Does something need to be done about Fox News?

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bastardofmelbourne:
I'm not sure what one would do about it. I mean, instituting some kind of federal law that requires news stations to be nonpartisan would very rapidly be abused by whichever party was in charge of appointing the head of whatever agency was created to enforce that law.

The only real solution is for Fox News to become unprofitable. Sadly, it is not unprofitable. It is extremely profitable. This is because its viewers are heavily opinionated, insufficiently discerning, and highly insulated against contradictory political opinions.

Short of Fox's owners themselves having a sudden change of heart or the reveal of some massive News of the World type scandal, there's nothing to be done. You just gotta...keep fact-checking. Always. Endlessly. Forever. ABC (Always Be Checkin').

Zontar:
What is it about Fox that makes it get singled out for doing what everyone else does?

There's no right-wing version of the New York Times to balance it out, is why.

All cable news essentially sucks ass. MSNBC, Fox, CNN - whatever. It's all garbage. But there's no equivalent to the NYT in the right-wing media sphere. There's no paper of record. The NYT certainly leans in a certain way, but they take journalistic ethics very seriously - their reputation is literally all that distinguishes them from any other news site in the Internet era. If they started acting like Buzzfeed, they would...have the same reputation Buzzfeed does.

Even Fox News talking-man Tucker Carlson once acknowledged the need for a fact-based conservative paper of record to serve as a countersource to the NYT for conservative news readers. The problem is that all the possible candidates - the Wall Street Journal is the only one that pops to mind - are, well, owned by Rupert Murdoch, who also owns Fox News and who is certainly not shy about pressuring editors to run certain stories that he finds politically advantageous.

I would read a conservative version of the NYT. Just to get a perspective. But the while the left-wing media sphere certainly has its share of hysterical doomsayers, political operatives and shameless pundits, the problem with the right-wing is that this is all that they have. Most Republicans get their news from Fox News and even then, they don't get it from Fox's actual news shows - they get it from pundits like Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Jeanine Pirro and (sadly) Tucker Carlson, whose shows are more properly characterised as political entertainment - more like the Late Show than actual news.

NYT, and the rest of the msm that isn't Fox or other known conservative outlets aren't left-leaning. They're pro-establishment and are centrist at best. You won't hear a majority of these establishment journalists, pundits and anchors on cnn, msnbc, abc, cbs advocating for a living wage, single payer, free college etc. These people didn't give proper air time to Bernie Sander's campaign when he needed it. But gave Trump all the time he wanted and needed.

The liberal media is a myth.

WolvDragon:
NYT, and the rest of the msm that isn't Fox or other known conservative outlets aren't left-leaning. They're pro-establishment and are centrist at best. You won't hear a majority of these establishment journalists, pundits and anchors on cnn, msnbc, abc, cbs advocating for a living wage, single payer, free college etc. These people didn't give proper air time to Bernie Sander's campaign when he needed it. But gave Trump all the time he wanted and needed.

The liberal media is a myth.

Left/right leanings are relative. The NYT is a publication that certainly appears very centrist or even conservative to far-left voters, but to a conservative living in the days of the Trump GOP it may as well be Pravda.

The NYT gets an unfair rap, in my opinion, as the spit-roasted recipient of both conservative attacks on the media and for liberal concerns over giving conservative voices a "platform." The first is prompted largely by the fact that the NYT gives a shit about accuracy, citation, and the appearance of nonpartisanship, which means it automatically runs counter to the goals of Fox News. The second is more complicated, and has to do with the perennial struggle within the political left between the revolutionary reformists who want as much change as possible as soon as possible, and the incremental reformists who want smaller, less ambitious changes.

For example, the revolutionaries see the hiring of Bret Stephens - a climate skeptic - as unacceptable, and see giving him a platform as implicit acceptance of climate change skepticism or denial. (I'm not a fan of Stephens myself.) The incrementalists think it's enough that he's a Never-Trump conservative, and hope that giving him a platform will sway other conservatives who see his hiring as a good-faith act of nonpartisanship. I can't make a convincing endorsement either way; I think nonpartisan reporting is vital and that the first concern should always be a journalist's qualifications, but Bret Stephens' particular brand of "just asking questions" climate skepticism grates on me.

But yes, it's overall true; the NYT is mostly nonpartisan. I only say that it leans left because in this day and age, just caring about simple shit like "accuracy," "sourcing," or "sanity" is enough to qualify. Reality, it is said, has a well-known liberal bias.

bastardofmelbourne:

WolvDragon:
NYT, and the rest of the msm that isn't Fox or other known conservative outlets aren't left-leaning. They're pro-establishment and are centrist at best. You won't hear a majority of these establishment journalists, pundits and anchors on cnn, msnbc, abc, cbs advocating for a living wage, single payer, free college etc. These people didn't give proper air time to Bernie Sander's campaign when he needed it. But gave Trump all the time he wanted and needed.

The liberal media is a myth.

Left/right leanings are relative. The NYT is a publication that certainly appears very centrist or even conservative to far-left voters, but to a conservative living in the days of the Trump GOP it may as well be Pravda.

The NYT gets an unfair rap, in my opinion, as the spit-roasted recipient of both conservative attacks on the media and for liberal concerns over giving conservative voices a "platform." The first is prompted largely by the fact that the NYT gives a shit about accuracy, citation, and the appearance of nonpartisanship, which means it automatically runs counter to the goals of Fox News. The second is more complicated, and has to do with the perennial struggle within the political left between the revolutionary reformists who want as much change as possible as soon as possible, and the incremental reformists who want smaller, less ambitious changes.

For example, the revolutionaries see the hiring of Bret Stephens - a climate skeptic - as unacceptable, and see giving him a platform as implicit acceptance of climate change skepticism or denial. (I'm not a fan of Stephens myself.) The incrementalists think it's enough that he's a Never-Trump conservative, and hope that giving him a platform will sway other conservatives who see his hiring as a good-faith act of nonpartisanship. I can't make a convincing endorsement either way; I think nonpartisan reporting is vital and that the first concern should always be a journalist's qualifications, but Bret Stephens' particular brand of "just asking questions" climate skepticism grates on me.

But yes, it's overall true; the NYT is mostly nonpartisan. I only say that it leans left because in this day and age, just caring about simple shit like "accuracy," "sourcing," or "sanity" is enough to qualify. Reality, it is said, has a well-known liberal bias.

Well true, republicans call Obama a socialist when he's really a centrist democrat. But the myth that the msm is liberal is a nisnomer. They're centrist and never had a bias for progressive policies.

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