One-third of Americans think Trump has repealed Obamacare

So, it turns out that if you lie often enough, then people will just believe you.

This statistic comes from a YouGov poll which asked a wide range of questions about Trump's administration, one of which was "Do you think Donald Trump has repealed Obamacare?" Turns out 44% of Republicans - and 31% of Americans overall - think that Donald Trump has repealed Obamacare. Donald Trump has not done that. Trump has claimed that he has done it, but this is what specialist political commentators call "a lie."

The Affordable Care Act, which is commonly called Obamacare, is still law in the US and has not been repealed. People who sign up under its provisions are still getting Obamacare. So why do nearly half of Republicans and nearly a third of Americans think that Obamacare is dead? Apart from Trump repeatedly telling them that it was dead and them believing him for some reason?

Well, healthcare is complicated. And the recently-passed tax cut bill that Trump signed a few days before Christmas included, amongst its many wide-ranging provisions, a repeal of the ACA's individual health insurance mandate. The individual mandate was a fine that the US government imposed on people who do not buy health insurance, in order to encourage people to get health insurance. They did this because in a private health insurance market, more healthy customers buying insurance means more people buying insurance who do not require a payout, which means insurance companies make more money, which means they charge lower premiums.

It was not a great system. It was, naturally, a Republican idea originally. If you force people to buy health insurance that they do not necessarily need, you increase the number of people paying for health insurance, which means health insurers make more money, which through the magic of free market logic leads to insurers charging lower overall premiums. This was seen as preferable to the alternative, which was public healthcare. And as soon as it was law, Republicans hated it. It's an easy thing to hate; it's essentially the government telling you "buy health insurance or we will fine you an arbitrary amount that is slightly larger than the cost of you buying health insurance, making it more efficient for you to just buy insurance you don't want or need." Never mind the origins or purpose of the policy; it was part of a Democratic healthcare law, and therefore evil and also not the Republican's fault.

And so, in the throes of pre-Christmas negotiations around Trump's shitty tax plan, someone threw in the idea of repealing the individual mandate as well. With the ACA structured the way it is, repealing the individual mandate will drive up premiums for sick customers and result in millions of people losing health coverage, a loss that will be exacerbated by the fact that the act did not put in anything to replace what it repealed. It simply hacked away one part of the ACA in order to save a few hundred billion dollars that could be funneled into more tax cuts for rich bastards.

Thus, we get Donald Trump's latest claim that he has slain the dragon that is Obamacare, when in actual fact he has only cut off one of its big toes and made it slightly more difficult for it to stand upright. So it goes. Donald Trump is a liar; this is not new. But, depressingly, people believe him. They go in to sign up for Obamacare and say "Obamacare is gone, right?"

And why wouldn't they believe him? After all, the President said it, so it must be true.

Why do Republicans want to repeal Obamacare?

And I cannot just accept the answer is: "they are in the pocket of Health/Drug Comapnies that want to make more money at the expense of the common people so they bribe the political party that helps them."

There has to be more at stake here than just corporate bribery.

Samtemdo8:

There has to be more at stake here than just corporate bribery.

... Why? Greed is exactly the reason. It's not a coincidence that they try to scrap it alongside introducing massive tax cuts that benefit themselves and their corporate "donors".

Samtemdo8:
Why do Republicans want to repeal Obamacare?

And I cannot just accept the answer is: "they are in the pocket of Health/Drug Comapnies that want to make more money at the expense of the common people so they bribe the political party that helps them."

There has to be more at stake here than just corporate bribery.

because Obamas name is on it.
because its a step towards providing america with real healthcare.
because its "socialist"
because its not "gods will"
and you are underestimating the power of greed.

Samtemdo8:
Why do Republicans want to repeal Obamacare?

And I cannot just accept the answer is: "they are in the pocket of Health/Drug Comapnies that want to make more money at the expense of the common people so they bribe the political party that helps them."

There has to be more at stake here than just corporate bribery.

Corporate bribery has a hell of a lot of pull here in the States. I mean, a few Republican senators openly stated that they needed to pass the recent tax plan for their donors or they would get cut off. Hell they were making edits to the bill on the senate floor based on what donors wanted. That's just one reason though, another is because they've been spouting this for years and at this point they HAVE to do it. The Republican party pretty much became the "anti-Obama" party during his two terms to such a fierce degree that it defies reason. Anything he did must go. Also have you heard the way some Republicans talk about health care? Go listen to how people like Paul Ryan talk about it, as well as other programs that are viewed as "big government", "socialist", or "hand-outs". I mean this is a guy who when talking about block granting Medicaid sounded like he was rock hard at the thought of poor people not getting help. Hell he was bragging about it saying "this has never been done before".

Some people in the US government just defy logic or reason. They answer to money and whatever "values" they claim to have. Or sometimes they just go off the rails and suggest that maybe we should support Isis fighters because they attacked the Iranian capital...fun stuff.

As for the OP, well...yeah. Trump has lived by the idea that if you lie enough people will believe you, and sadly he proves that it works. It doesn't help that the man has his own personal ass-kissing network that a hell of a lot of Americans watch. Corrections, proof, facts, these things don't matter. Fact checking is for nerds, and we should all just shut up and thank the glorious leader for his tremendous actions. For how much he outdid every other administration in the history of the country. After all he's the underdog draining the swamp and the elite are out to get him. That's the narrative that exists, that's what it'll remain being, and there's not much of a damn thing that can be done about it.

Huh...so, Trump doesn't have to destroy the US health system, just say he has?

I'm going to take this as a positive sign. Maybe Trump can go do something useful, but just not talk about it.

Wow so this is like gaslighting in action right?

I mean Jesus Christ this is scary, the republican party has effectively weaponized ignorance and stupidity to a frightening degree. I very much doubt with a lot of these people even being shown concrete evidence that Trump did not repeal Obamacare they simply won't believe it. That sets a frankly horrifying precedent not just for America but for the entire rest of the world.

Samtemdo8:
Why do Republicans want to repeal Obamacare?

And I cannot just accept the answer is: "they are in the pocket of Health/Drug Comapnies that want to make more money at the expense of the common people so they bribe the political party that helps them."

There has to be more at stake here than just corporate bribery.

When the first draft of the republican healthcare bill came along I remember thinking:
'Jesus why don't they just line up everyone below a certain annual salary and just shoot them in the head, surely that would be more humane.'

Corporate greed is a Hell of a drug and make no mistake for most republicans (most right wing politicians generally really) making sure the rich can get slightly richer is always going to take priority, even if it costs the lives of poor people. I used to think the Purge movies were really heavy handed with their little metaphor about that but now I realize we are reaching a point of it being so close to reality it's not even really a metaphor anymore. Like I genuienly believe if people like Paul Ryan could get away with that they'd do it, and this time next year Eric Trump would be waving around the severed head of a poor latina teenager.

Also I don't doubt it helps that Obama did it, republicans will always hate something a democrat put in place and try to shit all over it. And of course Trump will, he's still bitter and petty about Obama making fun of him ONE time and yes I do think he's enough of a shit that he'd let potentially millions of people die just to smear up Obama's legacy.

Because he can't accept the idea of a black man being more successful and liked then him. That's the rub really.

It's no worse than people hating Obamacare but loving the affordable care act and most component of it.

Meiam:
It's no worse than people hating Obamacare but loving the affordable care act and most component of it.

Exactly, there are a lot of people who believe odd things in the US, such as:

-Believing the ACA reduced healthcare costs
-Believing free healthcare is a thing
-Believing angels are real
-Not being able to find North Korea on a map
-Not being able to identify landlocked states
-Thinking increasing budgets will increase quality of service
-Thinking the military doesn't want a budget cut despite asking for one for over a decade now

I guess it's a matter of large numbers inherently leading to more outliers who aren't normal. Given my own country's state it isn't a matter of Americans being exceptional.

Got a bit of a gullibility epidemic over there, humans. For the highest GDP in the world, it's not doing much for education. With Trump estimated to personally earn at least $15 million more a year from his wonderful tax cuts, along with his other friends and family in high places benefiting grandly, yet people are still lapping up all his piss as if it's royal Chardonnay from southern France. The wealthy are unabashedly robbing the country blind. It wouldn't be so bad if the voters were just harming themselves, but it's affecting everybody around who can least afford to take the brunt of boundless greed.

Also more than half of American's believed in the actual hell with the eternal suffering, so...fucking Jeheeesus, if you really believe that...with the sort of constant threat over your back, you'd do anything. Eternity is a long fucking time.

Samtemdo8:
Why do Republicans want to repeal Obamacare?

And I cannot just accept the answer is: "they are in the pocket of Health/Drug Comapnies that want to make more money at the expense of the common people so they bribe the political party that helps them."

There has to be more at stake here than just corporate bribery.

There's a few reasons.

The first and most pertinent is the financial aspect. The ACA was funded with a mix of spending cuts in some areas and funding shuffles in other areas, but it was primarily paid for with a tax on rich people - specifically, a .9% tax increase on income over $200,000 for a single taxpayer or $250,000 for a married household. Those households do not want to pay that tax; the richest amongst them will donate money to Republican candidates who vow to repeal that tax.

The second is political partisanship. The Republicans c. 2009 did not want to give Obama any ground whatsoever; they correctly realised that allowing Obama to pass a comprehensive and effective healthcare reform plan would only boost his popularity and increase the chances of his re-election. Obama - somewhat naively - believed that if he pitched an essentially Republican healthcare plan, one that had the Heritage Foundation's seal of approval, then he could get Republicans on board with the proposal. The Republicans did not want to get on board with the proposal; instead, they saw a short-term political benefit to be had from trashing the ACA as loudly and publicly as possible, knowing that most voters wouldn't pay attention to the details anyway. Never mind that the ACA was based on a healthcare plan put in place by Mitt Romney of all people just a few years beforehand; the Republicans labeled it "Obamacare," threw in all the usual talking points about socialised medicine, big government, crushing tax burdens and death panels, and rode the subsequent wave all the way to a Congressional majority in 2010.

The third reason is ideological. Ever since Reagan, the Republican party's ideology has revolved around cutting taxes wherever they can and reducing the size of the government wherever they can. The ACA was a substantial expansion of the government's role in regulating health insurance and it was paid for with a noticeable tax increase. Never mind the merits of the plan or the desperate need for health insurance reform in the US after two decades of inaction; to an ideologically pure Republican, it was A Bad Thing. This, more than anything else, is a state of denial; modern health insurance simply cannot function anywhere without government intervention. Technological advances have increased life expectancy dramatically over the past few decades without reducing the cost of treatment. People are getting older and being kept alive longer, and the insurance system isn't able to cope with the rising number of payouts they need to make. The easiest and simplest solution is a public health insurance scheme, but the Republicans simply cannot admit that.

The fourth - and most immediately relevant - reason is this: the Republicans have spent eight years bashing Obamacare. They have blamed it for everything they could whenever they could, because it was a fat, promising target that just kept paying off in terms of electoral successes. They can't stop. They've tricked their own voters into believing that Obamacare is the devil made law, and now that they're in power they need to deliver or they'll face a primary challenge from an even-more-extreme candidate.

That's why we have Donald Trump claiming - falsely - that he has killed Obamacare, when really all he did was cut out one limb of a massive and complex regulatory scheme. Though God only knows why a third of Americans believe him when he says it, though.

bastardofmelbourne:
So, it turns out that if you lie often enough, then people will just believe you.

To be fair, though, Trump's been demonstrating this for awhile now, and in some cases he doesn't even need to tell a specific lie particularly often. Even during the campaign trail itself he fired off falsehoods, lies and half-truths with all the restraint and tact of a machine gun, with some crossing the line of dubious and elevating themselves to flat-out insanity. One relatively small example that, for me, nonetheless served as an illustration of just how far he would go, was the time he spent a campaign rally slamming Obama for having gone off on a Trump supporter who attended the Clinton rally he was speaking of. 'Unhinged' was, I believe, a descriptor Trump used to describe Obama's behavior. And yet Obama was, well, pretty much what you expected; calm, polite and respectful, and he was more critical of the Clinton rally audience loudly booing the Trump supporter, as he insisted the man had a right to be there, looked to be a military veteran which was deserving of respect, etc.

Keep in mind the gap of time between the Clinton rally and Trump's lie was around 24 hours. So Trump was lying about events about a day after they happened, events that EASY TO FIND VIDEO EVIDENCE DISPROVED, and yet a disquieting number of people continued to hold stock in his honesty and integrity. Compared to that, something as complex as the ACA- both the system itself and the half-measure potshots Trump has been taking at it- would be vastly simpler to obfuscate. It's why the Republicans and Trump decided to get their mega-rich favoring tax plan through the public domain by loudly and repeatedly insisting it WASN'T a mega-rich tax plan; this sort of blatant bullshit has been depressingly effective in the past.

A little off-topic, but here's a fairly recent interview with Donald Trump; the quotes in it are, um, certainly something all right. Lots of arrogance, and an interesting tidbit on what Trump apparently considers the role of a 'good' Attorney General.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/us/politics/trump-interview-mueller-russia-china-north-korea.html

Samtemdo8:
Why do Republicans want to repeal Obamacare?

And I cannot just accept the answer is: "they are in the pocket of Health/Drug Comapnies that want to make more money at the expense of the common people so they bribe the political party that helps them."

There has to be more at stake here than just corporate bribery.

What others have written covers the ancillary reasons but thinking corporate bribery is insufficient explanation is absurd. Whether it's campaign contributions for re-election, lobbyist entertainment or guaranteed jobs upon leaving office, it's all about what money can buy. You think too few would sell out just for this? You think enough of the honest can get elected competing against bribe takers and, of those that do, stay honest?

Samtemdo8:
Why do Republicans want to repeal Obamacare?

And I cannot just accept the answer is: "they are in the pocket of Health/Drug Comapnies that want to make more money at the expense of the common people so they bribe the political party that helps them."

There has to be more at stake here than just corporate bribery.

Unfortunately, the most likely answer appears to be pride and spite. Democrats and Republicans have been at each others throats long enough that a great many of them seem to measure the success of their party by the failure of the other's and vice versa. On top of that, groupthink is at such a level that sabotaging a flawed or even successful plan implemented by the opponents is seen as more 'right' than trying to improve upon it. Which is to say that it's seen as more important to show that the other side was "always wrong" and throw the baby out with the bathwater than it is to actually collect data, see what parts work/don't work and figure out how to make it better.

Over the last seven years they've only been interested in repeating a mantra of full repeal, full repeal, full repeal, full repeal because the simple existence of the ACA was viewed as a symbol of failure for them. They didn't care whether or not it worked, they just wanted it gone because it was something the Democrats championed and they didn't. And even conceding a partial success for it would be tantamount to admitting they were wrong.

Tangentially, I increasingly find myself wondering if "saving face" is the new kernel value of politics.

Asita:

Tangentially, I increasingly find myself wondering if "saving face" is the new kernel value of politics.

Well, saving face and its relationship with the ability to progress in work/ get paid to give speeches or seminars after moving on/ retire with a title or healthy mound of money (the "title" bit might apply more in the UK than US, note). Such things don't necessarily rely on authenticity or trustworthiness, but they rely on the facade of those things.

Samtemdo8:
Why do Republicans want to repeal Obamacare?

And I cannot just accept the answer is: "they are in the pocket of Health/Drug Comapnies that want to make more money at the expense of the common people so they bribe the political party that helps them."

There has to be more at stake here than just corporate bribery.

Corporate bribery is a big part of it, there's no denying that. The medical industry (that is, pharmaceuticals, insurance, and providers) spends more on lobbying than defense contractors, the NRA, and the oil companies combined. https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?indexType=i

But the big reason is that it has the word "Obama" in it.

There was just something about Obama that sent a significant part of the American right wing (not all of them, but a lot of them) into a hysterical shitfit due to all their pent up economic anxiety, and rabid opposition to anything even tangentially related to Obama became necessary for establishment Republicans to defend themselves from more reactionary primary challengers, and ultimately the Republican establishment decided to try to tap into this new energy by directing the collective tantrum at Obama's healthcare initiative since that had always been an important part of his policy platform.

The strategy paid off, and the Republicans won control of the House in a landslide in 2010 and severely weakened Democratic control of the Senate. The lesson that the Republicans learned is that spiting Democrats and liberals is a more effective strategy for getting into office than having a coherent policy platform. And in 2016, that style of political rhetoric reached its conclusion when Donald Trump seized the Republican nomination and ultimately the presidency on a platform primarily consisting of incoherent spite.

bastardofmelbourne:
So, it turns out that if you lie often enough, then people will just believe you.

This statistic comes from a YouGov poll which asked a wide range of questions about Trump's administration, one of which was "Do you think Donald Trump has repealed Obamacare?" Turns out 44% of Republicans - and 31% of Americans overall - think that Donald Trump has repealed Obamacare.

The same 31%, approximately, who approved of George W. Bush through his entire two terms, no doubt.

renegade7:

Samtemdo8:
Why do Republicans want to repeal Obamacare?

And I cannot just accept the answer is: "they are in the pocket of Health/Drug Comapnies that want to make more money at the expense of the common people so they bribe the political party that helps them."

There has to be more at stake here than just corporate bribery.

Corporate bribery is a big part of it, there's no denying that. The medical industry (that is, pharmaceuticals, insurance, and providers) spends more on lobbying than defense contractors, the NRA, and the oil companies combined. https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?indexType=i

But the big reason is that it has the word "Obama" in it.

There was just something about Obama that sent a significant part of the American right wing (not all of them, but a lot of them) into a hysterical shitfit due to all their pent up economic anxiety, and rabid opposition to anything even tangentially related to Obama became necessary for establishment Republicans to defend themselves from more reactionary primary challengers, and ultimately the Republican establishment decided to try to tap into this new energy by directing the collective tantrum at Obama's healthcare initiative since that had always been an important part of his policy platform.

The strategy paid off, and the Republicans won control of the House in a landslide in 2010 and severely weakened Democratic control of the Senate. The lesson that the Republicans learned is that spiting Democrats and liberals is a more effective strategy for getting into office than having a coherent policy platform. And in 2016, that style of political rhetoric reached its conclusion when Donald Trump seized the Republican nomination and ultimately the presidency on a platform primarily consisting of incoherent spite.

The right will let you tear apart net neutrality purely because they think it's sticking it to the left. The right doesn't even have a platform beyond "fuckin' libtards" anymore.

Thaluikhain:
Huh...so, Trump doesn't have to destroy the US health system, just say he has?

That 44% of Republicans seems to roughly correlate with Trump's immovable base. Hardly surprising since they uncritically follow their biases with the same unflinching loyalty as Trump himself.

I can't tell if I should laugh or cry. Americans are certainly getting the America they deserve.

jklinders:
That 44% of Republicans seems to roughly correlate with Trump's immovable base. Hardly surprising since they uncritically follow their biases with the same unflinching loyalty as Trump himself.

I must ask how to read that, actually. Trump has about the same level of loyalty as the stereotypical oily Grand Vizier, complete with shifty eyes and beard. So, do I take that as 'He's a zealous incompetent', 'He's a cutthroat backstabber', or - most amusingly - both?

FalloutJack:

jklinders:
That 44% of Republicans seems to roughly correlate with Trump's immovable base. Hardly surprising since they uncritically follow their biases with the same unflinching loyalty as Trump himself.

I must ask how to read that, actually. Trump has about the same level of loyalty as the stereotypical oily Grand Vizier, complete with shifty eyes and beard. So, do I take that as 'He's a zealous incompetent', 'He's a cutthroat backstabber', or - most amusingly - both?

I read it as the base following their biases with the same unflinching loyalty they show towards Trump.

So, it's as difficult to convince them that Trump is a bad president as it is to convince them that publicly-funded healthcare is not a socialist genocide scheme, or that Obama was not an anti-white racist, or that US domestic coal power is dead, or that the Civil War actually was about slave ownership and not state's rights. Which is to say that it should be really easy, but for some reason isn't.

CaitSeith:
I can't tell if I should laugh or cry. Americans are certainly getting the America they deserve.

The entirety of the US is getting the US some of them deserve, and the rest of the world is stuck with it as well.

It's certainly tempting to point at laugh sometimes, but before any big US disaster, there's a bunch of people in the US trying to get people to listen to them about it.

Samtemdo8:
Why do Republicans want to repeal Obamacare?

And I cannot just accept the answer is: "they are in the pocket of Health/Drug Comapnies that want to make more money at the expense of the common people so they bribe the political party that helps them."

There has to be more at stake here than just corporate bribery.

Well part of it is that a lot of people think its called Obamacare since if there is one thing the right is fantastic at, its re-branding things they don't like. "Feminists are man hating lesbians who are too ugly to get a man, librals are weak wristed bleeding hearts who are too lazy to get a real honest job, and black people are criminals who should feel lucky the white man has even allowed them on gods earth." They rebranded the ACA as Obamacare so well that a decent sized portion of the population don't even realize Obamacare isn't a thing, its just the ACA.

Anyway, there are some people who view it as a tax, there are those that think the government should have nothing to do with peoples lives (probably rural where there is very little government and don't understand that cities are based on a lot of government), not liking how the aca was passed (the fact that the government can give you a penalty for not buying something from a public company is kinda creepy, the ideal way to pass this would have been constitutional but that would never happen), and people who are just anti anything the dems do.

Thaluikhain:

CaitSeith:
I can't tell if I should laugh or cry. Americans are certainly getting the America they deserve.

The entirety of the US is getting the US some of them deserve, and the rest of the world is stuck with it as well.

It's certainly tempting to point at laugh sometimes, but before any big US disaster, there's a bunch of people in the US trying to get people to listen to them about it.

Trying? They have tried to warn the others for years.

What are they doing different now? How are they making sure their message is doing more than just preaching to the choir?

CaitSeith:
Trying? They have tried to warn the others for years.

What are they doing different now? How are they making sure their message is doing more than just preaching to the choir?

Oh sure, they are saying the same stuff that they've always been saying. But I don't think you can blame anyone for, say, not getting Trump supporters to acknowledge that he's not a great PotUS. Sometimes doing all you can and doing next to nothing are the same things.

Thaluikhain:

Oh sure, they are saying the same stuff that they've always been saying. But I don't think you can blame anyone for, say, not getting Trump supporters to acknowledge that he's not a great PotUS.

Yes, I can. But even if I couldn't, I blame them for not getting the third side to support them.

Sometimes doing all you can and doing next to nothing are the same things.

Failing to get the third side to snap out off that attitude has been the biggest mistake here.

CaitSeith:
Yes, I can. But even if I couldn't, I blame them for not getting the third side to support them.

Sometimes doing all you can and doing next to nothing are the same things.

Failing to get the third side to snap out off that attitude has been the biggest mistake here.

Can you?

In a movement that was sparked by Trump's refusal to run with a minority or a woman that saw a boost in his approval ratings. A movement that saw him slashing funds to combat white supremacy hate groups to the cheers of Neo-Nazis in America. A movement that has much fervor of many White Republicans thinking Blacks are Lazy and rather use public assistance instead of the truth that but see that most of the GOP base actually use these 'socialist' programs.

... As a Black Male American, how do I 'deserve' this if the people who voted Trump in won't listen to me due to the fact that they believe they know all they need to know due to the melanin count of my skin?

ObsidianJones:

CaitSeith:
Yes, I can. But even if I couldn't, I blame them for not getting the third side to support them.

Sometimes doing all you can and doing next to nothing are the same things.

Failing to get the third side to snap out off that attitude has been the biggest mistake here.

Can you?

In a movement that was sparked by Trump's refusal to run with a minority or a woman that saw a boost in his approval ratings. A movement that saw him slashing funds to combat white supremacy hate groups to the cheers of Neo-Nazis in America. A movement that has much fervor of many White Republicans thinking Blacks are Lazy and rather use public assistance instead of the truth that but see that most of the GOP base actually use these 'socialist' programs.

I'm sorry. Just because I said that I can, it doesn't mean I will. I'm not going to make a good argument on how they failed in getting Trump supporters to acknowledge that he's not a great PotUS (at least without me proposing re-education camps, but there is an idea for the future); because their success would had been an empty victory...

ObsidianJones:

... As a Black Male American, how do I 'deserve' this if the people who voted Trump in won't listen to me due to the fact that they believe they know all they need to know due to the melanin count of my skin?

Is the people who voted Trump who have to listen? Or is the people who didn't vote for Hilary?

CaitSeith:
I'm sorry. Just because I said that I can, it doesn't mean I will. I'm not going to make a good argument on how they failed in getting Trump supporters to acknowledge that he's not a great PotUS (at least without me proposing re-education camps, but there is an idea for the future); because their success would had been an empty victory...

Hey, honestly there's no real issue. I get the frustration. I get the anger. I feel it daily waking up in this nation. In truth, it would be very easy and temporarily rewarding to point to all the white people I see and say "WE'RE IN THIS BECAUSE OF YOU". But it doesn't help. It creates more barriers.

In essence, because of a fraction of Americans, the USA is in one of the most unfavorable spots in it's short history. And not only do we who voted for Hillary because she was literally the lesser of two evils (I went for Sanders and I still know he would have trounced Trump) have to deal with the ignorance and sheer hatred from our fellow citizens that have been unleashed by Trump's election, but we have the rest of the world.

Hillary lost because she didn't reach to the same areas that Trump did. She tried to run on the fact that she was a woman and that would be the edge she needed. She was wrong. Trump, meanwhile, went into the dirt and reached a white America who thought the country forgot them because it was run by a minority. He promised the moon. He said he would keep everything the same but give them more power. They listened and voted.

Hillary was the smarter of the two candidates. And like a lot of intelligent people, she thought that's all she needed. Once again, she was wrong.

Three million more voted for her regardless. But it wasn't enough because there are just so many people she turns off. Hillary lost. Even though Trump won, he had less of the vote. If it was ANYONE ELSE, we would have been spared this. If this scandal about Hillary rigging the primaries is true, then we have more to dislike her for. But if not... those who decided Hillary was somehow better than a man who actually wanted change and has challenged everyone... well, I hope you sleep well at night.

Is the people who voted Trump who have to listen? Or is the people who didn't vote for Hilary?

I'm with you. Yeah, even if you have a problem with Hillary (as I do), she is still the better choice. Chalk it up to people not wanting to get dirty to protect themselves, but you can't take a moral highground when other people depend on you. The best thing about this hopefully short term (Either the Mental Health or Mueller's look at the Taxes will hopefully save us) is that no one smart will ever sit on the sidelines again.

 

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