Sonofadiddly: The most hilarious thing about this issue is the other Mosque two blocks away from the one they want to build that has been there for forty years.
It's a Mosque, not a shrine to Al Qaeda. Learn the difference, people.
I believe that, in fact, there is a mosque already operating in the building they want to turn into the mosque. I could be wrong, but I've definitely read a report to that effect.
Sonofadiddly: The most hilarious thing about this issue is the other Mosque two blocks away from the one they want to build that has been there for forty years.
It's a Mosque, not a shrine to Al Qaeda. Learn the difference, people.
I believe that, in fact, there is a mosque already operating in the building they want to turn into the mosque. I could be wrong, but I've definitely read a report to that effect.
-m
Yes, a prayer room is already operating in the building that will contain the prayer room.
Legally they have every right to build it there, I just think its really just a poor choice or lack of judgement on the part of whoever decided to build it there unless their intention was to stir up controversy for whatever reason.
Essentially building a mosque outside of Ground Zero is like putting the German embassy right outside the Holocaust museum. No not all Muslims or even most Muslims are to blame for 9/11 just as not all Germans are to blame for the Holocaust (plus the Germans have actually admitted to the sins that were committed in their name and have worked to heal the damage those actions caused) but it really doesn't make sense to put a building that symbolizes Islam across the street from a memorial that when people go to visit it they come away with less than sympathetic feelings for Islam in general...do you really want to give those people a physical target to point to after they leave the 9/11 sight?
Seriously they couldn't just move the Mosque maybe a block or two away so it can not be seen from ground zero?
Seekster: Legally they have every right to build it there, I just think its really just a poor choice or lack of judgement on the part of whoever decided to build it there unless their intention was to stir up controversy for whatever reason.
Essentially building a mosque outside of Ground Zero is like putting the German embassy right outside the Holocaust museum. No not all Muslims or even most Muslims are to blame for 9/11 just as not all Germans are to blame for the Holocaust (plus the Germans have actually admitted to the sins that were committed in their name and have worked to heal the damage those actions caused) but it really doesn't make sense to put a building that symbolizes Islam across the street from a memorial that when people go to visit it they come away with less than sympathetic feelings for Islam in general...do you really want to give those people a physical target to point to after they leave the 9/11 sight?
Seriously they couldn't just move the Mosque maybe a block or two away so it can not be seen from ground zero?
Don't you dare compare Muslims to Germans. And Muslims died at ground zero as well, not just in the planes.
Seekster: Legally they have every right to build it there, I just think its really just a poor choice or lack of judgement on the part of whoever decided to build it there unless their intention was to stir up controversy for whatever reason.
Essentially building a mosque outside of Ground Zero is like putting the German embassy right outside the Holocaust museum. No not all Muslims or even most Muslims are to blame for 9/11 just as not all Germans are to blame for the Holocaust (plus the Germans have actually admitted to the sins that were committed in their name and have worked to heal the damage those actions caused) but it really doesn't make sense to put a building that symbolizes Islam across the street from a memorial that when people go to visit it they come away with less than sympathetic feelings for Islam in general...do you really want to give those people a physical target to point to after they leave the 9/11 sight?
Seriously they couldn't just move the Mosque maybe a block or two away so it can not be seen from ground zero?
Don't you dare compare Muslims to Germans. And Muslims died at ground zero as well, not just in the planes.
Whats wrong with the comparison? Muslims are to Al Qaeda as the Germans are to the Nazis. The smaller group identifies itself with the larger group in both cases and in both cases (I assume) the smaller group's ideas and actions do not reflect those of the larger group who generally disapproves.
If any Germans were offended by the comparisons I apologize but quite frankly I think it is a very fair one to make.
Seekster: Legally they have every right to build it there, I just think its really just a poor choice or lack of judgement on the part of whoever decided to build it there unless their intention was to stir up controversy for whatever reason.
Essentially building a mosque outside of Ground Zero is like putting the German embassy right outside the Holocaust museum. No not all Muslims or even most Muslims are to blame for 9/11 just as not all Germans are to blame for the Holocaust (plus the Germans have actually admitted to the sins that were committed in their name and have worked to heal the damage those actions caused) but it really doesn't make sense to put a building that symbolizes Islam across the street from a memorial that when people go to visit it they come away with less than sympathetic feelings for Islam in general...do you really want to give those people a physical target to point to after they leave the 9/11 sight?
Seriously they couldn't just move the Mosque maybe a block or two away so it can not be seen from ground zero?
Don't you dare compare Muslims to Germans. And Muslims died at ground zero as well, not just in the planes.
Whats wrong with the comparison? Muslims are to Al Qaeda as the Germans are to the Nazis. The smaller group identifies itself with the larger group in both cases and in both cases (I assume) the smaller group's ideas and actions do not reflect those of the larger group who generally disapproves.
If any Germans were offended by the comparisons I apologize but quite frankly I think it is a very fair one to make.
I was actually going for Muslims / Nazi comparison.
Personally I do have some moral problem with it. But if they want to build a mosque there, then let them. I don't have the right to say what's right and what's wrong.
Seekster: Legally they have every right to build it there, I just think its really just a poor choice or lack of judgement on the part of whoever decided to build it there unless their intention was to stir up controversy for whatever reason.
Essentially building a mosque outside of Ground Zero is like putting the German embassy right outside the Holocaust museum. No not all Muslims or even most Muslims are to blame for 9/11 just as not all Germans are to blame for the Holocaust (plus the Germans have actually admitted to the sins that were committed in their name and have worked to heal the damage those actions caused) but it really doesn't make sense to put a building that symbolizes Islam across the street from a memorial that when people go to visit it they come away with less than sympathetic feelings for Islam in general...do you really want to give those people a physical target to point to after they leave the 9/11 sight?
Seriously they couldn't just move the Mosque maybe a block or two away so it can not be seen from ground zero?
Don't you dare compare Muslims to Germans. And Muslims died at ground zero as well, not just in the planes.
Whats wrong with the comparison? Muslims are to Al Qaeda as the Germans are to the Nazis. The smaller group identifies itself with the larger group in both cases and in both cases (I assume) the smaller group's ideas and actions do not reflect those of the larger group who generally disapproves.
If any Germans were offended by the comparisons I apologize but quite frankly I think it is a very fair one to make.
I was actually going for Muslims / Nazi comparison.
But my bad, it was a fair comparison.
Ah I see, no I wouldn't compare Muslims in general to Nazis, maybe Al Qaeda to Nazis but actually the Nazis might be offended...so I am going to do it just to spite them.
Also I agree with Mattress. I would rather they not build the mosque or whatever right across the street from Ground Zero but legally there is nothing I can do to stop them if they want to. If someone throws a brick through the window of the Mosque though I freaking called it.
Technically, it's several blocks away from Ground Zero. Yet people are acting like it'll be right next door to the memorial or whatever they decide to build there. While it is controversial, they have every right to build and worship in that area. If they own the land, they can do whatever they want with it. They're gonna get a lot of gripe about it, not from me. I think it is a poor choice of location, but nothing else.
Sonofadiddly: The most hilarious thing about this issue is the other Mosque two blocks away from the one they want to build that has been there for forty years.
It's a Mosque, not a shrine to Al Qaeda. Learn the difference, people.
I believe that, in fact, there is a mosque already operating in the building they want to turn into the mosque. I could be wrong, but I've definitely read a report to that effect.
-m
Yes, a prayer room is already operating in the building that will contain the prayer room.
I stand corrected. That is much more hilarious.
I think it's wildly appropriate to build a Mosque or prayer room near ground zero. It would be a symbol of Islam, which is a peaceful religion except to a few crazies and a lot of idiots.
That this is even an issue depresses the hell out of me. Holding an entire religion that encompasses over a billion people for the actions of a few is bigoted.
Sonofadiddly: The most hilarious thing about this issue is the other Mosque two blocks away from the one they want to build that has been there for forty years.
It's a Mosque, not a shrine to Al Qaeda. Learn the difference, people.
I believe that, in fact, there is a mosque already operating in the building they want to turn into the mosque. I could be wrong, but I've definitely read a report to that effect.
-m
Yes, a prayer room is already operating in the building that will contain the prayer room.
I stand corrected. That is much more hilarious.
I think it's wildly appropriate to build a Mosque or prayer room near ground zero. It would be a symbol of Islam, which is a peaceful religion except to a few crazies and a lot of idiots.
I don't think its entirely accurate to say Islam is a peaceful religion but I am fairly sure that most Muslims don't support Al Qaeda.
What I don't get is why people seems to be obstinate at trying to prove Islam is a non-peaceful religion when their own (including islam) is filled with all sort of scum who used religion as an excuse to kill other people, or who are influenced by religion to fight against a bunch of 'Hajis' or Infidels to a certain extent.
If the muslims wanting to build it had any sense they'd know it's very insensitive to build it near there of all places. But no, they want to build a mosque everywhere.
Rylot: That this is even an issue depresses the hell out of me. Holding an entire religion that encompasses over a billion people for the actions of a few is bigoted.
The reason that it's so big is that they are very heavily indoctrinated into it from birth and in their countries you could get executed for changing your religion.
Seekster: I don't think its entirely accurate to say Islam is a peaceful religion but I am fairly sure that most Muslims don't support Al Qaeda.
It's actually quite peaceful. One of the main doctrines of the religion is to never attack anyone who hasn't attacked you first. Basically, the only violence it teaches is in self preservation.
Not everyone loves the declaration of human rights as much as others do.
Its still in the constitution, Freedom of Religion doesn't really count if you exclude one group.
I'm Irish. I don't care about American documents.
Last time I checked NYC was part of the United States. So the constitution applies to it
Yeah. And I was saying using a document against me in an arguement won't do anything. I think a nice "turning the other cheek" would be wonderful in this regard.
Should it be built there? Well, who would be offended by it? The only people I can think of are conservative Christians (plus perhaps some moderate Christians, and likely many conservative non-Christians), who would either misattribute blame for the attack or simply be offended by recognition of a religious view other than their own...or groups like Al Qaeda, who base a gigantic amount of their rhetoric on the view that the west and Islam are completely incompatible, and who are viewed as psychotic wingnuts by essentially every factor of the mainstream Muslim communities throughout the world.
Not everyone loves the declaration of human rights as much as others do.
Its still in the constitution, Freedom of Religion doesn't really count if you exclude one group.
I'm Irish. I don't care about American documents.
Last time I checked NYC was part of the United States. So the constitution applies to it
Yeah. And I was saying using a document against me in an arguement won't do anything. I think a nice "turning the other cheek" would be wonderful in this regard.
I get your point for not caring about the constitution, your not American so why would you care?
The point being this is generally an American issue due to the fact it falls under freedom of religion as protected in the constitution.
Seekster: I don't think its entirely accurate to say Islam is a peaceful religion but I am fairly sure that most Muslims don't support Al Qaeda.
It's actually quite peaceful. One of the main doctrines of the religion is to never attack anyone who hasn't attacked you first. Basically, the only violence it teaches is in self preservation.
And Christianity teaches us to turn the other cheek (not that Christians usually follow this teaching but neither do Muslims follow their own really). I am not saying that Islam is a violent religion but of the three Abrahamic Faiths (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) Islam is the least peaceful of the three or rather its teachings are the least peaceful of the three. Plus its early years were not exactly peaceful either.
Not everyone loves the declaration of human rights as much as others do.
Its still in the constitution, Freedom of Religion doesn't really count if you exclude one group.
I'm Irish. I don't care about American documents.
Last time I checked NYC was part of the United States. So the constitution applies to it
Yeah. And I was saying using a document against me in an arguement won't do anything. I think a nice "turning the other cheek" would be wonderful in this regard.[1]
I get your point for not caring about the constitution, your not American so why would you care?
The point being this is generally an American issue due to the fact it falls under freedom of religion as protected in the constitution.
thats what im getting at.
[1] As in I think your government should ignore the constitution in this case
The issue being that the mosque is in the US so falls under the US Constitution.
that was my point. Yes I know where Ireland is no need to be a jerk about it. Like I said point being is that the mosque is in the US so falls under that juristiction
The issue being that the mosque is in the US so falls under the US Constitution.
that was my point. Yes I know where Ireland is no need to be a jerk about it. Like I said point being is that the mosque is in the US so falls under that juristiction
Wasn't trying to be a jerk, but yeah, knowing Teddy she just posted for the sake of ... posting. :P
Not everyone loves the declaration of human rights as much as others do.
Its still in the constitution, Freedom of Religion doesn't really count if you exclude one group.
I'm Irish. I don't care about American documents.
Last time I checked NYC was part of the United States. So the constitution applies to it
Yeah. And I was saying using a document against me in an arguement won't do anything. I think a nice "turning the other cheek" would be wonderful in this regard.[1]
I get your point for not caring about the constitution, your not American so why would you care?
The point being this is generally an American issue due to the fact it falls under freedom of religion as protected in the constitution.
thats what im getting at.
So deny a basic right to people so some people don't get offended because a mosque is in the same general area as ground zero?
The mosque was already in the area. So denying renovation of the building is more of the case, if the mosque is creating terrorists its been doing it for close to 40 years now, apparently a nicer building will help nicely
[1] As in I think your government should ignore the constitution in this case
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How do people feel about the mosque* that is going to be built near Ground Zero?
EDIT: Cultural center, whatever you want to call it