Is America evil?

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You know what just say yes..... I know you want to anyway.

Europeans, Russians, Chinese, Canadians, Australians..... in fact, let's just make it simple and say the entire world..... all of you hate Americans right? I mean, again, just say yes. I keep coming across it on YouTube. You blame them for every single thing that goes wrong in this world. For you, they are the source of all unhappiness, they are the causes of hunger and poverty and disease, of terrorism, blah blah blah blah.

In fact it's written here too:

https://www.rrrather.com/view/169769

See, majority said yes. In fact the only ones who said no are them.

So, why doesn't the world just destroy them.... just kill them all already? By the way that's something I got from another website, that's not my idea, so yeah.... and no, he wasn't talking about their government but every single one of them, it doesn't matter, young, old, sick, healthy; they all have to go.

According to an expert on Quora, he said that within two weeks, both Chinese and Russian air forces will be flying over the skies of Manhattan. Two weeks! And that's just two nations..... imagine what 194 countries combined can do! Plus, he also mentioned that the Americans are cowards anyways so, that is a huge advantage to the world.

People, you realize that for as long as they exist..... you will never be happy, right? Aren't you afraid that you might die of heart disease due to so much stress because of anti-Americanism? Let's give humanity peace. As for their lands, we can divide it, Native Americans get their share, the Philippines gets California and Washington and it's up to you what you want to do with the rest.

And when they are gone.....happiness and peace will rule the world, isn't that worth fighting for?

Yes people will die, sacrifices have to be made, that's natural but as I said, the rewards are boundless.

I actually made a good slogan while typing that too:

"Don't be afraid, sacrifices need to be made."

That could be a good slogan right there.

So yeah, why doesn't the world just kill them all and bring peace and happiness and love and joy and all those sorts of goodies to this world?

Why did you make this thread again?

Define evil in this context. Explain how the US fits that definition. Explain how the world could destroy a country that has a bigger military budget than the rest of the world. Explain how the US could be destroyed without hard crashing every country's economy.

I don't care what some poll claims, make your own argument.

Negative utilitarianism much? Just push out the greedy short-sighted selfish capitalist whores (no offense to sex workers intended) who are currently in power. It's not going to be quick or easy, but preferable over this flavour of thoughtless reduction

no. it is dumb though.

Why are you advocating genocide?

You're wasting time on this again, why?

Didn't you already make a thread like this before? Why are you obsessed with finding America evil? Do you want to nuke America out of the map or something?

I'm sorry, did we just go back in time by a month? Because while the phrasing is different, I'm getting a distinct feeling of deja vu.

edgy teen or russian/chinese bot? you decide!

But in all seriousness, how would the world destroy the US?

1. If anything happens to NYC, the entire world will feel it as it is the largest financial hub in the world.
2. nukes, lots of them. Particularly those on subs.
3. biggest and most advanced military in the world.
4. there are these two big ponds on either side of the country called oceans making any invasion difficult. Even if the world pooled its resources, getting an army to the US would be a herculean task. Unless the world is going to ask for a ride on our ships.
5. the citizens have lots of guns

There are more of course, but lets leave it at that. Also, it would be stupid for the world to directly try to destroy the US. About the only time americans work together is when we are attacked, other than that half the country despises the other half. If the destruction (or desolution) of the US is the goal, it would be fair easier to manipulate the US into destroying itself.

Ryotknife:
edgy teen or russian/chinese bot? you decide!

But in all seriousness, how would the world destroy the US?

No need. Trump's ego will get eventually so big that it's weight will inevitably sink the entire country into the ocean like the Atlantis.

Not really, no. US global dominance has ensured decades of free-trade between countries and forestalled another global world war. People like to call America the bad-guy and to get out of the affairs of other countries, but when something goes wrong like a natural disaster or some terrorist group kidnaps a bunch of people, its always 'What's American going to do?! How is American going to pay for this? America needs to do more and spend more money!'

America is just an easy scapegoat and applause line for politicians. They'll get laughs by rolling their eyes an flag-waving gun having American rednecks, but when push comes to shove every single one of them would rather America be front and center than not.

Like most countries they are not good or evil. From my perspective as a european, America is that one loud gun-nut friend who is kind of a dick some times, and just every so often mainlines a fuckload of heroin and goes on a shooting rampage, and you just hope he doesn't come by your neighbourhood or asks you to join in his rampage

Get better bait, this stuff's stale.

Depends on who you ask.
All the people we've tortured? Yeah, they'd probably say we're evil. Along with the people killed by our legally questionable (or illegal) wars.
But the term "evil" isn't very useful as far as historical analysis goes.

Holy shit, this random American patriot with a basic understanding of irony has figured out our secret plan..

Abort! Abort! Operation Endearing Frogurt is compromised!

evilthecat:
Holy shit, this random American patriot with a basic understanding of irony has figured out our secret plan..

Abort! Abort! Operation Endearing Frogurt is compromised!

What comes after Operation Endearing Frogurt? Operation Extended Brainfreeze?

Also if this is a foreign OP it should have a foreign name. Like "Fish and Chips"

CaitSeith:

Ryotknife:
edgy teen or russian/chinese bot? you decide!

But in all seriousness, how would the world destroy the US?

No need. Trump's ego will get eventually so big that it's weight will inevitably sink the entire country into the ocean like the Atlantis.

sounds like that would raise the ocean levels even more than the glaciers melting.

Silentpony:
Not really, no. US global dominance has ensured decades of free-trade between countries and forestalled another global world war. People like to call America the bad-guy and to get out of the affairs of other countries, but when something goes wrong like a natural disaster or some terrorist group kidnaps a bunch of people, its always 'What's American going to do?! How is American going to pay for this? America needs to do more and spend more money!'

America is just an easy scapegoat and applause line for politicians. They'll get laughs by rolling their eyes an flag-waving gun having American rednecks, but when push comes to shove every single one of them would rather America be front and center than not.

That doesn't follow. It's perfectly possible to condemn a group or institution for what it is doing (or not doing), while calling upon it to do something else. Also, it was MAD, not so much the US alone preventing a world war.

I'm not saying we should eat all Americans or anything, that would require a lot of sauce.

Thaluikhain:

Silentpony:
Not really, no. US global dominance has ensured decades of free-trade between countries and forestalled another global world war. People like to call America the bad-guy and to get out of the affairs of other countries, but when something goes wrong like a natural disaster or some terrorist group kidnaps a bunch of people, its always 'What's American going to do?! How is American going to pay for this? America needs to do more and spend more money!'

America is just an easy scapegoat and applause line for politicians. They'll get laughs by rolling their eyes an flag-waving gun having American rednecks, but when push comes to shove every single one of them would rather America be front and center than not.

That doesn't follow. It's perfectly possible to condemn a group or institution for what it is doing (or not doing), while calling upon it to do something else. Also, it was MAD, not so much the US alone preventing a world war.

I'm not saying we should eat all Americans or anything, that would require a lot of sauce.

Well no because what the world is calling upon America to do when things are good is contradicted by what they want when things are bad. Everyone is all about telling America to go fuck itself, until a bomb goes off and then its 'Where's the CIA? We need American support. We need troops on the ground in Africa, and it needs to be Americans doing it, and also pay for it, and while you're at it, pay for the investigation into the bombing in Germany'

And MAD hasn't been a thing in nearly 30 years. What keeps the world safe is American, being a complete dick I'll agree, declared the American cost ends about 5 miles off the shores of every nation in the world, so the US Navy has free range of 99.99% of the ocean, and the sky above it, and the depths beneath. And since the US is open to free trade, 99.99% of the oceans have free trade.

When pirates hijack a freighter, they don't call on Brazil or Angola or Taiwan to send their warships and special forces to take it back, its the US. Even if its an Australian ship heading for South Africa, its US special forces, ships and money that everyone expects.

If the US actually took a step back like every other nations says they want the US to, they'd find real quick the world is really complicated, war is expensive, and none of them have the international network in place to deal with international crisis and military actions.

Silentpony:
Well no because what the world is calling upon America to do when things are good is contradicted by what they want when things are bad. Everyone is all about telling America to go fuck itself, until a bomb goes off and then its 'Where's the CIA? We need American support. We need troops on the ground in Africa, and it needs to be Americans doing it, and also pay for it, and while you're at it, pay for the investigation into the bombing in Germany'

Calling upon the US to stop causing problems does not contradict calling upon the US to solve problems. The US has options other than "make things worse" and "do nothing". Don't start a war with Iraq doesn't contradict do finish the war in Afghanistan.

Hell, there are plenty of things the US does to make things better, and they don't tend to get called out of that.

Silentpony:
And MAD hasn't been a thing in nearly 30 years.

The major powers (and some minor ones) retain nuclear arsenals for a reason. The US would be on the losing side of a world war, along with most/all of the planet.

Silentpony:
When pirates hijack a freighter, they don't call on Brazil or Angola or Taiwan to send their warships and special forces to take it back, its the US. Even if its an Australian ship heading for South Africa, its US special forces, ships and money that everyone expects.

Any number of nations are involved in dealing with piracy. True, the US has the largest fleet, so it's more likely the US Navy will be in a position to respond quickly than most.

Silentpony:
If the US actually took a step back like every other nations says they want the US to, they'd find real quick the world is really complicated, war is expensive, and none of them have the international network in place to deal with international crisis and military actions.

Depends on the crisis. Invading Iraq, sure, wouldn't work without the US. Regional conflict/crisises like the Flaklands, East Timor, the Solomons, no the US was not required.

Thaluikhain:
SNIP

The problem is that 'good' is always incredibly relative.

When the world calls on American to make the Middle East 'good', that's mean a lot to different nations. To Israel, its make the middle east Israeli friendly. To Pakistan its destroy Israel. To the UK it's just keep people out of UK. To Germany its stop the violence. To Russia its leave the door open for Russia to come in. To Mexico its fuck the middle east.
So no matter what the US does, from nothing to everything, half of the world thinks they didn't do the right thing, and the other half is going to complain the US is doing too much.
But again no one else was willing to do anything. No one wants to have their fingerprints on anything, lest it become politically awkward.

The point is the US isn't going to be the bail money for the world. The US isn't here just to give money and supplies to random nations as needed, expecting a fuck you, go away in return. The US is not a blank check for the rest of the world to publicly scoff at, while writing hundred million dollar checks to themselves.
If the world wants the US to bank and supply keeping free trade open, conducting international actions, and have forces 4 hours away from any location on earth, then the US gets to call the shots on what those forces do and what actions to take.

Its not the US doing something wrong vs. the US doing something right, its the US doing something publicly 50% of the world wants vs. the US doing privately what the other 50% of the world wants, all on the US dime, all while both side condemn the US publicly while asking for more in private.

Silentpony:
The problem is that 'good' is always incredibly relative.

I would have said subjective, but yes, certainly.

Silentpony:
But again no one else was willing to do anything. No one wants to have their fingerprints on anything, lest it become politically awkward.

That is not remotely true. Nations other than the US do things internationally, in the form of military deployments or giving humanitarian aid.

Silentpony:
The US isn't here just to give money and supplies to random nations as needed

The US spends less than 0.15% of its GNI on foreign aid. And much of that is goes to Israel for strategic and political reasons, and much of that money needs to be spent on US weapons, thus subsidising US arms industries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_development_aid_country_donors

Sweden spends 1.6, the UK 0.67, Australia 0.26.

Silentpony:
If the world wants the US to bank and supply keeping free trade open, conducting international actions, and have forces 4 hours away from any location on earth, then the US gets to call the shots on what those forces do and what actions to take.

Yes, but nobody is trying to take those powers away, they are criticising how those powers are used.

If I had to rank all the countries in the world in order of positive to negative, whether I appreciated or resented their influence (or would if they had any significant influence), the USA would be ranked high in the positive.

Much irritation at the USA is perhaps partly that its huge cultural presence dominates a lot of discussion, so it gets lots of criticism just by being so talked about. Some is perhaps disappointment rather than dislike - they don't think badly of the USA so much as that they so wished it did better.

Thaluikhain:

The US spends less than 0.15% of its GNI on foreign aid. And much of that is goes to Israel for strategic and political reasons, and much of that money needs to be spent on US weapons, thus subsidising US arms industries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_development_aid_country_donors

Sweden spends 1.6, the UK 0.67, Australia 0.26.

Yeah but those numbers, again, are super subjective. Sweden is small. 1.6% is $7.09 billion, the UK $18.7 billion and Australia is $3.22 billion.
The US alone gives $31.8 billion. Only the entirety of the European Union, all 28 Nations, give more combined. So does that mean the EU is the most evil? Or is the US most evil because its the highest single country donor?

CM156:
Depends on who you ask.
All the people we've tortured? Yeah, they'd probably say we're evil. Along with the people killed by our legally questionable (or illegal) wars.
But the term "evil" isn't very useful as far as historical analysis goes.

If the world is a sauna, the US is one of three burly dudes. He protects all of his smaller friends, but some times does it in unwanted ways, such as placing cameras in the shower and every so often he goes onto the floor, starts doing the helicopter agressively in a smaller nation's face, then falls back exhausted and looks at everyone else like it's their fault. The status quo continues nonetheless in the form of the subtle homoerotic tension constantly present in the room

CyanCat47:

CM156:
Depends on who you ask.
All the people we've tortured? Yeah, they'd probably say we're evil. Along with the people killed by our legally questionable (or illegal) wars.
But the term "evil" isn't very useful as far as historical analysis goes.

If the world is a sauna, the US is one of three burly dudes. He protects all of his smaller friends, but some times does it in unwanted ways, such as placing cameras in the shower and every so often he goes onto the floor, starts doing the helicopter agressively in a smaller nation's face, then falls back exhausted and looks at everyone else like it's their fault. The status quo continues nonetheless in the form of the subtle homoerotic tension constantly present in the room

That's putting it mildly. The only way this analogy would work is if it was a sauna in icy Finland and there were a hundred or so smaller dudes or midgets locked outside in the snow. Occasionally the burly guy would go out and beat some of them up whenever they are on the verge of finding a way in.

CM156:
What comes after Operation Endearing Frogurt? Operation Extended Brainfreeze?

Okay, who is feeding you information.. don't tell me we have a mole in the super secret anti-America conspiracy..

CM156:
Also if this is a foreign OP it should have a foreign name. Like "Fish and Chips"

Hey, that's not bad.

CyanCat47:
If the world is a sauna, the US is one of three burly dudes. He protects all of his smaller friends, but some times does it in unwanted ways, such as placing cameras in the shower and every so often he goes onto the floor, starts doing the helicopter agressively in a smaller nation's face, then falls back exhausted and looks at everyone else like it's their fault. The status quo continues nonetheless in the form of the subtle homoerotic tension constantly present in the room

See, this is why the queers need to take over.

International politics would be way more chill.

SupahEwok:
Get better bait, this stuff's stale.

Tell that to @silentpony and @Thaluikhain

Seriously, they should know better.

Why the hell does this thread exist?

bastardofmelbourne:
Why the hell does this thread exist?

Because I allow it to (insert evil laugh here). More seriously, while the OP is verging on inflammatory, the discussion has actually been on the level, which is what we all want from R&P, no?

Parts of us are, others aren't.
Parts of us are Chaotic Stupid, and they get to decide who represents us.

Yes

Yes, but so is every other country. Humanity and its energies as currently organised and directed is evil. The only possible outcome is destruction and suffering on massive scales.

Evil is a pointless metric. It's substantially better than the British Empire. Arguably it's awful because enough non-Anericans let it be. Like anyone, spare the rod and you spoil the child.

Not that I believe in corporal punishment ... but it is the easiest and quickest way to make a point known.

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