America threatens Ecuador over breastmilk

Yeah, so the short of it is that apparently Ecuador sponsored a resolution in the UN to encourage breast feeding and limit formula since breast milk is the healthiest option for babies. America decided to back the formula makers and tried to water down the resolution and when that didn't work they threatened Ecuador with "punishing trade measures and withdraw crucial military aid." Ecuador backed down then things got weirder. Russia reintroduced the resolution. This time America didn't threaten, it still tried to waterdown the resolution and did get language removed that called on the W.H.O. to provide technical support to member states seeking to halt "inappropriate promotion of foods for infants and young children."

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/08/health/world-health-breastfeeding-ecuador-trump.html

America: we want the whole world to kiss our ass and we don't care who we bully in order to make it happen.

So America backed down when Russia said to?

*makes whip noise*

At least Trump is doing the right thing here.

erttheking:
America: we want the whole world to kiss our ass and we don?t care who we bully in order to make it happen.

So America is literally every superpower that ever existed? It's almost like it's a superpower or something.

Zontar:

erttheking:
America: we want the whole world to kiss our ass and we don?t care who we bully in order to make it happen.

So America is literally every superpower that ever existed? It's almost like it's a superpower or something.

I'm sorry, are you trying to make a point here? It sounds like you're trying to lower standards by shrugging and saying it's to be expected when something like this happens. Kind of implying we shouldn't bother criticizing it.

WolvDragon:
At least Trump is doing the right thing here.

I believe the issue is that some powered milk advertising that it's better than breast milk. Despite studies.

Trump says that it got to do with making sure there isn't a stigmatisation of powered milk. Which is good. But the point wasn't to get rid of formula, but to makes sure it wasn't making claims it didn't deserve.

It's like the companies that falsely claim about abortion. There are dangers but some claims are outright false to give the illusion that abortion is the worst outcome.

trunkage:
Trump says that it got to do with making sure there isn't a stigmatisation of powered milk. Which is good. But the point wasn't to get rid of formula, but to makes sure it wasn't making claims it didn't deserve.

The thing is, there are problems with powdered milk because you have to add water to it. In developed countries, this isn't a problem, the water we drink is very clean. Developing countries, however, may not have the same water treatment infrastructure and therefore the water may pose a risk to babies, who have very weak immune systems. And this is without factoring in the risk of contamination of the milk itself, which has happened.

It's a complex issue, and the stigmatization doesn't work one way. For example, supporters of powdered milk often claim that breastmilk doesn't guaruntee sufficient nutrition to babies and can thus lead to malnourishment and health problems, despite the fact that this is only true in a tiny minority of cases and correlates closely with health problems in mothers, particularly malnutrition, which are not necessarily solved by formula (formula, after all, costs money and thus takes away from household food budgets).

The difference, of course, is that powdered milk is produced and sold by companies which make a lot of money doing it and spend a lot of money lobbying. That's why people are sceptical. Noone financially benefits from promoting breastfeeding or stigmatizing powdered milk, they might be wrong, but there's no real chance they're malicious. Plenty of people benefit from the reverse, and therefore there's an incentive to act dishonestly.

Put it this way.. which do you think Trump cares about more. Companies making a profit, or babies getting sick from drinking contaminated water.

WolvDragon:
At least Trump is doing the right thing here.

How? And in what universe is Trump threatening another nation over something so frivolous and only sorta backing off once Russia agrees "the right thing"???

Dr. Thrax:

WolvDragon:
At least Trump is doing the right thing here.

How? And in what universe is Trump threatening another nation over something so frivolous and only sorta backing off once Russia agrees "the right thing"???

That was sarcasm my friend.

Ah, yes. This thing. It certainly was...a thing.

My take: Donald Trump just thinks breastfeeding is super gross. Babies should be fed from safe, clean, sterilised plastic nipples, not from the hideous fleshy funbags of a lactating female.

After all - breasts are for molesting, not for feeding.

evilthecat:

trunkage:
Trump says that it got to do with making sure there isn't a stigmatisation of powered milk. Which is good. But the point wasn't to get rid of formula, but to makes sure it wasn't making claims it didn't deserve.

The thing is, there are problems with powdered milk because you have to add water to it. In developed countries, this isn't a problem, the water we drink is very clean. Developing countries, however, may not have the same water treatment infrastructure and therefore the water may pose a risk to babies, who have very weak immune systems. And this is without factoring in the risk of contamination of the milk itself, which has happened.

It's a complex issue, and the stigmatization doesn't work one way. For example, supporters of powdered milk often claim that breastmilk doesn't guaruntee sufficient nutrition to babies and can thus lead to malnourishment and health problems, despite the fact that this is only true in a tiny minority of cases and correlates closely with health problems in mothers, particularly malnutrition, which are not necessarily solved by formula (formula, after all, costs money and thus takes away from household food budgets).

The difference, of course, is that powdered milk is produced and sold by companies which make a lot of money doing it and spend a lot of money lobbying. That's why people are sceptical. Noone financially benefits from promoting breastfeeding or stigmatizing powdered milk, they might be wrong, but there's no real chance they're malicious. Plenty of people benefit from the reverse, and therefore there's an incentive to act dishonestly.

Put it this way.. which do you think Trump cares about more. Companies making a profit, or babies getting sick from drinking contaminated water.

Also, take into account the crisis in China at the moment with formula. I.e. don't have Chinese formula. In my country, there is a limit to the number of tins of formula you can buy at once, as Chinese people were buying literally racks of them at shopping centres and sending them home. It used to be a limit of 5, and was currently at 2.

Yeah, I'd say Trump response is more to do with supporting corporations than anything else.

 

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