After watching Drive I was frustrated for two reasons:
1)The film is nothing like the trailers
2)The film is terrible

One is self explanatory and hard to argue with considering the film has about 5 minutes of driving and 30 seconds of action. Literally.

As there are many proponents of Drive, please answer me this:

How can a film be any good when the protagonist says 885 words? I was going to make a video to demonstrate how little he says, but it's easier to just show you because the quality of the script is startlingly bad:

This film is just fucking terrible and I have no idea what Movie Bob was thinking when he praised it. The romance is not natural, it's unbelievable as the above shows. In fact the entire film is. The "rainman" of driving is also apparently Brian Mills in his spare time, in a world of social incompetents as well as Jews who would fit the description given by any anti-Semitic. And yet it somehow manages a metacritic score of 79.

To sum this film up in one word, I would chose this one: bad.

The movie was freaking awesome. I'm pissed it didn't get nominated for best cinematography.

Kenbo Slice:
The movie was freaking awesome. I'm pissed it didn't get nominated for best cinematography.

Why was it awesome? You may as well not have posted as you didn't address a single thing I wrote.

Maybe people have different expectations than you?

Soviet Heavy:
Maybe people have different expectations than you?

How so? The script is thin, poorly written and completely unbelievable. To expect a romance to blossom from someone who says little and when he does it's half a sentence is absurd. Not to mention the loophole that *spoiler alert* he gets her husband killed. And on top of that *spoiler* the gangsters want Driver dead even when he goes to give the money over free of charge. The film has very few action scenes, a very thin, poor script and loopholes in the plot. How can someone come away from this film thinking it's any good?

Have you even seen Drive?

Silence can really work well and help create suspense and tension. The villan from one of the best movies ever No Country For Old Men pops into my head.

This movie did it so often that it lost a lot of the meaning though which was disappointing. The token romance was also stupid I must say.

godofallu:
Silence can really work well and help create suspense and tension. The villan from one of the best movies ever No Country For Old Men pops into my head.

This movie did it so often that it lost a lot of the meaning though which was disappointing. The token romance was also stupid I must say.

100% agree with you. Films like Moon use silence appropriately and correctly, whereas the silence in this film ended up losing all meaning.

It's funny you should mention that because for the first time ever I watched No Country For Old Men a few days ago and unfortunately I was really disappointed with it.
As much as the hitman did come across as a lunatic I've several problems with that:
Firstly lunatics are not good killers, psychopaths are and there is a large difference as psychos are very socially able due to their condition. Lunatics are just crazy and because of that, generally useless because they are not part of reality.
Secondly, the "unstoppable evil" archetype was not very believable. I felt the character had more akin to Jason Voorhees then it did to say, Vincent from Collateral, the latter I felt as being both more believable and memorable. But then again I have yet to still figure out what genre NCFOM is part of as the comic relief seemed out of place.

There's nothing wrong with the Driver being soft spoken. He's a character that doesn't betray his emotions. Since his backstory isn't brought up it's left to the audience to wonder what made him that way. There's never a moment in the movie where the Driver's silence bothered me. When he speaks it's used very effectively. The driver is depicted as a tough guy but when he speaks especially near the end you can feel how vulnerable he is. His voice even cracks.

Complaining about the driver is like complaining about Clint Eastwood's The Man with no Name in the "Dollars" Trilogy. The driver actually has a lot in common with Eastwood's character; fitting since the movie feels a lot like a western with cars. The driver is tough, physically strong, and skilled. He's an outsider with some moral ambiguity yet has a strong personal sense of justice.

The Cool Kid:

How so? The script is thin, poorly written and completely unbelievable. To expect a romance to blossom from someone who says little and when he does it's half a sentence is absurd. Not to mention the loophole that *spoiler alert* he gets her husband killed.

Actions speak louder than words, I could believe Irene falling for the driver (look at him he's gorgeous!). Seriously though, he helps fix her car when it broke down at the store. He drives her back home as well as other places. He even spends time with her son. It wasn't a straightforward romance. Initially, the Driver was interested in her romantically. When the husband comes back the Driver could have left at any time. Yet he still stays and even helps the husband out. He does so with Irene's and her son's best interest in mind. Much like The Man with No Name the driver helps because he seems to have a soft spot for people in trouble; because of his sense of justice he feels obligated to help. Not because he thinks he still has a chance with her or any other sort of compensation. The kiss in the elevator at the end of the movie although romantic is more of a good-bye kiss. For all his efforts he can at least say good-bye.

The Cool Kid:
And on top of that *spoiler* the gangsters want Driver dead even when he goes to give the money over free of charge.

There's actually an explanation for that. I'll have to look it up later but I think I have the gist of it. Nino (Ron Perlman) was behind the pawn shop robbery. The money belonged to the East Coast Mafia. Nino's partner, Bernie (Albert Brooks) knows that if the robbery is ever linked back to them they will be under the mafia's wrath. So everyone has to die since they are loose ends. You could reason that they could let the Driver live but why take the risk of him spilling the beans. It's his life or theirs.

The Cool Kid:
The film has very few action scenes, a very thin, poor script and loopholes in the plot. How can someone come away from this film thinking it's any good?

Yeah there were only a few action scenes. I though they were all very well done though. I like that the driving scenes were all sort of low-key, and reserved and not over the top. Like in the beginning of the film he doesn't out-drive the cops, rather he outsmarts them. He uses the geometry of the city to lose the cops. The action scenes are quick but their also very brutal especially compared to how calm the scenes leading up to them are.

There's nothing wrong with a light script. I felt that the movie was very concise and efficient, heck it's only about 100 minutes long. As for enjoying the film, I thought the cinematography and directing were excellent. In the hands of another director this movie would have been very different. The story sounds a like a generic Hollywood action movie, but it definitely doesn't come across as one. Plus the soundtrack was awesome.

psychic psycho:
There's nothing wrong with the Driver being soft spoken. He's a character that doesn't betray his emotions. Since his backstory isn't brought up it's left to the audience to wonder what made him that way. There's never a moment in the movie where the Driver's silence bothered me. When he speaks it's used very effectively. The driver is depicted as a tough guy but when he speaks especially near the end you can feel how vulnerable he is. His voice even cracks.

There is a case of being Patrick Bateman, then there is Driver, who comes across as so socially incompetent he seems autistic. Therefore his back story can be summed up in one word: genetics. His silence shows a complete lack of social skills. When he speaks, it's half a sentence, which really makes him seem handicapped. He is hardly dropping words of wisdom when he opens his mouth.

psychic psycho:

Complaining about the driver is like complaining about Clint Eastwood's The Man with no Name in the "Dollars" Trilogy. The driver actually has a lot in common with Eastwood's character; fitting since the movie feels a lot like a western with cars. The driver is tough, physically strong, and skilled. He's an outsider with some moral ambiguity yet has a strong personal sense of justice.

See the above. He isn't tough, he's autistic. Blade is tough & silent. John Preston is tough and silent. Driver is autistic and out of nowhere turns into a homicidal bad ass. Because that's believable.
He's not an outsider, he's socially inept. There is a big difference between the two. He has such a strong sense of personal justice he makes out with the wife of the man he just inadvertently helped kill, moments after said event? Right...

psychic psycho:

Actions speak louder than words, I could believe Irene falling for the driver (look at him he's gorgeous!). Seriously though, he helps fix her car when it broke down at the store. He drives her back home as well as other places. He even spends time with her son. It wasn't a straightforward romance. Initially, the Driver was interested in her romantically. When the husband comes back the Driver could have left at any time. Yet he still stays and even helps the husband out. He does so with Irene's and her son's best interest in mind. Much like The Man with No Name the driver helps because he seems to have a soft spot for people in trouble; because of his sense of justice he feels obligated to help. Not because he thinks he still has a chance with her or any other sort of compensation. The kiss in the elevator at the end of the movie although romantic is more of a good-bye kiss. For all his efforts he can at least say good-bye.

He may not be ugly, but find me the mother who is spell bound by a socially inept guy who screams "weird". So all women fall in love with taxi drivers? It's far too contrived to come close to being believable due to the speed it moves at and the complete lack of communication between the two of them. It simply is not something that would happen in real life and therefore comes across as a mere plot device, and a very transparent one.

psychic psycho:

There's actually an explanation for that. I'll have to look it up later but I think I have the gist of it. Nino (Ron Perlman) was behind the pawn shop robbery. The money belonged to the East Coast Mafia. Nino's partner, Bernie (Albert Brooks) knows that if the robbery is ever linked back to them they will be under the mafia's wrath. So everyone has to die since they are loose ends. You could reason that they could let the Driver live but why take the risk of him spilling the beans. It's his life or theirs.

What gangster would believe an autistic nobody? Again, it's another transparent plot device that makes very little sense

psychic psycho:

Yeah there were only a few action scenes. I though they were all very well done though. I like that the driving scenes were all sort of low-key, and reserved and not over the top. Like in the beginning of the film he doesn't out-drive the cops, rather he outsmarts them. He uses the geometry of the city to lose the cops. The action scenes are quick but their also very brutal especially compared to how calm the scenes leading up to them are.

There's nothing wrong with a light script. I felt that the movie was very concise and efficient, heck it's only about 100 minutes long. As for enjoying the film, I thought the cinematography and directing were excellent. In the hands of another director this movie would have been very different. The story sounds a like a generic Hollywood action movie, but it definitely doesn't come across as one. Plus the soundtrack was awesome.

The action scenes were unnecessarily bloody, with the driving being tame at best.
The opening driving scene was boring as hell. For a film called Driver he certainly spent little time behind a wheel. Using a city to out smart cops makes for dull viewing. When you mix this with the ultra-violence, it really strikes you that the director is aiming to shock rather then entertain. Once again, another transparent device.

The script is unbelievable at best. Concise? Efficient? Try lazy and unrealistic. There is no way a woman who has just lost her husband would instantly fall for a guy who has zero social skills (a terrible fatherly feature which will turn mothers off) and even somewhat aided in the killing of her husband.
The story is nothing more then a collection of plot devices and pretension wrapped in an 80's soundtrack. The fact that the film has no reason to have such a retro soundtrack goes to show how pretentious it all is.

The Cool Kid:
There is a case of being Patrick Bateman, then there is Driver, who comes across as so socially incompetent he seems autistic. Therefore his back story can be summed up in one word: genetics. His silence shows a complete lack of social skills. When he speaks, it's half a sentence, which really makes him seem handicapped. He is hardly dropping words of wisdom when he opens his mouth.

I believe the Driver was very socially inept. I said before that when he does speak it shows how vulnerable he is. I got the impression that he plays the part of a silent tough guy because he IS socially awkward. It's like how they say "it's better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt". He let's his actions say what he cannot. I never said his words were full of wisdom, quite the contrary. Remember how he tells Irene that she could have the money and they could run away together so he could "protect her". It plays out so pathetically. He's so confused; he wants to do the right thing but has no idea what that it is.

The Cool Kid:
He isn't tough, he's autistic. Blade is tough & silent. John Preston is tough and silent. Driver is autistic and out of nowhere turns into a homicidal bad ass. Because that's believable.
He's not an outsider, he's socially inept. There is a big difference between the two. He has such a strong sense of personal justice he makes out with the wife of the man he just inadvertently helped kill, moments after said event? Right...

You could have also listed Batman (heh, three characters played by Christian Bale is mentioned between our posts), who is often depicted as being a bit unhinged but still a very capable person. I wasn't surprised that the driver was violent, he's a getaway driver. Not much of a stretch to believe a criminal is violent. I always felt he was violent underneath just that he tries to control it (he tells his clients that he won't carry a weapon). When he unleashes it though, he's absolutely brutal.

I don't know if he's autistic, seems a bit drastic to label him as such. He's not very eloquent, sure, but it's not like anyone will have trouble understanding what he's saying. Honestly, he sounded like a guy who doesn't like talking a lot. There was nothing super strange about his speech. Heck, if he's autistic I must be super autistic (I'm an absolute mess when it comes to social situations). I agree he is awkward, I'd go as far as saying that he has sociopathic tendencies. He's not an outsider? Being socially inept would probably make someone a loner. He can't live a normal life and keeps to himself because of this.

The driver has zero blame in the husband's death. Even if the driver didn't get involved it was very likely the husband would die anyway. Either he would refuse to do the job for the gangsters and continue to get beat up and eventually killed or he could do the job; which was always going to end up with him dead. The Driver genuinely just wanted to help. His sense of justice compelled him to, even if it was a bit misplaced. He probably would have left if the robbery went as planned and he knew that Irene, her husband, and their son were safe.

The Cool Kid:
He may not be ugly, but find me the mother who is spell bound by a socially inept guy who screams "weird". So all women fall in love with taxi drivers? It's far too contrived to come close to being believable due to the speed it moves at and the complete lack of communication between the two of them. It simply is not something that would happen in real life and therefore comes across as a mere plot device, and a very transparent one.

Who says the mother was spellbound? You make it sound like she's hopelessly in love with the Driver like Bella with Edward, in the awful Twilight series. Irene's life wasn't very stable and she meets a nice-looking guy that treats her well. The Driver was probably just satisfied with having some human interaction after being alone for so long. I think that's enough to kick-start a little romance. It's definitely NOT enough to sustain a long healthy relationship though, and thankfully that isn't what the film depicts. The romance in Drive isn't some exaggerated powerful/unbreakable love, it was light and very tame. There is zero sex involved and the two kiss only ONCE in the entire movie. You said earlier that the driver "makes out" with her in the elevator. I would not describe that kiss as making out. The kiss was rather tame, although dramatized due to the slow motion, lighting and the way it was framed. He presses his lips against hers and that was it. I guess the kiss was inappropriate considering the husband, but he's been through a lot to protect her family and knew he was never going to see her again after he kills the man in the elevator. I think he deserves a tame good-bye kiss. She's probably one of the few people he's ever been close to.

The Cool Kid:
What gangster would believe an autistic nobody? Again, it's another transparent plot device that makes very little sense

A nobody? The Driver has a reputation of being very skilled and reliable. Even if they've never heard of him, I think you're exaggerating the Driver's lack of social skills. Yes, he is awkward, but he isn't so bad that people are going to dismiss him immediately. I think the driver knew enough about the ordeal to sound credible. The most obvious, among other things, would be that he knows the exact amount of money that was taken. He could plead his case and the mafia could look into. If any evidence was found Nino and Bernie would be in big trouble.

The Cool Kid:
The action scenes were unnecessarily bloody, with the driving being tame at best.
The opening driving scene was boring as hell. For a film called Driver he certainly spent little time behind a wheel. Using a city to out smart cops makes for dull viewing. When you mix this with the ultra-violence, it really strikes you that the director is aiming to shock rather then entertain. Once again, another transparent device.

The script is unbelievable at best. Concise? Efficient? Try lazy and unrealistic. There is no way a woman who has just lost her husband would instantly fall for a guy who has zero social skills (a terrible fatherly feature which will turn mothers off) and even somewhat aided in the killing of her husband.
The story is nothing more then a collection of plot devices and pretension wrapped in an 80's soundtrack. The fact that the film has no reason to have such a retro soundtrack goes to show how pretentious it all is.

I might have agreed that violence was used for shock value but they used action scenes sparingly. Besides, it's not like it's anymore violent than say a Robert Rodriguez film. The movie is very calm leading up to the action scenes so the violence is just that much more effective. I can see why people wouldn't like the driving scenes, heck I'm surprised I liked them as much as I did. I agree it would be nice if there was more driving but I did like that those scenes were low-key and restrained. The driving scenes reflected how calm and in control the Driver usually is. The action scenes show how violent and out of control he can get.

As I've explained above, the woman does not fall head-over-heels in love with the Driver. If you remember she slaps him when he reveals that he was involved with the heist. The kind of romance shown in the movie is what you'd expect from two people who just met each other. I mean there's was like zero flirting. They kinda just smiled and looked at each other. They enjoyed each other's company. I'm not sure why you think that's unrealistic. It never felt like it was some serious destined soul-mates type crap and it was never meant to be that way.

I'm not sure what having a soundtrack with an 80's vibe has anything to do with being pretentious. I just kinda dug the music.

psychic psycho:

I believe the Driver was very socially inept. I said before that when he does speak it shows how vulnerable he is. I got the impression that he plays the part of a silent tough guy because he IS socially awkward. It's like how they say "it's better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt". He let's his actions say what he cannot. I never said his words were full of wisdom, quite the contrary. Remember how he tells Irene that she could have the money and they could run away together so he could "protect her". It plays out so pathetically. He's so confused; he wants to do the right thing but has no idea what that it is.

But that doesn't make sense. Is he vulnerable or handicapped? They are not the same things. One is to do with emotions, the other is not. Silent tough guys are not socially awkward, they are silent. And tough. There is a large difference between between Driver in 'Drive' and Driver in 'Faster'. If he can't speak rather then not speak, as you are saying he cannot express himself, then yes, he is autistic. Saying they should run away is very reminiscent to the diner scene in Catcher in the Rye. All in all, the character and his actions, or lack of, point to him being mentally handicapped.

psychic psycho:

You could have also listed Batman (heh, three characters played by Christian Bale is mentioned between our posts), who is often depicted as being a bit unhinged but still a very capable person. I wasn't surprised that the driver was violent, he's a getaway driver. Not much of a stretch to believe a criminal is violent. I always felt he was violent underneath just that he tries to control it (he tells his clients that he won't carry a weapon). When he unleashes it though, he's absolutely brutal.

Read the above. I don't care what you feel; that's making things up. You are completely speculating on why he doesn't carry a weapon. You go with what you see,what you hear and what you know. As I've stated, what we see, hear and know are the actions of someone with a mental deficiency. When he does show a violent side, it is completely out of character going from someone who can't get more then half a sentence through shyness to someone who is suddenly a fantastic brawler. Those two do not mix.

psychic psycho:

I don't know if he's autistic, seems a bit drastic to label him as such. He's not very eloquent, sure, but it's not like anyone will have trouble understanding what he's saying. Honestly, he sounded like a guy who doesn't like talking a lot. There was nothing super strange about his speech. Heck, if he's autistic I must be super autistic (I'm an absolute mess when it comes to social situations). I agree he is awkward, I'd go as far as saying that he has sociopathic tendencies. He's not an outsider? Being socially inept would probably make someone a loner. He can't live a normal life and keeps to himself because of this.

The driver has zero blame in the husband's death. Even if the driver didn't get involved it was very likely the husband would die anyway. Either he would refuse to do the job for the gangsters and continue to get beat up and eventually killed or he could do the job; which was always going to end up with him dead. The Driver genuinely just wanted to help. His sense of justice compelled him to, even if it was a bit misplaced. He probably would have left if the robbery went as planned and he knew that Irene, her husband, and their son were safe.

He can barely string a sentence together. In fact 45% of the time he doesn't manage to do so. There is a large difference between not being a suave debonaire charm and barely managing to get more then 3 words out at a time. Do the people around you only manage 3 words per sentence, whilst ending almost half of them in ellipses?
When you need money is the sensible solution to rob a bank? They could of moved out of the apartment to somewhere else, or moved in with Driver. Ultimately it was a completely absurd decision that no one would make.

psychic psycho:

Who says the mother was spellbound? You make it sound like she's hopelessly in love with the Driver like Bella with Edward, in the awful Twilight series. Irene's life wasn't very stable and she meets a nice-looking guy that treats her well. The Driver was probably just satisfied with having some human interaction after being alone for so long. I think that's enough to kick-start a little romance. It's definitely NOT enough to sustain a long healthy relationship though, and thankfully that isn't what the film depicts. The romance in Drive isn't some exaggerated powerful/unbreakable love, it was light and very tame. There is zero sex involved and the two kiss only ONCE in the entire movie. You said earlier that the driver "makes out" with her in the elevator. I would not describe that kiss as making out. The kiss was rather tame, although dramatized due to the slow motion, lighting and the way it was framed. He presses his lips against hers and that was it. I guess the kiss was inappropriate considering the husband, but he's been through a lot to protect her family and knew he was never going to see her again after he kills the man in the elevator. I think he deserves a tame good-bye kiss. She's probably one of the few people he's ever been close to.

She makes out with the man who aided in her husbands deaths probably before the funeral was sorted, after knowing the Driver for how long? The real world does not work like that.
Treats her well? She lives in the US, not Somalia. All he did is what any nice, normal person would do; help her with car problems and ferry her around. I'm pretty sure those are not the corner stone actions of passion and romance.
Being alone for so long? You know that how? How much are you making up? For all you know he may have spent the last fortnight snorting coke of a bunch of strippers. The romance is flat out ridiculous. A mother would not be attracted to someone so socially stunted and less so after the death of her husband who she clearly cared for. People don't work like that.

psychic psycho:

A nobody? The Driver has a reputation of being very skilled and reliable. Even if they've never heard of him, I think you're exaggerating the Driver's lack of social skills. Yes, he is awkward, but he isn't so bad that people are going to dismiss him immediately. I think the driver knew enough about the ordeal to sound credible. The most obvious, among other things, would be that he knows the exact amount of money that was taken. He could plead his case and the mafia could look into. If any evidence was found Nino and Bernie would be in big trouble.

Watch the scene where he states to the mobster his rules. It's like watching Rainman. He's spouting off line in a zombie-like fashion. Also with someone that weird, you can almost be certain that betrayal wouldn't come across their mind because they would be too busy doing something else. Like licking windows. Seriously though, someone that odd does not possess any of the characteristics of someone who would back-stab you and mobsters should be socially shrewd.

psychic psycho:

I might have agreed that violence was used for shock value but they used action scenes sparingly. Besides, it's not like it's anymore violent than say a Robert Rodriguez film. The movie is very calm leading up to the action scenes so the violence is just that much more effective. I can see why people wouldn't like the driving scenes, heck I'm surprised I liked them as much as I did. I agree it would be nice if there was more driving but I did like that those scenes were low-key and restrained. The driving scenes reflected how calm and in control the Driver usually is. The action scenes show how violent and out of control he can get.

As I've explained above, the woman does not fall head-over-heels in love with the Driver. If you remember she slaps him when he reveals that he was involved with the heist. The kind of romance shown in the movie is what you'd expect from two people who just met each other. I mean there's was like zero flirting. They kinda just smiled and looked at each other. They enjoyed each other's company. I'm not sure why you think that's unrealistic. It never felt like it was some serious destined soul-mates type crap and it was never meant to be that way.

I'm not sure what having a soundtrack with an 80's vibe has anything to do with being pretentious. I just kinda dug the music.

Rodriguez films are generally satires...Desperardo, Machete, Dusk Till Dawn and so on. To say the violence is on par with them shows how completely out of place it is. Low key and restrained driving scenes in a film called Drive with trailers that focused on those scenes? False advertising. The scenes had nothing to do with the Driver being calm and controlled, they were just dull. They were set in generic environments with nothing special going on at all. The scenes were a failing by the director to provide entertaining chase scenes. Instead he provided scenes so drab that the weekly episode of "Cops" provides far more excitement. The action scenes were, as I've said above, utterly out of place.
I have no idea where you live, but if anyone here approached a woman with the social graces of Driver, you could expect to hear "stay away from me and my son or I will call the police".
Enjoyed each others company? How can you enjoy the company of Driver? He says almost nothing, and when he does, it's as good as nothing. Who can enjoy that?

The soundtrack was pretentious because it was needlessly retro.

The Cool Kid:
But that doesn't make sense. Is he vulnerable or handicapped? They are not the same things. One is to do with emotions, the other is not. Silent tough guys are not socially awkward, they are silent. And tough. There is a large difference between between Driver in 'Drive' and Driver in 'Faster'. If he can't speak rather then not speak, as you are saying he cannot express himself, then yes, he is autistic. Saying they should run away is very reminiscent to the diner scene in Catcher in the Rye. All in all, the character and his actions, or lack of, point to him being mentally handicapped.

I'm saying it's little bit of both. He puts on a tough guy facade precisely because he's a bit odd. So yeah, he isn't like the classic tough guy because it's more of an act for him, a way for him to hide how vulnerable he is. I don't know anything about autism, I've never met anyone with autism. If you think he's qualified then I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I don't think he's completely unable to express himself just that he's bad with words. Some just fumble with words, that doesn't mean they can't high-functioning people.

The Cool Kid:
Read the above. I don't care what you feel; that's making things up. You are completely speculating on why he doesn't carry a weapon. You go with what you,what you hear and what you know. As I've stated, what we see,hear and know are the actions of someone with a mental deficiency. When he does shoe a violent side, it is completely out of character going from someone who can't get more then half a sentence through shyness to someone who is suddenly a fantastic brawler. Those two do not mix.

Okay, I was speculating about the weapon. I don't think it was much of a stretch though. It still stands that he's a criminal and it wouldn't be out of place for him to be violent. The guy works as a mechanic and a stuntman during the day, plus he was going to be a racecar driver pretty soon. You'd think that would be enough to make ends meet. Moonlighting as a getaway driver seems unnecessary, but he does it anyway. It's logical to think it's a way for him to vent.

The Cool Kid:
He can barely string a sentence together. In fact 45% of the time he doesn't manage to do so. There is a large difference between not being a suave debonaire charm and barely managing to get more then 3 words out at a time. Do the people around you only manage 3 words per sentence, whilst ending almost half of them in ellipses?
When you need money is the sensible solution to rob a bank? They could of moved out of the apartment to somewhere else, or moved in with Driver. Ultimately it was a completely absurd decision that no one would make.

I really do think you're exaggerating the Driver's ability to speak. Have you really not met anyone like this? Honestly, I get through most days saying as much as the Driver does. I don't like getting into conversations and answering with as few words possible keeps things short. He says the absolute bare minimum but it's still clear.

It wasn't really about money. The husband owed a favor to some gangsters. They didn't want money, they wanted him to do a very specific job (one that was going to end with him dead). He was beat up (in front of his own son, no less) because he refused to do the job and wanted to start clean. Yes, the family could move, but the gangsters will still be after them. Taking the job was the only way to get them off their backs. So as I said before, he was either going to take the job or continue to refuse and eventually be killed.

The Cool Kid:
She makes out with the man who aided in her husbands deaths probably before the funeral was sorted, after knowing the Driver for how long? The real world does not work like that.

As explained above the Driver has no blame for the husband's death. Again you use the words "make out" but if you watch the scene again you'll see the kiss is rather tame. Most movies would probably have a long open mouth kiss, with arms all over the place, or worse a sex scene. The kiss was also a heat of the moment thing that she gets caught up in. The driver knew he was never going to see again so he kisses her.

The Cool Kid:
Treats her well? She lives in the US, not Somalia. All he did is what any nice, normal person would do; help her with car problems and ferry her around. I'm pretty sure those are not the corner stone actions of passion and romance.

That's exactly what I've been trying to say. The romance in Drive isn't some grand romance like something out of Twilight. He's nice to her. I never said that fixing a car and driving someone around is a beautiful act that will win any woman's heart. The driver's actions is enough to START something but definitely not enough to sustain a long healthy relationship. You make it seem that no one will get into a relationship unless they're 100% compatible and that there are grand gestures of love. Being nice to someone will probably make that person like you, what's wrong with that? The movie did not make it look like Irene wanted to marry and put a baby in the Driver. They liked each other that was it.

The Cool Kid:
Being alone for so long? You know that how? How much are you making up? For all you know he may have spent the last fortnight snorting coke of a bunch of strippers. The romance is flat out ridiculous. A mother would not be attracted to someone so socially stunted and less so after the death of her husband who she clearly cared for. People don't work like that.

Yes, I'm assuming he's been alone for sometime. He's been drifting around for a while, he did just move into the city. I don't think the Driver is the type of person to snort coke, he's a getaway driver for the thrills (at least partly, as I've explained earlier). Coke would be sort of redundant and probably wouldn't be enough to satisfy him. I also don't think he's the type of person to hang around strippers. It's not like he's constantly horny, looking for a chance to throw himself on Irene. You're mention of strippers is a bit odd. When I say he's probably been alone for a while I meant that he doesn't have many close acquaintances, not that he hasn't had sex for a long time.

The Cool Kid:
A mother would not be attracted to someone so socially stunted and less so after the death of her husband who she clearly cared for. People don't work like that.

Again, it's not like the mother was madly in love with the driver. There was a slight attraction and the film left it at that. I think you're exaggerating the Driver's social skills again. There are plenty of assholes who find love. Do you really think that the well-intentioned driver can't find love just because he's kinda awkward? And you're right a woman wouldn't fall for a man right after her husband's death. That's exactly what the movie shows. That's why the slight attraction occurs before the husband's death. Irene never fools around with the driver, and she never leads him on. They spent some time together and enjoyed being around each other. Yes, I'll admit it is a bit inappropriate for her to be spending so much time with the Driver. But, when has being inappropriate stopped someone from doing something. There's also the fact that her husband has been in prison. She's been alone for a while. We don't know how much she knew about her husband's coming release. We don't know the conditions of his release, it could have come as a surprise. When the lawyer comes and tells her that he's being released soon, it sounds like the first she's heard of it.

The Cool Kid:
Watch the scene where he states to the mobster his rules. It's like watching Rainman. He's spouting off line in a zombie-like fashion. Also with someone that weird, you can almost be certain that betrayal wouldn't come across their mind because they would be too busy doing something else. Like licking windows. Seriously though, someone that odd does not possess any of the characteristics of someone who would back-stab you and mobsters should be socially shrewd.

It just sounds like he's been doing the getaway driver thing for a long time. He's probably explained his rules plenty of times, it's not strange that he spouts the line with little energy. You're making the Driver's social awkwardness bigger than it really is. The Driver does not seem mentally challenged, at least not to the level you seem to think he is. The people he meets treat him like a normal person. None of them seem to think there's something super strange about him. When Shannon introduces the Driver to Bernie, he doesn't go "You think I'm going to let this idiot drive a racecar?" If you think that the Driver is so socially inept, that it's safe to ignore him completely, why would anyone ever hire him in the first place? "This guy's weird so let's not pay attention to him at all, despite him knowing several details about the crime," that's just silly. To say the gangsters shouldn't acknowledge the Driver just because he doesn't LOOK very savvy is absolutely ridiculous.

The Cool Kid:
Rodriguez films are generally satires...Desperardo, Machete, Dusk Till Dawn and so on. To say the violence is on par with them shows how completely out of place it is.

Heh, I knew that I was going to walk into something by mentioning Rodriguez. You're right his films are usually satires and the comparison was clumsy as hell. The point I was trying to make was that the violence in the Drive isn't pushing any boundaries. The violence isn't anything we haven't seen before.

The Cool Kid:
Low key and restrained driving scenes in a film called Drive with trailers that focused on those scenes? False advertising.

A film called Drive is about a Driver, nothing strange about that. The Driver is already taken. I agree that the trailers do not reflect the film well. How is that the fault of the filmmakers though? That's the advertising department's fault.

The Cool Kid:
The scenes had nothing to do with the Driver being calm and controlled, they were just dull. They were set in generic environments with nothing special going on at all. The scenes were a failing by the director to provide entertaining chase scenes. Instead he provided scenes so drab that the weekly episode of "Cops" provides far more excitement. The action scenes were, as I've said above, utterly out of place.

We've reached the point where we're going to have to agree to disagree on the driving scenes. I said that the driving scenes reflect how calm and controlled the driver is in that particular environment. Your response was basically: Nope, the director wasn't going for that he just stinks. Neither of us can prove the director's intentions so there's nothing more we can say on this topic.

I thought the action scenes worked because they were brutal compared to the restraint of the driving scenes and it showed the driver's different sides. You think that makes it out place, that's understandable and I can see why you think that. Again, we have reached the point where we're going to have to agree to disagree.

The Cool Kid:
I have no idea where you live, but if anyone here approached a woman with the social graces of Driver, you could expect to hear "stay away from me and my son or I will call the police".

I don't think the driver did anything weird or creepy that would alarm Irene. He offered help and she accepted. She continued to accept help. It's not like he was stalking her or forced himself upon her. Why in the world would she call the police? If where you live it's normal to be so freaked out by a guy who doesn't say much that you'll call the police, then we probably don't live in the same area. Much less the same planet.

The Cool Kid:
Enjoyed each others company? How can you enjoy the company of Driver? He says almost nothing, and when he does, it's as good as nothing. Who can enjoy that?

Is it really that unbelievable that they enjoy each other's company? He's helpful and doesn't seem to be asking for anything in return. He also isn't making any inappropriate sexual advances. It doesn't seem off to me that they just like being around each other. Do people need to talk all the time? I've spent time with people where not much was said but it was still pleasant. Sometimes it's nice just to be with someone you like.

The Cool Kid:
The soundtrack was pretentious because it was needlessly retro.

This could end up in a annoying circular discussion. I could easily ask why being retro is pretentious. The soundtrack isn't the only thing that has a retro vibe, for instance The Driver's scorpion jacket, and the pink title. While some of the cars are modern, plenty of vintage cars are shown. The director has also said that he was inspired by genre car films of the 70's like Point Blank.

UNRELATED: The Cool Kid do you know why this topic isn't being bumped up? Not that I really care, but it does seem like something's wrong. Maybe you could try contacting a moderator or something?

psychic psycho:
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Why on earth did you make up a backstory and speculate? It is a gigantic stretch because there are hundreds of reasons why he may not carry a weapon, all with sensible reasoning.

Look at the script!! He says almost nothing all of the time. A normal person certainly does not say only two or three words in a reply to a person. The fact that you don't like getting into conversations etc may be a reason this debate is being dragged out because we may have differences in what we would consider socially normal?
Organized crime is about money not some arbitrary notions of favors because one helps to fund things, the other does not. How can gangsters follow you if you just move and change your name? In that situation it's a hell of a lot more sensible and reasonable then robbing a bank. It's nothing more then a ludicrous plot device.

The Driver should have told the guy how fucking idiotic the notion was. If you went to your friend "I need some money; let's rob a bank" what would they say?

Would you kiss your mother like that? No. They were making out. The Driver's action are enough to start a friendship, but considering how much he speaks, even that is dubious. I'm saying people won't get into a relationship with someone who clearly has a massive social problem. Why would someone want to be in a relationship where communication will be a massive barrier?

Please stop making things up. You have no idea about his likes or dislikes and there is absolutely no proof for anything you have said. We are analyzing the film, not the film mixed with fantasy.

Again, read the paragraph two above. Romance would not bloom from a socially inept helper; that is not how people work.

Again. stop making things up. You have no idea how long he has been doing the Driving thing. Watch the scene; he spouts it with such dead eyes that it does come across as slightly autistic, something with Movie Bob even said, so I'm sure as hell not alone in saying this, but pointing out if this is the case, then the film does not add up. The people treating him like normal is actually a flaw with the film because you would wouldn't. As you've never met someone with autisim, or aspergers, you may not know you have to treat them slightly differently.

The violence isn't pushing boundaries but to your admittance, it shouldn't be found in this genre.

Why could the scenes have not been more exciting whilst still exhibiting a cold and cool driver? They simply could have hence why your reasoning is flawed. There is no reason why he couldn't have been in the middle of the Matrix Reloaded Freeway chase and still emitting "cool and collected". The fact that the scenes were drab as hell is a failing on the directors behalf.

The film wasn't set in the 80's, therefore why the soundtrack? A title and jacket do not justify it.

Thanks for pointing that out; I'll look into it.

Just because there isn't a lot of dialogue doesn't mean that character can't be a fully flushed out and believable figure. Also, the majority of Nicolas Windig Refn's movies have very little dialogue and it is all delivered with deliberation and authority. Valhalla Rising probably has less than 400 lines of dialogue yet it is (in my opinion) one of the deepest and most thought producing movies I've ever seen. Refn himself even says that Drive is study of the de-evolution of man. From becoming a successful, calm, controlled person to devolving into a beast.

The awkward silences in the movie are used in a realistic tone, the awkward conversations between a man who's just met a woman that he is infatuated with happen between some people. It's very natural and it's a risk that some movies won't even attempt to take a chance with. This, laced in with brutal violence, creates a character that the audience is meant to think about. Is he a psychopath or is he doing what's necessary?

It's not meant to be an action movie, rather a character study and a look into a man collapsing mentally. I'm sorry that your opinion doesn't match those of others, and I'm not trying to force my opinion on you, just offering an explanation straight from the director's mouth. Also, never trust a trailer to be 100% accurate, and I recommend you read user reviews to get a better opinion on things.

The Cool Kid:
After watching Drive I was frustrated for two reasons:
1)The film is nothing like the trailers
2)The film is terrible

One is self explanatory and hard to argue with considering the film has about 5 minutes of driving and 30 seconds of action. Literally.

As there are many proponents of Drive, please answer me this:

How can a film be any good when the protagonist says 885 words? I was going to make a video to demonstrate how little he says, but it's easier to just show you because the quality of the script is startlingly bad:
Less then 4 pages at size 12 font, 168 lines out of a 84 page script with 45% of what Driver says ending in ellipses.
And we are meant to believe that a romance blossoms from this socially inept character?

This film is just fucking terrible and I have no idea what Movie Bob was thinking when he praised it. The romance is not natural, it's unbelievable as the above shows. In fact the entire film is. The "rainman" of driving is also apparently Brian Mills in his spare time, in a world of social incompetents as well as Jews who would fit the description given by any anti-Semitic. And yet it somehow manages a metacritic score of 79.

To sum this film up in one word, I would chose this one: bad.

I think the main problem is you went in expecting something else. The trailers did make it come across as an action movie but you can't blame the movie for that, blame the studio for misrepresenting it. So your first reason is a valid one.

Now to tackle you second reason "the film is terrible" which is actually an opinion. Here is why I disagree with it. Your first problem is the lack of dialogue from the protagonist, how can it be good if he doesn't say much? There are plenty of examples of protagonists being very quiet, it gives depth to conversation that should have none. The whole point is you are supposed to know as little as possible about this 'driver', you make up your own conclusions but he remains wholly a mystery.

Are we meant to believe a romance can bloom from this socially inept character? Uh...yeah? Have you ever looked at some couples, people are fucked up, some a lot worse than him, they still find love. You also have to question what you aren't seeing and take in the simple fact that this is probably the most lonely girl in all of existence since her husband is in prison and she is very meek (not to mention she could have fell for him based on looks alone, they are both very pretty after all).

You don't have to like the film, maybe it is getting too much hype but I still maintain that it was a good movie but that is just my opinion, after all it's subjective.

The Cool Kid:
After watching Drive I was frustrated for two reasons:
1)The film is nothing like the trailers
2)The film is terrible

One is self explanatory and hard to argue with considering the film has about 5 minutes of driving and 30 seconds of action. Literally.

As there are many proponents of Drive, please answer me this:

How can a film be any good when the protagonist says 885 words? I was going to make a video to demonstrate how little he says, but it's easier to just show you because the quality of the script is startlingly bad:

All of the protaginists lines from Drive. 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Less then 4 pages at size 12 font, 168 lines out of a 84 page script with 45% of what Driver says ending in ellipses.
And we are meant to believe that a romance blossoms from this socially inept character?

This film is just fucking terrible and I have no idea what Movie Bob was thinking when he praised it. The romance is not natural, it's unbelievable as the above shows. In fact the entire film is. The "rainman" of driving is also apparently Brian Mills in his spare time, in a world of social incompetents as well as Jews who would fit the description given by any anti-Semitic. And yet it somehow manages a metacritic score of 79.

To sum this film up in one word, I would chose this one: bad.

will say i agree on drive, the trailers for it were COMPLETE and totally misleading, from the action to the plot to the whole flow of the movie. and that's before you even step one foot into the theater for christ sake.

-there is a difference between pausing for mysteriousness and intrigue, the main character was slower than the most autistic person in the world, plain and simple. when you continue to do it every fucking second of the whole movie, and there are 10 second pauses between each sentence of the conversation? yeah, you gotta be fucking kidding me.

unfortunately i saw this movie at release, so i can't remember all the details, but it was truly garbage and if we went through scene by scene, i could point out shit tons of flaws with the movie, and how horrible the overall plot of it was, let alone the fact of how ignorantly stupid he was in the end dealing with the bad guys, not to mention the fact the bad guy does the stupidest stab in the book of villiany, (not to mention how stupid the main character was also in this scenario.)

if you like the movie, then that's great, more power to you, i enjoy shitty movies all the time, but don't try and tell me it's a brilliant piece of work, anything you thought was "good" about it, i could sit here and point out another movie that did it 10x better, yet didn't get half the praise for it probably. honestly when over 1/2 of the audience is leaving before the movie is over, and they are laughing at how pitiful it is, you seriously have some problems.

tl;dr i would have to be paid to watch this movie again, and if i did, i would constantly point out how shitty it was.

The Cool Kid:

psychic psycho:
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Would you kiss your mother like that? No. They were making out. The Driver's action are enough to start a friendship, but considering how much he speaks, even that is dubious. I'm saying people won't get into a relationship with someone who clearly has a massive social problem. Why would someone want to be in a relationship where communication will be a massive barrier?

Please stop making things up. You have no idea about his likes or dislikes and there is absolutely no proof for anything you have said. We are analyzing the film, not the film mixed with fantasy.

Again, read the paragraph two above. Romance would not bloom from a socially inept helper; that is not how people work.

Again. stop making things up. You have no idea how long he has been doing the Driving thing. Watch the scene; he spouts it with such dead eyes that it does come across as slightly autistic, something with Movie Bob even said, so I'm sure as hell not alone in saying this, but pointing out if this is the case, then the film does not add up. The people treating him like normal is actually a flaw with the film because you would wouldn't. As you've never met someone with autisim, or aspergers, you may not know you have to treat them slightly differently.

Two things.

1. You keep asking him "to stop making things up" when you keep rattling on about Driver's supposed autism. That's you making something up, so don't be a hypocrite. What's that, you think there's a reasonable basis for your assumption that he is? Well there's a reasonable basis for a lot of the assumptions you accuse this guy of making up.

2. On the Romance thing. You say it's unrealistic because you think no one would become romantically attached in that situation, that "people don't work like that". I'm sorry to disappoint you, but people are CRAZY. People will do ANYTHING, if we're talking about people the way you are, that no one in a general group would do X. People fall in love with bad people, people commit torture and genocide, people have, or don't have, romantic attractions to all sorts in all kinds of situations. It is entirely possible for someone to get a crush on "the strong silent type". You don't understand that and therefore can't treat it as credible? I don't understand misogyny, but it happens.

The Cool Kid:
Why on earth did you make up a backstory and speculate? It is a gigantic stretch because there are hundreds of reasons why he may not carry a weapon, all with sensible reasoning.

What are you referring to? I already said that the weapon thing was speculation on my part. I made it clear that it was just a suggestion. In fact, I basically dropped it. I went on to say that he is a stuntman, mechanic, and pretty soon a racecar driver (if Shannon's plans panned out). That's more than enough jobs to support one person. There's no reason for him to be a getaway driver, in addition to all that. It's logical to think that he also acts as a getaway driver to vent his more violent, thrill-seeking side. None of that seems to be made up to me.

The movie states a couple times that the Driver has recently situated himself in the city (I'm not %100 on this. I remember distinctly that it mentions this at least twice in the film. If this is wrong I'm completely off base and can see why you think I'm making things up). The few possessions that he has are his driving gloves, jacket, and his Chevy Malibu. He also only has one acquaintance in Shannon. No one seems to know much about the Driver's background. That sounds like the classic drifter trope to me.

The Cool Kid:
Organized crime is about money not some arbitrary notions of favors because one helps to fund things, the other does not.

The husband owed a debt. The gangsters wanted him to do a very specific job to help pay that debt. The job would have payed $1 million which is a most likely several times more than what the husband owed. Of course they don't tell him that, they were planning on crossing him anyway. So even if the husband could eventually pay his debt, however much it was, the gangsters were going to try their damnedest to pressure him into doing the job. They beat the crap out of him, in front of his son and even handed the kid a bullet. That's a very clear threat.

The Cool Kid:
How can gangsters follow you if you just move and change your name? In that situation it's a hell of a lot more sensible and reasonable then robbing a bank. It's nothing more then a ludicrous plot device.

The payoff would have been a million dollars, which is a substantial amount of money. I wouldn't be surprised if they had a few people to keep an eye on them to make sure they didn't try to run away: It's not like it's hard to do that, for a million dollars it would be well worth the effort. If that's not enough, yeah at the end of the day a movie's eventually going to require some suspension of disbelief.

The Cool Kid:
Look at the script!! He says almost nothing all of the time. A normal person certainly does not say only two or three words in a reply to a person. The fact that you don't like getting into conversations etc may be a reason this debate is being dragged out because you are not aware of what is socially normal.

People are shy. It's not weird for shy people, when put on the spot, to not be good with words. I suppose I can relate to him better, but I don't think he's severely handicapped mentally. He seems pretty aware of what's going on and not totally confused. You compare him to Rainman, that seems like a gross exaggeration to me.

As for myself it's not like I avoid talking completely. I'm comfortable with family and friends. I avoid conversations in school and other public places definitely. Truthfully, it's got more to do with being lazy than being super shy. When you're quiet it's easy to not to bring attention to yourself. Much easier to shirk responsibilities and avoid doing things.

The Cool Kid:
Would you kiss your mother like that? No. They were making out.

The point I was trying to make was that it wasn't an open mouth kiss and they didn't have their hands all over each other. So it wasn't a inappropriate, super passionate kiss. The driver pressed his lips against hers for a prolonged period of time (exaggerated by the fact that it was in slow-mo). Certainly more than a peck on the lips but less than a make out. Much more innocent then what other movies would have done. This is starting to be an issue of the semantics of the phrase "making-out" so I'll drop it. The point is the kiss was more like "I enjoyed spending time with you and I'm going to miss you, good-bye." You make it seem like the film is trying to show the final kiss of the greatest most powerful love.

The Cool Kid:
The Driver's action are enough to start a friendship, but considering how much he speaks, even that is dubious. I'm saying people won't get into a relationship with someone who clearly has a massive social problem. Why would someone want to be in a relationship where communication will be a massive barrier?

Isn't that what the film depicts though? The relationship is basically a friendship with the small possibility that it could be something more, almost solely on the fact that they're man and woman. Like I said before; except for the random kiss nothing was going on between the two, other than them spending time with each other. That sounds like a friendship to me. I agree that it wouldn't make sense for a romantic relationship to arise if the Driver was autistic and there was a huge barrier between them. Stranger things have happened though. Hell it's sounds exactly like a plot to a silly Lifetime channel movie. The story of the love, despite all odds, between a woman and man unable to communicate with each other. I wouldn't be surprised if that was already made. Ignoring that, the thing is I just don't believe the Driver's social abilities are as bad as you make them out to be, certainly not the level of Rainman's; so I don't find it hard to believe that something could start between them.

The Cool Kid:
Please stop making things up. You have no idea about his likes or dislikes and there is absolutely no proof for anything you have said. We are analyzing the film, not the film mixed with fantasy.

What part exactly are you objecting to? I'm assuming the part where I say I don't believe he likes coke or strippers? Which, honestly I think I gave pretty decent reasons why I came to those conclusions. I was just responding to the idea you threw out that, "For all you know he may have spent the last fortnight snorting coke of a bunch of strippers." It was silly in hindsight. I wasn't trying to say anything important with that.

The Cool Kid:
Again, read the paragraph two above. Romance would not bloom from a socially inept helper; that is not how people work.

I think you're overstating the size of the romance. How strong of a romance do you think the film is trying to depict? I see two people who are friends, who near end of the film share a random kiss in the heat of the moment. Nothing major. This also ends up being a debate on how mentally challenged the Driver is. Which, I just don't think he's anywhere near what your suggesting.

The Cool Kid:
Again. stop making things up. You have no idea how long he has been doing the Driving thing. Watch the scene; he spouts it with such dead eyes that it does come across as slightly autistic, something with Movie Bob even said, so I'm sure as hell not alone in saying this, but pointing out if this is the case, then the film does not add up. The people treating him like normal is actually a flaw with the film because you would wouldn't. As you've never met someone with autisim, or aspergers, you may not know you have to treat them slightly differently.

Are you seriously giving me shit for suggesting (I never said it was fact) the driver has been driving for awhile? I think the Driver eats, sleeps, and drinks, even though it's never explicitly shown or stated. I'm also assuming the film takes place on Earth, not some alternate universe version of it. The guy's a very skilled driver. He knows how to fix cars. Is it that silly to think that he's been doing it for a long time? He has very specific rules. It sounds like he's experienced and knows what he's doing. I said he might have spouted the lines with little energy because he's been doing it for some time. Yes it's an inference, based on what was shown in the film. Much like your belief that the driver was autistic. Really, you came to that conclusion because he's quiet and doesn't say much, in addition to having "dead-eyes" in a single scene. If inferring that he's been driving for awhile is making things up then you're guilty of the same thing.

Yes, I'm aware that people with autism or aspergers need to be treated a bit differently. I pointed out that if the driver was autistic, why does everyone treat him normally? If the Driver is autistic you actually think that the film makes the huge mistake of having everyone in the film not acknowledge it: That the filmmakers weren't aware that people with autism are usually treated differently? You can say that it's very apparent and obvious that the Driver's autistic but then why would nobody notice or react to it. If they thought there was something off about him they would call it out and bring attention to it, maybe even make fun of it. Most of the characters were thugs, they wouldn't care about being tactful. I don't think gangsters are open-minded enough to hire an autistic driver It's much more believable that the film's mistake was making a quite man seem autistic, than what you suggested.

There's also the possiblity that the Driver DOES have autism; I don't believe it, but I haven't ruled it out. He has autism but nobody notices. If that's the case it wouldn't be so unusual for the woman to accidentally let something happen between them. Have you seen TV show Arrested Development? If you haven't seen it I'm not going to spoil it, just that something similar happens.

The Cool Kid:
Why could the scenes have not been more exciting whilst still exhibiting a cold and cool driver? They simply could have hence why your reasoning is flawed. There is no reason why he couldn't have been in the middle of the Matrix Reloaded Freeway chase and still emitting "cool and collected". The fact that the scenes were drab as hell is a failing on the directors behalf.

Cool, I see what your saying. Still, having high-adrenaline driving sequences seems out of place to me. The film wasn't trying to be a big Hollywood blockbuster. Although, as you've noted, the trailers do kinda make it look like one. The film's budget was a lot smaller than something like Fast Five, as well (about eight times less, actually). Even if they did try for something more exciting it probably wouldn't reach the spectacle of bigger budgets films. It's understandable they tried something different, even if many people aren't going to agree with it. I actually liked what they did with the driving scenes though, I didn't think they were boring. Because, both the driving itself and the way it was shot was very clinical and restrained I thought it really emphasized the driver's attitude. I Only wished there were one or two more scenes. I can see why people think the opening scene was boring. I just thought it was kinda neat that he outsmarts the cops instead of out-driving them. It's a different take on what a getaway driver does. Have you seen Taken (2008)? The driving in that film was fairly restrained compared to other movies but I enjoyed them. Maybe, I just have weird tastes. That's not to say I hate over the top driving, like the stuff in Fast Five. I enjoyed that as well. So, I definitely see what you're saying, I don't neccessarily agree with it though.

The Cool Kid:
The film wasn't set in the 80's, therefore why the soundtrack? A title and jacket do not justify it.

I also noted that there were a couple of vintage cars, most notably the Driver's own 1973 Chevrolet Malibu. The director also said he was inspired by older genre car films of the 70's. Other than that, what if the director just dug the music and wanted it in the film. Is that so bad? It's not like the music was out of place. I agree that the film can give off a slight air of pretentiousness, but not because of the soundtrack.

Whodat:
Just because there isn't a lot of dialogue doesn't mean that character can't be a fully flushed out and believable figure. Also, the majority of Nicolas Windig Refn's movies have very little dialogue and it is all delivered with deliberation and authority. Valhalla Rising probably has less than 400 lines of dialogue yet it is (in my opinion) one of the deepest and most thought producing movies I've ever seen. Refn himself even says that Drive is study of the de-evolution of man. From becoming a successful, calm, controlled person to devolving into a beast.

The awkward silences in the movie are used in a realistic tone, the awkward conversations between a man who's just met a woman that he is infatuated with happen between some people. It's very natural and it's a risk that some movies won't even attempt to take a chance with. This, laced in with brutal violence, creates a character that the audience is meant to think about. Is he a psychopath or is he doing what's necessary?

It's not meant to be an action movie, rather a character study and a look into a man collapsing mentally. I'm sorry that your opinion doesn't match those of others, and I'm not trying to force my opinion on you, just offering an explanation straight from the director's mouth. Also, never trust a trailer to be 100% accurate, and I recommend you read user reviews to get a better opinion on things.

He says almost nothing to everyone so your idea of infatuation doesn't work. Plus no one is that silent unless they have serious problems.
Natural? Read the script. How is that natural? Find me the person who says that little all the time to everyone.
Psychopaths are always socially adept, not socially inept; that's part of their condition. How can you have a character study when you know nothing about the Driver's history, and learn nothing of him in the film other then he can barely talk and someone manages to be a fist-fighting expert out of nowhere? Smells like bullshit plot devices to me.
The trailer doesn't change my view on the film. It's nothing more then unrealistic plot devices and plot holes loosely stitched together.

SurfinTaxt:

It's a rare look at a different kind of hero. Ryan Gosling is known for playing unconventional lead roles, he says a lot with very little. Sometimes a film is more about what isn't said than what is, in fact, a lot of very good films hold this as a mantra. E.g. Master & Commander: Far side of the world is an epic piece of film making with plenty of sweeping 20 minute scenes where nothing at all is said.

Youre entitled to an opinion, however I suggest you watch it again at some point in the future, in a setting where there arent any distractions. I felt the same way about No country for old men when I first saw it because I was at a theater with friends after smoking a big fat bowl and couldnt pay attention at all, but when I saw it again, I loved all the little details that Id missed the first time around.

In this film he says very little. He has the same emotionless grimace and can't seem to throw out more then three words. And there is no such 20 minute scene in Master and Commander. 5 minute montages when they are on the Atoll, sure, but that's to help the pace to not slow to a grinding halt as we don't need 30 minutes watching bug hunting, and not of the Starship Troopers variety.
There were no distractions the first time around and I fail to see how watching it again will make an extremely unrealistic script seem reasonable, or sort out the gaping plot holes.

Shotgun Guy:

I think the main problem is you went in expecting something else. The trailers did make it come across as an action movie but you can't blame the movie for that, blame the studio for misrepresenting it. So your first reason is a valid one.

Now to tackle you second reason "the film is terrible" which is actually an opinion. Here is why I disagree with it. Your first problem is the lack of dialogue from the protagonist, how can it be good if he doesn't say much? There are plenty of examples of protagonists being very quiet, it gives depth to conversation that should have none. The whole point is you are supposed to know as little as possible about this 'driver', you make up your own conclusions but he remains wholly a mystery.

Are we meant to believe a romance can bloom from this socially inept character? Uh...yeah? Have you ever looked at some couples, people are fucked up, some a lot worse than him, they still find love. You also have to question what you aren't seeing and take in the simple fact that this is probably the most lonely girl in all of existence since her husband is in prison and she is very meek (not to mention she could have fell for him based on looks alone, they are both very pretty after all).

You don't have to like the film, maybe it is getting too much hype but I still maintain that it was a good movie but that is just my opinion, after all it's subjective.

Expecting a different film really wasn't a problem. I've a very diverse taste in films.

You state why a silent protagonist can work, which I agree with, but not how it is applicable to Drive when you consider the plot holes and unbelievable script. The romance was ludicrous. The only person I know who is almost as silent as Driver and is in a relationship happens to be in a relationship with a woman who is literally a lunatic. Considering Irene shows us no signs of being socially stunted or inept, there is no reasoning why should would ignore the oddities of Driver.

Side note: Why are guys describing Gosling as pretty???

How was it a good film? Considering the lack of script, action and common sense, how was it good and not pretentious drivel?

psychic psycho:
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Yeah that was way too long and I didn't read it. Can you try to be far more concise because giant walls of text take too long to go through and generally can always be made far, far shorter.
Though I will say your sense of logic seems a bit off:
"It's logical to think that he also acts as a getaway driver to vent his more violent, thrill-seeking side. "
Most people just go do an adrenaline sport, not be a getaway driver...

Smiley Face:

Two things.

1. You keep asking him "to stop making things up" when you keep rattling on about Driver's supposed autism. That's you making something up, so don't be a hypocrite. What's that, you think there's a reasonable basis for your assumption that he is? Well there's a reasonable basis for a lot of the assumptions you accuse this guy of making up.

2. On the Romance thing. You say it's unrealistic because you think no one would become romantically attached in that situation, that "people don't work like that". I'm sorry to disappoint you, but people are CRAZY. People will do ANYTHING, if we're talking about people the way you are, that no one in a general group would do X. People fall in love with bad people, people commit torture and genocide, people have, or don't have, romantic attractions to all sorts in all kinds of situations. It is entirely possible for someone to get a crush on "the strong silent type". You don't understand that and therefore can't treat it as credible? I don't understand misogyny, but it happens.

From what we see in the film, we could conclude he is autistic, just as concluding that Blanche is dead, without a doctor having to be on the scene and going "Yeah, she's dead alright". I'm not speculating about past behaviors, history etc therefore I'm not making anything up. He is so socially inept in the film that if anyone was to copy his behavior in real life, they'd be classified with a mental deficiency.
No, people are not "crazy". People are predictable as hell - go read a psychology paper. Trends are all around you in what people like and so on. Fact is his social ineptitude would be deemed as unattractive, more so to a mothers, because people are not attracted to unhealthy signs, and mothers are less attracted to men who show bad fatherly qualities.
Don't run with wild examples and think they hold any relevance. Genocide and torture are not common place so why mention them? In fact that proves my point about trends.

The Cool Kid:

Yeah that was way too long and I didn't read it. Can you try to be far more concise because giant walls of text take too long to go through and generally can always be made far, far shorter.
Though I will say your sense of logic seems a bit off:
"It's logical to think that he also acts as a getaway driver to vent his more violent, thrill-seeking side. "
Most people just go do an adrenaline sport, not be a getaway driver...

As for the getaway driving for adrenaline:
Yeah, most people would just take a sport or something. But as you've already noted this guy clearly isn't normal. He is a skilled driver. It's not weird to think he likes to drive. People usually have a passion for what they're good at. How many ways can you get your driving fix? Getaway driving supplies the challenge he needs. I can't imagine that he does the getaway driver thing solely for the money when he has all those other jobs to support himself. ANYWAY if you remember, the whole reason I got into this was to show that his violent side didn't come from out of nowhere.

The Cool Kid:

Expecting a different film really wasn't a problem. I've a very diverse taste in films.

You state why a silent protagonist can work, which I agree with, but not how it is applicable to Drive when you consider the plot holes and unbelievable script. The romance was ludicrous. The only person I know who is almost as silent as Driver and is in a relationship happens to be in a relationship with a woman who is literally a lunatic. Considering Irene shows us no signs of being socially stunted or inept, there is no reasoning why should would ignore the oddities of Driver.

Side note: Why are guys describing Gosling as pretty???

How was it a good film? Considering the lack of script, action and common sense, how was it good and not pretentious drivel?

Okay seeing as my first post was mainly about why I disagreed with some of your opinions and not how I enjoyed the film, I'll try to change it up a bit. I guess we won't see eye to eye on the romance, which is fine, it did seem a little misplaced. I think the fact that it was misplaced is one of the reasons I liked it, a lot of things in the film just felt off, which I personally enjoyed. Take the scene where:

What made Drive good to me isn't what they did, it's what they chose not to do. I think this is why you didn't like it, for me it helped make the rest of the movie stand out, for you it made you hate it.

Side note: Because you don't have to be gay to know when a dude is pretty, Gosling is a pretty dude.

Shotgun Guy:

The Cool Kid:

Expecting a different film really wasn't a problem. I've a very diverse taste in films.

You state why a silent protagonist can work, which I agree with, but not how it is applicable to Drive when you consider the plot holes and unbelievable script. The romance was ludicrous. The only person I know who is almost as silent as Driver and is in a relationship happens to be in a relationship with a woman who is literally a lunatic. Considering Irene shows us no signs of being socially stunted or inept, there is no reasoning why should would ignore the oddities of Driver.

Side note: Why are guys describing Gosling as pretty???

How was it a good film? Considering the lack of script, action and common sense, how was it good and not pretentious drivel?

Okay seeing as my first post was mainly about why I disagreed with some of your opinions and not how I enjoyed the film, I'll try to change it up a bit. I guess we won't see eye to eye on the romance, which is fine, it did seem a little misplaced. I think the fact that it was misplaced is one of the reasons I liked it, a lot of things in the film just felt off, which I personally enjoyed. Take the scene where:

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What made Drive good to me isn't what they did, it's what they chose not to do. I think this is why you didn't like it, for me it helped make the rest of the movie stand out, for you it made you hate it.

Side note: Because you don't have to be gay to know when a dude is pretty, Gosling is a pretty dude.

The thing is the romance is not going to occur in real life. Ever. It was ludicrous. It was so misplaced it broke all immersion because I was left going "The fuck? Well that's just retarded..."

Bernie does want Shannon dead, he just regrets it had to come to that. The fact that Bernie personally does it, and keeps the weapon is cliche and unrealistic, not to mention walking into the trailer with a blood splattered jacket in broad daylight. When things are misplaced in Drive, they are misplaced and feel unrealistic, even absurd, which certainly does not aid the film.

All I would say is go watch Requiem for a Dream, A Scanner Darkly and Moon, then watch Drive. Then we will see if you still think the latter is a good film or is just as bad as twilight, but wrapped in layers of pretension.

Side note: Guys are handsome, women are pretty. Men are not pretty.

psychic psycho:

The Cool Kid:

Yeah that was way too long and I didn't read it. Can you try to be far more concise because giant walls of text take too long to go through and generally can always be made far, far shorter.
Though I will say your sense of logic seems a bit off:
"It's logical to think that he also acts as a getaway driver to vent his more violent, thrill-seeking side. "
Most people just go do an adrenaline sport, not be a getaway driver...

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As for the getaway driving for adrenaline:
Yeah, most people would just take a sport or something. But as you've already noted this guy clearly isn't normal. He is a skilled driver. It's not weird to think he likes to drive. People usually have a passion for what they're good at. How many ways can you get your driving fix? Getaway driving supplies the challenge he needs. I can't imagine that he does the getaway driver thing solely for the money when he has all those other jobs to support himself. ANYWAY if you remember, the whole reason I got into this was to show that his violent side didn't come from out of nowhere.

If you don't think Drivers social skills are that bad then please, tell me why that is so. I've shown how his sentences comprise of very few words and almost 50% end in ellipses & didn't even mention his random pausing. So if you could explain why he is socially able that'd be useful.

F1 drivers etc aren't getaway drivers...In fact the notion of a getaway driver is just a gimmick long dead from the prohibition era. In this day and age with helicopters and so on, there is no need for a talented driver because if the cops are on your scent, you're done regardless of skill. It's just another plot device where in a Jason Statham world is acceptable, but in Drive's world every part seems to be derived from different genres.

Challenge he needs? That's just a presumption sorry. You have no idea if he needs a challenge just as much as a crack rock.
Violence and driving are completely separate. Someone doesn't paint to express their love for fencing. So why drive if you want to fight? Wouldn't you go box or train in MMA? It's just a nonsensical plot device having the Driver being a getaway driver and some hand-to-hand pro whilst providing no backstory.

The Cool Kid:

The thing is the romance is not going to occur in real life. Ever. It was ludicrous. It was so misplaced it broke all immersion because I was left going "The fuck? Well that's just retarded..."

Bernie does want Shannon dead, he just regrets it had to come to that. The fact that Bernie personally does it, and keeps the weapon is cliche and unrealistic, not to mention walking into the trailer with a blood splattered jacket in broad daylight. When things are misplaced in Drive, they are misplaced and feel unrealistic, even absurd, which certainly does not aid the film.

All I would say is go watch Requiem for a Dream, A Scanner Darkly and Moon, then watch Drive. Then we will see if you still think the latter is a good film or is just as bad as twilight, but wrapped in layers of pretension.

Side note: Guys are handsome, women are pretty. Men are not pretty.

I've seen those movies, I enjoyed them. I'm not claiming Drive is the best movie ever, I certainly feel it is better than Twilight. It seems like you have a really big problem suspending disbelief, you really think he wouldn't keep the weapon? The cops aren't going to catch him, it is trying to make the point that he has done this before, probably quiet a bit. As for the Driver walking around with blood on his jacket, I think it is pretty obvious that he doesn't give much of a fuck by that point in the film, I felt like he was kinda in shock over the whole thing and didn't even bother to clean himself up, again it worked for me and it pissed you off. If you really judge every film as harshly as this one, you must hate a LOT of movies is all I can say.

Side note: Pretty, handsome, whatever, I'm not gonna argue semantics, haha.

Shotgun Guy:

The Cool Kid:

The thing is the romance is not going to occur in real life. Ever. It was ludicrous. It was so misplaced it broke all immersion because I was left going "The fuck? Well that's just retarded..."

Bernie does want Shannon dead, he just regrets it had to come to that. The fact that Bernie personally does it, and keeps the weapon is cliche and unrealistic, not to mention walking into the trailer with a blood splattered jacket in broad daylight. When things are misplaced in Drive, they are misplaced and feel unrealistic, even absurd, which certainly does not aid the film.

All I would say is go watch Requiem for a Dream, A Scanner Darkly and Moon, then watch Drive. Then we will see if you still think the latter is a good film or is just as bad as twilight, but wrapped in layers of pretension.

Side note: Guys are handsome, women are pretty. Men are not pretty.

I've seen those movies, I enjoyed them. I'm not claiming Drive is the best movie ever, I certainly feel it is better than Twilight. It seems like you have a really big problem suspending disbelief, you really think he wouldn't keep the weapon? The cops aren't going to catch him, it is trying to make the point that he has done this before, probably quiet a bit. As for the Driver walking around with blood on his jacket, I think it is pretty obvious that he doesn't give much of a fuck by that point in the film, I felt like he was kinda in shock over the whole thing and didn't even bother to clean himself up, again it worked for me and it pissed you off. If you really judge every film as harshly as this one, you must hate a LOT of movies is all I can say.

Side note: Pretty, handsome, whatever, I'm not gonna argue semantics, haha.

I'm a fan of Schwarzenegger films and Starship Troopers so I can suspend disbelief but in this film it just seems out of place. If it was an action,fair enough, but it isn't. It's a thriller with romantic elements. You should ask yourself what would it have taken for you to say enough is enough with the film? The emergence of zombies? Because to suspend belief, even when something is out of context within the film, just seems ignorant of good directing.

Gang bosses never, ever, ever do the killing themselves. That is just a ridiculous Hollywood cliche. To then keep the weapon is also absolutely absurd and unrealistic. It just doesn't fit the gritty tone the film is trying to achieve but would be better found in a satire.
If you don't give a fuck that's not going to stop the cops coming up on you in 3 mins and chucking you in the back of a squad car. Again, highly unrealistic.
In shock? You felt?....No, you either see or hear it on screen, or you don't think it because when you start speculating I could say he didn't notice the blood because he was off his face on crack, hence the lack of speech as well. Speculation is worthless.
I don't hate a lot of film but Drive is so mismatched. The misty eyed romance would suggest it's a romance, the actions scenes would suggest a gritty action e.g. Taken, but the plot holes would suggest a giant satire, yet the levels of pretension would say that it is taking itself seriously. It's a completely confused mess and I'm taking it on face value, and not making parts up to fill in the gaps.
Handsome and pretty are very different. Save yourself a bouquet in the future and find out that difference.

The Cool Kid:
F1 drivers etc aren't getaway drivers...In fact the notion of a getaway driver is just a gimmick long dead from the prohibition era. In this day and age with helicopters and so on, there is no need for a talented driver because if the cops are on your scent, you're done regardless of skill. It's just another plot device where in a Jason Statham world is acceptable, but in Drive's world every part seems to be derived from different genres.

Challenge he needs? That's just a presumption sorry. You have no idea if he needs a challenge just as much as a crack rock.
Violence and driving are completely separate. Someone doesn't paint to express their love for fencing. So why drive if you want to fight? Wouldn't you go box or train in MMA? It's just a nonsensical plot device having the Driver being a getaway driver and some hand-to-hand pro whilst providing no backstory.

F1 drivers wouldn't want to be getaway drivers because, they can race all they want. Not everyone can be an F1 driver. The Driver had a chance to become a racecar driver if Shannon's efforts didn't go south. I didn't say he liked to fight, but might have a violent streak. Somebody has a bit of a violent streak and wants to punch their boss in the face. They could do a number of things not related to fighting to get it out of their system, like squeezing a stress ball, jogging, listening to music, whatever. It's not like I'm committed to the idea. At this point though let's drop this topic as it's no longer contributing to anything. I'm not trying to deprive you of having the last word, just a heads up that I'm not going to respond to it.

If you don't think Drivers social skills are that bad then please, tell me why that is so. I've shown how his sentences comprise of very few words and almost 50% end in ellipses & didn't even mention his random pausing. So if you could explain why he is socially able that'd be useful.

On a side note: The list of the protagonist's lines in the OP is incomplete. For starters, many of the driver's lines in the memorable quotes section of the IMDB page is omitted in your list. I don't know how much you're missing. It could be a little, it could be a lot. The point is you say that's the complete list, but that's not accurate. The ellipses are unnecessary, the IMDB did not contain any ellipses. Even if they are short, many are complete thoughts/sentences. He might have said them in a way that sound like they end in ellipses. However, It's not like he had anymore to say and just trailed off for no reason... If I ended all my sentences in ellipses would that make me autistic...?

Back on Topic: I'll put it in a spoiler box as not to take too much space. I'm not sure if you read it, but it was in one of my other posts.

The Cool Kid:

Shotgun Guy:

The Cool Kid:

The thing is the romance is not going to occur in real life. Ever. It was ludicrous. It was so misplaced it broke all immersion because I was left going "The fuck? Well that's just retarded..."

Bernie does want Shannon dead, he just regrets it had to come to that. The fact that Bernie personally does it, and keeps the weapon is cliche and unrealistic, not to mention walking into the trailer with a blood splattered jacket in broad daylight. When things are misplaced in Drive, they are misplaced and feel unrealistic, even absurd, which certainly does not aid the film.

All I would say is go watch Requiem for a Dream, A Scanner Darkly and Moon, then watch Drive. Then we will see if you still think the latter is a good film or is just as bad as twilight, but wrapped in layers of pretension.

Side note: Guys are handsome, women are pretty. Men are not pretty.

I've seen those movies, I enjoyed them. I'm not claiming Drive is the best movie ever, I certainly feel it is better than Twilight. It seems like you have a really big problem suspending disbelief, you really think he wouldn't keep the weapon? The cops aren't going to catch him, it is trying to make the point that he has done this before, probably quiet a bit. As for the Driver walking around with blood on his jacket, I think it is pretty obvious that he doesn't give much of a fuck by that point in the film, I felt like he was kinda in shock over the whole thing and didn't even bother to clean himself up, again it worked for me and it pissed you off. If you really judge every film as harshly as this one, you must hate a LOT of movies is all I can say.

Side note: Pretty, handsome, whatever, I'm not gonna argue semantics, haha.

I'm a fan of Schwarzenegger films and Starship Troopers so I can suspend disbelief but in this film it just seems out of place. If it was an action,fair enough, but it isn't. It's a thriller with romantic elements. You should ask yourself what would it have taken for you to say enough is enough with the film? The emergence of zombies? Because to suspend belief, even when something is out of context within the film, just seems ignorant of good directing.

Gang bosses never, ever, ever do the killing themselves. That is just a ridiculous Hollywood cliche. To then keep the weapon is also absolutely absurd and unrealistic. It just doesn't fit the gritty tone the film is trying to achieve but would be better found in a satire.
If you don't give a fuck that's not going to stop the cops coming up on you in 3 mins and chucking you in the back of a squad car. Again, highly unrealistic.
In shock? You felt?....No, you either see or hear it on screen, or you don't think it because when you start speculating I could say he didn't notice the blood because he was off his face on crack, hence the lack of speech as well. Speculation is worthless.
I don't hate a lot of film but Drive is so mismatched. The misty eyed romance would suggest it's a romance, the actions scenes would suggest a gritty action e.g. Taken, but the plot holes would suggest a giant satire, yet the levels of pretension would say that it is taking itself seriously. It's a completely confused mess and I'm taking it on face value, and not making parts up to fill in the gaps.
Handsome and pretty are very different. Save yourself a bouquet in the future and find out that difference.

I pride myself on knowing when to stop arguing with someone because they simply refuse to change their mind or at least take you seriously, the fact that you are now fighting me on the difference between pretty and handsome speaks volumes as to the type of person you are. I came here for a debate, I hate when I end up in nearly a verbal fight. You refuse to see my side and simply feel I am wrong for whatever arbitrary reason you can produce, I'm done with this as it has become a complete waste of my time.

Shotgun Guy:

The Cool Kid:

I'm a fan of Schwarzenegger films and Starship Troopers so I can suspend disbelief but in this film it just seems out of place. If it was an action,fair enough, but it isn't. It's a thriller with romantic elements. You should ask yourself what would it have taken for you to say enough is enough with the film? The emergence of zombies? Because to suspend belief, even when something is out of context within the film, just seems ignorant of good directing.

Gang bosses never, ever, ever do the killing themselves. That is just a ridiculous Hollywood cliche. To then keep the weapon is also absolutely absurd and unrealistic. It just doesn't fit the gritty tone the film is trying to achieve but would be better found in a satire.
If you don't give a fuck that's not going to stop the cops coming up on you in 3 mins and chucking you in the back of a squad car. Again, highly unrealistic.
In shock? You felt?....No, you either see or hear it on screen, or you don't think it because when you start speculating I could say he didn't notice the blood because he was off his face on crack, hence the lack of speech as well. Speculation is worthless.
I don't hate a lot of film but Drive is so mismatched. The misty eyed romance would suggest it's a romance, the actions scenes would suggest a gritty action e.g. Taken, but the plot holes would suggest a giant satire, yet the levels of pretension would say that it is taking itself seriously. It's a completely confused mess and I'm taking it on face value, and not making parts up to fill in the gaps.
Handsome and pretty are very different. Save yourself a bouquet in the future and find out that difference.

I pride myself on knowing when to stop arguing with someone because they simply refuse to change their mind or at least take you seriously, the fact that you are now fighting me on the difference between pretty and handsome speaks volumes as to the type of person you are. I came here for a debate, I hate when I end up in nearly a verbal fight. You refuse to see my side and simply feel I am wrong for whatever arbitrary reason you can produce, I'm done with this as it has become a complete waste of my time.

Are you sure it's me who refuses to change my mind? Those two words have very different meanings. Fact. Check a dictionary and see for yourself. So why are you saying that's a negative aspect for me to point that out when hushed as if I'm being pedantic?
How is this a fight? You make a point, I counter it if possible, and likewise you should. That is how discussion is done. As I said, the film pulls together too many genres to make it believable just as if R2D2 had been in The Departed, or Batman in Schindler's List. I also believe that drawing baseless conclusions about characters attitude is worthless, as my previous example about him being spaced due to crack demonstrates.
As a life tip, don't always freak out if your view is flawed. Why do we fall? I'm sure you know how to finish that saying...

psychic psycho:

The Cool Kid:
F1 drivers etc aren't getaway drivers...In fact the notion of a getaway driver is just a gimmick long dead from the prohibition era. In this day and age with helicopters and so on, there is no need for a talented driver because if the cops are on your scent, you're done regardless of skill. It's just another plot device where in a Jason Statham world is acceptable, but in Drive's world every part seems to be derived from different genres.

Challenge he needs? That's just a presumption sorry. You have no idea if he needs a challenge just as much as a crack rock.
Violence and driving are completely separate. Someone doesn't paint to express their love for fencing. So why drive if you want to fight? Wouldn't you go box or train in MMA? It's just a nonsensical plot device having the Driver being a getaway driver and some hand-to-hand pro whilst providing no backstory.

F1 drivers wouldn't want to be getaway drivers because, they can race all they want. Not everyone can be an F1 driver. The Driver had a chance to become a racecar driver if Shannon's efforts didn't go south. I didn't say he liked to fight, but might have a violent streak. Somebody has a bit of a violent streak and wants to punch their boss in the face. They could do a number of things not related to fighting to get it out of their system, like squeezing a stress ball, jogging, listening to music, whatever. It's not like I'm committed to the idea. At this point though let's drop this topic as it's no longer contributing to anything. I'm not trying to deprive you of having the last word, just a heads up that I'm not going to respond to it.

If you don't think Drivers social skills are that bad then please, tell me why that is so. I've shown how his sentences comprise of very few words and almost 50% end in ellipses & didn't even mention his random pausing. So if you could explain why he is socially able that'd be useful.

On a side note: The list of the protagonist's lines in the OP is incomplete. For starters, many of the driver's lines in the memorable quotes section of the IMDB page is omitted in your list. I don't know how much you're missing. It could be a little, it could be a lot. The point is you say that's the complete list, but that's not accurate. The ellipses are unnecessary, the IMDB did not contain any ellipses. Even if they are short, many are complete thoughts/sentences. He might have said them in a way that sound like they end in ellipses. However, It's not like he had anymore to say and just trailed off for no reason... If I ended all my sentences in ellipses would that make me autistic...?

Back on Topic: I'll put it in a spoiler box as not to take too much space. I'm not sure if you read it, but it was in one of my other posts.

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If you want to drive, go to a race day, or depending on who you know etc, street racing. Getaway drivers simply don't exist in the manner to satisfy any driving passion. That's just a cliche Hollywood notion. But if we work with that it's the sort of genre to play on such ideas, then okay, fair enough, no one is going to criticize The Transporter for it. However, Drive doesn't have enough action scenes to warrant the same genre badge as the Transporter by a long shot.
He might have a violent streak. He might not. He might have a fetish for licking gravy off of carpets in motels, he might not. It's just baseless speculation. Ultimately him going from socially inept stuntman to Byran Mills seems very far fetched.

I just checked and a few lines at that are missing. Check the wording. Some of it is different:
http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Drive.html
I missed the intro because a monologue doesn't really count, but add it if you wish, it still would make his lines about 4 pages at size 12, new line each line.
The ellipses are accurate if you consider how he replies. He trails his answers and words. If you spoke only two or three words and trailed them when you spoke, then yes, that would mean you probably have a social impairment.

I think you misunderstand me. I'm not saying that his character IS autistic, but his character unknowingly to the director, has the social skills as IF he was autistic, making the film that more unbelievable.

Kasurami:

The Cool Kid:

To sum this film up in one word, I would chose this one: bad.

Oh hey, that's a shame. You put that it's up to me to decide, and I decided that Drive is in fact an excellent movie, and that your criticisms make absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Because...? Without an explanation that's as good a point as the crazy man that tried telling me potatoes grow on trees.

gmaverick019:
honestly when over 1/2 of the audience is leaving before the movie is over, and they are laughing at how pitiful it is, you seriously have some problems.

I knew it was a bad film, but not seen by others as being that bad. That's pretty hilarious to be honest and good to know I'm not the only one who thought the main character was completely unrealistic.

The Cool Kid:
After watching Drive I was frustrated for two reasons:
1)The film is nothing like the trailers

I just have to say that I hate this argument. That is not a fault of the film, it is a fault of the marketing. There was information everywhere online as to it being a mid-paced drama film, if you only went by the trailer and went into this film blind it's your own fault. With information freely available on the internet, there is absolutely no excuse for not researching a film before you go see it, esepecially given the price of a cinema ticket or DVD.