Hurricane Maria death toll officially upped to 2,975; Trump claims he did "a fantastic job"

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So a couple days ago, the US federal government officially revised its estimate of the deaths caused by Hurricane Maria; for nearly year, the government has stuck by the official tally of 64 casualties, despite that assessment seeming increasingly optimistic as time passed. Three months ago, the pressure increased after Harvard published a study putting their estimate of the death toll at about 4,500-5,000. That eventually prompted the administration to finally begin revising its tally, which has only just now been increased to an estimated 2,975 people killed.

I am informed by reputable sources that 2,975 is a number that is significantly higher than 64.

In other words: the US government fucked up the response to Puerto Rico, lied about how many people died as a result of their fuckup, maintained the lie for months, and when finally forced to tell the truth, their lowest-we-can-get-away-with estimate was still half again as large as the death toll from Katrina over a decade earlier. For those whose memories do not reach back to the far-gone year of 2005, Katrina killed a "mere" two thousand people.

The day after this news breaks, President Trump was asked about the revised death toll, and here's his response, as per the Washington Post:

That's him saying - with a straight face - that a hurricane that killed at least three thousand people counts as "a fantastic job." An administrative failure that killed more US citizens than 9/11 qualifies as "a fantastic job."

Then he segues into blaming Puerto Rico's power infrastructure for being shitty and the hurricane for being "a tough one," because the only way he can rationalise his appalling failure is to claim that the odds were stacked against him. He can't even say "whoops!"

Now, there are a lot of areas where presidential incompetence can be mitigated - by expert counsel, bureaucracy, or hypercompetent underlings. Disaster response is not one of those areas. For one thing, it requires foresight on the part of the executive - the ability to pay attention to briefings, correctly assess the risk, and make the necessary preparations. Supplies and vehicles need to be prepared to launch beforehand; authorisations need to be given in advance. The Trump administration did not do this. What resources they had allocated to Puerto Rico's disaster response prior to the hurricane hitting on September 20th were proven to be woefully inadequate even in the estimation of the people in charge of those resources. A day before Maria hit - by which point storm's status as a Category 5 was undeniable - only two helicopters and three planes had been pre-allocated for relief efforts, with just 500 members of the National Guard called up to assist Puerto Rico. There's a goddamn zero missing from every single one of those numbers.

After a disaster has struck, it is important for the people in charge to be closely monitoring the situation to see if any changes are needed, and to be available in the event that time-sensitive decisions need to be made. The Trump administration did not do this. On the night of the Thursday after Hurricane Maria hit, the president departed to his golf club in Bedminster, where he stayed until Monday. The exception was a Friday-evening trip to Alabama for a rally in support of primary candidate Luther Strange, where the president did not mention Puerto Rico. That Sunday, the vice-president spoke with Puerto Rico's non-voting representative in the House; this was the only communication between the White House and a representative of Puerto Rico that happened all weekend. On Monday, five days after the storm made landfall, the White House finally sent FEMA officials and Marines to Puerto Rico. It took over a week after the storm hit before the president gave Puerto Rico a temporary exemption from the Jones Act, which was prohibiting the movement of emergency supplies to Puerto Rico.

The tepid nature of the administration's response stands in stark contrast to the hurricane relief efforts in Texas; within six days of Hurricane Harvey, there were seventy helicopters assigned to relief operations in Texas. It took three weeks for Puerto Rico to finally be allocated the same number of helicopters, despite the much-greater need for helicopters due to the nature of the island's geography and the devastation of its roads and highways by the storm. During this time, the president picks a Twitter fight with NBA athlete Stephen Curry, blames the mayor of San Juan for her "poor leadership," and blames the severity of the hurricane on the underfunded and ageing Puerto Rican electrical grid.

By the two-week mark after the storm's landfall, there were only 7,200 US troops deployed in Puerto Rico on recovery efforts. By comparison, just two days after the earthquake in Haiti, Obama had mobilised eight thousand troops, and 22,000 troops and 33 ships had arrived within two weeks. I want to reiterate that: President Obama sent more troops to a relief effort in Haiti - which you'll notice is not part of the US - than Trump did to Puerto Rico, and he did it faster. "America First," indeed.

The fact is that Trump has the instincts of a professional wrestler; any time he faces any kind of political obstacle, he goes and picks a fight with someone. He tries to turn everything into another chapter of the culture war. It's a brilliant tactic for managing bad press and firing up his supporters, but it is patently useless at disaster response. This is because Trump is a great showman and a fucking shitty president. He doesn't listen to expert advice or briefings, and is disdainful of people who try to inform him about things he needs to know or who dare to tell him that he is wrong about something. Access to the President is determined by either your personal friendship with him or by your ability to get booked on cable news during a specific three-to-four hour block of the day that he spends watching television. If you're in Washington and Trump's at one of his resorts for the weekend - which, for Trump, appears to start on Thursday - you can give up on getting his attention until Monday; until then, he'll only be listening to the people physically at the resort with him and to whatever's on TV.

The man is simply not qualified for the demands of the position he was elected to. This was suspected long before he took office, but Puerto Rico confirms it with devastating clarity. Having an entertaining buffoon for a president can be tolerated so long as the economy is chugging along nicely and there aren't any sudden disasters. But as soon as this administration is put in a position where decisive action and careful foresight are needed in equal quantities, it fucking implodes on itself, because the lynchpin of the whole operation is a reality TV star and billionaire who has never been more than fifteen seconds away from a Diet Coke in his entire life.

In conclusion, some numbers:

Death toll from Hurricane Katrina: 1,245 to 1,836.
Death toll from 9/11: 2,996.
Death toll from Hurricane Maria: 2,975 to 4,500.

Three thousand ... and climbing? From a hurricane hitting a First World nation?

Moreover, why the fuck has it taken this long to compile not even an accurate fatality report? Just what sort of clusterfuck of whatever equivalent of their Director General for Natural Disasters Organization do they have? That is abysmal. If they can't even process disaster evaluation reports, what hopes are there for analysts to examine, process, and thinktank over future possible events?

That alone should speak volumes of actual preparedness. That they can't even be bothered.

It's not just Trump that is grossly unqualified here. They should drag in whatever disaster management heads they have, have them publicly flogged, and immediately replaced.

It's almost been a year. Why the hell are we getting estimates from fucking Harvard? There should be a cold, hard number by now. Counting corpses and missing persons reports around the same time (presumed dead, obviously) is easy.

Are these people innumerate? Do they need calculators?

Your own citizenry, your fellow people, have died in a national tragedy. They deserve to be counted for with something better than a 50% margin of error. That's not even a fucking margin anymore. They deserve public recognition. Their names deserve to be recorded as lost souls to an event of merciless wind and rain.

There is no excuse. Do your fucking job and count them, arseholes.

The best case scenario for this is that as you say Trump is incompetant as fuck and doesn't know what he's doing.

The worst case scenario....

I mean given it's Puerto Rico, notably non white and when you consider his primary base... it could be that he's traded the dog whistle for an dog air raid siren.

Like seriously the lack of effort and the callous disregard to human loss of life on such a huge scale is really shocking, but at this point I really would expect nothing less from this administration. I'm amazed he didn't just say 'fuck puerto rico'.

Either he's too incompetant for the job or he really does just hate brown people enough that he'll put no effort into protecting them and will shrug when hearing they die. Either way he is absurdly unfit for office. It's amazing how he's become EVERYTHING PEOPLE WARNED HE WOULD BE!

I do look forward to seeing how his zealots at r/the_donald will react to the news. Either they'll declare 'fake news' or they'll say 'Hillary would have killed more people with her emails' or they'll ever so subtely hint that maybe Puerto Rico is a less than stellar country so why should we care?

And at that point I think we can just dispense with the dog whistle and just replace it with one of these:

I might add a few addition facts that are also ignored by the main land.

First: Puerto Rico is poor,dirt poor as the household medium income is only 20,000 to 28,000 dollars a year. This has lead to the island declared bankruptcy more then five times in the history of being part as a overseas territory. Tax collected per year has actually continued to drop since the 1940's leaving the territory in the red for years. 45% of the population is under the poverty line and most live on a form of government assistance.

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Puerto-Rico-poor
http://welcome.topuertorico.org/economy.shtml

Second, Jobs : There are not many jobs on the island, leaving many individuals to leave to the mainland to live and work. Works is so rare on the island that reports of a system of nepotism/corruption have been found. Where the few jobs on the island are bought or given to friends or family.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/11/09/hurricane-maria-puerto-rico-debate/850820001/

Third, Corruption: Puerto Rico also is very corrupt with the very mayor of the the island (the one that got into a word fight with Trump) being found and charged with embezzlement of relief funds. Now anyone unfamiliar might think Trump had something do with this. Except, this type of mismanagement is the norm since Kennedy. (i am not defending Trump , this is a fact)

https://nypost.com/2017/09/30/inept-puerto-rican-government-riddled-with-corruption-ceo/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/puerto-rico-mayor-two-others-arrested-on-corruption-charges/

Tax haven: because of "certain laws" passed in the 50's Puerto Rico is unable to collect taxes from corporations/wealthy. Corporations are also given a tax breaks even having just one shell in the island.

https://www.ckrlaw.com/our-voices/2018/03/09/puerto-rico-%E2%80%93-tax-haven-for-high-net-worth-americans-and-cryptocurrency-holders/

In closing , the people of Puerto Rico were not just screwed over by the Fed government and Trump. They have been screwed over by past Federal governments, their own local officials. By a Tax Haven policies created from past Democrat and Republican administrations. Trump didn't help this small island, but it was the tip of a iceberg which goes way back to the 40's-50's.

The real question is after Trumps gone will anyone give a [email protected]# about Puerto Rico?

The people who voted for him don't care about brown people so he has no motive to either.

Ok I was confused, I thought they meant they increased the death toll tally from 2964 to 2975.

Not that it literally went from 64 people dead to nearly 3000.

RobertEHouse:
snip.

In regards to corruption, the majority of our police force is in bed with Drug Gangs and larger Cartels.

The fact that there was an FBI raid where hundreds of police were arrested on corruption charges says alot about the state of police in this island.

Its things like this that makes me dread what would happen if this island becomes independent. I can only look at Venezuela and hope it would not be like that.

erttheking:
The people who voted for him don?t care about brown people so he has no motive to either.

Do these former and current governors of Puerto Rico who are ethnically Puerto Rican look like Brown People to the people that voted Trump?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Ricardo_Rossello_%28cropped%29.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Puerto_Rican_Governor_Sila_Calderon_at_the_Pentagon%2C_Feb_27%2C_2001.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/PedroRossello.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/AGP.jpg

http://politics.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/20150917-MSPP_0027-e1443629162297-682x1024.jpg

I swear though Luis Fortuno (the bottom one) looks like a total dweeb.

Samtemdo8:

erttheking:
The people who voted for him don?t care about brown people so he has no motive to either.

Do these former and current governors of Puerto Rico who are ethnically Puerto Rican look like Brown People to the people that voted Trump?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Ricardo_Rossello_%28cropped%29.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Puerto_Rican_Governor_Sila_Calderon_at_the_Pentagon%2C_Feb_27%2C_2001.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/PedroRossello.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/AGP.jpg

http://politics.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/20150917-MSPP_0027-e1443629162297-682x1024.jpg

I swear though Luis Fortuno (the bottom one) looks like a total dweeb.

No, they don't.

But the average Trump voter probably doesn't know and, again, doesn't care.

Samtemdo8:

RobertEHouse:
snip.

In regards to corruption, the majority of our police force is in bed with Drug Gangs and larger Cartels.

The fact that there was an FBI raid where hundreds of police were arrested on corruption charges says alot about the state of police in this island.

Its things like this that makes me dread what would happen if this island becomes independent. I can only look at Venezuela and hope it would not be like that.

I agree, a horrible nightmare to even imagine yet, I don't think will ever see them independent. As every vote they cast over the years show 60-70% want to join the union. Each time though the Fed keeps refusing,the Obama Admin even said no. So either it's because of the real nightmare of fixing the island. Or powerful people that want to keep their island tax haven which is keeping Puerto Rico in limbo.Whatever the reason it really is just a big corrupt sandwich happening down there.

Samtemdo8:

erttheking:
The people who voted for him don?t care about brown people so he has no motive to either.

Do these former and current governors of Puerto Rico who are ethnically Puerto Rican look like Brown People to the people that voted Trump?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Ricardo_Rossello_%28cropped%29.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Puerto_Rican_Governor_Sila_Calderon_at_the_Pentagon%2C_Feb_27%2C_2001.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/PedroRossello.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/AGP.jpg

http://politics.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/20150917-MSPP_0027-e1443629162297-682x1024.jpg

I swear though Luis Fortuno (the bottom one) looks like a total dweeb.

How come when i saw Luis's picture i was disappointed he was not wearing a red bow tie,why?

RobertEHouse:

Samtemdo8:

erttheking:
The people who voted for him don?t care about brown people so he has no motive to either.

Do these former and current governors of Puerto Rico who are ethnically Puerto Rican look like Brown People to the people that voted Trump?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Ricardo_Rossello_%28cropped%29.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Puerto_Rican_Governor_Sila_Calderon_at_the_Pentagon%2C_Feb_27%2C_2001.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/PedroRossello.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/AGP.jpg

http://politics.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/20150917-MSPP_0027-e1443629162297-682x1024.jpg

I swear though Luis Fortuno (the bottom one) looks like a total dweeb.

How come when i saw Luis's picture i was disappointed he was not wearing a red bow tie,why?

Why indeed? What is it about a Red Bow Tie that you find special?

Trump hates non-whites, so a bunch of mainly non-white people dying sounds fantastic to him.

Samtemdo8:

erttheking:
The people who voted for him don?t care about brown people so he has no motive to either.

Do these former and current governors of Puerto Rico who are ethnically Puerto Rican look like Brown People to the people that voted Trump?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Ricardo_Rossello_%28cropped%29.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Puerto_Rican_Governor_Sila_Calderon_at_the_Pentagon%2C_Feb_27%2C_2001.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/PedroRossello.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/AGP.jpg

http://politics.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/20150917-MSPP_0027-e1443629162297-682x1024.jpg

I swear though Luis Fortuno (the bottom one) looks like a total dweeb.

Suddenly I felt like I was back at Mexico...

Out of joke; once I asked something similar about Puerto Rico's white population elsewhere. The answer seemed to be that they aren't white enough. I got a similar response when I asked about Spain's white population.

Saelune:
Trump hates non-whites, so a bunch of mainly non-white people dying sounds fantastic to him.

You know I get Trump has racist policies, but did he always acted as such, even before the whole Birth Certificate incident?

Also have to confess, in all my life I only found out about Donald Trump during the whole Birth certificate scandal, prior to that he didn't even exist to me.

Although references to him in my childhood went way over my head:

https://youtu.be/6SBvqb_ZoAU?t=7m25s

Trump DID do a fantastic job.

If a hurricane rolls over a territory, that's the problem of the people in that territory. They should have stockpiled food, built themselves storm shelters and prepared the resources to repair infrastructure. It's also the fault of any individual that he or she didn't earn enough money to buy property in a place not prone to natural disaster, or have the means to secure transportation out of the danger zone. This is what being a responsible individual is all about, and if you're not responsible, you don't deserve to bailed out by a nanny state.

Thus by doing basically nothing at all, Trump did pretty much exactly what a good right-wing neoliberal president should do: let's give him the credit he deserves.

Samtemdo8:

Saelune:
Trump hates non-whites, so a bunch of mainly non-white people dying sounds fantastic to him.

You know I get Trump has racist policies, but did he always acted as such, even before the whole Birth Certificate incident?

Also have to confess, in all my life I only found out about Donald Trump during the whole Birth certificate scandal, prior to that he didn't even exist to me.

Although references to him in my childhood went way over my head:

https://youtu.be/6SBvqb_ZoAU?t=7m25s

I think he is more greedy than racist, but I have no doubt he is also racist. His racism was less of a problem for the country though when ya know, he wasn't deciding policy and law.

I don't think the situation would have been handled differently if Puerto Rico was populated by poor white people instead of poor Hispanic people.

Did not expect any less from the resident sociopath. Death rattle ramblings of an unfocused desperation.

Saelune:
I think he is more greedy than racist, but I have no doubt he is also racist. His racism was less of a problem for the country though when ya know, he wasn't deciding policy and law.

I don't excuse the man. We all know I'm an active Progressive, I don't even know why I have to quantify thing. But I am, and my fingers won't stop typing.

However.

I've been thinking about this for a bit. I don't know if he's a hateful racist. I think he's really an Old Man Racist. Those types of people who just dislike or don't know about anything because it is the other. Like "I don't know anything about video games, but someone my age said they make children into elite snipers, so I'm fearful of them".

I also do think he's playing into ACTUAL Republican Prejudice, but I think that's just a distasteful and inhuman action of a disgusting waste of dna. That's all.

ObsidianJones:

Saelune:
I think he is more greedy than racist, but I have no doubt he is also racist. His racism was less of a problem for the country though when ya know, he wasn't deciding policy and law.

I don't excuse the man. We all know I'm an active Progressive, I don't even know why I have to quantify thing. But I am, and my fingers won't stop typing.

However.

I've been thinking about this for a bit. I don't know if he's a hateful racist. I think he's really an Old Man Racist. Those types of people who just dislike or don't know about anything because it is the other. Like "I don't know anything about video games, but someone my age said they make children into elite snipers, so I'm fearful of them".

I also do think he's playing into ACTUAL Republican Prejudice, but I think that's just a distasteful and inhuman action of a disgusting waste of dna. That's all.

Actions speak louder than words, and regardless of his own hatred, he has done more damage in the name of racism than most KKK members alive today.

Its like saying 'Well, he only is guilty of 8 of the 18 things he is charged of'

I keep thinking of that one Simpsons skit where Principal Skinner invited over the Superintendent for lunch. Only Skinner is Trump, Superintendent Chalmers is the American people and the steamed hams are thousands of human rights violations.

Samtemdo8:

Saelune:
Trump hates non-whites, so a bunch of mainly non-white people dying sounds fantastic to him.

You know I get Trump has racist policies, but did he always acted as such, even before the whole Birth Certificate incident?

If I'm remembering right, Trump has long made a policy of denying any immigrants they can spot entrance into his buildings. Which is funny because he's perfectly happy to let them construct those buildings in the first place

ObsidianJones:

I've been thinking about this for a bit. I don't know if he's a hateful racist. I think he's really an Old Man Racist. Those types of people who just dislike or don't know about anything because it is the other. Like "I don't know anything about video games, but someone my age said they make children into elite snipers, so I'm fearful of them".

I don't really know. But...

1) We also know that Trump's father Fred was associated with the KKK. Obviously, we cannot assume that the beliefs of the father were adopted by the son - but it doesn't bode well for the formative attitudes a young Trump may have been brought up with.

2) Trump has an obvious and particular hatred for Obama. His strong association with the "birther" movement, however, potentially suggests that he had a specific problem with the idea of a non-white president.

3) Trump has an apparent obsession with "good genes", and their determination of winners and losers. A logical extention from this might be the concept of genetic superiority/inferiority of races.

Put all these together, and I think you have an evidential basis for something rather more sinister than common or garden "old man racism". Well short of proof, but sufficient to be of credible concern.

Saelune:
Actions speak louder than words, and regardless of his own hatred, he has done more damage in the name of racism than most KKK members alive today.

Its like saying 'Well, he only is guilty of 8 of the 18 things he is charged of'

The only reason I'll pour water on the man is a general reverence for life. I couldn't stand him before he was president. I think he's a deplorable human being, as I just said. I think he's cancerous, and the wave of apathy and hatred that uses him as a rally cry only shows the cancer is spreading.

But I don't want to heap things on him that he's not. He has plenty wrong with him, his stupidity chief among them, his pettiness coming in a close second. But I don't want to say "Oh, and he likes watching animal porn as well" when there's a lot that's absolutely wrong with him.

With his cult, we're dealing with the impractical and the unreasonable. But with those on the moderate right, who are fiscally conservative... they are having a huge backlash right now. And while they can't see beyond their own checkbooks, a lot of my conservative friends are feeling attacked. That a lot of stories are being made up about Republicans at this point.

I'm choosing my speech carefully and limiting to what I can prove (like Tariffs, Climate Change, Federal Parks, etc) because the moderate right can still be reached. But not if they feel everyone is lying about them and things associated with them.

Agema:
I don't really know. But...

1) We also know that Trump's father Fred was associated with the KKK. Obviously, we cannot assume that the beliefs of the father were adopted by the son - but it doesn't bode well for the formative attitudes a young Trump may have been brought up with.

2) Trump has an obvious and particular hatred for Obama. His strong association with the "birther" movement, however, potentially suggests that he had a specific problem with the idea of a non-white president.

3) Trump has an apparent obsession with "good genes", and their determination of winners and losers. A logical extention from this might be the concept of genetic superiority/inferiority of races.

Put all these together, and I think you have an evidential basis for something rather more sinister than common or garden "old man racism". Well short of proof, but sufficient to be of credible concern.

1.) That's well-documented. As were the cases of racial discriminatory renting practices Trump's father implemented. And quite possibly Trump saw out because his dad told him to. To be complicit is reprehensible, but not a clear sign of what is in his heart. At most, we know cowardice resides there. And that's been shown more readily than anything else.

2.) I absolutely despise Trump. I have no problem saying his faults any time I get. I make it well known that I think that he is dumb and/or actually be in the throes of dementia now. His rambling speeches have been getting really worrisome of late. I think the only thing of note he'll accomplish is rally the left and independents (as we're seeing with a new type of politician being elected... Go Progressives!).

None of this is due to his race. He's just a despicable person. Trump as a person has problems with anyone that is more powerful than him that doesn't go in line with how Trump thinks. Obama was super against him in all forms of thought, so of course a petty, slow man like Trump will have his toddler temperature tantrum and act like he does.

Trump has the same type of ire for Hillary as well, mind you.

3.) This good genes idea is actually quite common in rich people. It's how they justify the luck that was given to them. A narcissistic egomaniac like Trump would eat that crap up.

I mean, the man already won the presidency. But he holds rallies just to talk about how great he is. And people still come out to these events. Anything that will tell him he's the Golden Child prophesied By Ancient Rich Sages of Yore, he'll swallow up and ask for thirds before his seconds come to the table.

I'm not closing the door on him being a racist. His treatment of Muslims and Latinos is deplorable. But it's following through on what prejudiced and scared people have been wanting for years. While a stupid man, he at least knows well enough to give the people what they want.

He's a bad person. A disgusting, apathetic human being regardless of anything else. But I don't want to use racist unless we can prove it. Then it becomes a nothing word, something you tact on just as an adjective of someone we don't like instead of an apt descriptor of a person and their beliefs.

ObsidianJones:

Saelune:
Actions speak louder than words, and regardless of his own hatred, he has done more damage in the name of racism than most KKK members alive today.

Its like saying 'Well, he only is guilty of 8 of the 18 things he is charged of'

The only reason I'll pour water on the man is a general reverence for life. I couldn't stand him before he was president. I think he's a deplorable human being, as I just said. I think he's cancerous, and the wave of apathy and hatred that uses him as a rally cry only shows the cancer is spreading.

But I don't want to heap things on him that he's not. He has plenty wrong with him, his stupidity chief among them, his pettiness coming in a close second. But I don't want to say "Oh, and he likes watching animal porn as well" when there's a lot that's absolutely wrong with him.

With his cult, we're dealing with the impractical and the unreasonable. But with those on the moderate right, who are fiscally conservative... they are having a huge backlash right now. And while they can't see beyond their own checkbooks, a lot of my conservative friends are feeling attacked. That a lot of stories are being made up about Republicans at this point.

I'm choosing my speech carefully and limiting to what I can prove (like Tariffs, Climate Change, Federal Parks, etc) because the moderate right can still be reached. But not if they feel everyone is lying about them and things associated with them.

Agema:
I don't really know. But...

1) We also know that Trump's father Fred was associated with the KKK. Obviously, we cannot assume that the beliefs of the father were adopted by the son - but it doesn't bode well for the formative attitudes a young Trump may have been brought up with.

2) Trump has an obvious and particular hatred for Obama. His strong association with the "birther" movement, however, potentially suggests that he had a specific problem with the idea of a non-white president.

3) Trump has an apparent obsession with "good genes", and their determination of winners and losers. A logical extention from this might be the concept of genetic superiority/inferiority of races.

Put all these together, and I think you have an evidential basis for something rather more sinister than common or garden "old man racism". Well short of proof, but sufficient to be of credible concern.

1.) That's well-documented. As were the cases of racial discriminatory renting practices Trump's father implemented. And quite possibly Trump saw out because his dad told him to. To be complicit is reprehensible, but not a clear sign of what is in his heart. At most, we know cowardice resides there. And that's been shown more readily than anything else.

2.) I absolutely despise Trump. I have no problem saying his faults any time I get. I make it well known that I think that he is dumb and/or actually be in the throes of dementia now. His rambling speeches have been getting really worrisome of late. I think the only thing of note he'll accomplish is rally the left and independents (as we're seeing with a new type of politician being elected... Go Progressives!).

None of this is due to his race. He's just a despicable person. Trump as a person has problems with anyone that is more powerful than him that doesn't go in line with how Trump thinks. Obama was super against him in all forms of thought, so of course a petty, slow man like Trump will have his toddler temperature tantrum and act like he does.

Trump has the same type of ire for Hillary as well, mind you.

3.) This good genes idea is actually quite common in rich people. It's how they justify the luck that was given to them. A narcissistic egomaniac like Trump would eat that crap up.

I mean, the man already won the presidency. But he holds rallies just to talk about how great he is. And people still come out to these events. Anything that will tell him he's the Golden Child prophesied By Ancient Rich Sages of Yore, he'll swallow up and ask for thirds before his seconds come to the table.

I'm not closing the door on him being a racist. His treatment of Muslims and Latinos is deplorable. But it's following through on what prejudiced and scared people have been wanting for years. While a stupid man, he at least knows well enough to give the people what they want.

He's a bad person. A disgusting, apathetic human being regardless of anything else. But I don't want to use racist unless we can prove it. Then it becomes a nothing word, something you tact on just as an adjective of someone we don't like instead of an apt descriptor of a person and their beliefs.

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Three thousand ... and climbing? From a hurricane hitting a First World nation?

Moreover, why the fuck has it taken this long to compile not even an accurate fatality report? Just what sort of clusterfuck of whatever equivalent of their Director General for Natural Disasters Organization do they have? That is abysmal. If they can't even process disaster evaluation reports, what hopes are there for analysts to examine, process, and thinktank over future possible events?

That alone should speak volumes of actual preparedness. That they can't even be bothered.

It's not just Trump that is grossly unqualified here. They should drag in whatever disaster management heads they have, have them publicly flogged, and immediately replaced.

It's almost been a year. Why the hell are we getting estimates from fucking Harvard? There should be a cold, hard number by now. Counting corpses and missing persons reports around the same time (presumed dead, obviously) is easy.

Are these people innumerate? Do they need calculators?

Your own citizenry, your fellow people, have died in a national tragedy. They deserve to be counted for with something better than a 50% margin of error. That's not even a fucking margin anymore. They deserve public recognition. Their names deserve to be recorded as lost souls to an event of merciless wind and rain.

There is no excuse. Do your fucking job and count them, arseholes.

Idunno. This is the same country where bringing foto-ID to elections is still a major problems because many don't have any and the process for aquiring it can be rather hard. I sometimes feel like certain feats of administrative and bureaucratic competence that other governments have long perfected are still lagging in the US. Not just because of political choices but also due to a generally less competent government.

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Idunno. This is the same country where bringing foto-ID to elections is still a major problems because many don't have any and the process for aquiring it can be rather hard. I sometimes feel like certain feats of administrative and bureaucratic competence that other governments have long perfected are still lagging in the US. Not just because of political choices but also due to a generally less competent government.

Photo ID for elections is a bad example, it's not accidental that there's a problem there.

Thaluikhain:

Pseudonym:
Idunno. This is the same country where bringing foto-ID to elections is still a major problems because many don't have any and the process for aquiring it can be rather hard. I sometimes feel like certain feats of administrative and bureaucratic competence that other governments have long perfected are still lagging in the US. Not just because of political choices but also due to a generally less competent government.

Photo ID for elections is a bad example, it's not accidental that there's a problem there.

Not entirely accidental but where I live everyone has ID as a matter of course, getting a new one is relatively easy and rules for elections, local or otherwise, are standardised for the country. There simply isn't much wriggleroom to sabotage and rig the system in the first place unless it were done by a parliamentary majority against the advices of major institutions. A thing that doesn't help here is that US members executive branch often act like lions who kill the cubs of their troops' previous leader by replacing much of the upper layers of the civil service and replace it with their own people, or in the case of Trump or Reagan, often by nobody at all. This means that some elected officials can put people in charge of elections for political reasons and it's considered normal.

Samtemdo8:

RobertEHouse:

Samtemdo8:

Do these former and current governors of Puerto Rico who are ethnically Puerto Rican look like Brown People to the people that voted Trump?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Ricardo_Rossello_%28cropped%29.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Puerto_Rican_Governor_Sila_Calderon_at_the_Pentagon%2C_Feb_27%2C_2001.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/PedroRossello.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/AGP.jpg

http://politics.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/20150917-MSPP_0027-e1443629162297-682x1024.jpg

I swear though Luis Fortuno (the bottom one) looks like a total dweeb.

How come when i saw Luis's picture i was disappointed he was not wearing a red bow tie,why?

Why indeed? What is it about a Red Bow Tie that you find special?

Looking at a photo of Luis, you are right he does looks like a total dweeb and i got the same vibe. The problem is Hollywood has brainwashed me so far back that subconsciously i associate dweebs with wearing red bow ties. My expectations were really were crushed when Luis proved Hollywood lies.

RobertEHouse:

Samtemdo8:

RobertEHouse:

How come when i saw Luis's picture i was disappointed he was not wearing a red bow tie,why?

Why indeed? What is it about a Red Bow Tie that you find special?

Looking at a photo of Luis, you are right he does looks like a total dweeb and i got the same vibe. The problem is Hollywood has brainwashed me so far back that subconsciously i associate dweebs with wearing red bow ties. My expectations were really were crushed when Luis proved Hollywood lies.

I think I got it, He looks like Pee Wee Herman:

image

Samtemdo8:

RobertEHouse:

Samtemdo8:

Why indeed? What is it about a Red Bow Tie that you find special?

Looking at a photo of Luis, you are right he does looks like a total dweeb and i got the same vibe. The problem is Hollywood has brainwashed me so far back that subconsciously i associate dweebs with wearing red bow ties. My expectations were really were crushed when Luis proved Hollywood lies.

I think I got it, He looks like Pee Wee Herman:

image

Yes exactly,

Pseudonym:

Idunno. This is the same country where bringing foto-ID to elections is still a major problems because many don't have any and the process for aquiring it can be rather hard. I sometimes feel like certain feats of administrative and bureaucratic competence that other governments have long perfected are still lagging in the US. Not just because of political choices but also due to a generally less competent government.

The whole Photo-ID is a banal sense of immorality. It is just Republicans likely securing votes away from people that will vote against them.

This is just downright malevolent and inhumane, however. Not only will it cost lives in the future by refusing to actually evaluate the situation truthfully, and where and how infrastructure and organizational efforts should be made to secure human life in a future hypothetical event, but it actively ransoms the idea of any integrity at all in civil services.

You can't just lie and directly intervene into disaster management. People fucking died. It would be like directly intervening and lying about the findings of the the NTSB after a plane crash. No, you get in there, you piece together what happened in detail, you find the problem(s), you correct it if possible so it doesn't happen again/as frequently.

It should be considered frightening that after a year the government is blatantly lying about casualties. Just to play a political ballgame... it is fucking grotesque. That, alone, should be grounds for impeachment. Fuck all of that corruption garbage. This is just blatant immorality.

It really is acase, an actual case, where Americans should collectively be looking at their government and saying; "You had one job here."

The reason why natural disasters should be treated like plane crashes where meticulous and expedient care goes into piecing together event by event is because through that it provides useful information to safeguard human life in the future. Do you need to construct additional dikes? Do building codes need to be revised in affected areas? Does emergency response protocols need to be altered? Just how many emergency fuel and food dumps should we have to service emergency needs? What was the potential cholera situation like on the ground? How long did it take for the worst affected areas to get tree removing gear to blocked roads and destroyed housing? Does public awareness need to be addressed?

Where could we have done better ...?

Treating it like a political ballgame is unconscionable. Has the bar been set that fucking low? If the U.S. faced a Touhoku Earthquake-level event, we'll likely be getting estimates from Harvard for half a century.

Just an update for anyone who has become as morbidly fascinated with the US hurricane season as I have; Hurricane Florence, a category 4 hurricane currently a ways south of Bermuda, is projected to maintain its current size as it hits either North Carolina or South Carolina by Thursday, making it only the third such storm to do so. When it does hit, the major risk will be flash flooding due to the rugged nature of the terrain. When the storm "parks" - a phenomenon where the storm's speed dissipates as it moves inland, slowing it down and therefore increasing the time it spends raining on a given location - then it will dump more rain on the states north of Florida in a couple nights than the region normally sees in an entire year.

Anyone curious can track the hurricane's progress on Google's Crisis Map, which is like live-stream snuff porn for climatologists. There's a chance that Florence could weaken before it hits the coast, which is why I'm not making a new thread about it (also don't want to be an alarmist), but there's also a chance it might hit the benchmark wind speed of 252 km/h (157 mph for the imperialists), in which case it would be North Carolina's first-ever category 5.

Which will be something of a dubious event to honour, but I reckon we can look on the bright side; North Carolina is full of white people, so Trump might actually pay attention to them.

bastardofmelbourne:
Just an update for anyone who has become as morbidly fascinated with the US hurricane season as I have; Hurricane Florence, a category 4 hurricane currently a ways south of Bermuda, is projected to maintain its current size as it hits either North Carolina or South Carolina by Thursday, making it only the third such storm to do so. When it does hit, the major risk will be flash flooding due to the rugged nature of the terrain. When the storm "parks" - a phenomenon where the storm's speed dissipates as it moves inland, slowing it down and therefore increasing the time it spends raining on a given location - then it will dump more rain on the states north of Florida in a couple nights than the region normally sees in an entire year.

Anyone curious can track the hurricane's progress on Google's Crisis Map, which is like live-stream snuff porn for climatologists. There's a chance that Florence could weaken before it hits the coast, which is why I'm not making a new thread about it (also don't want to be an alarmist), but there's also a chance it might hit the benchmark wind speed of 252 km/h (157 mph for the imperialists), in which case it would be North Carolina's first-ever category 5.

Which will be something of a dubious event to honour, but I reckon we can look on the bright side; North Carolina is full of white people, so Trump might actually pay attention to them.

I am keeping an eye on Hurricane Issac which will strike the Southern portion of Puerto Rico.

Hopefully it remains a Category 1 Hurricane.

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