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Trump calls for Russia to be reinstated to G-7, threatens allies on trade

QUEBEC CITY: President Trump on Friday said Russia should be readmitted to the Group of Seven leading economies, breaking with other world leaders who have insisted that Moscow remain ostracized after its 2014 annexation of Crimea.
"Now, I love our country. I have been Russia's worst nightmare . . . . But with that being said, Russia should be in this meeting," Trump said Friday as he left the White House. "Whether you like it or not, and it may not be politically correct, but we have a world to run . . . . They should let Russia come back in.'

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-calls-for-russia-to-be-reinstated-to-g7-threatens-allies-on-trade/2018/06/08/6a13d876-6b15-11e8-bea7-c8eb28bc52b1_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.49ee11ccc1cb
So Russia interferes with US elections, launches cyber attacks on department of defense, the power grid, US officials, Hospitals, and carries out assassinations on our Allies soil and Trump wants to turn over US cyber security to Russia and push their interests at G7 while attacking US allies. Go figure.

Might be a reaction to certain other G-7 participants proposing that the US should maybe be excluded in the future to continue as G-6.

Or maybe he wants to have at least one participant he doesn't disagree with at every single thing. G-7 this time is so hostile that Trump doesn't even really wont to be there and cut his attendance short to be instead sooner in Singapore to prefer for a less hostile meeting with Kim.

Ehh, again, I'd hold fire on the conspiracy theories. Never put down to conspiracy what you can put down to incompetence.

Trump's currently throwing hissy fits at the EU and Canada, and has been for some time, and so this probably seems, in his head at least, to be some move in the trade game. He's a numpty, it's a terrible idea, and he should be roundly chastised for it, but conspiracy requires a level of actual composure that Trump doesn't have.

At least maybe now EU might actually speak up when the CIA kidnaps people and performs extraordinary rendition in their backyard to deliver them to black sites in Egypt.

Catnip1024:
Ehh, again, I'd hold fire on the conspiracy theories. Never put down to conspiracy what you can put down to incompetence.

Trump's currently throwing hissy fits at the EU and Canada, and has been for some time, and so this probably seems, in his head at least, to be some move in the trade game. He's a numpty, it's a terrible idea, and he should be roundly chastised for it, but conspiracy requires a level of actual composure that Trump doesn't have.

At this point, the Occam's Razor IS Trump colluding with Russia.

Catnip1024:
Ehh, again, I'd hold fire on the conspiracy theories. Never put down to conspiracy what you can put down to incompetence.

Trump's currently throwing hissy fits at the EU and Canada, and has been for some time, and so this probably seems, in his head at least, to be some move in the trade game. He's a numpty, it's a terrible idea, and he should be roundly chastised for it, but conspiracy requires a level of actual composure that Trump doesn't have.

What here is a conspiracy theory? No conspiracy theory, these are just the events that already happened. Don't you remember what happened last time he met with Russia? He isn't intelligent enough to make it secret, he did this openly.

Lil devils x:
What here is a conspiracy theory? No conspiracy theory, these are just the events that already happened.

So you have incontrovertible proof he committed High Treason and conspired to act against US allies then? Why not hand it in then as opposed to chatting on a forum?

Addendum_Forthcoming:
At least maybe now EU might actually speak up when the CIA kidnaps people and performs extraordinary rendition in their backyard to deliver them to black sites in Egypt.

Nah, that's just business as usual, once The Aberration has been removed, normal service will resume.

Ninjamedic:

Lil devils x:
What here is a conspiracy theory? No conspiracy theory, these are just the events that already happened.

So you have incontrovertible proof he committed High Treason and conspired to act against US allies then? Why not hand it in then as opposed to chatting on a forum?

Who said that besides you? Stop putting words in other's mouths. I stated nothing above that there is not already proof of.

Lil devils x:

Who said that besides you?

Proof of what then? If we know he's a Russian plant beyond doubt, what are you all doing sitting around?

Ninjamedic:

Lil devils x:

Who said that besides you?

Proof of what then? If we know he's a Russian plant beyond doubt, what are you all doing sitting around?

So what are you on about? You think that people should not discuss the current events but instead should charge the white house? LOL
That is what forums are for remember, to discuss things? Indictments are the job of Congress and Mueller, not a Pediatrician. The latest I believe for a Russian Ukrainian representative.

Nothing I have discussed has not already happened here. It isn't like it is some secret. You would have to have lived under a rock by now not to hear about the events that have been taking place.

What are you questioning that you would like the source to?

Russia! Russia! Russia!
Is this just another thread aimed at fanning the flames of the Russian collusion conspiracy theory?

Let's not forget that he just signed Russian sanctions, he bombed Russia's closest ally Syria twice, and he denied a Russian oil company access to one of our offshore drilling sites.

If he's really working for Russian interests because he's some manchurian candidate, then he's doing a piss poor job at it. Then again, he's doing a piss poor job as president.

Satinavian:
Might be a reaction to certain other G-7 participants proposing that the US should maybe be excluded in the future to continue as G-6.

He advocated for Russia prior to this suggestion.

Satinavian:

Or maybe he wants to have at least one participant he doesn't disagree with at every single thing.

What does Trump agree with Putin on that is good for the US?

Satinavian:
G-7 this time is so hostile that Trump doesn't even really wont to be there and cut his attendance short to be instead sooner in Singapore to prefer for a less hostile meeting with Kim.

Maybe it wouldn't be hostile if Trump wasn't unilaterally[1] declaring national security based tariffs against our closest allies? He only has himself to blame. If you poke someone in the eye with a fork, they're probably not going to be the kindest to you at the next "how to best use food utensils" meeting.

[1] Not even perpetually head-in-the-sand Congressional Republicans are happy about it

WolvDragon:
Russia! Russia! Russia!
Is this just another thread aimed at fanning the flames of the Russian collusion conspiracy theory?

Yeah! Just like all of those Russia-related indictments against a number of Trump campaign and administration officials and Trump's personal relations are fake! It's not like they're a part of federal public record or anything!

WolvDragon:

Let's not forget that he just signed Russian sanctions

Which he was and still is strongly against and has undermined and defanged them in every way in his power to do so.

WolvDragon:
he bombed Russia's closest ally Syria twice

With a significant amount of prior warning and resulting damage that was as if it never occurred within 24 hours.

WolvDragon:
and he denied a Russian oil company access to one of our offshore drilling sites.

Fair enough. I'd argue with you over why he denied it, but he did, in fact, deny it.

WolvDragon:
If he's really working for Russian interests because he's some manchurian candidate, then he's doing a piss poor job at it. Then again, he's doing a piss poor job as president.

I mean Trump trying to do something and failing is pretty par for the course. He has also been constrained by the natural bars that are in place around a President's authority.

WolvDragon:
Russia! Russia! Russia!
Is this just another thread aimed at fanning the flames of the Russian collusion conspiracy theory?

Let's not forget that he just signed Russian sanctions, he bombed Russia's closest ally Syria twice, and he denied a Russian oil company access to one of our offshore drilling sites.

If he's really working for Russian interests because he's some manchurian candidate, then he's doing a piss poor job at it. Then again, he's doing a piss poor job as president.

Trump only works for HIS interests, of which he has interest in Russia, as he was trying to build a Trump tower in Russia prior to running for President. He didn't choose to bomb, when his military chose to bomb (He has the military on automatic because he didn't want the responsibility) he warned the Russians in advance. He said he would not enforce the sanctions when congress forced his hand:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/29/russia-sanctions-white-house-congress-376813
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-russia-sanctions-trump-no-new-congress-law-election-hacking-intervention-putin-kremlin-a8184866.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-puts-the-brake-on-new-russian-sanctions-reversing-haleys-announcement/2018/04/16/ac3ad4f8-417f-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html

Avnger:

WolvDragon:
Russia! Russia! Russia!
Is this just another thread aimed at fanning the flames of the Russian collusion conspiracy theory?

Yeah! Just like all of those Russia-related indictments against a number of Trump campaign and administration officials and Trump's personal relations are fake! It's not like they're a part of federal public record or anything!

WolvDragon:

Let's not forget that he just signed Russian sanctions

Which he was and still is strongly against and has undermined and defanged them in every way in his power to do so.

WolvDragon:
he bombed Russia's closest ally Syria twice

With a significant amount of prior warning and resulting damage that was as if it never occurred within 24 hours.

WolvDragon:
and he denied a Russian oil company access to one of our offshore drilling sites.

Fair enough. I'd argue with you over why he denied it, but he did, in fact, deny it.

WolvDragon:
If he's really working for Russian interests because he's some manchurian candidate, then he's doing a piss poor job at it. Then again, he's doing a piss poor job as president.

I mean Trump trying to do something and failing is pretty par for the course. He has also been constrained by the natural bars that are in place around a President's authority.

Until there's evidence that Trump is directly involved with Russia, there is no collusion here yet. Besides Hilary had the help of the Ukranian government. Why is no one investigating her for Ukranian collusion? https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

Trust me I want to see Trump busted for any potential crime he may have committed, but let's not pretend that the Russian collusion thing isn't a play at geopolitical politics with an old cold war foe.

Ninjamedic:

Lil devils x:

Who said that besides you?

Proof of what then?

You're also the first person to talk about "proof" of any kind in here. Why're you asking others to provide something, which only you have brought up until now?

WolvDragon:

Is this just another thread aimed at fanning the flames of the Russian collusion conspiracy theory?

Let's not forget that he just [...] bombed Russia's closest ally Syria twice

Well, let's not read anything terribly meaningful into his action there. He made some very superficial, unstrategic movements, which had next-to-no lasting impact.

It was empty gesture-politics at its most vacuous.

Lil devils x:

WolvDragon:
Russia! Russia! Russia!
Is this just another thread aimed at fanning the flames of the Russian collusion conspiracy theory?

Let's not forget that he just signed Russian sanctions, he bombed Russia's closest ally Syria twice, and he denied a Russian oil company access to one of our offshore drilling sites.

If he's really working for Russian interests because he's some manchurian candidate, then he's doing a piss poor job at it. Then again, he's doing a piss poor job as president.

Trump only works for HIS interests, of which he has interest in Russia, as he was trying to build a Trump tower in Russia prior to running for President. He didn't choose to bomb, when his military chose to bomb (He has the military on automatic because he didn't want the responsibility) he warned the Russians in advance. He said he would not enforce the sanctions when congress forced his hand:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/29/russia-sanctions-white-house-congress-376813
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-russia-sanctions-trump-no-new-congress-law-election-hacking-intervention-putin-kremlin-a8184866.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-puts-the-brake-on-new-russian-sanctions-reversing-haleys-announcement/2018/04/16/ac3ad4f8-417f-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html

So now the military can do whatever they want without his say so? Man our military is truly out of control then. And I don't disagree with you that he's working for his own interests, that's why he ran for president in the first place. Most people who run for president do so out of their own interests. This guy has complained about how tough it is to be president, but he hasn't resigned yet and he's still planning on running for reelection, because he knows he can profit from being the president of the U.S.

But until they find actual evidence of him working directly with the Russians, I don't buy into this Russia gate nonesense.

Silvanus:

Ninjamedic:

Lil devils x:

Who said that besides you?

Proof of what then?

You're also the first person to talk about "proof" of any kind in here. Why're you asking others to provide something, which only you have brought up until now?

No, I stated I have not stated anything that there was not already proof of. I, however, did not claim what he went on about, so of course why would I offer proof of something he said, not m?. I will gladly provide sources for every thing I stated above though.

WolvDragon:

Lil devils x:

WolvDragon:
Russia! Russia! Russia!
Is this just another thread aimed at fanning the flames of the Russian collusion conspiracy theory?

Let's not forget that he just signed Russian sanctions, he bombed Russia's closest ally Syria twice, and he denied a Russian oil company access to one of our offshore drilling sites.

If he's really working for Russian interests because he's some manchurian candidate, then he's doing a piss poor job at it. Then again, he's doing a piss poor job as president.

Trump only works for HIS interests, of which he has interest in Russia, as he was trying to build a Trump tower in Russia prior to running for President. He didn't choose to bomb, when his military chose to bomb (He has the military on automatic because he didn't want the responsibility) he warned the Russians in advance. He said he would not enforce the sanctions when congress forced his hand:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/29/russia-sanctions-white-house-congress-376813
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-russia-sanctions-trump-no-new-congress-law-election-hacking-intervention-putin-kremlin-a8184866.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-puts-the-brake-on-new-russian-sanctions-reversing-haleys-announcement/2018/04/16/ac3ad4f8-417f-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html

So now the military can do whatever they want without his say so? Man our military is truly out of control then. And I don't disagree with you that he's working for his own interests, that's why he ran for president in the first place. Most people who run for president do so out of their own interests. This guy has complained about how tough it is to be president, but he hasn't resigned yet and he's still planning on running for reelection, because he knows he can profit from being the president of the U.S.

But until they find actual evidence of him working directly with the Russians, I don't buy into this Russia gate nonesense.

Yes, he expanded the military's powers to act early on because he did not want to have to be briefed before every move they make.That was one of the first things he did as President. I guess you missed all that so I'll see what I can remember to find for you...

https://www.npr.org/2016/12/13/505348507/what-exactly-is-the-presidents-daily-brief-and-why-is-it-important
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-briefings-232479
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/05/us/politics/rules-of-engagement-military-force-mattis.html
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/04/05/mattis-trump-syria-iraq-yemen-isis/100016758/

There was much more on that at the time but I will have to remember more details for me to find the related material.

So even though The head of the Trump Campaign is already being charged with Conspiracy against the US, The man he placed in the highest position in the US National security has plead guilty about his Russian contacts and working for the interests of a foreign government, his own son was meeting with Russians that Trump's own associates from 2013 Russian pageant arranged to have them provide material that was gained through hacking US government officials, His daughter was working on Trump tower Moscow during the campaign, Trump openly asked Russians to hack a secret service protected US government official, The same hacker groups who targeted US elections, DNC, Government officials also hacked the Department of defense, the power grid, and hospitals as well as interfering with Ukrainian elections, you think it is all nonsense?

Trumps own campaign chair had helped get the pro Russian candidate elected in the Ukraine (the guy who actually handed over part of their country to Russia) prior to Trump bringing him on board for his campaign. Trump specifically bringing so many pro Russian players into his campaign and inner circle is no coincidence.

Relevant links:
http://time.com/5003623/paul-manafort-mueller-indictment-ukraine-russia/
https://medium.com/@ScottMStedman/in-2013-donald-trump-met-one-of-the-russian-attendees-to-the-2016-trump-tower-meeting-b8b90d2a3f4d
https://medium.com/@ScottMStedman/woman-who-helped-organize-miss-universe-in-2013-announced-trumps-presidential-run-in-january-2015-4fb218b6348a
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/michael-flynn-charged-with-making-false-statement-to-the-fbi/2017/12/01/e03a6c48-d6a2-11e7-9461-ba77d604373d_story.html?utm_term=.f9d2adf5c230
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jasonleopold/donald-trump-russian-spy-moscow-gru-felix-sater
https://nypost.com/2017/06/04/putin-on-flynn-i-didnt-even-really-talk-to-him/
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/06/ivanka-trump-worked-on-moscow-tower-project-during-campaign.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-hack-almost-brought-the-u-s-military-to-its-knees/
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/29/fbi-warns-russians-hacked-hundreds-of-thousands-of-routers.html
https://www.recode.net/2017/6/27/15881666/global-eu-cyber-attack-us-hackers-nsa-hospitals
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/experts-link-nsa-leaks-shadow-brokers-russia-kaspersky-144840962.html
https://www.npr.org/2018/03/23/596044821/russia-hacked-u-s-power-grid-so-what-will-the-trump-administration-do-about-it
https://federalnewsradio.com/cybersecurity/2018/02/russian-hackers-exploit-weakness-in-us-cyber-defense-2/
http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/386833-senate-intel-report-says-russia-waged-unprecedented-cyber-campaign
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-russia-20170709-story.html

Although if there is anything specific you question,I am sure I can find you the relevant source for it.

WolvDragon:
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Leaving conspiracy aside, care to explain Trump's motives to bring Russia back to G7? (and don't spare the specifics)

CaitSeith:

WolvDragon:
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Leaving conspiracy aside, care to explain Trump's motives to bring Russia back to G7? (and don't spare the specifics)

The only explanation I can offer that isnt "RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!" conspiracies is that maybe Trump wants to have better relations with Russia? Believe it or not Obama tried to have better relations with Russia and the republicans went crazy, now that there's a republican president who wants to have better relationship with Russia, the Dems are the ones going crazy now. Or maybe he's doing favors for some of his Russian buddies, idk, I don't know Trump's thought process here, no one can. I'm not even sure Trump himself can explain his thought process other than trying to be a narcissist whose out to stroke his own ego.

Go ask Trump if you want the answers, I don't have any for his stupid actions.

Oh and shocker! I think having good relations with Russia is a good thing. The least liklihood of going to nuclear war with a nuclear armed state the better. Which is why I hope the North Korea summit goes smoothly.

WolvDragon:

CaitSeith:

WolvDragon:
snip

Leaving conspiracy aside, care to explain Trump's motives to bring Russia back to G7? (and don't spare the specifics)

The only explanation I can offer that isnt "RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!" conspiracies is that maybe Trump wants to have better relations with Russia? Believe it or not Obama tried to have better relations with Russia and the republicans went crazy, now that there's a republican president who wants to have better relationship with Russia, the Dems are the ones going crazy now. Or maybe he's doing favors for some of his Russian buddies, idk, I don't know Trump's thought process here, no one can. I'm not even sure Trump himself can explain his thought process other than trying to be a narcissist whose out to stroke his own ego.

Go ask Trump if you want the answers, I don't have any for his stupid actions.

Oh and shocker! I think having good relations with Russia is a good thing. The least liklihood of going to nuclear war with a nuclear armed state the better. Which is why I hope the North Korea summit goes smoothly.

Sure better relations with Russia would be great, if their intentions were honorable. You have to keep in mind that Putin's goals here have been to make US pay for the collapse of soviet Union and has vowed to bring back the glory of the Soviet Union. The reason why Russia keeps trying to pressure and invade it's neighbors is Putin wants to bring them all back under his control.

If Putin were not trying to bring down the US, we would love to have better relations with them.
Putin is currently trying to destabilize the EU and US so that he can invade his neighbors and US allies without any interference. Of course the US and EU should just allow this to happen right?

EDIT: I have no desire for nuclear war either, I also do not want to see our allies fall because we chose to turn a blind eye to what was happening when it could be prevented.

Lil devils x:

What are you questioning that you would like the source to?

I'm questioning the point of the Russia obsession to the detriment of coverage of topics such as Puerto Rico or ICE that are far more pressing and immediately damaging (I will accept if the distortion of coverage is from viewing US affairs from a foreign standpoint). Though I'm also expressing my fatigue at the constant Russia buzz with no real progress beyond what's to be expected from Mueller taking the appropriate time to make his case airtight and thorough, and my growing cynicism in how this one issue is being pushed above all others. Along with growing doubt that it will result in the desired outcome based on other cases of US presidential treason.

Lil devils x:

WolvDragon:

CaitSeith:

Leaving conspiracy aside, care to explain Trump's motives to bring Russia back to G7? (and don't spare the specifics)

The only explanation I can offer that isnt "RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!" conspiracies is that maybe Trump wants to have better relations with Russia? Believe it or not Obama tried to have better relations with Russia and the republicans went crazy, now that there's a republican president who wants to have better relationship with Russia, the Dems are the ones going crazy now. Or maybe he's doing favors for some of his Russian buddies, idk, I don't know Trump's thought process here, no one can. I'm not even sure Trump himself can explain his thought process other than trying to be a narcissist whose out to stroke his own ego.

Go ask Trump if you want the answers, I don't have any for his stupid actions.

Oh and shocker! I think having good relations with Russia is a good thing. The least liklihood of going to nuclear war with a nuclear armed state the better. Which is why I hope the North Korea summit goes smoothly.

Sure better relations with Russia would be great, if their intentions were honorable. You have to keep in mind that Putin's goals here have been to make US pay for collapse of soviet Union and has vowed to bring back the glory of the Soviet Union. The reason why Russia keeps trying to pressure and invade it's neighbors is Putin wants to bring them all back under his control.

If Putin were not trying to bring down the US, we would love to have better relations with them.
Putin is currently trying to destabilize the Eu and US so that he can invade his neighbors and US allies without any interference.

Well it's not surprising that a country is out for their own self-interests, just like how the U.S. wants to insert total global dominance in the guise of protecting democracy and international law, when they never cared for it if it was against their own self-interests.

The CIA taking out a democratically elected government in Iran during the 50s, the Bay of Pigs, Iraq War, the recent Syria bombings.

Point is, both countries want to have a sphere of dominance, and it's all a game of chess. No country is out there to be the benelovent actor, when it's all about world order.

WolvDragon:

Lil devils x:

WolvDragon:

The only explanation I can offer that isnt "RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA!" conspiracies is that maybe Trump wants to have better relations with Russia? Believe it or not Obama tried to have better relations with Russia and the republicans went crazy, now that there's a republican president who wants to have better relationship with Russia, the Dems are the ones going crazy now. Or maybe he's doing favors for some of his Russian buddies, idk, I don't know Trump's thought process here, no one can. I'm not even sure Trump himself can explain his thought process other than trying to be a narcissist whose out to stroke his own ego.

Go ask Trump if you want the answers, I don't have any for his stupid actions.

Oh and shocker! I think having good relations with Russia is a good thing. The least liklihood of going to nuclear war with a nuclear armed state the better. Which is why I hope the North Korea summit goes smoothly.

Sure better relations with Russia would be great, if their intentions were honorable. You have to keep in mind that Putin's goals here have been to make US pay for collapse of soviet Union and has vowed to bring back the glory of the Soviet Union. The reason why Russia keeps trying to pressure and invade it's neighbors is Putin wants to bring them all back under his control.

If Putin were not trying to bring down the US, we would love to have better relations with them.
Putin is currently trying to destabilize the Eu and US so that he can invade his neighbors and US allies without any interference.

Well it's not surprising that a country is out for their own self-interests, just like how the U.S. wants to insert total global dominance in the guise of protecting democracy and international law, when they never cared for it if it was against their own self-interests.

The CIA taking out a democratically elected government in Iran during the 50s, the Bay of Pigs, Iraq War, the recent Syria bombings.

Point is, both countries want to have a sphere of dominance, and it's all a game of chess. No country is out there to be the benelovent actor, when it's all about world order.

That is the issue though, if Russia is out to cause harm to the US and US allies, whose side should the US be on here? We cannot improve Russia/ US relations as long as they are actively trying to cause harm and refuse to cease.

No one said the US was innocent, the issue is are they representing the US here or Russia? Russia does not comply simply because one asked them to.

Ninjamedic:

Lil devils x:

What are you questioning that you would like the source to?

I'm questioning the point of the Russia obsession to the detriment of coverage of topics such as Puerto Rico or ICE that are far more pressing and immediately damaging (I will accept if the distortion of coverage is from viewing US affairs from a foreign standpoint). Though I'm also expressing my fatigue at the constant Russia buzz with no real progress beyond what's to be expected from Mueller taking the appropriate time to make his case airtight and thorough, and my growing cynicism in how this one issue is being pushed above all others. Along with growing doubt that it will result in the desired outcome based on other cases of US presidential treason.

Are you suggesting they turn a blind eye to any of the things happening? I have provided information on all these subjects, I do not think anything should be ignored here as it is ALL relevant. Claiming that Trump is doing so many bad things we should only focus on some of them? No, we are capable of addressing ALL of the issues, not just part of them. That does not take away from any of the other issues because we chose to address them all.

There has been plenty of progress, he just added new charges and indictments BTW. Maybe you are not paying attention because Trump has already exhausted you? Yes, it is disheartening to think that people may get away with these things, but not talking about isn't going to help prevent that from happening.

It is actually moving much faster than Watergate did, so that should be seen as an improvement. Surprisingly though with Trumps goons in congress trying to block him every step of the way.

Lil devils x:

WolvDragon:

Lil devils x:

Sure better relations with Russia would be great, if their intentions were honorable. You have to keep in mind that Putin's goals here have been to make US pay for collapse of soviet Union and has vowed to bring back the glory of the Soviet Union. The reason why Russia keeps trying to pressure and invade it's neighbors is Putin wants to bring them all back under his control.

If Putin were not trying to bring down the US, we would love to have better relations with them.
Putin is currently trying to destabilize the Eu and US so that he can invade his neighbors and US allies without any interference.

Well it's not surprising that a country is out for their own self-interests, just like how the U.S. wants to insert total global dominance in the guise of protecting democracy and international law, when they never cared for it if it was against their own self-interests.

The CIA taking out a democratically elected government in Iran during the 50s, the Bay of Pigs, Iraq War, the recent Syria bombings.

Point is, both countries want to have a sphere of dominance, and it's all a game of chess. No country is out there to be the benelovent actor, when it's all about world order.

That is the issue though, if Russia is out to cause harm to the US and US allies, whose side should the US be on here? We cannot improve Russia/ US relations as long as they are actively trying to cause harm and refuse to cease.

No one said the US was innocent, the issue is are they representing the US here or Russia? Russia does not comply simply because one asked them to.

If Russia seeks to actively harm us and our allies then they're risking further isolation and a much more horrifying scenario, World War 3. I'm pretty sure Putin doesn't want that, no one does. Even Kim Jong Un doesn't want nuclear war with the United States.

Again I can't say why Trump is advocating for Russian interests at the G7 meeting aside from wanting better relations or that he actually conspired with Putin. We know that men isn't mentally fit for anything though.

WolvDragon:

Lil devils x:

WolvDragon:

Well it's not surprising that a country is out for their own self-interests, just like how the U.S. wants to insert total global dominance in the guise of protecting democracy and international law, when they never cared for it if it was against their own self-interests.

The CIA taking out a democratically elected government in Iran during the 50s, the Bay of Pigs, Iraq War, the recent Syria bombings.

Point is, both countries want to have a sphere of dominance, and it's all a game of chess. No country is out there to be the benelovent actor, when it's all about world order.

That is the issue though, if Russia is out to cause harm to the US and US allies, whose side should the US be on here? We cannot improve Russia/ US relations as long as they are actively trying to cause harm and refuse to cease.

No one said the US was innocent, the issue is are they representing the US here or Russia? Russia does not comply simply because one asked them to.

If Russia seeks to actively harm us and our allies then they're risking further isolation and a much more horrifying scenario, World War 3. I'm pretty sure Putin doesn't want that, no one does. Even Kim Jong Un doesn't want nuclear war with the United States.

Again I can't say why Trump is advocating for Russian interests at the G7 meeting aside from wanting better relations or that he actually conspired with Putin. We know that men isn't mentally fit for anything though.

They ALREADY HAVE BEEN causing harm to US and allies. That is what the sanctions and isolation is about in the first place. Putin is calling the worlds bluff in that we won't do anything to them. Remember invasion of Georgia? Ukraine? the cyberattacks I linked above and far more on the global stage? The assassinations? attack on US troops?They call their bluff. Putin is not really concerned about the response as they deny everything as it is.

https://nypost.com/2018/02/13/russians-attacked-american-troops-on-putins-orders/
This has already been going on for some time, not "if they do" situation. Russia wants to be able to continue to do this and far more and have the US do nothing. Trump not wanting to even enforce the sanctions Congress passed makes that easier. No one wants ww3. Putin already knows that he can do as he will without that happening.

Lil devils x:

Ninjamedic:

Lil devils x:

What are you questioning that you would like the source to?

I'm questioning the point of the Russia obsession to the detriment of coverage of topics such as Puerto Rico or ICE that are far more pressing and immediately damaging (I will accept if the distortion of coverage is from viewing US affairs from a foreign standpoint). Though I'm also expressing my fatigue at the constant Russia buzz with no real progress beyond what's to be expected from Mueller taking the appropriate time to make his case airtight and thorough, and my growing cynicism in how this one issue is being pushed above all others. Along with growing doubt that it will result in the desired outcome based on other cases of US presidential treason.

Are you suggesting they turn a blind eye to any of the things happening? I have provided information on all these subjects, I do not think anything should be ignored here as it is ALL relevant. Claiming that Trump is doing so many bad things we should only focus on some of them? No, we are capable of addressing ALL of the issues, not just part of them. That does not take away from any of the other issues because we chose to address them all.

There has been plenty of progress, he just added new charges and indictments BTW. Maybe you are not paying attention because Trump has already exhausted you? Yes, it is disheartening to think that people may get away with these things, but not talking about isn't going to help prevent that from happening.

It is actually moving much faster than Watergate did, so that should be seen as an improvement.

I don't think he or any rational person is saying we should turn a blind eye to the Mueller Investigation. But how many smoking guns that have been reported about a possible collusion with Russia, and only to lead to nowhere? The Mueller investigation is still going, they have made many indictments. If Mueller finds something incriminating against Trump, trust me we'll know.

But I'm gonna have to agree with Ninjamedic, while the news media was screaming RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! Roseanne, and Stormy Daniels, how long were they talking about the crisis in Puerto Rico? Barely an hour!

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/1/17417180/puerto-rico-media-ignored-chart
https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2018/05/30/study-finds-5000-people-may-have-died-hurricane-maria-puerto-rico-cable-news-focused-roseanne/220335

Lil devils x:

WolvDragon:

Lil devils x:

That is the issue though, if Russia is out to cause harm to the US and US allies, whose side should the US be on here? We cannot improve Russia/ US relations as long as they are actively trying to cause harm and refuse to cease.

No one said the US was innocent, the issue is are they representing the US here or Russia? Russia does not comply simply because one asked them to.

If Russia seeks to actively harm us and our allies then they're risking further isolation and a much more horrifying scenario, World War 3. I'm pretty sure Putin doesn't want that, no one does. Even Kim Jong Un doesn't want nuclear war with the United States.

Again I can't say why Trump is advocating for Russian interests at the G7 meeting aside from wanting better relations or that he actually conspired with Putin. We know that men isn't mentally fit for anything though.

They ALREADY HAVE BEEN causing harm to US and allies. That is what the sanctions and isolation is about in the first place. Putin is calling the worlds bluff in that we won't do anything to them. Remember invasion of Georgia? Ukraine? the cyberattacks I linked above and far more on the global stage? The assassinations? attack on US troops?They call their bluff. Putin is not really concerned about the response as they deny everything as it is.

https://nypost.com/2018/02/13/russians-attacked-american-troops-on-putins-orders/
This has already been going on for some time, not "if they do" situation. Russia wants to be able to continue to do this and far more and have the US do nothing. Trump not wanting to even enforce the sanctions Congress passed makes that easier.

Then Putin is a bigger idiot then I thought.

Lil devils x:

No, we are capable of addressing ALL of the issues, not just part of them. That does not take away from any of the other issues because we chose to address them all.

I think there's a subtle difference between saying one issue is receiving disproportionate coverage above others, and saying to give up on it.

There has been plenty of progress, he just added new charges and indictments BTW. Maybe you are not paying attention because Trump has already exhausted you? Yes, it is disheartening to think that people may get away with these things, but not talking about isn't going to help prevent that from happening.

Again, I didn't say to not talk about it. I'm bringing up my growing doubts in the long term effectiveness of the investigation at this point for all the hype being thrown behind it.

WolvDragon:

Lil devils x:

Ninjamedic:

I'm questioning the point of the Russia obsession to the detriment of coverage of topics such as Puerto Rico or ICE that are far more pressing and immediately damaging (I will accept if the distortion of coverage is from viewing US affairs from a foreign standpoint). Though I'm also expressing my fatigue at the constant Russia buzz with no real progress beyond what's to be expected from Mueller taking the appropriate time to make his case airtight and thorough, and my growing cynicism in how this one issue is being pushed above all others. Along with growing doubt that it will result in the desired outcome based on other cases of US presidential treason.

Are you suggesting they turn a blind eye to any of the things happening? I have provided information on all these subjects, I do not think anything should be ignored here as it is ALL relevant. Claiming that Trump is doing so many bad things we should only focus on some of them? No, we are capable of addressing ALL of the issues, not just part of them. That does not take away from any of the other issues because we chose to address them all.

There has been plenty of progress, he just added new charges and indictments BTW. Maybe you are not paying attention because Trump has already exhausted you? Yes, it is disheartening to think that people may get away with these things, but not talking about isn't going to help prevent that from happening.

It is actually moving much faster than Watergate did, so that should be seen as an improvement.

I don't think he or any rational person is saying we should turn a blind eye to the Mueller Investigation. But how many smoking guns that have been reported about a possible collusion with Russia, and only to lead to nowhere? The Mueller investigation is still going, they have made many indictments. If Mueller finds something incriminating against Trump, trust me we'll know.

But I'm gonna have to agree with Ninjamedic, while the news media was screaming RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! Roseanne, and Stormy Daniels, how long were they talking about the crisis in Puerto Rico? Barely an hour!

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/1/17417180/puerto-rico-media-ignored-chart
https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2018/05/30/study-finds-5000-people-may-have-died-hurricane-maria-puerto-rico-cable-news-focused-roseanne/220335

Believe me, I already know all too well that the government, not just the media ignored Puerto Rico, I actually went there to help and encountered more barriers and corruption than I knew what to do with. I posted quite a bit on that already here.

The media is ignoring it because many Americans do not view Puerto Rico as part of the US and they are not concerned with it. American apathy is the issue there and yes, it is disgusting. I have probably discussed this more than most here however.
I am not aware of any smoking guns that went nowhere as of yet.

Ninjamedic:

Lil devils x:

No, we are capable of addressing ALL of the issues, not just part of them. That does not take away from any of the other issues because we chose to address them all.

I think there's a subtle difference between saying one issue is receiving disproportionate coverage above others, and saying to give up on it.

There has been plenty of progress, he just added new charges and indictments BTW. Maybe you are not paying attention because Trump has already exhausted you? Yes, it is disheartening to think that people may get away with these things, but not talking about isn't going to help prevent that from happening.

Again, I didn't say to not talk about it. I'm bringing up my growing doubts in the long term effectiveness of the investigation at this point for all the hype being thrown behind it.

Actions of Nunes and others have been disheartening. This is why we cannot let them sweep it under the rug and make sure people are aware of what is actually happening. I do agree other issues such as healthcare and Puerto Rico were ignored, I discussed those first, however. I made a posts on those issues yesterday/ today as well.

I have no say in what the media chooses to cover, as long as I am not ignoring it is what I have control over.

Lil devils x:

WolvDragon:

Lil devils x:

Are you suggesting they turn a blind eye to any of the things happening? I have provided information on all these subjects, I do not think anything should be ignored here as it is ALL relevant. Claiming that Trump is doing so many bad things we should only focus on some of them? No, we are capable of addressing ALL of the issues, not just part of them. That does not take away from any of the other issues because we chose to address them all.

There has been plenty of progress, he just added new charges and indictments BTW. Maybe you are not paying attention because Trump has already exhausted you? Yes, it is disheartening to think that people may get away with these things, but not talking about isn't going to help prevent that from happening.

It is actually moving much faster than Watergate did, so that should be seen as an improvement.

I don't think he or any rational person is saying we should turn a blind eye to the Mueller Investigation. But how many smoking guns that have been reported about a possible collusion with Russia, and only to lead to nowhere? The Mueller investigation is still going, they have made many indictments. If Mueller finds something incriminating against Trump, trust me we'll know.

But I'm gonna have to agree with Ninjamedic, while the news media was screaming RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! Roseanne, and Stormy Daniels, how long were they talking about the crisis in Puerto Rico? Barely an hour!

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/1/17417180/puerto-rico-media-ignored-chart
https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2018/05/30/study-finds-5000-people-may-have-died-hurricane-maria-puerto-rico-cable-news-focused-roseanne/220335

Believe me, I already know all too well that the government, not just the media ignored Puerto Rico, I actually went there to help and encountered more barriers and corruption than I knew what to do with. I posted quite a bit on that already here.

The media is ignoring it because many Americans do not view Puerto Rico as part of the US and they are not concerned with it. American apathy is the issue there and yes, it is disgusting. I have probably discussed this more than most here however.
I am not aware of any smoking guns that went nowhere as of yet.

The Trump tower meeting between Trump Jr and some Russian lawyer who met because the Russian lawyer offered to give dirt on Hilary Clinton, many people thought that was the piece of evidence that proved Collusion, which didn't turn out to be.

The American news media is freaking embarrassing, that's what they are.

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