Trump Ups his Fascism Game, bans words such as 'diversity' and 'science-based' from CDC

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/cdc-gets-list-of-forbidden-words-fetus-transgender-diversity/2017/12/15/f503837a-e1cf-11e7-89e8-edec16379010_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_hp-in-the-news%3Apage%2Fin-the-news&utm_term=.beccd49d35d2

Trump, clearly worried people still wont think he desires to be a fascist tyrant, now is banning the Centers for Disease Controls and Prevention from using a list of specific words. What words?

Vulnerable, entitlement, diversity, transgender, fetus, evidence-based and science-based.

The reasoning is pretty obvious, anti-intellectual, and anti-equality.

Trump and his administration is actively seeking to keep people stupid and bigoted.

To deny this is to fall prey to Trump's anti-intellectualism, to support fascism, and to support idiocy and bigotry.

Wow ... so deliberately hampering a public health institution from producing reseach-backed initiatives and recommendations for change?

I mean ... isn't that unconstitutional? Effectively you're placing a gag order on an organization for public health policy recommendation and research ... pretty sure that's unconstitutional. Like, say, commenting on the Zika virus spread and refusing to talk about its symptoms. The CDC answers to congress, not the president. It answers to public inquiry... or is this another situation like the Department of Defence and freezing their assets because he didn't like how they were advocating against his alt-reich platform of fucking over the veterans...?

What a miserable, petty, idiotic cunt .. also including anybody that voted for him. Special place in Hell if it exists. Hopefully this (yet another) attempt at trying to shut down respectable American public institutions gets its time in the press and open public.

The CDC is ... or at least was ... a strongly supported bipoartisan organisation. It conducts employees world over and has generated a significantly healthy degree of international respect as to their efficacy of researching public health policy and potential disease risks and understanding disease models the world over that might spill out into a larger pandemic.

It is one of the few things Americans can be proud about in terms of foreign policy ... Trump and Republican idiots bringing the supposed "culture wars" to the CDC is a mockery of any basic understanding of science and common morality.

Huh. So they can't use the word "fetus."

How are they going to describe...fetuses?

This isn't as new as you might think. In the 1980s, the Raegan administration denied the existence of HIV/AIDS. In the 1990s, Republicans banned the CDC from researching gun violence. In the 2000s, the Bush Administration suppressed research showing that abstinence-based sex education wasn't effective at reducing teen pregnancy.

Conservatism and neoliberalism have a long and storied history of science denial. Given that this is also the party that brought us global warming denial and creationism, their science denialism when it comes to public health should be completely unsurprising.

Apparently white Jesus + free market = literal immortality, so health policy isn't necessary.

bastardofmelbourne:
Huh. So they can't use the word "fetus."

How are they going to describe...fetuses?

They want to force the CDC to use words like "unborn baby" so that they can make it look like the CDC opposes abortion.

And this is all especially concerning given Paul Ryan's whining about birth rates earlier today. http://www.newsweek.com/paul-ryan-wants-you-have-more-kids-749328

In some instances, the analysts were given alternative phrases. Instead of ?science-based? or ?evidence-based,? the suggested phrase is ?CDC bases its recommendations on science in consideration with community standards and wishes,? the person said. In other cases, no replacement words were immediately offered.

What the fuck does that even mean? You can't make recommendations based on science AND the communities wishes. Either your facts are based in science, or they're based on feelings. It can't be both

The Trump administration is prohibiting officials at the nation?s top public health agency from using a list of seven words or phrases ? including ?fetus? and ?transgender? ? in any official documents being prepared for next year?s budget.

Glad to see that the status quo of my existence hasn't changed for right wingers. Still going strong for that, "If we ignore it, maybe they'll go away" approach.

How about we don't restrict the people who try to inform our nation about health and biological facts, instead of trying to bully them into not using right wing no-no words?

renegade7:

And this is all especially concerning given Paul Ryan's whining about birth rates earlier today. http://www.newsweek.com/paul-ryan-wants-you-have-more-kids-749328

Fuck that shit. If anything, this country needs to stop having children. Shit, we can't even afford to take care of ourselves, why the fuck would we bring a child into that situation? And if you're in the position that you CAN raise a child, you should be adopting.

cjspyres:

renegade7:

And this is all especially concerning given Paul Ryan's whining about birth rates earlier today. http://www.newsweek.com/paul-ryan-wants-you-have-more-kids-749328

Fuck that shit. If anything, this country needs to stop having children. Shit, we can't even afford to take care of ourselves, why the fuck would we bring a child into that situation? And if you're in the position that you CAN raise a child, you should be adopting.

It really just beggars belief that someone could look at the world as it is right now and think "You know what will solve this problem? More people."

But if we stopped having children and focused on automating labor, then the employers wouldn't have a large enough labor pool to take advantage of, and of course we can't let any immigrants come in or the entire country will turn into Mordor. And heaven forbid we try to implement a medical solution, extending the healthspan so that people take longer to become infirm and dependent, but apparently there is a sizable portion of the population that finds literally the plot of The Handmaid's Tale to be less offensive than living longer.

Even so, it really shines a light on why so many neoliberals are opposed to birth control and take such a cavalier attitude to rape and sexual violence.

And just the environmental consequences...fuck, did anyone think about the mathematics here? If we maintain a fixed dependency ratio, so that each generation is proportionally larger than the last, then even someone who's ever read a math textbook will tell you that this the condition for pure exponential growth.

cjspyres:

renegade7:

And this is all especially concerning given Paul Ryan's whining about birth rates earlier today. http://www.newsweek.com/paul-ryan-wants-you-have-more-kids-749328

Fuck that shit. If anything, this country needs to stop having children. Shit, we can't even afford to take care of ourselves, why the fuck would we bring a child into that situation? And if you're in the position that you CAN raise a child, you should be adopting.

What is difficult to understand is that they want us to see foetuses as people, while espousing the view that babies are simply a means to economic growth and we should have more of them for that reason alone.

Yeah, let's mess with the people who prevent outbreaks of THE WORST diseases in this country. Right, that's who I want to mess with: Researchers into dangerous viruses and other things. How is this man so dumb? They basically keep everybody alive, you fucking moron, and you're part of 'everybody'.

It's official: Trump is - on top of everything else - an anti-vaxxer. He believes that disease was a conspiracy dreamed up in the land of make-believe by Fred Rogers.

good on you Trump. what? its obvious he's just trying to make other countries feel better by having them look at their politicians and think "hey maybe its not that bad, at least he/she isn't Trump". i mean no person trying to do a good job would be this fucking stupid.

FalloutJack:
Yeah, let's mess with the people who prevent outbreaks of THE WORST diseases in this country. Right, that's who I want to mess with: Researchers into dangerous viruses and other things. How is this man so dumb? They basically keep everybody alive, you fucking moron, and you're part of 'everybody'.

These people don't consider themselves part of everybody. They think that because they've got money and they can afford doctors, then good for them, and nuts to everyone else. And what they believe (falsely) is that the government's medical and scientific apparatus only exists to give out free healthcare and student loans to lazy poor people. They have no understanding of the concept of diseases with no known cures, and they think that they can just buy their way out of being sick.

It's a beautiful thing, the Destruction of words...In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it.

Blood Brain Barrier:

What is difficult to understand is that they want us to see foetuses as people, while espousing the view that babies are simply a means to economic growth and we should have more of them for that reason alone.

The fact that such thoughts do not belong in public health policy advocacy and planning? Clearly the motivation here is to prejudice things like the CDC reports about abortion studies by changing the language of academia to suit religious fifis. To make emotive rather than unbiasly examine clinical concepts of public health conditions and the infliction upon society the various public health concerns.

Moreover, the CDC plans out operations worldwide, and has extensive multinational co-operative accords with other countries that actively improve various nations means to protect their citizenry. I suppose Trump plans to create a new group of people to doctor reports and enforce his Newspeak on international documents CDC affiliates worldwide might undertake with the CDC as part of international operations or joint research between foreign epidemiological firms?

Pretending like religious fifis belong in epidemiological examination is not merely morally wrong in any basic idea of common utilitarianism, but it actively transforms public health reform and policy into an ideological pursuit that Republican idiots can masturbate leashing the scientific community over.

Fuck what Trump wants ... the CDC answers to Congress, and let Republican Senators choose this hill to die on if they continue to act like science-fearing brain donors. Clearly Trump voters will forgive any clinically retarded thing he comes up with, let's put the debate in Congress where some of his GOP membership might not be so lucky...

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/24/15684750/cdc-reaction-trump-public-health-cuts

Clearly this is another petty excuse to gag and humiliate formerly bipartisan supported organizations that make a world of difference, when the CDC formerly admonished the budget plans as being deleterious to public health.

You know ... also called 'doing their job' as an organization for public health studies.

Republican senators pulled this stunt about public health reports on gun violence and gun-related suicide, they had to do so quietly fearing the backlash. Let's see them defend how a scientific organization with worldwide affiliates should have to use Trump Newspeak because religious fifis in the U.S. Should be a riotous laugh for all other affiliate bodies.

Now he's effectively writing out American taxpayers of even being represented in public health policy advocacy and research.

Thaluikhain:
It's a beautiful thing, the Destruction of words...In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it.

Don't you know, only liberals are guilty of wrongthink!

And I really hope wrongthink isn't supposed to be a reference to 1984, because I've seen countless people use that term and it is NEVER mentioned in 1984. Though bellyfeel is. And I feel bellyfeel is damn important in today's society, because it really does capture a lot of the problems with Trump.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak#Bellyfeel

Huh, so we have possibly the most openly fascist move by Trump yet. Denying Transgender people official classification in the CDC (He's SOOOO pro LGBT right guys?) and even going so far as to ban phrases like 'evidence based' just goes to show he is ludicrously anti-science and intellectual. This is truly the 'stupid era'.

In all serious this sets a terrifying Orwellian precedent for the future. If he can straight up ban shit like this that might actually help the CDC help people... I mean fuck....

bastardofmelbourne:
Huh. So they can't use the word "fetus."

How are they going to describe...fetuses?

"Innocent, Helpless Unborn Jesus Child!"

As much as I love to hate on trump, this isn't even his original idea. I seem to recall bush jr pulling something just like this, certain words weren't allowed with his briefings or something. I think it was actually similar words too.

bastardofmelbourne:
Huh. So they can't use the word "fetus."

How are they going to describe...fetuses?

Future voters.

It's why they want more white babies to replace workers, but don't just let in more working age immigrants to bolster the workforce.

How typical. The actions of an immature prick at work again. I said before these people were anti-science but the defenders couldn't resist their Pavlovian instincts in hating and dismissing anything tangentially related to the SupaJeWs.

In feeble respite, there is an interview for a Trump judicial nominee pick that is worth watching to see incompetence unravel before your uncomfortable eyes.

Majestic Manatee:
How typical. The actions of an immature prick at work again. I said before these people were anti-science but the defenders couldn't resist their Pavlovian instincts in hating and dismissing anything tangentially related to the SupaJeWs.

In feeble respite, there is an interview for a Trump judicial nominee pick that is worth watching to see incompetence unravel before your uncomfortable eyes.

Jesus fucking Christ, what the everliving hell was that shit? How the hell do you nominate someone who has essentially only ever taken five depositions? When you are being interviewed for a judgeship, one of the questions that crosses my mind shouldn't be, "Has this man ever actually been in a court room?"

The only question left now then is are we headed for 1984 or Brave New World?

Taking all bets; double think, idiocracy or somewhere in between?

cjspyres:

In some instances, the analysts were given alternative phrases. Instead of ?science-based? or ?evidence-based,? the suggested phrase is ?CDC bases its recommendations on science in consideration with community standards and wishes,? the person said. In other cases, no replacement words were immediately offered.

What the fuck does that even mean? You can't make recommendations based on science AND the communities wishes. Either your facts are based in science, or they're based on feelings. It can't be both

See, my guess on this is that it comes from the myriad of scientific topics that conservatives think are liberal conspiracies. Global warming[1]? It's no longer evidence-based; it's now only being spread because of them liberals' wishes.

[1] Not the best example for the CDC, but it illustrates the point

ineptelephant:
The only question left now then is are we headed for 1984 or Brave New World?

Taking all bets; double think, idiocracy or somewhere in between?

My bet is The Handmaid's Tale. Increasing unemployment and enviromental decay, a government trying to control the bodily autonomy of women, mysogeny becoming popular in political discourse, anti-intellectualism and poorly thought out solutions to major problems based on emotion and superstition rather than facts and evidence, and lest we forget, the prevailing fallacy that everything will improve if birth rates go up and a willingness to make it so no matter the cost

Yeah, some hybrid of the Handmaid's tale along with 1984's mass surveillance and "Everything not right is because the Enemy made it so, we've always been at war with Eastasia, because they are-. Hmm? What's that? Thank you, yes, as I was saying we've always been at war with Eurasia!"

Surely everything the CDC does should be assumed to be evidence-based by default, right? And just how do you use "entitlement" in research on spread of diseases? In a way that other, more specific descriptors wouldn't be more appropriate (income bands, for instance).

The rest, yeah, sure Trumps sucks, the administration ain't great for science. We know.

This is ..Quite.. Insane. Ludicrous. Moreover, it also sets a dangerous precedent.
Trump has done many good things, but this is not one of them. I blame his need to pander to the religious right.
Organized religion is always dangerous and should probably be ..disincentivised..
Leaving the way free for personal religion to flourish.

Thaluikhain:
It's a beautiful thing, the Destruction of words...In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it.

Truly frightening indeed.
There is also yet another way to destroy words. Perhaps more insidious.
Starting slowly, by twisting the meaning of a word, to include a similar concept next, and finally make it so watered down that it is rendered meaningless.

CDC should just ignore this. What is Trump gonna do? Get rid of the people who prevent outbreaks of the worst diseases in the country because of a few words? That would cost him a lot, politically. And his approval rating is already historically low.

Adam Jensen:
CDC should just ignore this. What is Trump gonna do? Get rid of the people who prevent outbreaks of the worst diseases in the country because of a few words? That would cost him a lot, politically. And his approval rating is already historically low.

Trump's New Budget Slashes Funding for Arts, Women's Safety and Civil Rights.

Trump could make visiting a national park more expensive than a Six Flags ticket.

Trump Budget Would Cut EPA Science Programs and Slash Cleanups

President Trump's Budget Proposal Calls For Deep Cuts To Education

Medical Research, Health Care Face Deep Cuts In Trump Budget

Trump's answer to everything has been cut. He's set his sights on the elderly, the young, the poor, the parks, the working class, science, Environmental Protection... In short, everything that actually makes this country run.

Do you think he has any sort of reverence for anything?

Adam Jensen:
CDC should just ignore this. What is Trump gonna do? Get rid of the people who prevent outbreaks of the worst diseases in the country because of a few words? That would cost him a lot, politically. And his approval rating is already historically low.

If you play chicken with a madman, don't expect him to blink first.

This one really fucks with me. It is Orwellian, it is the deliberate destruction of liberty by attacking the basis of communication, and it has made me so insanely angry that I want them all gone. Trump, the cabinet, Congress, every individual in Washington and every judge in the high courts. They need to go, every single one. Burn it down, start over with a blank slate. I'm beyond done with this.

Catnip1024:

The rest, yeah, sure Trumps sucks, the administration ain't great for science. We know.

Or for law and order, or for civil rights, or for geostrategic initiatives, or for ecological sustainability, or for fiscal & monetary policy, or for diplomatic capital...

As they say; "Took a Nixon for China and SALT..."

Trump has no redeeming qualities at all beyond idiots will vote for him.

Eh, fuck those trannies and "diverse" people. The sooner they die off, the better.

OK, sorry, that made me feel dirty just typing it, even knowing I'm that kind of "diverse" person that this is likely targeting. I've heard it be said that suck and such policy is hurting millions medically, and usually with accuracy, although it's not something I personally use, as I find it trite.

This policy, if not rolled back, could fucking kill millions, and possibly even billions, in the long term. If this had been around in the 80's, we probably wouldn't have gotten much of anywhere with AIDS, because fuck diversity.

Adam Jensen:
CDC should just ignore this. What is Trump gonna do? Get rid of the people who prevent outbreaks of the worst diseases in the country because of a few words? That would cost him a lot, politically. And his approval rating is already historically low.

Unfortunately they can't just ignore him.
If the CDC uses any of the newly verboten words/phrases in anything that's to be presented to Congress, it's immediately rejected.

Dr. Thrax:

Adam Jensen:
CDC should just ignore this. What is Trump gonna do? Get rid of the people who prevent outbreaks of the worst diseases in the country because of a few words? That would cost him a lot, politically. And his approval rating is already historically low.

Unfortunately they can't just ignore him.
If the CDC uses any of the newly verboten words/phrases in anything that's to be presented to Congress, it's immediately rejected.

They need to fight it though. Nothing in this country gets fixed until someone fights it. Its one of the problems with the Supreme Court.

Catnip1024:

The rest, yeah, sure Trumps sucks, the administration ain't great for science. We know.

Doing the wrong thing knowingly is not a good thing.

Vendor-Lazarus:
This is ..Quite.. Insane. Ludicrous. Moreover, it also sets a dangerous precedent.
Trump has done many good things, but this is not one of them. I blame his need to pander to the religious right.
Organized religion is always dangerous and should probably be ..disincentivised..
Leaving the way free for personal religion to flourish.

Thaluikhain:
It's a beautiful thing, the Destruction of words...In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it.

Truly frightening indeed.
There is also yet another way to destroy words. Perhaps more insidious.
Starting slowly, by twisting the meaning of a word, to include a similar concept next, and finally make it so watered down that it is rendered meaningless.

The only 'good' thing Trump has done is shine a big bright light on everything wrong with right-wing.

I mean, us on the left were all well-aware. We said as much before Hilary was elected President and Trump put in office.

I am pleased to see you crack on your devotion though. Glad to know people have a breaking point.

Addendum_Forthcoming:
Or for law and order, or for civil rights, or for geostrategic initiatives, or for ecological sustainability, or for fiscal & monetary policy, or for diplomatic capital...

As they say; "Took a Nixon for China and SALT..."

Trump has no redeeming qualities at all beyond idiots will vote for him.

I dunno, there is something to be said for incompetence. At least with incompetence, there is a lower limit on how shit things can get.

Catnip1024:
I dunno, there is something to be said for incompetence. At least with incompetence, there is a lower limit on how shit things can get.

Well, it acts as a pretty good reminder to the rest of the world just what stupid looks like up close. Though in my experience that typically ends up with a situation of; "Hey, I may be awful, but at least I'm not Trump." Which seems to be the current Malcolm Turnbull stratagem at the moment ... but I'm kind of certain now he won't survive by the time of the next election.

So, no ...I don't buy the idea that being incompetent somehow stops you fucking up things directly or indirectly.

Moreover, this isn't just incompetence ... it's downright morally bankrupt. Effectively you're taking a public health advocacy and planning organization, paid for with taxpayer money, and outrightly banning them advocating on behalf of transgender Americans and associated public health policy.

And that's not all that this 'banned words' bullshit does.

That's downright wicked, not merely incompetent.

Being incompetent is one thing, people more often than not can survive incompetence ... being petty, bigoted, vindictive, stupid, and incompetent is another, and people will die from it... What else is he going to do? Ban the military from using said words to deny employment, defence housing, and medical care to service personnel and veterans when they go after them as well with legislation and budget plans?

I mean that's one way of avoiding basic argumenbts as to the morality of legislation. But at this point, it's not merely incompetence ... and maybe people should have the intellectual honesty to recognize this is not the path of building a meritocratic society that values the liberty of its people.

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