Count Dankula is now a member/supporter of UKIP.

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Saelune:
Stalin started WW2 as Hitler's ally though.

Ally of convenience.

Stalin could barely see a difference between Hitler and the rest of the West: they were all capitalists to him. He envisaged Hitler to be the start of the capitalist West tearing itself asunder and then Communism (led by the USSR, naturally) would take over everywhere. Hitler was against everyone, it's just that France was the most immediate threat and wanted a secure border in the east.

Although utterly ideologically opposed, both thought they were outmanoeuvering the other to achieve long term victory.

Saelune:

Hades:

Saelune:
People just think communism is the opposite of Nazis cause of all the 'Im not a Nazi yet I support them' people constantly bitch about communism.

And because of the extremely bad relation between the Nazi's and the communists. Hitler feared and despised Communism, locked German communists in camps and later invaded the Soviet Union. You could argue the Soviets were much more Hitlers ideological enemies than the Western powers and an obsession equal with his obsession with the jews.

Stalin started WW2 as Hitler's ally though.

Yes and both were under the correct assumption that they would turn on each other eventually.

Hades:

Saelune:

Hades:

And because of the extremely bad relation between the Nazi's and the communists. Hitler feared and despised Communism, locked German communists in camps and later invaded the Soviet Union. You could argue the Soviets were much more Hitlers ideological enemies than the Western powers and an obsession equal with his obsession with the jews.

Stalin started WW2 as Hitler's ally though.

Yes and both were under the correct assumption that they would turn on each other eventually.

That's an understatement, while Stalin would have loved to have been in a genuine alliance with Germany, and he wasn't the smartest amongst world leaders at the time, he didn't trust Hitler and the Soviet plan for invading Germany and their allies was set to launch in 1943. He didn't wait 3 minutes to answer the phone when he was informed about the invasion for nothing, he knew what the news was.

Agema:
Stalin could barely see a difference between Hitler and the rest of the West: they were all capitalists to him.

I think he saw Hitler the same way he saw all the other offshoots of socialism and Marxism that where not his own, a threat to his system that had to eventually be dealt with one way or another. I don't think he would be so ignorant about how Germany was running things at the time to conflate them with a capitalist nation, that's more a post war western communist thing rather then an eastern communist thing.

Zontar:
I think...

Oh do you now.

...he saw Hitler the same way he saw all the other offshoots of socialism and Marxism that where not his own, a threat to his system that had to eventually be dealt with one way or another. I don't think he would be so ignorant about how Germany was running things at the time to conflate them with a capitalist nation, that's more a post war western communist thing rather then an eastern communist thing.

According to Communist writings, having observed the rise of socialism in the early 20th century, the bourgeois and capitalist class attempted to maintain control and pacify the workers by a few worker-friendly policies, thus forestalling the Marxist revolution. Fascism was a variant process of this, and thus a capitalist and anti-socialist movement.

As for the notion the Nazis were socialists, I know you don't give a damn because you're interested in peddling ideological bullshit rather than reality, but I'll just outsource the answer to Snopes. I fear you will ignore it and carry on repeating the same lies, but hopefully someone else might learn.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

Saelune:

Nedoras:

Fieldy409:
Who TF is Count Dankula?

Someone who doesn't even remotely matter. He's just another example of an edgy dumb ass on the internet basing their politics off of memes and spite.

But like I said, it's not like this even remotely matters. No really...why the hell is this thread six pages long?

The main argument has been what counts as supporting something, cause some people apparently believe that joining an organization does not mean you actually support it.

Well no, not everyone that belongs to a group is monolithic. They're not gonna support an organization's goals or platform 100 percent.

WolvDragon:

Saelune:

Nedoras:

Someone who doesn't even remotely matter. He's just another example of an edgy dumb ass on the internet basing their politics off of memes and spite.

But like I said, it's not like this even remotely matters. No really...why the hell is this thread six pages long?

The main argument has been what counts as supporting something, cause some people apparently believe that joining an organization does not mean you actually support it.

Well no, not everyone that belongs to a group is monolithic. They're not gonna support an organization's goals or platform 100 percent.

When you vote for that thing to be in power, you are 100% supporting what it intends to do with that power.

Saelune:

WolvDragon:

Saelune:
The main argument has been what counts as supporting something, cause some people apparently believe that joining an organization does not mean you actually support it.

Well no, not everyone that belongs to a group is monolithic. They're not gonna support an organization's goals or platform 100 percent.

When you vote for that thing to be in power, you are 100% supporting what it intends to do with that power.

Not really no and we had this debate before. I'm not gonna repeat myself again because it's just too tedious.

WolvDragon:

Saelune:

WolvDragon:

Well no, not everyone that belongs to a group is monolithic. They're not gonna support an organization's goals or platform 100 percent.

When you vote for that thing to be in power, you are 100% supporting what it intends to do with that power.

Not really no and we had this debate before. I'm not gonna repeat myself again because it's just too tedious.

That's how voting for something works. Not liking that wont change that.

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