Why I've Started to Fear My Fellow Social Justice Activists

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StatusNil:

Well, I'm sorry if you somehow feel implicated in the phenomenon I was describing, but the crowd I'm talking about don't have a high regard for "tone policing" themselves, so I don't feel too bad for any bluntness that might seem untoward in polite company. And no, I don't consider this "informative", as I presume we are all aware of nature of this particular movement.

This particular movement being... "the left"?

Also, I'm utterly unconcerned with bluntness or tone-- I'm long past caring what you throw at me.

StatusNil:
I do, however, consider it interpretative, and a fine conversation starter. Would you say I was wrong about the idea of the perfectibility of humans through cultural intervention inherent in extreme social constructionism? Or that this ideology views competitiveness as toxic and destructive, frowning on the pursuit of individual distinction? Or perhaps the fractious and sometimes paranoid nature of such communities? Anything? This is a discussion after all, so you can go right ahead and correct my mistakes, instead of dwelling on my lack of delicacy.

Again-- I don't give two shits about delicacy; I was questioning intent, as the shit-slinging seemed to be solely to antagonise and demonise.

What would be the point in discussing the topics with somebody who has quite clearly made up his mind, and holds said views with such incredible aggression? I'm not going to get anywhere. There isn't even the ghost of a chance of changing your mind.

Silvanus:

This particular movement being... "the left"?

Also, I'm utterly unconcerned with bluntness or tone-- I'm long past caring what you throw at me.

This particular movement being SocJus, which is often conflated with "the left" by the kids today who appear to have no idea of the history of political thought. That's why we get people going "LOL, they think I'm some kind of socialist just because I chant Marxist slogans and brag about being hardcore Left Wing all the time!"

Also, hate to break this to you, but you sure don't seem past caring about whatever I'm throwing that you keep getting in the way of. A funny thing about these kinds of forums is that whenever I say something even slightly harsh about some deleterious general social trend out there in the world, I immediately get ad hominem'd ad nauseam, like "Oh yeah? You just say that because you're a Nazi scumbag! Hey everybody, this guy is teh Nazi!" Yet apparently I'm the one "shit-slinging", "antagonizing" and "demonizing", when I try to give the people present the option not to be lumped in with whatever I'm talking about by the clever expedient of not immediately addressing them as personally responsible for it every damn time. Guess it's too much to expect any degree of similar consideration in return if you're not on The Right Side of History or whatever.

Silvanus:
What would be the point in discussing the topics with somebody who has quite clearly made up his mind, and holds said views with such incredible aggression? I'm not going to get anywhere. There isn't even the ghost of a chance of changing your mind.

Well, some say one of the points of debate is to present arguments for the consideration of an observing third party. I suppose it requires a certain amount of confidence in your own points, which is for you to bring to the table. But that aside, are you saying that you are open to having your mind changed? Are you in fact subtly signalling that you're looking to be guided out of a position (perhaps Fisher's "Vampire Castle"?) that you've drifted into and now find uncomfortable, but find my posts too antagonistic and uninviting to be of any help in the escape? I guess my "incredible aggression" is partly a defensive reaction to years of treatment that's been perhaps even a tad more aggressive than the coarse barbarities I indulge in (Blue-Checkmark journalists openly fantasizing about desecrating my dead body under their own names on global social media with total impunity? Must have been a Tuesday then!), and partly the necessary work of reinforcing my separation from "the side" I used to think I was on. So that's unfortunate, but do not fret. There are all kinds outside the bubble, not just Nazi thugs like me.

StatusNil:

This particular movement being SocJus, which is often conflated with "the left" by the kids today who appear to have no idea of the history of political thought. That's why we get people going "LOL, they think I'm some kind of socialist just because I chant Marxist slogans and brag about being hardcore Left Wing all the time!"

Uhrm, and also conflated by yourself, as well. Your first post on this matter referred only to "the left".

Kids these days, eh!

StatusNil:

Also, hate to break this to you, but you sure don't seem past caring about whatever I'm throwing that you keep getting in the way of.

Yeah, that's because people love to imagine their opponents as furious, and imagine their own side as cool as cucumbers. It's kind of political self-absorption.

StatusNil:

A funny thing about these kinds of forums is that whenever I say something even slightly harsh about some deleterious general social trend out there in the world, I immediately get ad hominem'd ad nauseam, like "Oh yeah? You just say that because you're a Nazi scumbag! Hey everybody, this guy is teh Nazi!" Yet apparently I'm the one "shit-slinging", "antagonizing" and "demonizing", when I try to give the people present the option not to be lumped in with whatever I'm talking about by the clever expedient of not immediately addressing them as personally responsible for it every damn time. Guess it's too much to expect any degree of similar consideration in return if you're not on The Right Side of History or whatever.

Uhrrm... I didn't do any of that, though. Has this rant left the rails and turned into a(nother) generalised rant at lefties?

StatusNil:

Well, some say one of the points of debate is to present arguments for the consideration of an observing third party. I suppose it requires a certain amount of confidence in your own points, which is for you to bring to the table.

Yes, that's what I'm talking about. What dispassionate third party would read the angry, directionless ranting and conclude that it's a persuasive tract?

StatusNil:

But that aside, are you saying that you are open to having your mind changed? Are you in fact subtly signalling that you're looking to be guided out of a position (perhaps Fisher's "Vampire Castle"?) that you've drifted into and now find uncomfortable, but find my posts too antagonistic and uninviting to be of any help in the escape?

Another interesting symptom of political self-absorption: the delusional belief that your opponents are just waiting to be convinced of your definite correctness.

StatusNil:

I guess my "incredible aggression" is partly a defensive reaction to years of treatment that's been perhaps even a tad more aggressive than the coarse barbarities I indulge in (Blue-Checkmark journalists openly fantasizing about desecrating my dead body under their own names on global social media with total impunity? Must have been a Tuesday then!)

Source?

StatusNil:
[...]and partly the necessary work of reinforcing my separation from "the side" I used to think I was on. So that's unfortunate, but do not fret. There are all kinds outside the bubble, not just Nazi thugs like me.

I have never called you a Nazi, and nor do I think you are one. You're either lazily lumping all your political opponents together, or just playing the victim when nobody called you anything.

StatusNil:

This particular movement being SocJus, which is often conflated with "the left" by the kids today who appear to have no idea of the history of political thought. That's why we get people going "LOL, they think I'm some kind of socialist just because I chant Marxist slogans and brag about being hardcore Left Wing all the time!"

Dare I say, just as reprehensible as all those kids that use 'socjus' or any other portmanteau, acronym, or thereabout trendy hashtag-able things yet haven't actually looked up what it means?

I mean I had a job in social justice. It was analyzing regional NSW access to education and thinking of better funding models or approaches to improving access to educational services. Or those environmental lawyers who volunteer their time to provide expert services in the name of ecological protection measures. Or those people that try to understand patterns of homelessness and petition for better models of public funding to address it. Or estimating what the biggest medical threats are to rural Australians. Or how we can better spend tax money to increase the standards of living. Or that police liaison officer that made sure LGBTQ Australians felt comfortable approaching the police to simply report a crime or feel comfortable coming forward to provide testimony or evidence to help prosecute criminals. Basically assisting police operations and keeping the peace through understanding local minority communities and improving the transparency of police operations to cultivate public trust.

Half of the government officials in 'SocJus' I met were simply that, holding government accountable to the promises it made and the duties of holding public office... and making sure money and good faith was well directed and one of the few safeguards of 'keeping the bastards honest'.

Still fail to see why people wouldn't want accountability from government or why it's a bad thing. By how many trendy kids making so much of a fuss about it you'd somehow think it was as if Morgoth, the scourge of Arda. It's flattering that you think I was as if as powerful as the first Lord of Evil, bending dragons to my will and raising armies to darken the very lands with but my footfall. I find it flattering and cute you think as such.

Fear my clipboards, my laptop and my withering whiteboard presentations, for they are endless and shall blanket the world with my sinister hypothetical educational models and my social or fiscal projections of their adoption.

Silentpony:

Smithnikov:

Silentpony:

Honestly because conservatives have way better things to do with their time than complain online.

So where is /pol/ and /r/the_donald coming from? To say nothing of places like Brietbart, FreeRepublic, Stormfront, Godlike Productions, ect?

Honestly most of R_donald is bots. Of the 500,000+ subs, only a few thousand of them are actual accounts.

And I'd say they're not real conservatives. Surely Trump isn't. He isn't for small government, or common sense regulations or no military interventions or small spending. And his supporters certainly aren't conservatives. They're racists, facisist trolls, especially in R_Donald, but not conservatives.

conservative say they want small government but that never happens. It's like the Gilded Age was meant to be Laizze-Fare but the government continually gave land and plenty of money to the rich and sent the army in to dispose of Indians, Mormons and sometimes the average settler. They government was interfering way more back then then they do now (per capita)

Oh hey, remember when folks in this thread said social media outrage/internet shaming was a left wing problem and that conservatives had way better things to do with their time than try to get people fired? About that...

https://www.thewrap.com/msnbc-will-not-renew-contract-with-contributor-after-roman-polanski-rape-joke/
https://newrepublic.com/article/146117/weaponized-outrage-threat-journalists-free-speech

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