Poll: Larry Nasser: Top Ten, Top Five, or Top Three of the worst criminals in USA History?

Larry Nasser was a Olympic Physician for four Olympic Cycles. During that time, he molested over 140 girls and young women.

I will preface this that as a fellow victim, I of course count his crime as particularly odious. Unlike my female counterparts, as a male I grew to 6'2, packed on muscle, and learned martial arts so I will never be put in that position again. I've made peace with what happened to me, mainly because it most likely can never happen again. I don't think that peace can come to my sisters in this fucked up club.

So, while I've been keeping up on the trial, I kept asking myself if this man is literally the worst criminal that's ever walked on this nation. A logical side tells me that we've had the unibomber, we had the Las Vegas Shooter, not to mention Pulse. We've had Ed Gein, Son of Sam, countless active shooters.

I'll admit that something about this crime against the most vulnerable of us brings back bad memories. I've been shot at. More times than I can remember. Brooklyn in the 90's were a hell of a time. And I feel nothing about that as much as what happened in the past makes sure I don't leave my house without a form of protection.

So that leads me to believe I'm too close to the matter. I'd rank him as number one, but I feel like that's emotion more than being logical. In efforts to be logical, I'd like to get other options.

Larry Nasser. Used his position and the hopes and dreams of little girls for more than a decade to molest them. Scores of them. In your criteria of what makes someone a horrendous criminal, where would you say he ranks in the pantheon of America's top Criminals?

Depends how you rank it. Guys a prick, that's for sure. But how are you scoring actual murders against molestation? I mean, I'd easily rank killing 50 people above molesting 150, but at what point are the severities equal?

Personally, I'd be reluctant to put it in the top 5. You have had a lot of fairly nasty shooters. Top 10, could be.

I mean, the worse issue here is the culture in which such a person got into such a senior position of trust. And wasn't discovered for 16 years.

Albert Fish is top three material. This guy doesn't even break the top 100.

As a victim as well, I think it's so ridiculously subjective and interpretive that "ranking" feels trivial. There's no "logical" way to compare violent criminals to one another, as how any event can influence a person varies substantially.

not really. top ten at a stretch.
its not that what he did wasn't really horrible because it was.
be he faces a lot of competition for top 10 in the US.

Seriously? Dude is a monster, sure, and he'll have his throat slashed within a week at prison, but Top 10? How many people has he murdered? How many bombings has he committed? How many mass shootings has he taken part in?

I mean how many of his victims would have rather met with Ted Bundy or the Zodiac Killer? Or spent the night in HH Holmes murder house? Or gone a date with Rodnet Alcala?

Would most people actually prefer to be buried alive or melted alive in acid or have your skin flensed rather than be molested?

Top 10 molesters/rapists maybe, sure, but Top 10 like in general? Nah.

This gets to the heart of a very interesting question regarding how we class one type of crime vs another. To tour questiong: I don't know. There is a lot of debate over whether rape is worse than murder (a tastless discussion, but a salient one) and one must then ask how much molestation must one commit before it is tantamount to rape?

The easy answer is: they are all terrible crimes and cannot be tolerated. But because of the way most justice systems work, a jurly and/or judge will ultimately be responsible for determining a sentence, and that punishment will be reflective of how the people (justice here being expected to echo the greater sentiments of society) rate these crimes against one another.

All I can say is I hope the result is satisfying to you, as a survivor yourself. Personally Im looking forward to reading the decision - once you get past the fire and brimstone there is usually some interesting philisophical discussion on the nature of justice in big ones like this.

Pretty sure the top ten is exhausted by people involved with enforcing the Trail of Tears death march.

So, the answer to this question is "no".

Seanchaidh:
Pretty sure the top ten is exhausted by people involved with enforcing the Trail of Tears death march.

So, the answer to this question is "no".

I think there's room for a few serial killers and Confederates on there too. Although question of order - do Confederates count? They were there own nation at the time, specifically not united?

Gotta be another one to say no.

Top ten sex criminals? Sure. Top ten all time criminals? Absolutely not. Probably not even top 50.

Dirty Hipsters:
Gotta be another one to say no.

Top ten sex criminals? Sure.

Even then, he'd be up against people that owned large slave plantations, so maybe not.

Thaluikhain:

Dirty Hipsters:
Gotta be another one to say no.

Top ten sex criminals? Sure.

Even then, he'd be up against people that owned large slave plantations, so maybe not.

But those typically weren't known and recorded. Sure they existed, but can we really count crimes we don't have a record of?

Dirty Hipsters:

Thaluikhain:

Dirty Hipsters:
Gotta be another one to say no.

Top ten sex criminals? Sure.

Even then, he'd be up against people that owned large slave plantations, so maybe not.

But those typically weren't known and recorded. Sure they existed, but can we really count crimes we don't have a record of?

that also raises the question if one should count crimes that were not crimes at the time they were committed.

Perhaps rather more important than nailing Nassar for his crimes (which is itself very important) is amending the institutional processes of the organisation to see that people like Nassar can't get away with it for so long.

No-one can get away with this sort of thing without institutional facilitation or negligence. Inevitably it turns out people knew or should have known, and should have taken some sort of action much earlier.

Sentencing is in. I havent had a chance to read the decision yet but in addition to 60 years for child porn (previously convicted) he will be serving 40 to 175 years for the molestation charges. The range is related to his possibility of parole, meaning he has been handed a series of scentences having minimum time served totalling 40 years. The US typically requires sequential sentencing, so as I understand it, he will be more than 100 years old before his first opportunity for parole, assuming good behavior.

He is scheduled for further criminal assault hearings in the coming weeks.

When you're a complete piece of shit, does it really matter if you're in the top five pieces of shit?

We have had mass-shooters in this country so no. The guy is still a piece of shit.

Definitely not a top 10. Not in comparison to blatant murderes. But he's still scum either way. I also want all those who covered his ass to get the lock and key as well. Fuck them.

From the words you describe, it sounds like you've found a healthy way to come to terms and find control with the despicable treatment others have placed upon you in the past, and that is something not easy for people, neither is it easy being open about such experiences in an online space, it is the glimmer of hope and inner strength that sadly not enough people can find in themselves and achieve. But it is sincerely good to hear and can be a positive inspiration for any other who may not feel the hope or self-esteem to not allow it to overcome them.

When it comes to the use of describing evil, it's not something that translates too well to the various variations of variable humans with their subjective juicy grey matters. I try to look at it as potential harm inflicted psychologically and physically throughout however many generations that are affected. Though even that won't be useful for some, but hey, that's unavoidable.

Personally I find sexual abuse far more insidious and far-reaching in terms of damage and suffering than murder. Murder is simple, people can grieve, know and hate the perpetrators...hell people even get payed to murder for their country as murder is often seen as righteous self-defence against a dehumanised enemy.
Not the same with sexual abuse, it divides families, cause many victims to endure lives of suffering throughout their abuse as others disbelieve them or think they 'deserve' it or whatever, sometimes leading up to suicides. When people suffer so much they'd rather take their own lives, that is a far more sinister harm than simple murder. Then there's the people who learn all the wrong things from their abuse, so turn to abusing their own family or close ones, it leaks into further generations and still battles with a society of fuckwits that would rather dismiss any and all claims as 'attention seeking' at best. I could go on and on about the unseen and ignored damage of people appeasing their darkest sexual desires on unwilling victims, while often getting away with it all, but those words will be lost to the wind as is to be expected.

McMarbles:
When you're a complete piece of shit, does it really matter if you're in the top five pieces of shit?

This is a fair question. And it actually comes to the quick of what was stressing my mind about this.

The short answer is yes. For the simple fact that the acts as a nation that we revile and punish the most, essentially make the actors into our modern boogeymen (The Mason Family, 9/11 terrorist, Las Vegas Gunman).

The top ten are basically who we desperately want to make sure we don't have any more of in this world. It speaks to the collective psyche of us as a people. "These are the goal posts. We can't pass this, we shouldn't even come close to this."

My fear is the name Larry Nasser will soon fade from our memories because of "while bad, not as bad", leading to lax judgment calls of parents all over this nation again. The current guard-up is good. That's all.

 

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