Fox & Friends host accidentally calls Trump-Kim summit a "meeting between the two dictators"

A refreshing moment of truth, I believe.

I know, I know. It's a gaffe with very little discussion value. But I'm laughing my goddamn ass off, and it wasn't fair for me not to share.

Geez, TESVI officially announced and this? I can only handle so much.

That's Abby Huntsman who is the daughter of Jon Huntsman, a republican who once served under Barack Obama as ambassador to Russia. He was actually the only decent republicans running for president in 2012. So it's no surprise Abby Huntsman makes much more sense then your typical Fox host. And she's right anyway. Trump would very much love to be a dictactor, his constant attacks on the news media is very much authoritarian. He's a right wing snow flake basically.

Tee and indeed hee!

*Sigh*

These brief respites.

So now even the word dictator will possibly become hollowed out.

The political polarization pushing people towards either extreme must stop.
At least the right wing has an official limit. The left wing has no such limit imposed upon itself at all.
Ask yourself?s where the right wing limit is, then do the same for the left.

Kim is an out and out dictator. No ifs and buts about it.
Republically elected President Donald Trump is not a dictator.

That said..Somewhat funny, but an obvious misstep.
Have they issued a retraction or apology yet?

Why am I not surprised that Scaramucci is now a pundit on Fox News?

Blood Brain Barrier:
Why am I not surprised that Scaramucci is now a pundit on Fox News?

And that they are putting people from Fox news into the white house? Trump fired all the scientists and economists and is just bringing in Fox news commentators now to fill his cabinet. Who needs qualified people to advise the president when you can just bring in Fox news Commentators to advise on national security and the economy?

For Example: John Bolton ( national security adviser), Heather Nauert ( state department), KT Mcfarland (National Security Council), Mercedes Schlapp ( Strategic communications)...

For Trump it is all about putting on a show but no one has to have real qualifications. hell his economics adviser is not a real economist, he just plays one on TV..
https://www.thenation.com/article/larry-kudlow-isnt-an-economist-but-he-plays-one-on-tv/

Trump's inauguration cake was not the only think that was faked here.

I just woke up from a coma and... Donald Trump is president?

Time to go back, I think.

Vendor-Lazarus:
So now even the word dictator will possibly become hollowed out.

The political polarization pushing people towards either extreme must stop.
At least the right wing has an official limit. The left wing has no such limit imposed upon itself at all.
Ask yourself?s where the right wing limit is, then do the same for the left.

Kim is an out and out dictator. No ifs and buts about it.
Republically elected President Donald Trump is not a dictator.

That said..Somewhat funny, but an obvious misstep.
Have they issued a retraction or apology yet?

You know Putin was voted in too, right?

And to go full Godwin on this, so did Hitler. Now, Hitler did then pass the Enabling Act a few weeks later, but he needed support because he didn't control the majority of the Reichstag. Obviously, he couldn't get that from his Socialists and Communist opponents, him being the opposite of Socialists. So he got his Capitalist allies to give him dictatorial powers, because the last few years had been so tumultuous and bad for business. The idiots then realised their folly when Hitler banned all other parties.

Now you might say, that's a strange anecdote. Why did I bring that up? The German Right, at that time, were so worried about Socialism, that they didn't see the dictator manipulating them into giving him powers. The same can be said when the Russian Left, so oppressed by the Tsar, didn't realise they were backing a totalitarian. Despite many communists trying to throw Lenin out of the party for over a decade before the revolution because they could see what a danger he was.

Even if I pretend that the Right has a limit (not from what I've seen), that's irrelevant. Being so worried about an enemy will stop you from seeing the actual enemy from within. I don't know which side it will actually come from, but some people have a vested interest in keep the side fighting, while they manipulate from behind the scenes.

Do I see Trump as going full Dictator? No, he's simply not smart enough for that.

Also, if your going to worry about polarising people, how about you start with not attacking a whole group of people? Also, don't expect the groups to be the same. The Left cares about getting away from oppression, the Right cares about getting away from chaos and barbarism. The Left cares about being free, the Right cares about following traditions, because they have worked previously. The Left sees some of these traditions as restrictive and oppressive and criticise accordingly. The Left care about equality and tolerance. The Right does not. Criticising the Right for not being tolerant is irrelevant. That's not their limit. If you want a place a limit on the Left, great. But you need to place the Left's self imposed limits on the Right.

Vendor-Lazarus:
So now even the word dictator will possibly become hollowed out.

The political polarization pushing people towards either extreme must stop.
At least the right wing has an official limit. The left wing has no such limit imposed upon itself at all.

Yes, let's have a think about those right-wing limits.

Or how about where they call left wingers "traitors", "un-American", people who hate and want to destroy the country?

Let's cherish those right-wing limits - they're so decent, reasonable and respectable.

Vendor-Lazarus:
So now even the word dictator will possibly become hollowed out.

The political polarization pushing people towards either extreme must stop.
At least the right wing has an official limit. The left wing has no such limit imposed upon itself at all.
Ask yourself?s where the right wing limit is, then do the same for the left.

Kim is an out and out dictator. No ifs and buts about it.
Republically elected President Donald Trump is not a dictator.

That said..Somewhat funny, but an obvious misstep.
Have they issued a retraction or apology yet?

Literally called Obama the founder of ISIS dude.

Vendor-Lazarus:
So now even the word dictator will possibly become hollowed out.

The political polarization pushing people towards either extreme must stop.
At least the right wing has an official limit. The left wing has no such limit imposed upon itself at all.
Ask yourself?s where the right wing limit is, then do the same for the left.

Kim is an out and out dictator. No ifs and buts about it.
Republically elected President Donald Trump is not a dictator.

No-one here said that he was a dictator. Except for Fox News.

Vendor-Lazarus:
That said..Somewhat funny, but an obvious misstep.
Have they issued a retraction or apology yet?

The host figured out what she'd said by the end of the segment and clarified that she didn't mean to say Trump was a dictator. Obvious goof is obvious.

Me, I think it was a Freudian slip. Fox & Friends is practically a daily salad-tossing competition done for Trump's benefit. I'm amazed they can keep it up without pulling a muscle in their tongue or something.

No, please Fox, tell us what you really think XD

Agema:

Vendor-Lazarus:
So now even the word dictator will possibly become hollowed out.

The political polarization pushing people towards either extreme must stop.
At least the right wing has an official limit. The left wing has no such limit imposed upon itself at all.

Yes, let's have a think about those right-wing limits.

Or how about where they call left wingers "traitors", "un-American", people who hate and want to destroy the country?

Let's cherish those right-wing limits - they're so decent, reasonable and respectable.

You forgot the bit where Trump and a good chunk of the GOP seem to believe that Obama wasn't a US citizen and kept insisting his Birth Certificate was a fake.

Oh, and also a dirty Muslim trying to impose Sharia law on the US.

Dalisclock:

Agema:

Vendor-Lazarus:
So now even the word dictator will possibly become hollowed out.

The political polarization pushing people towards either extreme must stop.
At least the right wing has an official limit. The left wing has no such limit imposed upon itself at all.

Yes, let's have a think about those right-wing limits.

Or how about where they call left wingers "traitors", "un-American", people who hate and want to destroy the country?

Let's cherish those right-wing limits - they're so decent, reasonable and respectable.

You forgot the bit where Trump and a good chunk of the GOP seem to believe that Obama wasn't a US citizen and kept insisting his Birth Certificate was a fake.

Oh, and also a dirty Muslim trying to impose Sharia law on the US.

...and a gay prostitute crackhead.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/04/a-texan-who-called-obama-a-gay-prostitute-may-soon-control-what-goes-in-childrens-textbooks/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e37bfe0d1e0f
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/08/barack-obama-gay-hustler-_n_4242447.html
https://blogs4brownback.wordpress.com/2008/02/22/barack-obama-is-a-homosexual-crackhead/

Yes, Being in Texas myself, I heard people saying this nonsense in person quite a bit. They say these things openly when you are out shopping around town.

Another example of the Right and its limits

In summary, a journalist, who has epilepsy, is critical of Trump during the election. A person from the Right is so unhappy that he send a strobe light GIF through Twitter, which incapapitates the journo for days.

Is that the limit?

Vendor-Lazarus:

The political polarization pushing people towards either extreme must stop.
At least the right wing has an official limit. The left wing has no such limit imposed upon itself at all.
Ask yourself?s where the right wing limit is, then do the same for the left.

This is like punching someone while yelling that violence is wrong.

Saelune:
video

I love that clip for one reason. My wife is super "politically correct" (as they'd say), yet she has her blind spot: and that happens to be the Dutch.

Agema:

Saelune:
video

I love that clip for one reason. My wife is super "politically correct" (as they'd say), yet she has her blind spot: and that happens to be the Dutch.

Hey! I take offense to that!

bluegate:
Hey! I take offense to that!

Although if you really want to know offensiveness, you should listen to her sound off about the Dutch.

Don't worry about me though, I'm fine with the Dutch. I like the chocolate, Abbey beers and loved Tintin as a child[1].

[1] Joke!

Agema:

bluegate:
Hey! I take offense to that!

Although if you really want to know offensiveness, you should listen to her sound off about the Dutch.

Don't worry about me though, I'm fine with the Dutch. I like the chocolate, Abbey beers and loved Tintin as a child[1].

image

[1] Joke!

trunkage:
Another example of the Right and its limits

In summary, a journalist, who has epilepsy, is critical of Trump during the election. A person from the Right is so unhappy that he send a strobe light GIF through Twitter, which incapapitates the journo for days.

Is that the limit?

Are you talking about Kurt? The almost insane guy with no credibility anymore. Go watch his interviews with Carlson or even his recent drama with Diversity & Comics on youtube and come back. He's so full of shit it's scary.

Whitbane:

trunkage:
Another example of the Right and its limits

In summary, a journalist, who has epilepsy, is critical of Trump during the election. A person from the Right is so unhappy that he send a strobe light GIF through Twitter, which incapapitates the journo for days.

Is that the limit?

Are you talking about Kurt? The almost insane guy with no credibility anymore. Go watch his interviews with Carlson or even his recent drama with Diversity & Comics on youtube and come back. He's so full of shit it's scary.

Yeah, I dont know who the people are. It was a comment on not sending people into epileptic fits, just becuase you dont like them. I thought the victim wasw an journalist currently for Vanity Fair. I dont know if they are related. I just know he was critical of Trump and that was why he was attacked. The perpetrator specifically said this in the message.

It was a response to Vendor's claim that the Right has a limit. I can see both sides are bad and will provide proof of their shenanigans when the argument becomes "my side does nothing wrong"

trunkage:

It was a response to Vendor's claim that the Right has a limit. I can see both sides are bad and will provide proof of their shenanigans when the argument becomes "my side does nothing wrong"

The Right has a limit that most people would agree is bad. When they turn Neo-nazi (actual racist and nazi, not the hollowed out word of today), fascist or Corporatist. That limit has moved further towards the center in these days of misused words.

What limit does the left have? When has the left gone too far?

Vendor-Lazarus:
What limit does the left have? When has the left gone too far?

How many people do you know stick up for things like forced collectivisation in the USSR or Mao's Cultural Revolution?

To all intents and purposes, the limit for the left is the same as the limit for the right. Ultimately, the same sort of point they start abusing the populace and using excessive force and disregard of basic rights to compel narrow ideological visions.

I mean, I get lots of people don't like things such as "hate speech", but there is absolutely no reasonable proportionate comparison between that and chucking political opponents into concentration camps (/gulags), lynching people with darker cooloured skin or killing millions of your own population with a fucked-up agricultural reform.

Vendor-Lazarus:
So now even the word dictator will possibly become hollowed out.

The political polarization pushing people towards either extreme must stop.
At least the right wing has an official limit. The left wing has no such limit imposed upon itself at all.
Ask yourself?s where the right wing limit is, then do the same for the left.

Kim is an out and out dictator. No ifs and buts about it.
Republically elected President Donald Trump is not a dictator.

That said..Somewhat funny, but an obvious misstep.
Have they issued a retraction or apology yet?

Exactly. I mean, Trump is such an evil dictator, that his quote unquote Muslim ban...got stopped by a judge. It's almost like there's a separation of powers or something. Huh...I think he doesn't actually deserve the title of dictator, irrespective of whether or not he actually wants to be one.

RikuoAmero:

Vendor-Lazarus:
So now even the word dictator will possibly become hollowed out.

The political polarization pushing people towards either extreme must stop.
At least the right wing has an official limit. The left wing has no such limit imposed upon itself at all.
Ask yourself?s where the right wing limit is, then do the same for the left.

Kim is an out and out dictator. No ifs and buts about it.
Republically elected President Donald Trump is not a dictator.

That said..Somewhat funny, but an obvious misstep.
Have they issued a retraction or apology yet?

Exactly. I mean, Trump is such an evil dictator, that his quote unquote Muslim ban...got stopped by a judge. It's almost like there's a separation of powers or something. Huh...I think he doesn't actually deserve the title of dictator, irrespective of whether or not he actually wants to be one.

Yeah, I mean it's not like he's trying to stick thousands of migrant children in camps or anything and is having children torn away from their parents to spite undocumented immigrants.

Oh wait...

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article213026379.html

Vendor-Lazarus:

trunkage:

It was a response to Vendor's claim that the Right has a limit. I can see both sides are bad and will provide proof of their shenanigans when the argument becomes "my side does nothing wrong"

The Right has a limit that most people would agree is bad. When they turn Neo-nazi (actual racist and nazi, not the hollowed out word of today), fascist or Corporatist. That limit has moved further towards the center in these days of misused words.

What limit does the left have? When has the left gone too far?

Firstly, Corporatists is definitely bipartisan, although some people would just call it Capitalists becuase people keep getting told that the society we have is Capitalists (which is vaguely true but we are also vaguely socialist at the same time. So we're not really Capitalist but it muddles people up.)

I thought the terms like communist, socialist, SJW and cultural Marxist were the line. That's what I keep getting told. But it has the same problem as you point out - it been hollowed out. Any thing about even how women gets treated at work it called cultural Maxeist or SJW. Compare how previous governments used to give out free education to none today - you get called a communist. Talk about health care? Clearly your a socialist.

Me personally, the line is treatening kill someone or suggesting to someone to kill themselves. Hate speech stuff is negotiable IMO, but it's bipartisan. So that means racists and bigot as a pejorative term is out, along with all the racial slurs etc. For clarity, I mean you could say an idea is racist, but not the person. It still might not help as people get offended at ideas being criticised, but it's my line so I get to draw it where I like.

But if your looking for a specific term. No there probably isn't one. That's not how limits work. It might be more defined. Go have a look at the MovieBob thread. Plenty of Lefties from his 'own side' are criticising him for his shenanigans

RikuoAmero:
Exactly. I mean, Trump is such an evil dictator, that his quote unquote Muslim ban...got stopped by a judge. It's almost like there's a separation of powers or something. Huh...I think he doesn't actually deserve the title of dictator, irrespective of whether or not he actually wants to be one.

The fact that he failed to implement a dictatorial policy does not make the man less dictatorial. It just makes him too incompetent to actually succeed - which is heartening, in a weird way.

It's inaccurate to call Trump a "dictator" because he hasn't yet started arresting senators, packing courts, or purging law enforcement. But Trump would 100% do those things if he thought he could get away with it. He's not a dictator, but he's certainly dictatorial.

Vendor-Lazarus:
The Right has a limit that most people would agree is bad. When they turn Neo-nazi (actual racist and nazi, not the hollowed out word of today), fascist or Corporatist. That limit has moved further towards the center in these days of misused words.

What limit does the left have? When has the left gone too far?

Insofar as "right" and "left" can be packaged into coherent political groups, I would say that the limit is somewhere well beneath the kind of public shaming/virtue signalling that results in two guys being fired for chuckling at the word "dongle" or a burrito stand being forced to close because its proprietors went to Mexico to learn how to make burritos. Or a guy being publicly lambasted on-camera for referring to himself as "Hugh Mungus." Or a guy saying that Borderlands 2 was racist because a character made frequent use of the term "badonkadonk," which is apparently reserved for black people.

Now, at one time, I thought the left-wing had a problem brewing in its ranks, where a combination of social media anonymity and a crusader mentality were creating scenarios where relatively innocent people were being hauled into the metaphorical pillory. Maybe that problem still exists...but I can't get too worked up about it anymore. It just doesn't seem such a big deal now that the other guys have elected a President who is basically just the worst. I mean, the worst possible President. He's all the scum that develops at the bottom of the drain after you've washed away the leftovers of a hearty meal of 4chan infographics, Fox News pundits, and anonymous Reddit racism.

Like, before 2016, the left-wing had this problem with vocal idiots doing dumb shit, and it was like a glaring red pimple on their cheek. You would walk up to the Left and say "hey, buddy, that pimple is like the size of a thumbnail, you should get that looked at." And he'd just shrug and say "tell that to the guy in the #MAGA hat," and you'd look over at the Right and see that his entire fucking nose is missing.

That's the comparative scale, here. Like, both sides have their firebrands and their idiots and their narcissists and liars and scumbags. But the modern Republican Party is essentially just a pack of idiots being led by lying scumbags. It's so bad that we don't even expect Republicans to tell the truth anymore. You write a headline that's like, "Donald Trump told a lie!" and everyone's like "yeah, he does that seven times a day and four times before breakfast."

RikuoAmero:
Exactly. I mean, Trump is such an evil dictator...

Is it really a good defence of Trump that the only reason he hasn't carried out authoritarian measures is because the system is set up to stop such people? It seems a bit like saying attempting murder is no big deal as long as a cop stops it.

bastardofmelbourne:

RikuoAmero:
Exactly. I mean, Trump is such an evil dictator, that his quote unquote Muslim ban...got stopped by a judge. It's almost like there's a separation of powers or something. Huh...I think he doesn't actually deserve the title of dictator, irrespective of whether or not he actually wants to be one.

The fact that he failed to implement a dictatorial policy does not make the man less dictatorial. It just makes him too incompetent to actually succeed - which is heartening, in a weird way.

It's inaccurate to call Trump a "dictator" because he hasn't yet started arresting senators, packing courts, or purging law enforcement. But Trump would 100% do those things if he thought he could get away with it. He's not a dictator, but he's certainly dictatorial.

He literally fires anyone he can that he does not like.

As already stated, the ONLY, literally ONLY reason Trump is not a dictator is because of outside forces stopping him...for now.

We should not wait for him to go full Hitler before we stop him. The world already made that mistake with Hitler. Hitler did not become what he did over one night, but many nights, many violent, fascis nights of eroding rights and laws until he had absolute power, scapegoating innocent people, purging dissent, rounding people up.

Ya know, things Trump HAS AND IS DOING.

Even I am actually surprised by how similar to Hitler Trump has gone. And Republicans just let him.

Dont worry, next evil piece of garbage, I probably will make fewer Hitler comparisons. Cause I will instead be making Trump comparisons. Lets call it Saelune's Law, eh?

One thing our political system hasn't stopped is ICE, which is basically the United States version of the Allgemeine SS. Its many evils have seemed more salient during the Trump years; naturally, it was started by (W) Bush and continued vigorously under Obama.

WolvDragon:
That's Abby Huntsman who is the daughter of Jon Huntsman, a republican who once served under Barack Obama as ambassador to Russia. He was actually the only decent republicans running for president in 2012. So it's no surprise Abby Huntsman makes much more sense then your typical Fox host. And she's right anyway. Trump would very much love to be a dictactor, his constant attacks on the news media is very much authoritarian. He's a right wing snow flake basically.

After 2012 I was thinking that maybe Huntsman would be able to be the contender in 2016 and might have an actual shoot at the presidency. In 2012 he was actually the only potential candidate that the Obama team was taking seriously. I wouldn't say I was looking forward to that, but I think he would have made a decent president (might have even knocked some sense into the republican).

Sigh.. we got the orange Cheetos instead.

 

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