So I guess Newt Gingrich is a bit more progressive than we thought...

Well, time to see how much America cares about the personal life of our Commander in Chief:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/exclusive-gingrich-lacks-moral-character-president-wife/story?id=15392899

Bitter ex wife speaks and is bitter.

Bitter ex wife complains about him starting a new relationship with her replacement while they were still together - and of course she dated him in similar circumstances.

Bitter ex wife now says he's not nice but stayed with him for 18 years.

Basically there are no real new facts there. The circumstances of his marriages and his divorces were basically known. I really could have stopped after the first sentence but then I'd be a low content post.

Kendarik:
Bitter ex wife speaks and is bitter.

Bitter ex wife complains about him starting a new relationship with her replacement while they were still together - and of course she dated him in similar circumstances.

Bitter ex wife now says he's not nice but stayed with him for 18 years.

Basically there are no real new facts there. The circumstances of his marriages and his divorces were basically known. I really could have stopped after the first sentence but then I'd be a low content post.

I maintain that Newt is the smartest candidate running, and think his debating blows everyone else, including Obama, out of the water. It's a shame that this is going to drag him down.

Bishop99999999:

Kendarik:
Bitter ex wife speaks and is bitter.

Bitter ex wife complains about him starting a new relationship with her replacement while they were still together - and of course she dated him in similar circumstances.

Bitter ex wife now says he's not nice but stayed with him for 18 years.

Basically there are no real new facts there. The circumstances of his marriages and his divorces were basically known. I really could have stopped after the first sentence but then I'd be a low content post.

I maintain that Newt is the smartest candidate running, and think his debating blows everyone else, including Obama, out of the water. It's a shame that this is going to drag him down.

I agree its a shame this would drag him down and not his apparent lack of intellectual honesty and willingness to trade in his apparent values for some cheap political points. Perry has now endorsed Gingrich and that gives me an even more negative view of Perry.

Bishop99999999:

Kendarik:
Bitter ex wife speaks and is bitter.

Bitter ex wife complains about him starting a new relationship with her replacement while they were still together - and of course she dated him in similar circumstances.

Bitter ex wife now says he's not nice but stayed with him for 18 years.

Basically there are no real new facts there. The circumstances of his marriages and his divorces were basically known. I really could have stopped after the first sentence but then I'd be a low content post.

I maintain that Newt is the smartest candidate running, and think his debating blows everyone else, including Obama, out of the water. It's a shame that this is going to drag him down.

As long as he plays towards the Evangelical crowd, this will be one of the main weapons against him. If it's any consolation he won't be President for several reasons, this only being one of them.

Well, if a conservative decries his 'family values', then Gingrich must be doing something right. As whole, if someone thinks Gingrich deserved to be backstabbed like that, he obviously must be a very moral man. For what other reason would some fake disclosing that kind of personal details?

I think a whole lot of criticism can be levelled at any of the republican candidates, for a multitude of things. But this is not one of them. I don't see how he can be bashed for this at all.

Newt is basically a Democrat running as a Republican. Both he and Romney are extremely moderate, and are willing to change opinions at the drop of a hat.

Kendarik:
Bitter ex wife speaks and is bitter.

Bitter ex wife complains about him starting a new relationship with her replacement while they were still together - and of course she dated him in similar circumstances.

Bitter ex wife now says he's not nice but stayed with him for 18 years.

Basically there are no real new facts there. The circumstances of his marriages and his divorces were basically known. I really could have stopped after the first sentence but then I'd be a low content post.

Given that he gave her the divorce papers while she was in a cancer ward, I can't say I blame her for being very bitter.

Elcarsh:
I think a whole lot of criticism can be levelled at any of the republican candidates, for a multitude of things. But this is not one of them. I don't see how he can be bashed for this at all.

I disagree.

Now infidelity by itself? I don't care about that. I don't think where a leader puts his/her sexy bits really has anything to do with how they will run the country.

But Gingrich did all of this while leading a charge against Clinton for his supposed lack of morality and family values. And that is unacceptable. If you're going to criticize someone for infidelity, if you are going to campaign on family values, you better damn well not practice infidelity yourself. I have absolutely no patience for politicians who think the rules they call for others to abide don't apply to themselves.

The Gentleman:

Kendarik:
Bitter ex wife speaks and is bitter.

Bitter ex wife complains about him starting a new relationship with her replacement while they were still together - and of course she dated him in similar circumstances.

Bitter ex wife now says he's not nice but stayed with him for 18 years.

Basically there are no real new facts there. The circumstances of his marriages and his divorces were basically known. I really could have stopped after the first sentence but then I'd be a low content post.

Given that he gave her the divorce papers while she was in a cancer ward, I can't say I blame her for being very bitter.

While that's a little cold, its also clear the marriage was over before that.

Katatori-kun:

Elcarsh:
I think a whole lot of criticism can be levelled at any of the republican candidates, for a multitude of things. But this is not one of them. I don't see how he can be bashed for this at all.

I disagree.

Now infidelity by itself? I don't care about that. I don't think where a leader puts his/her sexy bits really has anything to do with how they will run the country.

But Gingrich did all of this while leading a charge against Clinton for his supposed lack of morality and family values. And that is unacceptable. If you're going to criticize someone for infidelity, if you are going to campaign on family values, you better damn well not practice infidelity yourself. I have absolutely no patience for politicians who think the rules they call for others to abide don't apply to themselves.

That's a valid point.

Not G. Ivingname:
Newt is basically a Democrat running as a Republican. Both he and Romney are extremely moderate, and are willing to change opinions at the drop of a hat.

We ARE talking about the same Newt Gingrich who brought us the Contract With America and the Great Blowjob Trial? THAT Newt Gingrich?

Or has the Overton Window shifted so far that Newt really IS now a "moderate"? And not in the sense of "compared to Michele Bachmann"?

According to recent polls released today, Newt is leading Romney now in South Carolina (though due to some earlier polls Romney still has a slight lead in the RCP average). It will be interesting to see how much of an effect, if any, the news that Newt wanted to have a Mistress will have on that. Seriously, he may have a few genius ideas sometimes but its not enough to excuse everything else about him. Would I vote for him over Obama? Yes but I would feel ill while doing it.

Katatori-kun:

Elcarsh:
I think a whole lot of criticism can be levelled at any of the republican candidates, for a multitude of things. But this is not one of them. I don't see how he can be bashed for this at all.

I disagree.

Now infidelity by itself? I don't care about that. I don't think where a leader puts his/her sexy bits really has anything to do with how they will run the country.

But Gingrich did all of this while leading a charge against Clinton for his supposed lack of morality and family values. And that is unacceptable. If you're going to criticize someone for infidelity, if you are going to campaign on family values, you better damn well not practice infidelity yourself. I have absolutely no patience for politicians who think the rules they call for others to abide don't apply to themselves.

Pretty much my take on the whole thing.

Whatever is put forward as your basis for campaigning is fair game for scrutiny. If it doesn't hold up, don't expect to stick around.

Katatori-kun:
I disagree.

Now infidelity by itself? I don't care about that. I don't think where a leader puts his/her sexy bits really has anything to do with how they will run the country.

But Gingrich did all of this while leading a charge against Clinton for his supposed lack of morality and family values. And that is unacceptable. If you're going to criticize someone for infidelity, if you are going to campaign on family values, you better damn well not practice infidelity yourself. I have absolutely no patience for politicians who think the rules they call for others to abide don't apply to themselves.

Hmmm, I wasn't aware that he was one of the ones hounding Clinton. I guess Gingrich is a flaming hypocrite, then.

Okay, that means Gingrich, Perry, Paul, Cain and Santorum have taken themselves out of the race for president. Are the republicans trying to lose the election? Don't they want one of their guys to become president? Are they infiltrators hired by the democrats to sabotage the party?

The Gentleman:
Given that he gave her the divorce papers while she was in a cancer ward, I can't say I blame her for being very bitter.

Sounds like an example of good Christian conservative family values to me...

Anyway, punches under the belt at the conservative moral highground aside, let's at least not assume things like that unless they've actually happened. For instance I read she had multiple sclerosis, not cancer. That interview is obviously part of a political attack on Gingrich, and for me even if I can't stand Gingrich, it invalidates every word said in that attack, untill I can confirm it.

Neither can I look in his head. For all we know he'd been planning divorce for years, gathering courage, postponed the plan at the diagnosis, and then went through with it once she was a bit more mentally stable. It's not like MS is a lineairly progressing disease, so to think that someone is suddenly poor and sad and helpless when they have it would be incorrect. Sure, hearing it would suck at first, but I don't see a reason to treat someone who's known it for a while as if they are fragile and hypersensitive. Quite on the contrary, people hate it when you treat them like that just because of a disease. And for all we know she's lying and he divorced well before the diagnosis.

Elcarsh:
Okay, that means Gingrich, Perry, Paul, Cain and Santorum have taken themselves out of the race for president. Are the republicans trying to lose the election? Don't they want one of their guys to become president? Are they infiltrators hired by the democrats to sabotage the party?

Sometimes you'd wonder that, yes. But what I think we're seeing is just the result of what the republican party has been doing. They've made politics into a hostile us vs them affair, and there's only one holy conservative truth. Extremely religious groups needed to be appeased to gain more support against 'the enemy' and they radicalised as a part as a result of that.

Their supporters have grown to believe that over the years and they've grown used to politics being like that, and now it's coming back to haunt them because nobody is the incarnation of exactly what they want.

Basically they've radicalised so much they've split themselves up. The tea party operating under that name instead of under the title 'republicans' should also stand testament to that internal division.

This is why it's so annoying how in America we elect candidates and not parties. You (and by extension your party) won't have a chance unless you are groomed practically from birth to have a squeaky clean record. With Facebook and the internet it's just going to get worse as time goes by.

Not G. Ivingname:
Newt is basically a Democrat running as a Republican.

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Newt "Child labor is just dandy, arrest federal judges who make controversial rulings, author of To Save America: Stopping Obama's Secular-Socialist Machine" motherFUCKING Gingrich? Basically a Democrat? Extremely moderate? Are you from the mirror universe where Obama has a beard and the Democrats stage public executions of the poor?

Elcarsh:
Hmmm, I wasn't aware that he was one of the ones hounding Clinton. I guess Gingrich is a flaming hypocrite, then.

Kids these days, no sense of history, I tell ya...

Elcarsh:

Okay, that means Gingrich, Perry, Paul, Cain and Santorum have taken themselves out of the race for president. Are the republicans trying to lose the election? Don't they want one of their guys to become president? Are they infiltrators hired by the democrats to sabotage the party?

"In time, all organizations seem to be headed by the agents of their enemies."

But if you really want to dive into the pit of despair, consider that one of those gnomes COULD still win...

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It looks like Wife #1 only had a BENIGN tumor. That makes Newt divorcing her OK, right?

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/11/19/golden-oldies-newt-and-the-cancer-bed-divorce-myth/

I'm sure if elected, he'll treat his vows to protect the Constitution just as seriously as he treated his first set of marriage vows. And the second, and the third. So that's THREE times as seriously!

Buzz Killington:

Not G. Ivingname:
Newt is basically a Democrat running as a Republican.

image

Newt "Child labor is just dandy, arrest federal judges who make controversial rulings, author of To Save America: Stopping Obama's Secular-Socialist Machine" motherFUCKING Gingrich? Basically a Democrat? Extremely moderate? Are you from the mirror universe where Obama has a beard and the Democrats stage public executions of the poor?

What Buzz just said.

I suspect Not is from the alternate universe where Obama is _actually_ a "Liberal".

I wish I could live in that universe...

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ETA: Now I've thought of two other possible responses:

2) I think the problem is, Buzz, we forgot that to a Republican, "Liberal" is not a word that means things. It doesn't refer to people with some specific political views, it's just a synonym for "BAD". Similar to the way that when I call someone a 'bastard', it's usually not because they were born out of wedlock.

3) Not G. Ivingname just mis-spelled it. It's "liberTINE", Not. :D

Zach of Fables:
This is why it's so annoying how in America we elect candidates and not parties. You (and by extension your party) won't have a chance unless you are groomed practically from birth to have a squeaky clean record. With Facebook and the internet it's just going to get worse as time goes by.

I agree that there's a problem with a system in which a candidate essentially has to be groomed from an early age to eventually become a real presidential candidate, but in this case Newt's the wrong guy for the job and his baggage is holding him back because a lot of people actually remember who Newt was before he reemerged as a presidential candidate in 2011, that being the lowest kind of slimy, two-faced politician.

Serge A. Storms:

I agree that there's a problem with a system in which a candidate essentially has to be groomed from an early age to eventually become a real presidential candidate,

It's called "being a Rich White Guy". :(

Katatori-kun:
But Gingrich did all of this while leading a charge against Clinton for his supposed lack of morality and family values. And that is unacceptable. If you're going to criticize someone for infidelity, if you are going to campaign on family values, you better damn well not practice infidelity yourself. I have absolutely no patience for politicians who think the rules they call for others to abide don't apply to themselves.

This.

If you talk the talk, you better be able to walk the walk. I've got no problems with a man marrying 3 times, even when the divorces were handled in questionable circumstances. But that man cannot them turn around and bash everyone else for doing stuff that is comparably better than what he did.

Even if we disregard this, Gingrich still has a lot of other things that can take him down.

Bymidew:
Kids these days, no sense of history, I tell ya...

Well, it's AMERICAN history, and I'm Swedish, so it's not like it's at the top of our list of priorities.

Elcarsh:

Bymidew:
Kids these days, no sense of history, I tell ya...

Well, it's AMERICAN history, and I'm Swedish, so it's not like it's at the top of our list of priorities.

LIES! America is the ONLY COUNTRY THAT MATTERS, as you poor, ignorant Foreignistanis would know if your Communist overlords would let you listen to Fox News.

:D

(I assumed you were American. Sorry 'bout that.)

Watching the debate right now, the first question was to Newt about this and Gingrich let John King have a piece of his mind and got wild applause for calling it despicable that John King would ask a question like that at the beginning of a US primary debate. He then denied that he ever asked for an open marriage.

I still think the guy is a sleazeball but damn it I can't help but love the way his mind works and how combative he can get sometimes. Other times not so much but when he is good he is gold.

Buzz Killington:

Not G. Ivingname:
Newt is basically a Democrat running as a Republican.

image

Newt "Child labor is just dandy, arrest federal judges who make controversial rulings, author of To Save America: Stopping Obama's Secular-Socialist Machine" motherFUCKING Gingrich? Basically a Democrat? Extremely moderate? Are you from the mirror universe where Obama has a beard and the Democrats stage public executions of the poor?

Bymidew:

Not G. Ivingname:
Newt is basically a Democrat running as a Republican. Both he and Romney are extremely moderate, and are willing to change opinions at the drop of a hat.

We ARE talking about the same Newt Gingrich who brought us the Contract With America and the Great Blowjob Trial? THAT Newt Gingrich?

Or has the Overton Window shifted so far that Newt really IS now a "moderate"? And not in the sense of "compared to Michele Bachmann"?

Ok, ok, fair points. Newt Gingrich keeps switching positions so much that I have a hard time keeping track.

In the same interview he said these two statements:

"all of us have a responsibility to pay-help pay for health care"

"I don't think right wing social engineering is any more desirable than left wing social engineering. I don't think imposing radical change from the right or the left is a very good way for a free society to operate."

Although I will say he does hold some very insane positions, including a belief that his children will grow up in an Atheist/Islamic nation.

Blablahb:

The Gentleman:
Given that he gave her the divorce papers while she was in a cancer ward, I can't say I blame her for being very bitter.

Sounds like an example of good Christian conservative family values to me...

Anyway, punches under the belt at the conservative moral highground aside, let's at least not assume things like that unless they've actually happened. For instance I read she had multiple sclerosis, not cancer. That interview is obviously part of a political attack on Gingrich, and for me even if I can't stand Gingrich, it invalidates every word said in that attack, untill I can confirm it.

After some research, I have realized that it was the first wife he divorced in a cancer ward. The second one was, in fact, after she was diagnosed with MS. It's an easy mistake to make. On the other hand, it does show Gingrich as a guy who is a consistent arsehole to anyone who doesn't give him what he wants.

 

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