dislike for the movie's play on "robo-testicles", an element who brought a tiny smirk on my face, but apparently made his face look like The Scream after discovering that he had a nasty case of the crabs. Then he moves on to stating that the first Transformers film was "the worst movie of the century so far", blatantly dismissing hot candidates such as Death Race and The Number 23 (we can talk about those later).
And yeah, ok, so the story weren't great, I'll give him that. It seems though that he's not particularly fond of humans in general, seeing as he means that the majority of them were pretty worthless in Transformers 2. (Decepticon ideology anyone? hurr hurr) Oh yes, and the transformer design: MovieBob doesn't shy away from the fact that the robots would have looked so much better if they were molded according to colourful toys you got from 80's Kellogg's boxes, rather than alien technology. And then he makes a feeble attempt in defending this argument (and countering what I just did, presumably) by going on a completely unrelated delve into stuff such as funds spent, good books that made bad movies, bad books that made good movies, Jesus and Batman.
And what's with the completely unfair dismissal of the plot during his review? I mean, god, he starts off by making what I assume was intended to be a short yet cluttered summary of the film, but breaks it off before he can even make it sound complicated by going "OH-GOD-FUCKING-CHRIST-DEAR" and then jumping on Michael Bay as if he were the equivalent of Hitler. Yes, MovieBob, Michael Bay directs what I like to call "actiony action movies that are accessible to the general audience". What you like to call it, I don't know, but I guess it would be something along the lines of "clueless, evil art-terrorism of extreme viciousness and mass-destruction", judging by the way you skin the director in your horrible review. And you don't like the humans in the film, well, I guess you're entitled to that opinion, but I think it's more than just a general understanding that a large, mixed audience would have an easier time relating to some random douchebags running around trying not to get stomped on, than some douchebag-robots beating up other douchebag-robots. So Michael Bay mixes these two elements together. It's not Oscar material, but it works.
Also, I don't know if MovieBob's got problems with his eyes or something, maybe he should go check, because the "blurred, messy, blahblahblah-WHIIINE" action scenes he's talking about aren't there. What I saw was beautifully animated action that made my neck hair stand. Ok, the plot sucks, the robo twins are less fun than they could be, Megan Fox sucks (ka-ch$ng) but the action did it for me. I went to the movies to see mindblowing action, and that's what I got. I'm guessing his fucked-up prejuditive fanboy glasses might have coated it all in something that could unmistakably be the tears over toys turned into droids...wait...
...I just used the word 'fanboy' didn't I? OH MY LORD, IT LOOKS LIKE I MIGHT HAVE REACHED THE PEAK OF MY REVIEW ON YOUR REVIEW, MOVIEBOB. Let me look inside my big book of Benjamin Croshaw quotes;
*cough*
"I am not a fanboy-YES YOU ARE! Your excessive fanboyism to a franchise that you obviously loved in your childhood and teen years (hopefully not adult though, that's the point where it becomes weird) has blocked your ability to make a decent review. Instead, your making a feeble attempt on 'negative for the sake of negativity'. Yahtzee have had success with a negative approach, but that's because he's got a certain amount of style and credibility, and whatever respect you had time to build up, you just lost forever, atleast in my eyes. You talk fast, you insult, but it's all pointless, hateful propaganda against a film that puts no emphasis on fanservice, and a whole fucklot on emphasis on explosions, oil and engine parts (that's blood and gore, fyi). It's not a film I would buy to my DVD collection, but it was a nice, nighttime cinema experience. I sure could do without the romance parts, especially considering that I was in a group consisting exclusively of other males, but the dissatisfaction of the skewed plot, tears and smoochie-smoochie quickly disappeared in the action scenes and the half-witted humor. It's obviously not fanservice, but who told us that it was gonna be? As an example: the newest Batman movie that MovieBob so carelessly promotes as a good film certainly did stray away a good bit from the original comic, but you don't criticize it for that, why? I'll tell you why;
Because you're a transformers-fanboy, not a batman-fanboy. You let your premature views consume your reviews, and that's why I will never, ever watch a review from you again, and at the same time take it seriously.
EDIT: CLARIFICATION Y'ALL A lot of you don't seem to grasp that what I'm criticizing here isn't the fact that MovieBob didn't like the film. I wouldn't go see it again. But he's taking the entirely_wrong_approach. I am well aware that everyone is entitled to their own opinions and such, but using that against me is an act of extreme redundancy. As is the act of saying "your opinion doesn't matter any more than others". Of course it doesn't. Also, go around and serve that dish in every single thread in this board, I'll wait, because there are certainly no-one around here that has an opinon of higher importance.
Your opinion of Transformers 2 is fine, loads of people like it. You've failed to realize that most self-respecting critics have lambasted Transformers as horrible. MovieBob's was just one of the MANY negative reviews of the movie. You're in the minority here. Not MovieBob. Basically, just get over it.
I'm sorry if this came off as rude or something, but your... post (review, rant, something. I don't think it belongs in this section...) was totally unwarranted.
Personally, I like MovieBob a lot and mostly agree with his review. And no, I don't care about the other Transformers -- I just thought it was a crappy action movie.
mjhhiv: Well, someone got up on the wrong side of bed.
I somehow feel my view and phrasing is less negative than what MovieBob did.
mjhhiv: Your opinion of Transformers 2 is fine, loads of people like it.
mjhhiv: You've failed to realize that most self-respecting critics have lambasted Transformers as horrible.
Firstly; yay contradiction. Secondly; I'm entitled to my opinion as much as MovieBob is. Being an "official" critic doesn't make you more 'right' than anyone else. Besides, if MovieBob had lamblasted Transformers on account of a poor plot and script, I could have accepted that as a reasonable and professional review. However, he lashes out on the film because it's not made the way he wanted it to be. (And he also doesn't like Michael Bay, whom I could mention I have otherwise no relation to other than I thought the Bad Boys movies had moderately good action).
mjhhiv: MovieBob's was just one of the MANY negative reviews of the movie. You're in the minority here. Not MovieBob. Basically, just get over it.
See the last paragraph, start at the phrase "Secondly;" so that I won't have to repeat myself.
mjhhiv: I'm sorry if this came off as rude or something, but your... post (review, rant, something. I don't think it belongs in this section...) was totally unwarranted.
That's quite alright, I rarely take personal offense, even though it might sound that way. It's still a review, even though it's kinda...heated. Atleast I feel it is.
pantsoffdanceoff: So because someone disagrees with you they have no merit? Wow it must be nice to have the world revolve around your opinion.
I'm pretty sure I never said that. Please read again.
My first thought after seeing this rant was: "Who the hell does this guy think he is?" My second thought was: "Why does he think people care that his opinion differs to that of a critics?"
Well I have seen the film and I agreed with him, does that mean I have no credibility :( Or does it mean that people ARE actually allowed their opinion, oh yeah and everyone knows that people who quote zero punctuation are always wrong
maybe its just that you are (not being offencive) the audience that movie bob talks about in the film review you no the one's saying that it was based on a toy.
because you did not have nostagic memories of transformer does not mean anyone else has.
he didn't like it because to the hardcore transformers fans, all he did was shove his balls in our face.
but you are intitled to your opipion and so is movie bob. but i did not like it it was rubish
(sorry about the spelling mistakes spell check isnt working and its been a bad day)
mjhhiv: Well, someone got up on the wrong side of bed.
I somehow feel my view and phrasing is less negative than what MovieBob did.
mjhhiv: Your opinion of Transformers 2 is fine, loads of people like it.
mjhhiv: You've failed to realize that most self-respecting critics have lambasted Transformers as horrible.
Firstly; yay contradiction. Secondly; I'm entitled to my opinion as much as MovieBob is. Being an "official" critic doesn't make you more 'right' than anyone else. Besides, if MovieBob had lamblasted Transformers on account of a poor plot and script, I could have accepted that as a reasonable and professional review. However, he lashes out on the film because it's not made the way he wanted it to be. (And he also doesn't like Michael Bay, whom I could mention I have otherwise no relation to other than I thought the Bad Boys movies had moderately good action).
Firstly; no, not a contradiction. "People" = people, as in the 14 year old kids that call Transformers the best thing ever. "Critics" = People who are paid to analyze movies. I'd argue that critics are more qualified to call a movie "good" or not, being that they are, you know, paid to do so. And even if that isn't true, it has nothing to do with your opinion being wrong: it has to do with MovieBob's opinion being common. The way you pitched it to us, MovieBob's opinion was the only negative one you've heard. Secondly; "yay", we agree.
Im not a fan of moviebob but im not a fan of your half assed rant either. Its all just opinion in the end, the movie will go on to make its money regardless of how many people decry it as the raping of their childhood franchise. Lets just stop the fanboy duels altogether shall we? Its so pointless.
CMon: I went to the movies to see mindblowing action, and that's what I got.
If that's all you wanted out of the movie, then why do you care what one critic out of a sea of critics has to say about the movie. I personally want more out of a nearly 3 hour movie and a $9.00 movie ticket than to watch a gigantic boom-fest, and most (i.e. nearly all) of the professional critics agreed with that sentiment. Even you admit near the end of your...argument (for lack of a better adjective) you were dissatisfied with the plot, and plot (warning: obvious statement ahead) is the key ingredient to any successful story. If I want to see 3 hours of explosions and death, I would just turn on my Xbox and put in on of the many first person shooters in my library.
Jingermanoo: My first thought after seeing this rant was: "Who the hell does this guy think he is?" My second thought was: "Why does he think people care that his opinion differs to that of a critics?"
I see what you did there. Additionally: "Being an "official" critic doesn't make you more 'right' than anyone else." The same applies the other way around, in other words, I hardly believe you care about my opinion any more than MovieBob's.
According to myself, MovieBob lost his credibility because he buildt his arguments on the fact that he wants Transformer movies to be more like the old cartoon figures, rather than destroying it for a lack of sophistication, which would have made more sense to me. I'm NOT saying that I think he lost his credibility because he doesn't have the same opinion as I do. And calling people morons in a serious debate forum doesn't provide much for the debate.
daviejjd: Well I have seen the film and I agreed with him, does that mean I have no credibility :( Or does it mean that people ARE actually allowed their opinion, oh yeah and everyone knows that people who quote zero punctuation are always wrong
*sigh* Above. And you'd be suprised how many ZP quotes I could squeeze in without them being irrelevant :P
ghostsprite9: maybe its just that you are (not being offencive) the audience that movie bob talks about in the film review you no the one's saying that it was based on a toy.
It's based on a toy. There, I said it.
ghostsprite9: because you did not have nostagic memories of transformer does not mean anyone else has.
Possibly not. I guess that makes me less right than everyone with a feeling of nostalgia then.
Squiggers: Personally, I think Cmon has a point here.
One out of ten, wohoo! :)
xmetatr0nx: Im not a fan of moviebob but im not a fan of your half assed rant either. Its all just opinion in the end, the movie will go on to make its money regardless of how many people decry it as the raping of their childhood franchise. Lets just stop the fanboy duels altogether shall we? Its so pointless.
Wait, what, a fanboy duel? At which point, of this review/criticism/rant/pineapple sausage mobile/whatever you want to call it am I being a fanboy?
Samuari Jim: If that's all you wanted out of the movie, then why do you care what one critic out of a sea of critics has to say about the movie. I personally want more out of a nearly 3 hour movie and a $9.00 movie ticket than to watch a gigantic boom-fest, and most (i.e. nearly all) of the professional critics agreed with that sentiment. Even you admit near the end of your...argument (for lack of a better adjective) you were dissatisfied with the plot, and plot (warning: obvious statement ahead) is the key ingredient to any successful story. If I want to see 3 hours of explosions and death, I would just turn on my Xbox and put in on of the many first person shooters in my library.
Well, you're the first one in this long train of angry disagreement to actually make sense to me without misquoting or misinterpreting my article. If I were to rate Transformers 2 I'd give it a mediocre to poor rating on the scale. I would not however, reason for my rating by saying: "Optimus Prime has the wrong paintjob".
A. He is a reviewer. He is entitled to his opinion. he is not broken, and he has not lost credibility. If you don;t agree with his criteria, thats fine. However, he has fans that agree with him and will continue to seek his advice. That is how reviews work. You either listen to him or you don't. it oes not make him any less of a reviewer.
B. You saw the movie from the perspective of a complete neutral. He saw it from the perspective as a long term fan. The thing about long term fans if that when we see Hollywood make a major project, we know our small little joy is going to become seen in the entire public view. When this happens, we want it to be as close to the original as possible. We don't want every person we meet saying they nevr saw the original content, but now all of the sudden they think Transformers, they think all action and no depth. As fans, we don't want the names our favorite stories to be butchered into mindless shit.
In other words, you may not have had expections, but Bob did. Not only did he feel riped off, but also insulted. If you feel satisfied, fine. But not every viewer has the same expectations as you.
Gamer137: Alright then, with that in mind, would the film had been any better if it were called "Space Robots" and all robot names had been switched out?
The Great JT: Bonjour, I am ze french chef! Would you like some cheese with that whine?
I see what you did there. Additionally: "Being an "official" critic doesn't make you more 'right' than anyone else." The same applies the other way around, in other words, I hardly believe you care about my opinion any more than MovieBob's.
Oh wow, another post full of Unwarrented Self Importance. Listen, take this next part of my post to heart, as it will help you in your life.
Before you do anything, before you post anything, before you write anything, think to yourself "SO WHAT?" "Why does what I'm saying matter at all? Is it pointless? What do I gain by saying it?"
One of my College Professors taught me that. You would do well to follow his advice. Because you just wasted everyone's time with a pointless and unwarranted critique of a critic and expect to us agree with you why? You didn't back up your argument at all, you basically said "He doesn't agree with me so his credibility is gone,".
OK, a majority of this topic is TL;DR. But I do understand the jist of what is going on and have heard some pretty good forward points. I personally have not seen the film, but feel you are attacking just for the sake of attacking. IF you'd look at the metacritic you would understand that Mjhhiv is right, it's got a global score of 37 out of 100 and all the critics are saying the exact same thing Moviebob is saying. I think you're just trying to pick on the guy who's just starting out ON THE ESCAPIST. Moviebob has been around for a year on youtube reviewing movies and games and such with very valid points and exceptional arguments. To call him fresh is borderline insulting due to his experience. I think you should rethink your opinion and do a little background research before you condemn this guy for being on the winning team in this argument.
Anarchemitis: Regardless of reviewer integrity, threads that exist to call out or insult other users are not welcome.
I didn't make this thread to start a flamewar. I thought reviewing an Escapist post would be original, and seeing as I were in strong disagreement with MovieBob's way of doing things and had a lot of time on my hands I found it appropriate.
If this is a forum where one can't in a humorously satiric and sardonic manner be relieved of your opinion without having truckloads of people like Jingermanoo verbally running you over for it, I'm not sure I should hold it in such high regard anymore.
Before you do anything, before you post anything, before you write anything, think to yourself "SO WHAT?" "Why does what I'm saying matter at all? Is it pointless? What do I gain by saying it?"
One of my College Professors taught me that. You would do well to follow his advice. Because you just wasted everyone's time with a pointless and unwarranted critique of a critic and expect to us agree with you why? You didn't back up your argument at all, you basically said "He doesn't agree with me so his credibility is gone,".
Conceited? Yes.
You could just as well state this in any review thread.
I can't believe I read this thing. I just see it as a counterpoint to MovieBob's point. Either way just cause his opinion differs doesn't mean he isn't a good critic.
Critics don't have some point scale they use like olympic judges it's just subjective.
The Great JT: Bonjour, I am ze french chef! Would you like some cheese with that whine?
I didn't like MovieBob's review either; I couldn't even get through the whole thing. But, well, he's a reviewer; it's his job to biased. You have a bias, too. That's the point of opinion; there's no point in over-contending them. We all have those movies we hate, and those movies we love, and while MovieBob's "review" was more of a rant anyway, it's not worth getting heated over.
Yeah, well, it was a waste of time for me too. I'm beginning to think I should just PM a mod and ask him to remove the thread. I was hoping for some valuable discussion with counterarguments to my points and so on, but instead I get forcefed the same "your opinion = his opinion" and "why do you bother" line.
Also added somewhat of a disclaimer to the first post. Hopefully that will clarify things a bit. Oh and those criticizing my review for being more of a rant than a review; think of it as satire. MovieBob's review certainly fits that bill aswell.
CMon: Gamer137: Alright then, with that in mind, would the film had been any better if it were called "Space Robots" and all robot names had been switched out?
Yes. It would have the same content that peope like about the movie, without pissing off anyone due to the IP.
Thank you so much. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that MovieBob's review of Transformers 2 was fucking awful.
I have to wonder if any of the repliers actually read your post because I don't recall you saying "anyone who disagrees is a fanboy".
The fact was that Moviebob was trying to emulate Yahtzee but with a film review rather than a game review, half of his points were a load of bullshit, and the other half had no relevance to the film itself.
He admitted the following things that mean he had no reason to watch the film, let alone "review" it:
- He hated the characters in the first film. (Well it's a sequel so of course they'd be back) - He hates Michael Bays directing. (So he would hate this film because of it before he'd even seen it) - He hated the last Transformers film. (considering this it's logical he'd automatically hate this one)
He is of course, entitled to his opinion, but usually it helps to have a valid reason for it.
Yes. It would have the same content that peope like about the movie, without pissing off anyone due to the IP.
Well I guess I have a general problem with people not seeing things from that perspective then. Sorry if that somehow makes me sound like a hypocrite, but remember that as I had a neutral perspective from the beginning, the review in question naturally seemed unfair to me.
Anarchemitis: Regardless of reviewer integrity, threads that exist to call out or insult other users are not welcome.
xmetatr0nx: Im not a fan of moviebob but im not a fan of your half assed rant either. Its all just opinion in the end, the movie will go on to make its money regardless of how many people decry it as the raping of their childhood franchise.
Honestly CMon, given your thread title "Woops, MovieBob lost his credibility" and the rant-like feel of the review... How are you surprised by the negative feedback?
As some of you may or may not be perfectly aware of, if not to say goddamn sick of, the Transformers 2 movie has been out for a short while now and has recieved various reviews from each end of the scale. I went to see the premieré at 00:01 sharp - not because I'm particularly interested in the Transformers franchise, (I've never seen the series, never owned an action figure, hell, I never even saw the first movie) but because some friends of me dropped by my house with free tickets to a film that we assumed could keep us entertained for approximately two and a half hour.
I wouldn't say that I was dissappointed when I left the cinema; after all I didn't really have any expectations to speak of when I went in there. I do however know that although there wasn't much to it when it came to acting provess and plot, the action scenes in the film where pretty breathtaking at times. I would even go as far as to say it gave me goosebumps during the highlights of the robo-brawls.
...and then, about a week later, I stumbled upon MovieBob's review of Transformers: Revenge of The Fallen on the Escapist. Recalling his previous review of Drag Me To Hell as something average-decent-'meh', I figured "what the heck" and felt like killing some time while being crippled by a particularly sturdy case of the flu. My first thought after seeing the review was: "Who the hell does this guy think he is?" My second thought was: "Well that was a terrible demise for a relatively fresh film critic."
He opens the review quite discrete (not) by pointing out how the huge-ass wrecking bot towards the end of the film didn't spend enough time doing awesome stuff and instead sucked a hole (LOL) in the ground and tore down a pyramid. As if that weren't badass enough. He also expressed an apparent dislike for the movie's play on "robo-testicles", an element who brought a tiny smirk on my face, but apparently made his face look like The Scream after discovering that he had a nasty case of the crabs. Then he moves on to stating that the first Transformers film was "the worst movie of the century so far", blatantly dismissing hot candidates such as Death Race and The Number 23 (we can talk about those later).
And yeah, ok, so the story weren't great, I'll give him that. It seems though that he's not particularly fond of humans in general, seeing as he means that the majority of them were pretty worthless in Transformers 2. (Decepticon ideology anyone? hurr hurr) Oh yes, and the transformer design: MovieBob doesn't shy away from the fact that the robots would have looked so much better if they were molded according to colourful toys you got from 80's Kellogg's boxes, rather than alien technology. And then he makes a feeble attempt in defending this argument (and countering what I just did, presumably) by going on a completely unrelated delve into stuff such as funds spent, good books that made bad movies, bad books that made good movies, Jesus and Batman.
And what's with the completely unfair dismissal of the plot during his review? I mean, god, he starts off by making what I assume was intended to be a short yet cluttered summary of the film, but breaks it off before he can even make it sound complicated by going "OH-GOD-FUCKING-CHRIST-DEAR" and then jumping on Michael Bay as if he were the equivalent of Hitler. Yes, MovieBob, Michael Bay directs what I like to call "actiony action movies that are accessible to the general audience". What you like to call it, I don't know, but I guess it would be something along the lines of "clueless, evil art-terrorism of extreme viciousness and mass-destruction", judging by the way you skin the director in your horrible review. And you don't like the humans in the film, well, I guess you're entitled to that opinion, but I think it's more than just a general understanding that a large, mixed audience would have an easier time relating to some random douchebags running around trying not to get stomped on, than some douchebag-robots beating up other douchebag-robots. So Michael Bay mixes these two elements together. It's not Oscar material, but it works.
Also, I don't know if MovieBob's got problems with his eyes or something, maybe he should go check, because the "blurred, messy, blahblahblah-WHIIINE" action scenes he's talking about aren't there. What I saw was beautifully animated action that made my neck hair stand. Ok, the plot sucks, the robo twins are less fun than they could be, Megan Fox sucks (ka-ch$ng) but the action did it for me. I went to the movies to see mindblowing action, and that's what I got. I'm guessing his fucked-up prejuditive fanboy glasses might have coated it all in something that could unmistakably be the tears over toys turned into droids...wait...
...I just used the word 'fanboy' didn't I? OH MY LORD, IT LOOKS LIKE I MIGHT HAVE REACHED THE PEAK OF MY REVIEW ON YOUR REVIEW, MOVIEBOB. Let me look inside my big book of Benjamin Croshaw quotes;
*cough*
"I am not a fanboy-YES YOU ARE! Your excessive fanboyism to a franchise that you obviously loved in your childhood and teen years (hopefully not adult though, that's the point where it becomes weird) has blocked your ability to make a decent review. Instead, your making a feeble attempt on 'negative for the sake of negativity'. Yahtzee have had success with a negative approach, but that's because he's got a certain amount of style and credibility, and whatever respect you had time to build up, you just lost forever, atleast in my eyes. You talk fast, you insult, but it's all pointless, hateful propaganda against a film that puts no emphasis on fanservice, and a whole fucklot on emphasis on explosions, oil and engine parts (that's blood and gore, fyi). It's not a film I would buy to my DVD collection, but it was a nice, nighttime cinema experience. I sure could do without the romance parts, especially considering that I was in a group consisting exclusively of other males, but the dissatisfaction of the skewed plot, tears and smoochie-smoochie quickly disappeared in the action scenes and the half-witted humor. It's obviously not fanservice, but who told us that it was gonna be? As an example: the newest Batman movie that MovieBob so carelessly promotes as a good film certainly did stray away a good bit from the original comic, but you don't criticize it for that, why? I'll tell you why;
Because you're a transformers-fanboy, not a batman-fanboy. You let your premature views consume your reviews, and that's why I will never, ever watch a review from you again, and at the same time take it seriously.
EDIT: CLARIFICATION Y'ALL
A lot of you don't seem to grasp that what I'm criticizing here isn't the fact that MovieBob didn't like the film. I wouldn't go see it again. But he's taking the entirely_wrong_approach. I am well aware that everyone is entitled to their own opinions and such, but using that against me is an act of extreme redundancy. As is the act of saying "your opinion doesn't matter any more than others". Of course it doesn't. Also, go around and serve that dish in every single thread in this board, I'll wait, because there are certainly no-one around here that has an opinon of higher importance.