Santorum: Satan is destroying America

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...How is this lunatic STILL being taken seriously?!

I was going to make a full rebuttal of his stupidity, but you know what? !@#$ it. It's not worth my time.

If this asshat gets elected, I hope Canada closes its borders and arms it. I wouldn't be surprised if this guy took umbrage with the fact that Canada allows for gay marriage and was generally less insane than him.

Seriously, this guy needs to be laughed out of the race and never taken seriously again.

Has anyone seen Sacha Baron Cohen at the same time as Santorum? I have a terrible feeling that he's pulling the best prank in all of history.

Rastelin:

Seekster:
Um what? Bush didnt invade Iraq because God told him to or whatever. Your insane if you honestly think that.

Fundamentalist? Ha! You really should read Bush's book. Perry is more a fundamentalist than Bush is.

Your view of the situation in America is laughable.

And by the way I said Bush was moderate compared with the other people that were mentioned, all in all Bush was a Conservative but he was to the left of most of the people running right now except Romney.

And you should know that in US politics you do not stand much of a chance unless you subscribe to some form of faith, preferable Christianity. And I do not read books written by morons. I was not aware you thought Bush as such a great president. Because he clearly wasn't.

I'm sorry where does Bush say "God told me to invade Iraq"? I can barely stomach 1 minute of MSNBC let alone 6.

Bush is a good man though in terms of his Presidency I would rate him as below average, above his father and also just above Obama.

Seekster:
Snip

I was just pointing out some Quotes I found that some people may not have heard while making some jokes about them.
And if you don't like Santorum, Then Why bother Defending him?

On Atlanta: Come on, you have to the see the hypocrisy in that Statement, not just Santorum, but for the GOP in general.

aegix drakan:
...How is this lunatic STILL being taken seriously?!

Not only that, he made national headlines here, like I posted.

And quite frankly, he's a lunatic to be taken seriously. He has a large number of supporters in the US, meaning a lot of people actually take him seriously, and actually endorse his views.

He's crazy, obviously, but a crazy with millions of supporters is still something to watch carefully.

Diablo1099:

Seekster:
Snip

I was just pointing out some Quotes I found that some people may not have heard while making some jokes about them.
And if you don't like Santorum, Then Why bother Defending him?

On Atlanta: Come on, you have to the see the hypocrisy in that Statement, not just Santorum, but for the GOP in general.

I can't help but defend someone when they are unfairly attacked, I've had to do that for Obama a few times too.

The Atlanta statement isnt hypocrisy. The Conservative ideal is that people know better than government what is best for themselves.

Blablahb:

aegix drakan:
...How is this lunatic STILL being taken seriously?!

Not only that, he made national headlines here, like I posted.

And quite frankly, he's a lunatic to be taken seriously. He has a large number of supporters in the US, meaning a lot of people actually take him seriously, and actually endorse his views.

He's crazy, obviously, but a crazy with millions of supporters is still something to watch carefully.

Well that is the thing, Santorum isnt crazy, if he was then this would be a two person race because Santorum would be ignored like Ron Paul usually is. Santorum's views are to the right of even most Americans sure but calling him crazy or a lunatic would be inaccurate.

Seekster:

I can't help but defend someone when they are unfairly attacked, I've had to do that for Obama a few times too.

The Atlanta statement isnt hypocrisy. The Conservative ideal is that people know better than government what is best for themselves.

Alright, Just it enrages me to see Santorum reaching for a position of Power while making all these Views, Now I'm not saying he shouldn't have them, But as SOPA shown, US Politics and actions can affect the rest of the world massively and if a Man like him reaches the Oval Office, the Results could be a disaster.
Even you have to admit, This Man Should not be President by any means.

Seekster:

Blablahb:

aegix drakan:
...How is this lunatic STILL being taken seriously?!

Not only that, he made national headlines here, like I posted.

And quite frankly, he's a lunatic to be taken seriously. He has a large number of supporters in the US, meaning a lot of people actually take him seriously, and actually endorse his views.

He's crazy, obviously, but a crazy with millions of supporters is still something to watch carefully.

Well that is the thing, Santorum isnt crazy, if he was then this would be a two person race because Santorum would be ignored like Ron Paul usually is. Santorum's views are to the right of even most Americans sure but calling him crazy or a lunatic would be inaccurate.

No, craziness is not determined by popularity, don't be silly. Yes, the guy is crazy and a lunatic. Taking home a dead baby for your kids to see is pretty off the rocker. Or saying this stupid Satan is destroying America shit.

Diablo1099:

Seekster:

I can't help but defend someone when they are unfairly attacked, I've had to do that for Obama a few times too.

The Atlanta statement isnt hypocrisy. The Conservative ideal is that people know better than government what is best for themselves.

Alright, Just it enrages me to see Santorum reaching for a position of Power while making all these Views, Now I'm not saying he shouldn't have them, But as SOPA shown, US Politics and actions can affect the rest of the world massively and if a Man like him reaches the Oval Office, the Results could be a disaster.
Even you have to admit, This Man Should not be President by any means.

Considering that Rick compared homosexuality to pedophilia & bestiality, I would be very afraid if I was gay.

thaluikhain:

I dunno. There's the obvious "be careful what you wish for" thing, for one.

And, it gives him and his viewpoints legitimacy. If you support him to be defeated by Obama, you sorta are still giving him your support.

True.
I guess we should just play it safe. Ridicule and marginalize him would do just fine.

Tubez:

Diablo1099:

Seekster:

I can't help but defend someone when they are unfairly attacked, I've had to do that for Obama a few times too.

The Atlanta statement isnt hypocrisy. The Conservative ideal is that people know better than government what is best for themselves.

Alright, Just it enrages me to see Santorum reaching for a position of Power while making all these Views, Now I'm not saying he shouldn't have them, But as SOPA shown, US Politics and actions can affect the rest of the world massively and if a Man like him reaches the Oval Office, the Results could be a disaster.
Even you have to admit, This Man Should not be President by any means.

Considering that Rick compared homosexuality to pedophilia & bestiality, I would be very afraid if I was gay.

Why don't you share the quote with us instead of talking about it. Surely the quote of him actually saying that would be more powerful...if of course he actually said that and this isnt like the quote of him comparing gay marriage to 9/11.

Diablo1099:

Seekster:

I can't help but defend someone when they are unfairly attacked, I've had to do that for Obama a few times too.

The Atlanta statement isnt hypocrisy. The Conservative ideal is that people know better than government what is best for themselves.

Alright, Just it enrages me to see Santorum reaching for a position of Power while making all these Views, Now I'm not saying he shouldn't have them, But as SOPA shown, US Politics and actions can affect the rest of the world massively and if a Man like him reaches the Oval Office, the Results could be a disaster.
Even you have to admit, This Man Should not be President by any means.

He was US Senator, thats a position of power.

Oh no I would rather not see Santorum be President. I really hope he doesnt win the nomination because if he does I will probably end up having to vote for him since I refuse to not vote in a Presidential election as a matter of principle and the only person the Democrats will run is Obama and Obama is just going to give us another four years of naive liberal social engineering, divisive classism, political partisanship (which to be fair any candidate save perhaps Romney is going to bring), and more importantly we may never be able to get rid of Obamacare then unless the Supreme Court dismantles it this summer which is very well may do.

Mortai Gravesend:

Seekster:

Blablahb:
Not only that, he made national headlines here, like I posted.

And quite frankly, he's a lunatic to be taken seriously. He has a large number of supporters in the US, meaning a lot of people actually take him seriously, and actually endorse his views.

He's crazy, obviously, but a crazy with millions of supporters is still something to watch carefully.

Well that is the thing, Santorum isnt crazy, if he was then this would be a two person race because Santorum would be ignored like Ron Paul usually is. Santorum's views are to the right of even most Americans sure but calling him crazy or a lunatic would be inaccurate.

No, craziness is not determined by popularity, don't be silly. Yes, the guy is crazy and a lunatic. Taking home a dead baby for your kids to see is pretty off the rocker. Or saying this stupid Satan is destroying America shit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Santorum#Personal_life

"In 1996, the Santorums' son Gabriel was born prematurely and died two hours after birth. Karen wrote that she and Rick brought the corpse home from the hospital and introduced him to their children as "your brother Gabriel", before a funeral and a burial.[3][174] The handling of their infant son's death attracted scrutiny in January 2012 following Santorum's success in the Iowa caucuses. However, mental health experts interviewed by ABC News said what the Santorums did was encouraged at the time, although no longer recommended.[175] Writers who had experienced a stillbirth defended the Santorums' actions, with columnist Charles Lane writing that he personally regretted not showing the body of his stillborn baby to his then-six year old son,[176] and Jessica Heslam, writing that holding her own stillborn baby brought her "much peace".[177] Four of the Santorums' children appeared with their parents on Piers Morgan Tonight in January 2012, and said they were all glad to have seen Gabriel, and they hold a place in their hearts for their brother."

The thing is, its not crazy, I certainly would never do it but as the article says, at the time what the Santorums did was encouraged by medical professionals.

I don't know about the Satan thing, what is the exact quote? For all we know Satan is trying to destroy us just like he is the rest of humanity.

Seekster:
snip

"Santorum's problem got its start back in 2003, when the then-senator from Pennsylvania compared homosexuality to bestiality and pedophilia, saying the "definition of marriage" has never included "man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be."

Several links and you can find several more with a quick google.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/rick-santorum-denies-comparing-homosexuality-to-bestiality-66810/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/05/rick-santorum-homosexuality-man-on-dog_n_1187103.html
http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2012/01/05/santorum_google_problem_romney_campaign_ad_on_dan_savage_s_santorum_site.html
http://www.queerty.com/santorum-pretends-he-didnt-compare-homosexuality-to-bestiality-and-pedophilia-20120105/
http://www.barcelonareporter.com/index.php?/news/comments/rick_santorums_anal_sex_problem_compared_homosexuality_to_bestiality_and_pe/

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/09/santorum-i-stand-by-my-man-on-dog-comment/
"The former Pennsylvania senator began the interview by defending his accusation that gays were waging a "jihad" against him for comparing homosexuality to "man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be.""

Wait a minute...

Santorum...Santo...Santa...Santa is an anagram for Satan...*gasp*...Santorum is Satan! And he's destroying America.

Goldbluming FTW

Seekster:

No Republicans were roundly criticized when Democrats accused them of trying to use 9/11 for political benefit (they werent, they were just more willing to bring it up than the Democrats were).

What?

You don't remember Rudy "a noun, a verb, and 9/11" Guiliani? You've completely forgotten Bush mentioning 9/11 in every other sentence of his "why we need to invade Iraq" speeches to give people the false assumption that Hussein had something to do with it? You don't remember "If you don't do (whatever idiotic thing Rumsfeld thought up this week) THEN THE TERRORISTS HAVE ALREADY WON"?

You're either very young or have some sort of severe memory loss.

Seekster:

Um what? Bush didnt invade Iraq because God told him to or whatever. Your insane if you honestly think that.

We're not the only insane ones, apparently.

LIBRUL BIAS!!!@!!~:
"President Bush said to all of us: 'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."

Okay, you'll reject that instantly upon seeing the URL. Let's see what else I can find:

White House denies Bush God claims

Well, as far as I'm concerned, that clinches it. I wouldn't believe a Bush spokescritter if they told me the sky was blue without checking it myself. :-P

Oh, burn:
"History is littered with examples of people doing the most bizarre and sometimes wicked things on this basis," said Andrew Blackstock, director of the British-based Christian Socialist Movement. "If Bush really wants to obey God during his time as president he should start with what is blindingly obvious from the Bible rather than perceived supernatural messages.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/17BUSH.html?_r=1

Remember back when we thought Faith-Based Initiatives were going to be Dubya's worst idea? Ah, the good old days...

Seekster:

And by the way I said Bush was moderate compared with the other people that were mentioned, all in all Bush was a Conservative but he was to the left of most of the people running right now except Romney.

A fact that should fill any sane American with deep despair.

Seekster:

As for Obama being a snob, I actually agree with that one. I think many Americans feel that way about Obama and his ilk. He is an elitist and is very bad at hiding that.

(Note to foreigners: In Americaspeak, an "elitist" is anyone with a college degree who doesn't vote Republican. It CERTAINLY isn't a member of our most wealthy and powerful 0.1% of the population.)

A...'snob'.

Would you say he's... "uppity"?

GO ON.

Seekster:

Oh no I would rather not see Santorum be President. I really hope he doesnt win the nomination because if he does I will probably end up having to vote for him since I refuse to not vote in a Presidential election as a matter of principle and the only person the Democrats will run is Obama and Obama is just going to give us another four years of naive liberal social engineering, divisive classism, political partisanship (which to be fair any candidate save perhaps Romney is going to bring), and more importantly we may never be able to get rid of Obamacare then unless the Supreme Court dismantles it this summer which is very well may do.

OH NOES! Healthcare will KILL US ALL!!!@!

I haven't been keeping track. Has the Death Panel started manufacturing Soylent Grandma yet, like that nice lady Sarah said they would?

What, you'd prefer four years of Conservative social engineering, divisive classism, political partisanship, never getting rid of our national debt, and probably starting ANOTHER war in the Middle East?

Aw, who am I kidding, of course you would. You'd support public baby-BBQs as long as the party you've imprinted on was sponsoring them.

Seekster:

I don't know about the Satan thing, what is the exact quote? For all we know Satan is trying to destroy us just like he is the rest of humanity.

That's because you are subliterate. If you bothered to look AT THE FIRST POST IN THIS THREAD, you would see a LINK TO AN ARTICLE WITH SANTORUM'S SPEECH!

STOP BEING SO DELIBERATELY IGNORANT.

WHARRGARBL

Tubez:

Seekster:
snip

"Santorum's problem got its start back in 2003, when the then-senator from Pennsylvania compared homosexuality to bestiality and pedophilia, saying the "definition of marriage" has never included "man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be."

Several links and you can find several more with a quick google.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/rick-santorum-denies-comparing-homosexuality-to-bestiality-66810/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/05/rick-santorum-homosexuality-man-on-dog_n_1187103.html
http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2012/01/05/santorum_google_problem_romney_campaign_ad_on_dan_savage_s_santorum_site.html
http://www.queerty.com/santorum-pretends-he-didnt-compare-homosexuality-to-bestiality-and-pedophilia-20120105/
http://www.barcelonareporter.com/index.php?/news/comments/rick_santorums_anal_sex_problem_compared_homosexuality_to_bestiality_and_pe/

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/09/santorum-i-stand-by-my-man-on-dog-comment/
"The former Pennsylvania senator began the interview by defending his accusation that gays were waging a "jihad" against him for comparing homosexuality to "man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be.""

It was a stupid line but I think what the Senator meant was that marriage was not meant to include homosexual unions just as it wasnt meant to include those other things. At the time there was a lot of hysteria about taking the slippery slope the the extreme. A lot of folks talking about people marrying their truck or what not. Santorum got caught up in that and said something stupid. I am sure like most conservatives he would agree that pedophilia and bestiality are far worse than homosexuality.

Bymidew:

Seekster:

No Republicans were roundly criticized when Democrats accused them of trying to use 9/11 for political benefit (they werent, they were just more willing to bring it up than the Democrats were).

What?

You don't remember Rudy "a noun, a verb, and 9/11" Guiliani? You've completely forgotten Bush mentioning 9/11 in every other sentence of his "why we need to invade Iraq" speeches to give people the false assumption that Hussein had something to do with it? You don't remember "If you don't do (whatever idiotic thing Rumsfeld thought up this week) THEN THE TERRORISTS HAVE ALREADY WON"?

You're either very young or have some sort of severe memory loss.

Seekster:

Um what? Bush didnt invade Iraq because God told him to or whatever. Your insane if you honestly think that.

We're not the only insane ones, apparently.

LIBRUL BIAS!!!@!!~:
"President Bush said to all of us: 'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."

Okay, you'll reject that instantly upon seeing the URL. Let's see what else I can find:

White House denies Bush God claims

Well, as far as I'm concerned, that clinches it. I wouldn't believe a Bush spokescritter if they told me the sky was blue without checking it myself. :-P

Oh, burn:
"History is littered with examples of people doing the most bizarre and sometimes wicked things on this basis," said Andrew Blackstock, director of the British-based Christian Socialist Movement. "If Bush really wants to obey God during his time as president he should start with what is blindingly obvious from the Bible rather than perceived supernatural messages.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/17BUSH.html?_r=1

Remember back when we thought Faith-Based Initiatives were going to be Dubya's worst idea? Ah, the good old days...

Seekster:

And by the way I said Bush was moderate compared with the other people that were mentioned, all in all Bush was a Conservative but he was to the left of most of the people running right now except Romney.

A fact that should fill any sane American with deep despair.

Seekster:

As for Obama being a snob, I actually agree with that one. I think many Americans feel that way about Obama and his ilk. He is an elitist and is very bad at hiding that.

(Note to foreigners: In Americaspeak, an "elitist" is anyone with a college degree who doesn't vote Republican. It CERTAINLY isn't a member of our most wealthy and powerful 0.1% of the population.)

A...'snob'.

Would you say he's... "uppity"?

GO ON.

Bush WAS President during 9/11 and the response to it shapped his presidency after that. Of course he is going to mention it. Rudy was the Mayor of New York when it happened so of course he is going to talk about it.

I am sure Bush believed and believes that he did the right thing given the circumstances. However the decision to go into Iraq took a lot of debate, discussion, and planning (which is outlined in detail in many sources including Bush's own book which is why I suggested reading it). The idea that Bush thought he heard God say "invade Iraq" and decided at that point to invade Iraq no matter what is insulting at best.

Oh hi race card.

Obama is an elitist because he seems to believe that government knows what is best for the people and he can quote Lincoln all he wants but his actions contradict his rhetoric (which to be fair is true of most politicians from both parties). No an elitist in this context means someone who looks down on the average person and thinks they should shut up and just listen to you because you are smarter than them.

"What, you'd prefer four years of Conservative social engineering, divisive classism, political partisanship, never getting rid of our national debt, and probably starting ANOTHER war in the Middle East?"

I'd prefer Hillary Clinton to Obama...thats how far this has gone. I actually heard a Conservative Talk Radio host praise Hillary Clinton today because she has done a very solid job as Secretary of State which contrasts to Obama's failed attempts at leadership.

More lazy than ignorant.

*Skims through the article*

Yeah about what I thought. I think Satan has been invoked in American politics ever since the beginning. This is really nothing new, heck for all we know it could be Satan but whether it is or not its not going to really change what Santorum does. Honestly I am impressed that the liberal blogs out there arent spinning this to make it out like Santorum called Obama Satan.

Seekster:

Bymidew:

Seekster:

No Republicans were roundly criticized when Democrats accused them of trying to use 9/11 for political benefit (they werent, they were just more willing to bring it up than the Democrats were).

What?

You don't remember Rudy "a noun, a verb, and 9/11" Guiliani? You've completely forgotten Bush mentioning 9/11 in every other sentence of his "why we need to invade Iraq" speeches to give people the false assumption that Hussein had something to do with it? You don't remember "If you don't do (whatever idiotic thing Rumsfeld thought up this week) THEN THE TERRORISTS HAVE ALREADY WON"?

Bush WAS President during 9/11 and the response to it shapped his presidency after that. Of course he is going to mention it. Rudy was the Mayor of New York when it happened so of course he is going to talk about it.

So, you're admitting I'm right without actually SAYING you're admitting I'm right?

Seekster:

Seekster:

As for Obama being a snob, I actually agree with that one. I think many Americans feel that way about Obama and his ilk. He is an elitist and is very bad at hiding that.

(Note to foreigners: In Americaspeak, an "elitist" is anyone with a college degree who doesn't vote Republican. It CERTAINLY isn't a member of our most wealthy and powerful 0.1% of the population.)

A...'snob'.

Would you say he's... "uppity"?

GO ON.

[/quote]

Seekster:

Oh hi race card.

You brought it down upon yourself, so stop whining.

I want to see you try and argue with a straight face that the multi-millionaire son of a priviliged family of professional politicians who got into an Ivy League school as a legacy and who surrounded himself with his fellow millionaires was somehow a 'man of the people', while the black guy who got through college on a scholarship, became a community organizer, and WORKED his way to high office is a 'snob'. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.

And I fully expect that by election day, you'll have convinced yourself that Multi Millionaire Mitt is the "kind of guy you can have a beer with". Unlike that uppity snobby Obama.

Seekster:

Obama is an elitist because he seems to believe that government knows what is best for the people and he can quote Lincoln all he wants but his actions contradict his rhetoric (which to be fair is true of most politicians from both parties). No an elitist in this context means someone who looks down on the average person and thinks they should shut up and just listen to you because you are smarter than them.

As opposed to Bush, who JUST KNEW that there were WMDs in Iraq, no matter how many of us filthy peasants tried to talk sense to him? Or your fellow fetus-fascists, who know better than women how their bodies should be used?

I know this is a heretical idea to Republicans, but MAYBE people who spend their lives studying specific things MIGHT actually have more of a clue about them than Goerge W. Bush's gut.

Seekster:

More lazy than ignorant.

Why not be both? You're so GOOD at it.

Seekster:

I am sure Bush believed and believes that he did the right thing given the circumstances. However the decision to go into Iraq took a lot of debate, discussion, and planning

It also involved ruining the careers of people who disagreed with him.

Seriously, dude. Lay off the Republicanism. The memory-loss it's caused you makes marijuana look like decaf.

Bymidew:

Seekster:

Bymidew:

What?

You don't remember Rudy "a noun, a verb, and 9/11" Guiliani? You've completely forgotten Bush mentioning 9/11 in every other sentence of his "why we need to invade Iraq" speeches to give people the false assumption that Hussein had something to do with it? You don't remember "If you don't do (whatever idiotic thing Rumsfeld thought up this week) THEN THE TERRORISTS HAVE ALREADY WON"?

Bush WAS President during 9/11 and the response to it shapped his presidency after that. Of course he is going to mention it. Rudy was the Mayor of New York when it happened so of course he is going to talk about it.

So, you're admitting I'm right without actually SAYING you're admitting I'm right?

Seekster:

Seekster:

As for Obama being a snob, I actually agree with that one. I think many Americans feel that way about Obama and his ilk. He is an elitist and is very bad at hiding that.

(Note to foreigners: In Americaspeak, an "elitist" is anyone with a college degree who doesn't vote Republican. It CERTAINLY isn't a member of our most wealthy and powerful 0.1% of the population.)

A...'snob'.

Would you say he's... "uppity"?

GO ON.

Seekster:

Oh hi race card.

You brought it down upon yourself, so stop whining.

I want to see you try and argue with a straight face that the multi-millionaire son of a priviliged family of professional politicians who got into an Ivy League school as a legacy and who surrounded himself with his fellow millionaires was somehow a 'man of the people', while the black guy who got through college on a scholarship, became a community organizer, and WORKED his way to high office is a 'snob'. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.

And I fully expect that by election day, you'll have convinced yourself that Multi Millionaire Mitt is the "kind of guy you can have a beer with". Unlike that uppity snobby Obama.

Seekster:

Obama is an elitist because he seems to believe that government knows what is best for the people and he can quote Lincoln all he wants but his actions contradict his rhetoric (which to be fair is true of most politicians from both parties). No an elitist in this context means someone who looks down on the average person and thinks they should shut up and just listen to you because you are smarter than them.

As opposed to Bush, who JUST KNEW that there were WMDs in Iraq, no matter how many of us filthy peasants tried to talk sense to him? Or your fellow fetus-fascists, who know better than women how their bodies should be used?

I know this is a heretical idea to Republicans, but MAYBE people who spend their lives studying specific things MIGHT actually have more of a clue about them than Goerge W. Bush's gut.

Seekster:

More lazy than ignorant.

Why not be both? You're so GOOD at it.

Seekster:

I am sure Bush believed and believes that he did the right thing given the circumstances. However the decision to go into Iraq took a lot of debate, discussion, and planning

It also involved ruining the careers of people who disagreed with him.

Seriously, dude. Lay off the Republicanism. The memory-loss it's caused you makes marijuana look like decaf.[/quote]

Uh yeah, your right, Bush and Rudy did talk about 9/11 a lot...what is your point, that they shouldnt have talked about a key event in American history that both of them are directly connected to?

You can be poor and uneducated and still be a snob. Mitt may be a snob too but based on the way he acts and what he says I doubt it. He seems much more responsive to the people than Obama does but then again he is running for President so yeah. And no you injected race where it doesnt belong, shame on you.

EVERYONE knew Iraq must have had WMDs somewhere. I remember what it was like leading up to the war, there was not even a question of whether or not Saddam had them. That debate was all but settled in America, surely he must have them, thats why he wont let the inspectors into certain areas. As it turned out what Saddam was hiding was the fact that he didnt have them.

I laid off the Republicanism years ago, perhaps you need to stop being a shill yourself. I don't care if you don't like Bush but I won't hear a word against his character.

Vote Santorum! He is the only one who can save you from the Evils of HOMOSEXUALITY and VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES!

OT: Uhhhh... where to begin... where to begin...

Satan from the Bible really wasn't that bad a guy. Yeah, he made a bet with God that Jobe would forgo his faith if he wasn't living in happiness, so he did take away his house, kill his kids, and gave him horrible boils, and there was that one time when Satan tried to goad Jesus around to test the power of the Lord, but he didn't really cause that many problems. In the Jobe example, Jobe was praying to God, asking him why his life had turned to crap (didn't know about that "God is willing to let the devil kill children and torture his favorite human to satisfy a bet"), God talked down on the poor guy, making fun of him for not creating the universe or having the power to flood the entire planet.

The "the snake in Eden is the devil" thing came many years after the Bible was written and added later to quite some awkward questions people were asking about who this talking snake was.

And why would one try to corrupt America? Why not the U.N.? If I was trying to bring eternal suffering onto all the world's people, I would try to make that organization have more power and try to turn more and more people to SIN.

Seekster:

EVERYONE knew Iraq must have had WMDs somewhere. I remember what it was like leading up to the war, there was not even a question of whether or not Saddam had them.

Bullshit. Just because YOU only listen to Fox News doesn't mean the rest of us did. And the UN inspector was pretty clear that he hadn't found anything. The 'evidence' looked faked, and it turned out it WAS.

Just because YOU (and our cowardly corporate media, and the spineless hacks in the Democratic Party) got suckered doesn't mean everyone did.

Seekster:

I laid off the Republicanism years ago, perhaps you need to stop being a shill yourself.

Bullshit. Did you forget the part above where you bragged you'll vote for whichever dolt the GOP coughs up rather than face the SOUL-FLAYING HORROR of another 4 years of President Obama.

If so, let me refresh your goldfish-like memory:

Seekster himself:
Oh no I would rather not see Santorum be President. I really hope he doesnt win the nomination because if he does I will probably end up having to vote for him since I refuse to not vote in a Presidential election as a matter of principle and the only person the Democrats will run is Obama

"Not a Republican", he says. Keep on telling yourself that. Nobody else is fooled.

Seekster:

I don't care if you don't like Bush but I won't hear a word against his character.

No, you won't hear it, that's for sure. Sigh...

And personally, I care LESS about his character than what an UTTER DISASTER he was as President.

Seekster:

I laid off the Republicanism years ago, perhaps you need to stop being a shill yourself. I don't care if you don't like Bush but I won't hear a word against his character.

Damn straight. If a self-confessed alcoholic isn't allowed to conceal a drink-driving charge from his youth while running for the Presidency of the USA, and refuses to answer clearly whether he has ever used or been a habitual user of cocaine, then what the hell has the world come to?

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:

Seekster:

I laid off the Republicanism years ago, perhaps you need to stop being a shill yourself. I don't care if you don't like Bush but I won't hear a word against his character.

Damn straight. If a self-confessed alcoholic isn't allowed to conceal a drink-driving charge from his youth while running for the Presidency of the USA, and refuses to answer clearly whether he has ever used or been a habitual user of cocaine, then what the hell has the world come to?

You forgot the draft-dodging.

Bymidew:

Seekster:

EVERYONE knew Iraq must have had WMDs somewhere. I remember what it was like leading up to the war, there was not even a question of whether or not Saddam had them.

Bullshit. Just because YOU only listen to Fox News doesn't mean the rest of us did. And the UN inspector was pretty clear that he hadn't found anything. The 'evidence' looked faked, and it turned out it WAS.

Just because YOU (and our cowardly corporate media, and the spineless hacks in the Democratic Party) got suckered doesn't mean everyone did.

Seekster:

I laid off the Republicanism years ago, perhaps you need to stop being a shill yourself.

Bullshit. Did you forget the part above where you bragged you'll vote for whichever dolt the GOP coughs up rather than face the SOUL-FLAYING HORROR of another 4 years of President Obama.

If so, let me refresh your goldfish-like memory:

Seekster himself:
Oh no I would rather not see Santorum be President. I really hope he doesnt win the nomination because if he does I will probably end up having to vote for him since I refuse to not vote in a Presidential election as a matter of principle and the only person the Democrats will run is Obama

"Not a Republican", he says. Keep on telling yourself that. Nobody else is fooled.

Seekster:

I don't care if you don't like Bush but I won't hear a word against his character.

No, you won't hear it, that's for sure. Sigh...

And personally, I care LESS about his character than what an UTTER DISASTER he was as President.

HA HA HA HA! Oh God I never listen to Fox News outside of the occasional bit of Brett Baier or Shephard Smith (both of who are good solid journalists). No I get most of my news by reading the AP and BBCNews and sometimes read CNN though their political coverage is shoddy.

Basically the entire country including Democrats did.

That has more to do with me not liking Obama than with the Democrats. If it were Hillary Clinton vs Santorum I'd vote for Hillary.

Jimmy Carter was an utter disaster as President. Neither Bush or Obama could accurately be descirbed that way, both of them have been or were below average.

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:

Seekster:

I laid off the Republicanism years ago, perhaps you need to stop being a shill yourself. I don't care if you don't like Bush but I won't hear a word against his character.

Damn straight. If a self-confessed alcoholic isn't allowed to conceal a drink-driving charge from his youth while running for the Presidency of the USA, and refuses to answer clearly whether he has ever used or been a habitual user of cocaine, then what the hell has the world come to?

Oh are people still on about that? I thought Bush answer that before the 2000 race was over. No Bush is not a crack user anymore if he ever was to begin with.

So I actually read the OP and guess what I found out.

"Back in 2008, Rick Santorum traveled to Ave Maria University in Florida to deliver an address to students attending the Catholic university"

Interesting how that little detail has been overlooked. Funny how the OP left that little part of the story out of the OP.

Furthermore I found this:

http://spectator.org/archives/2012/02/22/satan-and-santorum

Seekster:
So I actually read the OP and guess what I found out.

"Back in 2008, Rick Santorum traveled to Ave Maria University in Florida to deliver an address to students attending the Catholic university"

By the Sacred Bull of Brahma! YOU READ SOMETHING!!@! Congratulations!

Yes, he was addressing other Catholics. So?

Politicians need to be judged by how they talk when they think they're among 'their own people', not just the carefully-measured sound-bites they strategically deploy on the campaign trail. The former tend to be MUCH more revealing.

And the realization that Satan is MORE REAL to a possible Presidential candidate than, say, the ozone layer, is NOT reassuring for those of us who want the Prez to concentrate on the real world.

Seekster:

Furthermore I found this:

http://spectator.org/archives/2012/02/22/satan-and-santorum

You _are_ aware that not everyone thinks Jesus was actually the First Coming of Ronald Reagan, right?

And now, the rebuttal: An open letter from Satan to Rick Santorum

Satan:
In the first place, I'm sorry to tell you this, but I was here at the very beginning, and I had quite a foothold. Salem. Slavery. All that crap you did to those poor tribes out in the woods. There's a direct line from that to the stuff that happened in the 1860's, to the little kids working in the factories and the mines, and from there to your bright shiny new empire, and all the wonderfully dreadful things you did to get that.

My goal is and always has been fairly simple. I will use Americans to kill the idea of America.

Satan:
(I even love your clothes! In hell, everyone gets a sweater vest.)

Rkiver:
And the rest of the world looks on at America and goes....don't vote this idiot in. Please. Bush was bad enough, but this guy....oh this guy would be worse in every way possible.

Seriously, separation of church and state Americans. Learn your own constitution and bloody enforce it.

Umm, separation of church and state was taken completely out of context, It meant that state or federal money would not support one church and one religion for our country.

tipp6353:

Rkiver:
And the rest of the world looks on at America and goes....don't vote this idiot in. Please. Bush was bad enough, but this guy....oh this guy would be worse in every way possible.

Seriously, separation of church and state Americans. Learn your own constitution and bloody enforce it.

Umm, separation of church and state was taken completely out of context, It meant that state or federal money would not support one church and one religion for our country.

And Ricky wants to change America into a Theocracy where his religion rules the roost. So my point still stands.

Why are normal candidates more retarded than Vermin Supreme?!

If Satan-fearing Presidential candidates are normal, than I demand those candidates too;
-Aragorn! Sauron caused the economic crisis! Throw the ring bankers banks ring into Mount Doom!
-The son of Harry Potter! There is still one Horcrux left, Voldemort is back!
-A lightsaber! A talking lightsaber! How epic.

Could we please enforce the separation between fiction religion and state?

Danyal:
Why are normal candidates more retarded than Vermin Supreme?!

Because that's what the people voting in the primaries WANT.

Don't sweat it. After 5-odd months of this shitfight, the guy who was going to be the candidate from Day 1 is still going to be the candidate. Yaaay.

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