What the dang heck is going on with DACA

So this is a companion to my government shutdown thread to update everyone specifically on the state of DACA negotiations.

DACA is/was the Obama administration program to defer the deportation of "Dreamers," illegal immigrants who were brought into the country under the age of majority (16) and who have lived their entire adult lives in the US. Trump cancelled that program in an impulsive effort to please his base, and the result was a months-long standoff between the Democrats - whose agreement was needed for a long-term budget deal and who were insisting on a DACA fix in exchange - and the Republicans, who were unwilling to bring any DACA bill to the floor that did not have the President's explicit support.

Trump, meanwhile, had no clear position on DACA and eventually settled for letting immigration hawks Stephen Miller and John Kelly control the terms of the debate. Miller and Kelly are both ardent restrictionists, and the resulting plan the White House put forward was a remarkably audacious attempt at extortion.

The White House deal would give a path to citizenship for up to 1.8 million Dreamers...in exchange for $25 billion dollars for a border wall, and the abolition of the visa lottery, and the abolition of family-based or "chain" migration, where an immigrant is allowed to sponsor their relatives for immigration after they have naturalised. This would have the effect of cutting legal immigration into the United States by half. The transparent logic behind the proposal was that the Democrats - having committed so publicly and fervently to protecting Dreamers, who are technically illegal immigrants - would be forced to consent to a wish-list of new restrictions on legal immigration that only make sense if your priorities for immigration reform start and end with "immigration sucks."

The White House proposal was too extreme, and negotiations effectively stalled just as they had in January. The Senate wants the Lindsey-Durbin proposal, which ties DACA protections to increased spending on border security. House Democrats and grassroots activists want DACA tied to the budget, because they know it'll never get passed otherwise. House Republicans don't want DACA at all; the far-right ones think it's an amnesty, and the moderate ones just think it's a headache. And the White House wants to hold Dreamers hostage in exchange for huge cuts to legal immigration as part of an agenda that can only be described as pretty fucking racist. The whole thing is pretty damn confusing.

The federal government has shut down again over an unrelated stunt pulled by Sen. Rand Paul, but the fate of DACA is still up in the air. It all rides on whether Democrats stand firm on their commitment that DACA be tied to the passage of the budget and risk being labelled obstructionists, or whether they fold. And to be honest, the latter is more likely.

I'm not gonna lie; it's looking bad for Dreamers right now.

This whole situation is such a shit show, and I pretty much have no hope of the Dreamers being able to stay. I never really did in the first place, not with the way this administration has looked at immigration as a whole, both legal and illegal. I mean just look at this shit https://www.vox.com/2018/2/8/16993172/trump-regulation-immigrants-benefits-public-charge
What really annoys me is how much they pushed the message that "we can't take care of the illegals, we need to take care of our own". The thing is they don't want to do that, even if you're here legally, hell even if you were born here. If you're not their ideal "model citizen" they don't give a shit about you. After all we can't take care of all Americans, just "real" Americans....and it's been made more and more clear what that truly is.

Nedoras:
If you're not rich and white their ideal "model citizen" they don't give a shit about you.

Fixed that for ya.

Nedoras:
What really annoys me is how much they pushed the message that "we can't take care of the illegals, we need to take care of our own". The thing is they don't want to do that,

Oh yeah, always annoying to see people want to help their countryfolk, but only in response to the idea of helping someone else, and without actually getting around to helping their countryfolk.

Apply that to wanting to help kids for the duration of an argument against abortion rights, or LGBT rights when someone mentions that radical Islam isn't keen on them. And any number of other examples you could think up, of course.

Brown people coming over to take our food and breath our air I guess.

I don't get American conservativism. On the one hand, the USA is literally the richest society to ever exist in the history of mankind and conservatives love telling people that, on the other hand, we're apparently so strapped for cash that we can't afford to spend a dime making our society just a little nicer. But anything's worth it to "TRIGGER DA LIBTARDZ!!1!" I guess.

Nedoras:
"we can't take care of the illegals,

These are politicians whose entire platform is built on caring as little as possible about other people. That's what the whole neoliberal capitalist schtick is all about, after all: greed is good, everyone's a taker, and we're going to say that this is all in the service of individualism and freedom while also saying that you don't deserve to live unless you can provide what some company decides is value to society.

Whats going on is that the minute that deadline passes, the ICE Gestapo are going to be busting down the doors of every single Dreamer, deporting every single one they can find (since they know exactly where they all live and are employed, since they have to hand that info over to the government). The Democrats are cowards and sold them down the river to try to peel off votes from racists in deep-red states.

BreakfastMan:
Whats going on is that the minute that deadline passes, the ICE Gestapo are going to be busting down the doors of every single Dreamer, deporting every single one they can find (since they know exactly where they all live and are employed, since they have to hand that info over to the government). The Democrats are cowards and sold them down the river to try to peel off votes from racists in deep-red states.

Don't forget the long stint waiting for deportation in the for-profit detention center where they can undercut American labor for $2 an hour that they can use at the company store.

BreakfastMan:
Whats going on is that the minute that deadline passes, the ICE Gestapo are going to be busting down the doors of every single Dreamer, deporting every single one they can find (since they know exactly where they all live and are employed, since they have to hand that info over to the government). The Democrats are cowards and sold them down the river to try to peel off votes from racists in deep-red states.

It's even worse than that. The Democrats could have rewritten the immigration laws back in the early years of the Obama administration when they had majorities. They chose to stick their heads in the sand and pretend that there would always be a Democrat in office to defy the law so they could avoid the political inconvenience of providing lasting legal protection. One of the worst things about this fiasco is that Trump isn't even pushing the envelope, legally speaking; he's just finally enforcing laws that have been on the books for many years, but that a lot of people had convinced themselves would never actually be enforced.

Veylon:

BreakfastMan:
Whats going on is that the minute that deadline passes, the ICE Gestapo are going to be busting down the doors of every single Dreamer, deporting every single one they can find (since they know exactly where they all live and are employed, since they have to hand that info over to the government). The Democrats are cowards and sold them down the river to try to peel off votes from racists in deep-red states.

It's even worse than that. The Democrats could have rewritten the immigration laws back in the early years of the Obama administration when they had majorities. They chose to stick their heads in the sand and pretend that there would always be a Democrat in office to defy the law so they could avoid the political inconvenience of providing lasting legal protection. One of the worst things about this fiasco is that Trump isn't even pushing the envelope, legally speaking; he's just finally enforcing laws that have been on the books for many years, but that a lot of people had convinced themselves would never actually be enforced.

This is why I have to bitterly laugh when ever I run into someone who thinks the Dems are on the left.

Or competent enough to manage one of the several conspiracy theories I see floating around.

The Republicans want to end it but they're afraid that they'll be killed in a backlash from the left if they do. The Democrats want to protect it but they're afraid that they'll be killed in a backlash from the right if they do. Both of them have realized that they can get a lot of campaign contributions by making a huge scene about it and ending the issue decisively would mean giving up that cash cow.

Basically it's just a whole shitshow of wealthy political operator types putting party over country and shirking their basic humanitarian obligations.

Update: The immigration debate in the Senate has ended in failure, after seven separate proposals were raised and four voted on. All four bills failed by varying margins.

The tl;dr is that there were two realistic proposals on the table. One was a basic one-for-one exchange: protection for the Dreamers combined with $25 billion in funding for Trump's border wall. That was the bipartisan deal that probably should have won in any sane universe; Trump gets his money for his stupid wall that Mexico was supposed to pay for, and hundreds of thousands of people don't get deported for no good reason.

The second bill was the White House one that has been looming over immigration negotiations since the government shutdown, which was asking for $25 billion in wall funding and the abolition of diversity visas and the restriction of family-based immigration. At the risk of sounding opinionated, this bill was essentially the White House holding Dreamers hostage in exchange for a conservative wish-list of cuts to legal immigration that would never get any Democratic support and which would dramatically alter the landscape of US immigration law for decades to come. That had the peculiar effect of shifting the debate from combating illegal immigration to restricting legal immigration.

Right on the cusp of the vote, Trump was campaigning furiously against the bipartisan proposal, to the extent that he was probably responsible for killing it given the thin margin (just six votes) by which it was defeated.

Conversely, the White House proposal received a stinging rebuke from the Senate; not only did it fail to win crucial Democratic votes, it failed to get all the Republican votes. It was supported only by Trump's allies in the Senate and a handful of far-right immigration restrictionists, most of whom couldn't really explain why they wanted to vote for it.

The consequence of all this is that Dreamers are being left in limbo once again. They probably won't be deported immediately come March, because of a federal court order that still needs to be overturned before Trump can start doing that. I'm tempted to blame the Democrats for their extremely poor showing in the great game of Congressional poker - first shutting down the government, then pulling back anti-climatically, then inexplicably surrendering the leverage afforded by a shutdown by passing a budget bill not tied to DACA.

But the recurring problem with the immigration debate hasn't been the Democrats and it hasn't even been the Republicans; it's been Donald Trump. Every bipartisan proposal put on the table that looks like it might get the Democrats and Republicans to agree on something has been torpedoed by Donald Trump, and every time the Democrats offered a concession of any sort to meet Trump's earlier demands, he would reject that concession and make more demands. Eventually the Democrats - and a fair number of Republicans - just decided that protecting the Dreamers wasn't worth the extreme cuts to legal immigration that Trump was demanding.

Nobody comes out of this looking good. The Democrats look spineless, and their projected lead in the midterms has collapsed. The Dreamers are going to get shafted in a couple of weeks when they'll all lose their jobs and have to start living with the prospect of getting abruptly deported to a country they haven't visited since childhood. The Republicans look dysfunctional, and Trump just looks cruel - with all his professed sympathy for the Dreamers ringing hollow now that he's going to be deporting them in a few weeks and could save them all at the drop of a hat just by reinstating DACA and returning to the status quo.

It's okay guys, John Oliver and SNL will say this is bad and that'll stop 'em!

Ninjamedic:
It's okay guys, John Oliver and SNL will say this is bad and that'll stop 'em!

Chuck Schumer will say "Mr. Trump, how dare you sir", and everyone will be so shocked they will have to restore DACA!

You'll see a bunch of fires lit under everyone's ass the closer we get to March 5th.

Going to be interesting to see how all this plays out. Probably some sloppy, shit deal for both sides at the 11th hour.

Same old business tactics he always uses: this fragile thing you like and want(in this case, the DACA executive order)? I'm going to let it go(not be renewed, in this case) if you don't play ball with me.
That's all it is. He's using it as a stick or carrot to get what he wants. Same old politics

 

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