Why Now is it ok for Women (and the occasional man) to talk abut sexual abuse?

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Thaluikhain:

Catnip1024:
Crime and punishment should be proportional - if you go nuclear for a case like this, what do you do for the proper arseholes?

One might say that sexually assaulting someone makes you an arsehole.

Yet groping is something that - ideally - a heartfelt apology would settle.

Thaluikhain:
Hands up anyone who is aiming for that. Or rather, as it was CaitSeith posting, hands up any CaitSeiths who are aiming for that. I'll wait, but I'm sorta guessing there won't be many hands up.

But that is the outcome, whether people want it or not. If media campaigns continue to pressure anybody who employs any vaguely known figure who has been sued for doing anything vaguely immoral out of business, they are either unemployable or have to completely restart a career from basics. Which is a bit fucking much as a punishment for grabbing someones arse once.

One might say that sexually assaulting someone makes you an arsehole. But if you mean those who are convicted of a crime, they should be convicted of their crime/s. That's how it's supposed to work.

How it's supposed to work is, actual crimes are pursued through the criminal justice system. The punishment handed down by said system is considered to be sufficient that the criminal has paid their dues, and everyone continues with their lives.

Or, for civil cases, the prosecuted party is sued for an amount judged to fairly compensate for any damages inflicted, following which both parties can continue with their lives. Apparently, Taylor Swift felt that one dollar was sufficient recompense for having her arse grabbed, so that should have been that.

People should not expect to be automatically entitled to continue where they were following such instances, no, but neither should the general population expect them never to be seen again.

Catnip1024:
If media campaigns continue to pressure anybody who employs any vaguely known figure who has been sued for doing anything vaguely immoral out of business, they are either unemployable or have to completely restart a career from basics. Which is a bit fucking much as a punishment for grabbing someones arse once.

You think such a person exists who did it but only ever did it once?

jademunky:
You think such a person exists who did it but only ever did it once?

You can't convict someone of crimes you assume they have done. And to be petty, there is a first time for everything.

Catnip1024:

jademunky:
You think such a person exists who did it but only ever did it once?

You can't convict someone of crimes you assume they have done. And to be petty, there is a first time for everything.

There certainly is but I'm just trying to imagine a hypothetical adult who has never grabbed a woman's ass or sexually harassed a coworker before in any way and suddenly one day decided to do it. Likely his first time was when he was a little kid and never got told "no" in a meaningful way that led to real consequences for him and everything that followed was an escalation of that.

jademunky:
There certainly is but I'm just trying to imagine a hypothetical adult who has never grabbed a woman's ass or sexually harassed a coworker before in any way and suddenly one day decided to do it.

Aside from young people who start going to parties and getting drunk, or old guys slipping into dementia, the obvious point is likely to be where someone realises they have the power to do so and probably get away with it: someone who "goes up the ranks" and perhaps develops both a sense of entitlement and a feeling they have the ability to quash complaints. Or someone who moves to a new work environment where his/her peers do it and it normalises the practice.

What I would certainly say is if a 40-something DJ gropes a pop star, you can pretty much guarantee it's not the only time he's groped someone.

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