Michael's Moore's sequel to Farenheit 9/11, now called Faranheit 11/9

Oh dear, he's doing this.

What are your thoughts people, movie will be out in 10 days from now as of this post?

Me? I am willing to wait for "Michael Moore Hates America II: Electric Boogaloo" that might come from this.

He hates America? That's not the message me or my close ones took from his documentaries. Is that the conservative reaction we should anticipate?

Your Creator:
He hates America? That's not the message me or my close ones took from his documentaries. Is that the conservative reaction we should anticipate?

Its a reference to documentary called exactly that and the Documentary was made soon after Faranheit 9/11:

Trailer to get an impression of the film:

The whole documentary:

It's good to examine one's own country critically and being able to adress what is broken and needs fixing. If wanting your country to be as good or better than other countries while acknowledging its flaws then i guess FDR hated America and Bismarck hated Germany

CyanCat47:
It's good to examine one's own country critically and being able to adress what is broken and needs fixing. If wanting your country to be as good or better than other countries while acknowledging its flaws then i guess FDR hated America and Bismarck hated Germany

So the methods shouldn't matter so long as the message is from a good place?

I can lie and cheat so long as I do it for a good cause?

Samtemdo8:

CyanCat47:
It's good to examine one's own country critically and being able to adress what is broken and needs fixing. If wanting your country to be as good or better than other countries while acknowledging its flaws then i guess FDR hated America and Bismarck hated Germany

So the methods shouldn't matter so long as the message is from a good place?

I can lie and cheat so long as I do it for a good cause?

Am I having a stroke? Because I can't read any of what you're saying in Cyan Cat's post.

CheetoDust:

Samtemdo8:

CyanCat47:
It's good to examine one's own country critically and being able to adress what is broken and needs fixing. If wanting your country to be as good or better than other countries while acknowledging its flaws then i guess FDR hated America and Bismarck hated Germany

So the methods shouldn't matter so long as the message is from a good place?

I can lie and cheat so long as I do it for a good cause?

Am I having a stroke? Because I can't read any of what you're saying in Cyan Cat's post.

...What do mean you can't read what I am saying?

And really this thread has gone off topic discussing more about me wanting to see "Michael Moore Hates America 2" then about Moore's new documentary.

Samtemdo8:

CheetoDust:

Samtemdo8:

So the methods shouldn't matter so long as the message is from a good place?

I can lie and cheat so long as I do it for a good cause?

Am I having a stroke? Because I can't read any of what you're saying in Cyan Cat's post.

...What do mean you can't read what I am saying?

And really this thread has gone off topic discussing more about me wanting to see "Michael Moore Hates America 2" then about Moore's new documentary.

What I'm saying is nothing you've said appears in Cyan Cats post

Michael Moore sometime feel like the left equivalent to Alex Jones and the like, I agree with his position but can't accept the method he used (editing footage to push a narrative and the like).

At the same time it definitely feel like he's less popular this decade compared to the last decade, I'm guessing its because he didn't embrace the minority as hard as most of the more militant left wing did.

Meiam:
Michael Moore sometime feel like the left equivalent to Alex Jonhson and the like, I agree with his position but can't accept the method he used (editing footage to push a narrative and the like).

At the same time it definitely feel like he's less popular this decade compared to the last decade, I'm guessing its because he didn't embrace the minority as hard as most of the more militant left wing did.

Alex Johnson?

When I checked Wikipedia's disambiguation most Alex Johnsons that were listed were Sports players.

I think you mean Alex Jones?

Samtemdo8:

Meiam:
Michael Moore sometime feel like the left equivalent to Alex Jonhson and the like, I agree with his position but can't accept the method he used (editing footage to push a narrative and the like).

At the same time it definitely feel like he's less popular this decade compared to the last decade, I'm guessing its because he didn't embrace the minority as hard as most of the more militant left wing did.

Alex Johnson?

When I checked Wikipedia's disambiguation most Alex Johnsons that were listed were Sports players.

I think you mean Alex Jones?

Yeah that, edited

Your Creator:
He hates America? That's not the message me or my close ones took from his documentaries. Is that the conservative reaction we should anticipate?

I think the general mentality goes: If you don't love everything about America, your a traitor.

It's especially galling when 1. Millenials are party of US society yet everything they do destroys something. 2. Anything can be claimed as SJW, which is destroying society, despite the fact that they too are part of US society. 3. Conflating protesting with hating America or veterans, despite America being built on protests. It's like they don't listen to their own rhetoric or apply it to themselves. Under that logic, all people need to love Millenials, SJWs and protesting OR they are a traitor.

Michael Moore in no shape or form hates America. He does hate guns and wars, and anyone who pushes that onto Americans (I only ever saw Columbine and Fahrenheit, so there are probably other things he hates too.)

Meh, I'll watch it.

Not in theaters or anything but if it shows up on netflix in a few months and I feel a need for an outrage porn fix.

Meiam:
Michael Moore sometime feel like the left equivalent to Alex Jones and the like, I agree with his position but can't accept the method he used (editing footage to push a narrative and the like.

Michael Moore is certainly manipulative and willing to be selective to push a message, but he's nowhere near the level of Alex Jones. Alex Jones, after all, has absolutely no regard for reality whatsoever.

Samtemdo8:
What are your thoughts people, movie will be out in 10 days from now as of this post?

Me? I am willing to wait for "Michael Moore Hates America II: Electric Boogaloo" that might come from this.

I've never really liked Michael Moore, but I've also never really felt that he hated America. Moore is kind of like a red-cell patriot; he wants his country to be better than it is, so he criticises it voraciously and sometimes unfairly. The quality of his work is all over the place. When I watched his films when I was a teenager, I would often find myself nodding along in agreement, then he'd say or do something that triggered my bullshit alarm and I would be like, "bwuh!?" It was like credibility whiplash. I could never decide if I was listening to a genius or a hack.

He'd been steadily losing relevance during the Obama years, but Trump's election shot him straight back into the spotlight, in part because he predicted it with uncanny accuracy. As for the film, I hear that it's better than most of his work mainly because he purposefully limits his actual participation in the film; he lets the people he's interviewing talk instead. It's a shift in technique that seems to have been particularly effective, given the reviews he's getting.

Meiam:
Michael Moore sometime feel like the left equivalent to Alex Jones and the like, I agree with his position but can't accept the method he used (editing footage to push a narrative and the like).

Alex Jones is in a totally different league. Moore is a partisan and a polemicist of roughly the same breed as James O'Keefe or Tucker Carlson; he'll edit footage and skew the perspective so that you are more likely to be sympathetic to his view, but he rarely actually tells a lie. Alex Jones legitimately just makes shit up as he's talking. He doesn't even think about it.

Like, Michael Moore skews existing facts. Alex Jones manufactures new and often patently ridiculous facts. It's a different game.

Samtemdo8:

Your Creator:
He hates America? That's not the message me or my close ones took from his documentaries. Is that the conservative reaction we should anticipate?

Its a reference to documentary called exactly that and the Documentary was made soon after Faranheit 9/11:

Trailer to get an impression of the film:

The whole documentary:

The second film " Michael Moore Hates America" is crap. It actually is just propaganda, and not informational in any way. Here is the issue. It feeds people full of BS. The idea that "If you work hard you will be okay" is a lie. It isn't real. It is nonsense fed to the poor and middle class by the wealthy when the reality is most people work hard and most people only suffer for it. Those who work less, sadly, make more than most could ever dream of making in their lifetime. Showing the few who did well as being representative of " what is" while the MAJORITY of Americans do not is blatant propaganda attempting to make those who are suffering invisible.

IF you work hard and do not get sick or injured, you may do okay, probably wont ever be able to retire, and you still could wind up homeless when you approach or reach retirement age like so many actually do. The people in that film, what they fail to understand is that Michael Moore, yes he is wealthy, but that does not mean he thinks the rest of society is invisible, instead he is drawing attention to the problems in hope that at some point people wake up to what is actually going on so that they will get mad enough to actually do something about it rather than lay down and take it, as most have been doing for so long allowing it to get this bad. Yes THIS bad:
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All those people who are not the few on the right of that graph are the ones who worked hard. The right on that graph accumulated so much more wealth than everyone else not by working harder than everyone else, they instead took part of what the rest of the people should have earned for their work and kept it for themselves instead. They earned it by screwing everyone else out of their ability to retire and care for their families. Many Americans cannot afford to take off from work to stay home with a sick child, to go to the doctor or even take a vacation. Many Americans will never be able to afford to retire no matter how sick they become or they will lose their home. Many people with insurance still cannot afford the copayments they need to be able to get the tests needed to be able to receive treatments and medication they need to survive. Many people cannot afford their medications they need to stay alive every month. My father's medications before he passed away were over $2300 a month out of pocket while he was disabled and on medicare. Who can afford to live at that price? He worked 3 jobs and had paid well over a Million dollars into Social security and still could not afford to live. Many disabled in the US cannot even receive Social security disability at all but yet are unable to work, instead they become homeless and usually die on the streets if they have no one that is able to take care of them. What happens to Americans due to America not taking care of it's own people is many suffer terribly. To want to fix that does not mean you hate " America" it means you want this to stop.

This whole film comes across as blatant propaganda just produced to attack Michael Moore rather than try to actually solve any of the problems. In fact, they appear to not want any of the problems solved, instead they want to pretend all these people suffering right now in the US are invisible because they do not fit their narrative of " work hard and everything will be all right". That isn't true for many Americans. When you have to deal with people who have fallen through the cracks every day, you can't just pretend like this isn't happening. Only those sheltered enough to not have to see this think this isn't happening, of course until it happens to them. All it takes is injury, illness, loss of income, or bad circumstances to make them them homeless too. That said, I see Michael Moore as being quite a character, however, at least he isn't pretending the people who are suffering are invisible, or do not count as "Americans". taking care of America's weakest as they are your own family IS what it means to love America. I see those people as being the true representation of " America".

"A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members."~Ghandi

Meiam:
Michael Moore sometime feel like the left equivalent to Alex Jones and the like, I agree with his position but can't accept the method he used (editing footage to push a narrative and the like).

At the same time it definitely feel like he's less popular this decade compared to the last decade, I'm guessing its because he didn't embrace the minority as hard as most of the more militant left wing did.

Wait, how is he the equivalent of Alex Jones? Has he been making up conspiracy theories so his followers harass the survivors of the Bowling Green Massacre?

Really if you want the left equivalent of Alex Jones then you need to look more at the Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminism. Unless you can give me some examples for how Michael Moore is like him.

The film itself is going to be a cringe fest, most likely. The man hasn't made a good film in the past decade, and I doubt this will change that. #Resistance types will eat it up, though.

I will be curious as to the rights reaction, though. Will they laugh it off, or will they blow their top like they did over Bowling for Columbine and Farenheit 9/11? Could go either way, honestly.

Meiam:
Michael Moore sometime feel like the left equivalent to Alex Jones and the like, I agree with his position but can't accept the method he used (editing footage to push a narrative and the like).

At the same time it definitely feel like he's less popular this decade compared to the last decade, I'm guessing its because he didn't embrace the minority as hard as most of the more militant left wing did.

I'd put him closer to a left equivalent to Project Veritas. Less crazy conspiracy theories to sell worthless supplements and more not-entirely-honest documentary composed of *carefully* edited footage.

Schadrach:
I'd put him closer to a left equivalent to Project Veritas. Less crazy conspiracy theories to sell worthless supplements and more not-entirely-honest documentary composed of *carefully* edited footage.

Agreed. If nothing else, Moore clearly doesn't have the charisma of Jones. He is the "greatest broadcaster of our generation", after all.

 

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