Communism. Could it work?

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I have been writing an essay for school about the Communist Manifesto (or at least a section of it) and I find myself wondering. Could an ideal society be formed out of the ideas from this document? I seem to feel that a Communist society could be very desirable in an ideal world (unlike ours where unfourtunately dictators seem to be the norm for Communist countries). So, if done right, what do you think? Could Communism be a viable, if not desirable governmental form? If not, what is in your opinion, the best way to go?

I believe that (real) communism is good and would be awesome to live in it. On the other hand, I don't see it happening neither now, nor at all, to be honest. It's a form of Utopia - just an ideal.

Well, depends. There are many things which fall under the heading of "communism" and many varying degrees of "work".

Also, is this about it working it the world as it is today, or in some hypothetical world?

This seems more like a question for Religion and Politics, but since I'm here now, I personally think that even under ideal circumstances capitalism is a better system. The way I see it, having certain people as receiving more than others is good for a society as it puts us all in competition, leading to only the most productive and efficient industries left. The reward of being rich encourages innovators to strive for higher and better than they would under a communist system where they would be working hard for the common good. Like it or not, it's human nature for us to be motivated by our self-interest.

I don't see any problems with some people having more than others as long as everyone has a reasonable standard of living, provided by most western nations social security.

No, it could never work for one simple reason:

People are greedy

In order for something like communism to work, everyone needs to be OK with having the same amount of things. That would never happen, therefore, communism would never be a good government system.

It's a nice idea but I don't think it could ever work in practice.

Colour-Scientist:
It's a nice idea but I don't think it could ever work in practice.

Basically all I could say. I mean to say no, I don't like the idea of everyone being equal, would be ridiculous. In reality though, humans are flawed creatures and there will always be someone trying to game the system. Am I saying what we have now is good? Well it could be much worse but it sure ain't perfect.

Eldrig:
I have been writing an essay for school about the Communist Manifesto (or at least a section of it) and I find myself wondering. Could an ideal society be formed out of the ideas from this document? I seem to feel that a Communist society could be very desirable in an ideal world (unlike ours where unfourtunately dictators seem to be the norm for Communist countries). So, if done right, what do you think? Could Communism be a viable, if not desirable governmental form? If not, what is in your opinion, the best way to go?

This belongs in the Religion and Politics section of the board....

Communism is a wonderful thing... on paper.

In practice it goes against human nature so it will never work. Nature is one thing you can hold your ground against for only a tiny span of time.

Wanna know a secret? No 'system' will ever work because mankind will never master nature nor itself. Everything will always break down, and we have become excellent at helping that process along.

Capitalism depends upon infinite growth, and communism depends upon the good will of men- both of which are fairy tales.

No.

Within seconds this will happen

"I'm a doctor who had to study for years doing grueling studies to get my job and I get paid the same as a dishwasher in a restaurant, what gives?"

Cue anarchy

EDIT Replace doctor with any high earning profession, I don't really care about why someone may become a doctor, it was just an example.

If a system of government looks amazing in theory, but consistently churns out crappy second-world dictatorships with limited free speech, then there's something very wrong with the theory.

Personally I think a limited form of socialism (fused with capitalism) would probably work quite well at our current level of technology. Different forms of civilisation are better suited to different forms of governance...there's no black & white answer here.

communism is a dictatorship in disguise by changing the word dictator to state
so in communism/a dictatorship the country is run solely by the state/dictator and there is never an election. everything works for the state/dictator and everything is owned by the state/dictator and the state/dictator will decide what to do with it. anyone who disagree's with the state/dictator is an enemy to the state/dictator and gets punished
so no it wont work because you can only take away peoples rights so long before they retaliate and then you either have to kill everyone and be the leader of a pile of ashes or step down from power

Communism only tends to work of the beings involved doing it are some kind of hive mind, or you have a society that is totally cool with murdering anyone who dissents.

So, no, not really.

When you look at history, there have been no positive examples of communism. I am not a fan of the communism ideal. Why should everyone be equal? I find that the system the West uses now to be fine, although it needs a little change so that the economy stops screwing up.

The problem with Communism is that it needs to be run by a person, and these people are usually greedy.

Matthew94:
No.

Within seconds this will happen

"I'm a doctor who had to study for years doing gruelling studies to get my job and I get paid the same as a dishwasher in a restaurant, what gives?"

Cue anarchy

I'm fairly certain different jobs had different pay(and different retirement ages), the problem was more that you really had nothing to spend it on because the state controlled pretty much all the supply, and production was overall horrible. I've heard stories about people having about five gazillion monies, yet they had to stand in line for hours to get their hands on something to eat anyways.
So.. yeah, same situation either way. =p

Pure, strictly regulated communism is every bit as bad an idea as pure, unrestricted capitalism. Competitive trade is necessary. Regulation to keep people from stomping on each other is also necessary.

...unless there's such a surplus of resources at a cost of next to no labor that everyone can have almost anything they want... in which case, there'd be no need for a monetary system, and people who hoarded things would simply be laughed at.

Matthew94:
No.

Within seconds this will happen

"I'm a doctor who had to study for years doing gruelling studies to get my job and I get paid the same as a dishwasher in a restaurant, what gives?"

Cue anarchy

However this assumes that everyone studies to become something because of money. From my experience, no one studies to be a doctor because of money. They do it because that is what they really want to do and help people.

But that doesn't mean I do not agree with you and everyone else... I could never see communism working, hell, capitalism is barely working for us but is the best we got so far unfortunately. Maybe a mix of both might be good but pure communism... No, even if it sounds nice on paper.

Could it work? Sure, anything's possible.

In todays economy, would it work? Fuck no. People will revolt. You're asking people, (American's and Brits mostly) to give up daily comforts in order to appeal to the vast majority of the citizens. Something that would just plain not happen.

Communism is great on paper. But it's such a dehumanized approach to government that applying it to real life would and has blown up in people's faces.

Of course it could work if given a fair try. Shame on all you nay-sayers.

It would work in an ideal world.

the Federation in Star Trek is a Communist society, so there is your ideal right there.

Matthew94:
No.

Within seconds this will happen

"I'm a doctor who had to study for years doing gruelling studies to get my job and I get paid the same as a dishwasher in a restaurant, what gives?"

Cue anarchy

Ignorant.

Do you realy believe that's how Communism works?

loc978:
Pure, strictly regulated communism is every bit as bad an idea as pure, unrestricted capitalism. Competitive trade is necessary. Regulation to keep people from stomping on each other is also necessary.

...unless there's such a surplus of resources at a cost of next to no labor that everyone can have almost anything they want... in which case, there'd be no need for a monetary system, and people who hoarded things would simply be laughed at.

I second this.

There is no perfect system that I know of - IMO there will never be one; human beings are very complex creatures, you will never find a fixed system that will work in every situation, for every group of people.

Unfetter Capitalism normally leads to concentration of wealth and power in the hands of a lucky few. As the more resources you have available, the easier it is for you to compete and be successful, allowing you to accumulate even more resources. Rinse and repeat.

Anoni Mus:

Matthew94:
No.

Within seconds this will happen

"I'm a doctor who had to study for years doing gruelling studies to get my job and I get paid the same as a dishwasher in a restaurant, what gives?"

Cue anarchy

Ignorant.

Do you realy believe that's how Communism works?

I thought in theory everyone got the same as everyone else, in practice that was never the case.

I had a discussion with my friend about Communism once. Here's about how it went:

"It makes unrealistic assumptions about human nature. The problem is that people simply won't be as motivated to work hard if the work they do doesn't directly benefit themselves more than it benefits everyone else in society. Do you honestly think making other people better off could motivate you as much as making your own situation better off?"

He told me that yes, he actually did believe that. I knew him well enough to figure that maybe he really was telling the truth about that.

"Fair enough, there are exceptions to general rules about how humanity behaves. Perhaps you're self-sacrificing enough that you would go hungry so that some person you don't know will be able to eat. But that's not the only form of self-interest. Instead, would you be as indifferent if it were the difference between a close friend or family member benefiting from your hard work, or a random stranger? No one would be indifferent when it comes to the question of who gets fed there. Caring about your own loved ones is still a form of self-interest. Any system that doesn't take that into account can't be successful."

Eldrig:
I have been writing an essay for school about the Communist Manifesto (or at least a section of it) and I find myself wondering. Could an ideal society be formed out of the ideas from this document? I seem to feel that a Communist society could be very desirable in an ideal world (unlike ours where unfourtunately dictators seem to be the norm for Communist countries). So, if done right, what do you think? Could Communism be a viable, if not desirable governmental form? If not, what is in your opinion, the best way to go?

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Communism is great, but it creates classes by its own - members of the party and non-members.
I say Anarcho-Communism is better, because there is no centralized government so you get the maximum amount of freedom and equality. Praise Marx.

I think the only way to have a true and fair communist society would be to have it run by an all-powerful supercomputer.

We all know how bad that tends to end.

Yes it can work if only people got their heads out of their arses from the Cold War and actually tried teaching things that weren't anti-communist in high schools In america and other western nations then yeah it could work but so far its the USA and the west that stops it out of pure hatred of equality

Nope.

Ideal communism basically describes your average anthill. And humans are not ants, they're humans. We're just not hardwired for it.

Communism is impossible. It's a belief that we can all live as equals, share everything and have no classes. We wont share everything without someone to organize and if we have no classes then we wont have someone above us to control this. Then we introduce a leader and we have classes. Thus communism is theoretically impossible.

We don't want to work hard to become doctors when we will earn just as much as the person flipping burgers at McDonalds. It makes the market impossible too since it's useless to create a desirable product. Communism just doesn't work and I could go into greater details about why.

Communism: good in theory, but when you add humans to the mix...humans are way, way too flawed for a "utopian" form of government. Greed and corruption always rear their ugly heads and ruin it for everyone.

Not with out current condition, we can not yet shake our jungle law foundation, we can not do without competition and we do not want to be equal, it's all about us not the community.
Trying to make us give up all our primal instincts just can't work, not yet.

Maybe 1000+ years down the line we will shake our need for blood, but right now it's just an idea.

........no

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In theory the principals of socialism and communism work .

the flaw is in the greed and weaknesses of man to exploit the system for their own gain
just as they do with capitalism .

as with most things. the idea is good but we humans fail to live upto the measure

Human greed is too powerful and prevailent for Communism to ever truly work. All it would take is a small minority to abuse the system for it to screw over everybody.

On top of that, not all occupations are equal. Brain Surgeons train for years and deserve to earn more than Refuse Collectors.

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