Muckraker  Posts: 227 Joined: 3 Sep 2008     | |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 423 Joined: 27 Aug 2008     | wow you really hit the gombah on the head with that one |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3240 Joined: 10 Nov 2007     | I fully agree, Nintendo have completely abandoned their roots, and haven't made a decent set of playing cards in years.... |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2849 Joined: 8 Jul 2008    | Right on the money. It seems they aren't even trying anymore... If they can convince me otherwise then I will... I will kiss Reggie's ring... |
Paperboy  Posts: 15 Joined: 11 Aug 2008    |
Including the not too well known game (Its a hit in japan) Peeing into a toilet. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 134 Joined: 7 Dec 2008     | I want to love Nintendo,But they just dont seem to care |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1413 Joined: 27 Jul 2008   | Nintendo got infected with the moneymilker virus after the GameCube expired. Your entire review in one sentence. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2068 Joined: 5 Jun 2008    | I dislike the Wii out of all the Nintendo systems the most! I was really hoping Brawl and Mario Kart would last me for years but now there is nothing really these days. Theres a whole heap of good war and assassin games on the other consoles but I'm just not into those games. I have to admit though that the Wii shopping channel for classic games is a great idea! |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 471 Joined: 8 Nov 2008    | I've always disliked Nintendo. Long long ago I prefered the Sega Mega Drive/Genesis over the SNES, but Nintendo had greater marketing support and got the "trendy" vote. Then Sega slipped up with their next few consoles and crumbled. Atari also stumbled a fair bit at the time I believe. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3509 Joined: 20 Aug 2008    | This is less a review and more of a rant. There needs to be more detailed exposition of Nintendo's hardware compared to its competition and the author's voice is intrusive and hectoring rather than welcoming to the reader. It's harder to write a good negative review than a good positive one, but here you seem to completely miss the point. Your title betrays the flaw in your approach: "Why I Hate Nintendo" is not a review and it doesn't set up a review. It sets up a fanboy rant, which is exactly what you deliver. This might've worked in Gaming Discussion or Off-Topic (although the ensuing flamewar would probably attract mod attention sooner rather than later), but in User Reviews it falls way short of standard. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. |
Muckraker Posts: 227 Joined: 3 Sep 2008 |
This reply is like, part satire, part trolling, and part genuine critique. Either way, I laughed. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 414 Joined: 18 Feb 2008     | Does anyone have that little sound clip of Peewee and the group screaming? That's the only appropriate noise I can think of at the mention of EVIL, VILE CASUAL GAMING, GRARG! GENUINE GAMING! RAAAARG! As for wanting to make money? Spoilers, they always have. That's why they're a business and not a charity. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1138 Joined: 11 Jul 2008    | And, with a deep sigh and heavy heart, I reply in the same manner as I always do to people bitching about casual gamers. Yes, while there are more casual games on the Wii and DS than other formats, that doesn't mean that genuine Nintendo classics don't exist. Why shouldn't casual gamers be catered for too? I can hardly get my mum a NES and a copy of Battletoads for Christmas. Nintendo identified a gap in the market for casual games and exploited it well. Good luck to them, because that's good business sense, and any company who had spotted that gap would have done exactly the same thing. This rant seems to have been based purely on the ads you've seen on the TV rather than any genuine research, which would have shown Ouendan, Phoenix Wright, Trauma Center, Hotel Dusk and a massive list that I can't be bothered to reel off again.
^Touche, sir... |
Muckraker Posts: 227 Joined: 3 Sep 2008 |
I don't have a problem with a company trying to satisfy casual gamers. And maybe you should re-read this thread because that isn't at all what I was getting at. My problem is with selling out. When a company is continually upheld financially by long-time fans, then turns away from them to satisfy a totally different demographic just to make their wallets a little bit bigger. The main points of this thread are: |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 84 Joined: 21 Jul 2008    | I'm not one to bag on about 'casuals' in spite of my absolute love for difficult games, but I will say this. The Wii is the worst system of this console generation. Not because it's got 'lower specs' or it's 'for casuals', but simply because most of the games are bad. They're mini-game collections or 'let's waggle the wiimote a lot' games. In all Honesty though, it's the same problem the DS had at the start, back when EVERYTHING had to use the touchscreen as much as possible. However, the DS grew out of it pretty quickly. A couple of years on, and the number of games shoehorning the stylus in had dropped precipitously, and the uses of the stylus had become more fitting. We're still not past that point with the Wii yet, and I'm not sure if we ever will be. They're too focused on 'how fun it is to shake the wiimote' so instead of getting games that could be fun without that, we're being deluged games that basically squeeze that little piece of equipment in. And here we reach the problem. The wiimote is simply not as good as it needs to be to make the Wii a really good gaming system. Yes, motion plus is coming out blah blah blah, but you should not have to buy a peripheral to make the system work the way it was supposed to in the first place. That's not to say Sony and Microsoft are founts of innovation, but sometimes innovation comes too early, and sometimes innovation chokes itself off. The Wii may never really succeed as a 'conventional' system simply because the thing that separates it from the pack is, quite simply, a gimmick. Gimmicks are only great when they start out, but eventually they wear thin. That said, there's still time to salvage the little system that might. If Motion Plus can finally deliver on the promises that were initially made for the Wii and if they can finally get the third parties back on board, then the Wii could fulfill all those hopes and dreams people had for it. Otherwise, we've seen the start of a split. Systems made for people who play video games, and systems made for people who play party games. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1138 Joined: 11 Jul 2008 |
1. Why have they sold out? They still MAKE their big franchises like Mario and Zelda, and they're still great games (not just "old titles", Mario, Zelda Metroid etc are still fantastic games in their own right with original hooks, but that's a whole other argument), so why is there such a problem with a BUSINESS catering for as wide an audience as possible with casual games? I'll say it again - BUSINESS. All businesses want to do is make money. All companies want to make money, and they don't care about you, me or your narrow-minded view of "genuine gamers".
Can I ask, what makes you think you know what a "genuine game" is? You cannot possibly criticise Nintendo for wanting to expand their horizons. |
BANNED  Posts: 3486 Joined: 25 Aug 2008   |
Fair enough, but I liked the "review". In all honesty it was more of a rant, even if I agree with you. User was banned for: The Second Annual Escapist Election: Part 1: Presidential Primaries. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3240 Joined: 10 Nov 2007 |
In other words "Company likes money, world in shock!" Fanboys whine moar on page 5. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1181 Joined: 11 Sep 2008   |
Nintendo is a company, not your buddy you've known forever. They won't ever admit that they have any obligation to you because they don't care, like almost all companies. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1151 Joined: 7 Dec 2008 | All i care about from nintendo that makes me deeply depressed is the decline of The Legend of Zelda franchise, that game series was what really brought me into gaming, innovation, story, technology, art, it had it all! And now its the same dang game again and again with a graphics update, a new tree, and maybe a new item |
BANNED  Posts: 2513 Joined: 3 Dec 2008  | The only problem I really have with this review is that while you critique Nintendo you fail to recognize that the other two monolithic gaming companies are doing the same thing: no new concepts, milking their fans for every penny. That's what the gaming industry is. Nintendo just happens have been their longer, so what their doing (i.e. milking out their old franchises) seems worse than say, Microsoft trying to market on Halo's success by having hundreds of space-marine shooters. User was banned for: The artist in thee. (Permanent) |
Paperboy  Posts: 22 Joined: 5 Dec 2008 |
Sony is oddly not doing much milking at all. If you look at it, for a while it was the biggest bang for the dollar on the market. Unlike Nintendo and Microsoft you do not have to buy company brand name addons, like headsets, keyboards, harddrives. PS3 can use any PC based USB Headset and Keyboard, you can buy a SATA Laptop Harddrive for it for far cheaper than anything microsoft sells for their 360 as well and slap it into the PS3 and boom, 180-500gb harddrive anyone? Free online support? As well as some of the most unique games on the market like LittleBigPlanet, Valkyria Chronicles and Drake's Fortune. Edit: Related note I think PC gaming is now turning into the biggest milking market. I just made a new PC last year, now at the end of this year it's already badly outdated. To get a new video card suited for what I wish I need a new motherboard, which requires a new processor as well, whcih also needs now DDR3 Ram sticks. My motherboard now has PCI E support for video cards the newest ones now have PCI E 2.0, and the motherboards for them now have DDR3 Ram Sticks, my only 1 year old motherboard which was one of the better ones when I bought it only as PCI E, and DDR2 slots. Next I'd laugh if they change the type of Harddrive next. It's only been just over 1 bloody year since they changed to PCI Express as the standard for most cards now they have 2.0. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 454 Joined: 4 Jul 2008     |
Little Big Planet is a glorified level editor, Valk. Chronicles was nice but hardly innovative, and Drake's Fortune was a good, but not great, action adventure game that had a thing for quick time events. Free online support doesn't mean much when you consider that the Xbox costs you less money per month than buying some milk at the store (and has a better connection) and as of yet you don't need to buy any accessories for the Wii (and the Xbox comes with a mic, though they aren't very durable. I'm also pretty sure I can use the mic for my computer on it, by only plugging in the mic (and not the headset) jack.) Also, the PC isn't a sellout because technology moves on. It's just that... technology moves on. Stop whining about it. With a one year old stock computer you can play all the major games released this season with little to no problems (unless it's something like Crysis). Your complaints are neither justifiable nor an example of selling out. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 772 Joined: 25 Jun 2008  | So, because nintendo decided to branch out both in target market and trying to do something diffrent? would that be like, say, what Microsoft did with the X box? Remember Halo? The flood of the idiot frat boy gamers, start of connotative gaming becoming serious. The industry has shifted before and will shift again. You are chanting the tired old mantra of 'gimmick' but its eems you don't want any real changes. You want the same old thing repackaged to feel new like the other systems have been giving. Yes Little big planet is innovative, but so was mario Galaxy with its subjective gravity, so are the well done shooters on the wii, and the DS honestly has more fun games than the PSP by far and a better design so I don't know why its entering this discussion other than some revulsion that it has a touch screen and thus must be a gimmicky game system. Nintendo has not sold out any more than any other game company, its just that they have decided to make sure they have a real fan base in five or ten years and have decided to try new things. not all of them work perfectly, but they are trying it. Its not just another shooter with a few new features or another action game with a new pool of mechanics. Stop listening to the reviewers and think for yourselves people. Nintendo didn't sell anyone out. If you have a hard time having fun with a game because it has not gotten that slight marginal increase in graphics from the last gen or because its not giving you more of the same old games then thats not their fault. The other systems are not doing much better since the PS3 is only now getting out some really good games and the 360 is utterly worthless if you have a good gaming PC. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1168 Joined: 28 Apr 2008  |
Maybe if you had bought that stuff when it was new and not 2 years old you wouldn't be needing to replace it all already. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2020 Joined: 2 Nov 2008  | I really don't see any reason to hate on Nintendo so much. While it is true that they didn't create the "innovative" technology for the DS and Wii, they were the first to release and implement them successfully. And sure it's true that they mostly cater to the casual gamer now, but is that really such a bad thing? I don't think so. If anything, it's a good thing. I'd rather Nintendo survived after the relative failure that was the Gamecube than to see them fall flat on their faces like Sega did. If that means gaining business where no one else really attempted to venture, then so be it. The rest of the gaming population that owns whatever system they choose, be it Xbox 360, PS3, PC, PSP or even arcade cabinets, should go on gaming as they always have. I know I'm prefectly happy w/ my 360, DS, and laptop. Maybe one day Nintendo will come to their senses and return to what we all remember from our childhoods. And I also hope the Dreamcast 2 comes out... seriously, I mean that. ~tommy |
Muckraker  Posts: 343 Joined: 19 Dec 2007   | Bah, nintendo have never been in the lead when it comes to hardware specs. The NES was slower than the Master System. The SNES was slower than the Sega Genesis etc etc. Nothing new there, its just a continuation of an old strategy; chose well rooted and proven hardware at value prices rather than pushing envelopes and huge R&D costs for said hardware. What nintendo is good at, is integrating existing hardware new ways to create new experiences. That the Wii has become such a hit is a boon for everyone, it attracts gamerism into parts of society where gaming didn't exist before. So, the Wii do have a purpose, even though it doesn't appeal to people who always require the latest and greatest, it helps spread gamerism. So it is not a competitor to the PS3 or the XB360, it is a different animal all together. Even though it is casual gaming, it is still gaming. So, I disagree with your review and hope that Nintendo continues to spread the love for gaming to young and old. |
Paperboy Posts: 22 Joined: 5 Dec 2008 | The Video card and motherboard were brand new when I bought them.... heck it was a new 8 Geforce series they just came out that year the CPU was highly exceptable, a high end Dual core which was also highly exceptable, I can play Ghost Recond Advance WarFighers 2 nearly maxed out except resolution, and Company of Heroes at 1200+ resolutions at average 80fps maxed out well except for directx10 since I still use XP. I was shocked to find a few games resently not even 1 year later that my PC can not run at a good settings, I'd except any resolution at 1000+ and high textures etc. But I was shocked when I ran into a game I couldn't even get it on medium, or past 800 by 600 and still it ran awful, so I did a quick fix and bought a new video card which is now a year old but it's all I could get to work on this motherboard since even the newer versions of the Geforce 8800GT and GTS Nivdia cards seem to be sadly PCI E 2.0 refurbished. Geforce 9 series the only none 2.0 I could find was god awful price wise because it came in a bundled and sadly the bundle came with DDR3 ram sticks which would of been useless... I'm cursed when it comes to PC gaming, happened to me last time I tried to catch up with the PC game generations.
Valkyria Chronicles is very innovative, name any game on the market that is like it? It's a 3rd person, Tactical RPG, with amazing story telling, and a brand new never seen before CellShade engine, its an out of the usual Tactical RPG box, by a mile in fact. There is literally nonthing on the market that can compare with it design wise. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 904 Joined: 17 Dec 2008 | I don't hate Nintendo, but I don't like their new direction. As back as recent as the Gamecube days I loved them - they continued to make great quality games. Now they seem to specialise in making games that aren't even games, and re-releasing Gamecube games on Wii is not on. |
Muckraker  Posts: 320 Joined: 25 Sep 2008    | Nintendo have lost that flair that they used to have. During my younger days the word "Nintendo" brought about thoughts of hope, and escapism, and shutting myself away from the world. Nowadays, it's just a shadow of its former self. Maybe the competition is just too much to keep up with. I think that they are developing a new Power Glove. It's going to take the market by storm and then will be stolen by M$ or Sony. X-glove or the Play-glove. Just you wait. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 730 Joined: 29 Feb 2008    | Money > All Thats how the gaming business works Nintendo saw this and made millions and no amount of internet rants is going to change that. |
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From a historical standpoint, Nintendo have been a critical force in shaping what gaming has become today. From the Famicon era onwards, Nintendo utilized all of the latest technological advances at their disposal to create top-tier hardware. And using this hardware, create the most innovative games of the 20th century. They were the first to create a discrete hand-held gaming device capable of running story-length, full colour games, and gave a home to unknown series such as Final Fantasy, Super Mario World, Metroid, and many others. It is probably fair to say that Microsoft and Sony owe an awful lot to the early technological and creative advancements of Nintendo.
The decline of Nintendo as far as a genuine innovative force goes, probably came at around the end of the Gamecube's lifespan. For the first time, Nintendo had been fully undone. With the rising popularity of gaming, two monolithic electronic giants had entered the fray. And with them they brought a whole new realm of technological innovation. Whilst retaining its edge on pure game-making innovation, Nintendo was hopelessly behind in terms of hardware specs and data input. So as Sony and Microsoft prepared to launch their state-of-the-art high definition gaming devices, Nintendo was left with few choices. They could stay true to their fans, and the path they had been on for so many years: Releasing consoles to the best of their technological ability whilst focusing on retaining a creative edge over their competitors, leaving Sony and Microsoft competing to see who can rip off Half-Life 2 the best, or they could leave their current market and fanbase behind, and try to create a market elsewhere in gaming. Not content with losing such a large chunk of their main market to Sony and Microsoft, Nintendo opted for the second option.
So now we have the two newest Nintendo consoles: The DS and the Wii. Both behind their competition in hardware specs, but performing surprisingly well as far as sales go. This is not due to innovation, contrary to what every marketing campaign for the two would have you believe. This is down to selling out. This is down to substituting your original audience of gamers for "casual-gamers" or rather, causal-"gamers". The DS and the Wii have been subject to a tidal wave of brain-training games, fitness games, cooking games, and games of other categories utterly unrelated to gaming. The purpose of which is not to please the current fans, but to bring in new ones, who wouldn't care for genuine gaming. The old titles are still there. Super Mario, Zelda etc. But thats all they are: Old titles. Not an ounce of innovation in the games themselves, just a slightly new way to play them.
An innovation is not simply bringing an already existing product (touch-screens, motion sensitive controllers) into the mainstream for the sake of feigning originality. And it isn't about playing old things in new ways. It's about creativity: Sheer ingenuity to create something previously unheard of. And Nintendo obviously aren't in that business anymore. They are in the gimmick business.