Class War update: The Rich are now taking prisoners

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Mansion servant enslaved by uber-rich New York family for nearly six years

what the hell is this:
New York's minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. Even if V.M. had been allowed to leave the residence at the end of a regular 40-hour workweek, she would have been entitled to a minimum, pretax income of $290 per week, or $1,160 per month.

Instead, the "forced labor situation" (as described in the court papers) was even worse than the already-below minimum wage offer of $1,000 month. V.M. received 85 cents an hour, working 17-hour days, seven days a week, over the 67 months she was kept inside the George residence.

WHARRGARBL

(If this is the "Job Creation" the rightwingers are always gassing about, I think we can do without it.)

"Culture War update: The Muslims are now killing Americans"

I'm probably the only one who gives a f*ck about this but 'the rich' are not a special class that is in war with the poor. Your title is just as wrong and 'racist' as the title I just wrote here.

But yes, terrible situation in NY. RIP, my thoughts are with them.

EDIT:
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http://www.minecraftforum.net/news/422-notch-gives-3-million-to-mojang-employees/

Class warfare. Mojang is taking prisoners now.

whole article for those to lazy to actually read the article.

A wealthy New York woman is facing criminal charges after being accused of keeping an illegal immigrant as an indentured servant and forcing her to live in a closet for nearly six years.

Documents posted on the Smoking Gun allege that Annie George, 39, and her now-deceased husband, Mathai Kolath George, hired an illegal immigrant from the Indian state of Kerala. The immigrant, identified only as "V.M.," was promised about $1,000 a month in wages to live in the family's 34-room, 30,000-square-foot home, known as Llenroc mansion, which houses a helicopter pad, 15 fireplaces, marble flooring, 24-karat gold gilded ceilings and a glass elevator. V.M. was tasked with taking care of the Georges' four young children, along with performing household duties in the mansion located about 20 miles north of Albany.

New York's minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. Even if V.M. had been allowed to leave the residence at the end of a regular 40-hour workweek, she would have been entitled to a minimum, pretax income of $290 per week, or $1,160 per month.

Instead, the "forced labor situation" (as described in the court papers) was even worse than the already-below minimum wage offer of $1,000 month. V.M. received 85 cents an hour, working 17-hour days, seven days a week, over the 67 months she was kept inside the George residence.

All told, V.M. received only about $29,000 over the five and a half years she was forced to work for the George family.

The Smoking Gun reports that immigration agents received a tip from the National Human Trafficking Resource Center last year and removed V.M. from the George's property. The U.S. Department of Labor conducted its own investigation and says V.M. is entitled to $206,000 in back wages. She was also allegedly denied health benefits, sick days or any personal time off from her labors.

Annie George, whose husband died in a plane crash in 2009, reportedly called V.M.'s son three times, suggesting he "tell his mother to tell authorities that she was a relative of George's family and was only staying at George's house as a guest." However, V.M.'s son recorded the calls, which included a plea from Annie George, "If she says anything about working, it would become a big crime. They'll start adding up all the taxes and everything, for all the time."

According to the Smoking Gun documents, the George estate had been put up for sale for a reported $30 million. However, an astute Sideshow reader points out that Llenroc sold for a "meager" $1.9 million in 2009.

Annie George appeared in court on Wednesday before a federal magistrate, facing charges of encouraging and inducing an illegal alien to reside in the U.S.

im not sure if this can be classified as "class war fare" but more or less a very bad form of ethics.

How interesting a choice by the DAs they only prosecute her for having an illegal alien. Surely even the US has laws against exploitation, why are those not being used?

Depending on the amount of work actually involved, I'd potentially love a job like this...it's equivalent to the employer providing accomodation. Obviously if it's 17 hour days then it's probably not that great...

Bymidew:
Mansion servant enslaved by uber-rich New York family for nearly six years

what the hell is this:
New York's minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. Even if V.M. had been allowed to leave the residence at the end of a regular 40-hour workweek, she would have been entitled to a minimum, pretax income of $290 per week, or $1,160 per month.

Instead, the "forced labor situation" (as described in the court papers) was even worse than the already-below minimum wage offer of $1,000 month. V.M. received 85 cents an hour, working 17-hour days, seven days a week, over the 67 months she was kept inside the George residence.

WHARRGARBL

(If this is the "Job Creation" the rightwingers are always gassing about, I think we can do without it.)

ok, minimum wage jobs.. Have you seen any poor people creating jobs? Let alone paying the federal minimum wage of 7.25 currently?

Poor people create a sum total of jobs?

While its nice to make villians of the rich sometimes. They do at least offer jobs. Thats even with the crappy socialist job environ our president has implemented. Of course someone can always not work and do what our president wants which is collect foodstamps, go to free school and still not have a job! Even after graduating!

Just think, Bernanke said Obama ok'ed it for him to print more money! I see that going well! Just double the prices we currently pay for groceries, fuel ect. Its one thing to have high prices on non commodity items(T.Vs, electronics, cars ect). But completely different when it comes to food and basic necessities to live!

While the rich make a great liberal talking point(Of which most liberals hold more money than non liberals). It is really just agenda driven dribble. Which has no actual reality to it.

xpowderx:
It is really just agenda driven dribble. Which has no actual reality to it.

I think you mean "drivel" not "dribble". I'd agree with those lines, but in a very different context.

xpowderx:
ok, minimum wage jobs.. Have you seen any poor people creating jobs? Let alone paying the federal minimum wage of 7.25 currently?

Actually, the poorer people get, the more jobs they provide. Because they spend all their income on necessities, and thus every cent of it is used to make the economy work.

xpowderx:
While its nice to make villians of the rich sometimes. They do at least offer jobs.

Citation needed.

xpowderx:
Just think, Bernanke said Obama ok'ed it for him to print more money! I see that going well! Just double the prices we currently pay for groceries, fuel ect.

Liar. The dollar has been steadily increasing value since may 2011, and is at a much higher course than the middle of the Credit Crisis in 2008.

By the way, if you'd read your ultra-right media a bit more critically, you'd have realised that printing money is not the same as increading the total amount of money. One can destroy chartal money while printing new to keep it steady, or increase liquidity demands on financial institutions to shrink the amount to compensate for creating new money elsewhere.

xpowderx:
ok, minimum wage jobs.. Have you seen any poor people creating jobs? Let alone paying the federal minimum wage of 7.25 currently?

Poor people create a sum total of jobs?

While its nice to make villians of the rich sometimes. They do at least offer jobs. Thats even with the crappy socialist job environ our president has implemented. Of course someone can always not work and do what our president wants which is collect foodstamps, go to free school and still not have a job! Even after graduating!

It's not a question of whether rich people create jobs or not, because nobody is arguing for getting rid of rich people. The point is that we have to find a good middle ground between employers, financiers, and workers so that the employers can invest effectively, the financiers can get reasonable pay for doing their thing, and workers aren't stuck in unacceptable economic conditions. The way I see it now is that the workers are sliding towards unacceptable conditions, and the financiers had way too much power over the other two parties.

Calling rich people "job creators" is like assuming every American is black. Yeah, some of them create jobs, but a shitload of them don't create jobs. Investing is not the same as hiring workers. The goal is to find economic policies that don't harm job creation but still reduce income differences.

I really don't know why Americans hate these ideas so much. The NFL has these kinds of economic policies! Why the hell aren't people protesting against the NFL?

Well, if you're an illegal alien, then obviously you don't really have any way to enforce the rights accorded to legal citizens. So the fact that she wasn't able to come out of the closet for 5 years probably have as much to do with her own crime as it does the crime of the employer.

Can't really understand why she'd be "entitled" to $206,000, the courts should have no business enforcing the payment of illegally obtained sums of money. If you grant illegal aliens the right to enforceable employment benefits, then the incentive for them to come legally is pretty much gone.

Blablahb:

xpowderx:
ok, minimum wage jobs.. Have you seen any poor people creating jobs? Let alone paying the federal minimum wage of 7.25 currently?

Actually, the poorer people get, the more jobs they provide. Because they spend all their income on necessities, and thus every cent of it is used to make the economy work.

xpowderx:
While its nice to make villians of the rich sometimes. They do at least offer jobs.

Citation needed.

xpowderx:
Just think, Bernanke said Obama ok'ed it for him to print more money! I see that going well! Just double the prices we currently pay for groceries, fuel ect.

Liar. The dollar has been steadily increasing value since may 2011, and is at a much higher course than the middle of the Credit Crisis in 2008.

By the way, if you'd read your ultra-right media a bit more critically, you'd have realised that printing money is not the same as increading the total amount of money. One can destroy chartal money while printing new to keep it steady, or increase liquidity demands on financial institutions to shrink the amount to compensate for creating new money elsewhere.

A liar even, WOW.. Well here is a article from the Huffington Post(Not exactly a rightwing media source). http://www.huffingtonpost.com/diane-francis/us-dollar-devaluation-as_b_177141.html

Didnt lie, perhaps you just dont understand economics.But ill give you a quote: This week, Washington surprised markets by mopping up 5% of its own Treasuries, a form of printing money to finance deficits that the rest of the world isn't interested in financing any longer. Or cannot.

Which of course is proxy gain for the U.S dollar. You know, only here in the U.S! Now of course you can learn the real deal here: It explains everything in full detail! And its not rightwing either. http://www.pakalertpress.com/2011/02/06/video-the-euro-u-s-dollar-collapse-devaluation-of-50-70/

Just because it doesnt fit in a agenda, doesnt mean its not happening! Reality Check!

xpowderx:

Bymidew:
Mansion servant enslaved by uber-rich New York family for nearly six years

what the hell is this:
New York's minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. Even if V.M. had been allowed to leave the residence at the end of a regular 40-hour workweek, she would have been entitled to a minimum, pretax income of $290 per week, or $1,160 per month.

Instead, the "forced labor situation" (as described in the court papers) was even worse than the already-below minimum wage offer of $1,000 month. V.M. received 85 cents an hour, working 17-hour days, seven days a week, over the 67 months she was kept inside the George residence.

WHARRGARBL

(If this is the "Job Creation" the rightwingers are always gassing about, I think we can do without it.)

ok, minimum wage jobs.. Have you seen any poor people creating jobs? Let alone paying the federal minimum wage of 7.25 currently?

Poor people create a sum total of jobs?

While its nice to make villians of the rich sometimes. They do at least offer jobs. Thats even with the crappy socialist job environ our president has implemented. Of course someone can always not work and do what our president wants which is collect foodstamps, go to free school and still not have a job! Even after graduating!

Just think, Bernanke said Obama ok'ed it for him to print more money! I see that going well! Just double the prices we currently pay for groceries, fuel ect. Its one thing to have high prices on non commodity items(T.Vs, electronics, cars ect). But completely different when it comes to food and basic necessities to live!

While the rich make a great liberal talking point(Of which most liberals hold more money than non liberals). It is really just agenda driven dribble. Which has no actual reality to it.

So what your saying is this person was just doing legitimate job creation? That it's ok to keep a person living in your closet working 17 hours a day for less than a dollar an hour? Also you mean to tell that this person with their 34 room mansion and helipad couldn't afford to employee 2 people at $7.25 an hour to cover the 17 hour shift?

Yes rich people create the jobs, but can only do so if poor people have disposable income to buy things with, which they can't on minimum wage as it is now, and so your solution is to decrease the number of people to able buy goods? The extortionate salaries, profits and bonuses at the top say they have plenty of money to create jobs at higher than the minimum wage, but why should they when top income tax is so low they can make more investing that money? There needs to be a very high rate of income tax on top earners so they're less inclined to put money in their own pocket and re-invest it.

Fact of life - People are greedy, if they can keep something for themselves they will, you seem to suffer from this illusion that many conservatives do, that the rich will put money back into the economy rather than their own bank accounts without proper incentive.

xpowderx:

Bymidew:
Mansion servant enslaved by uber-rich New York family for nearly six years

what the hell is this:
New York's minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. Even if V.M. had been allowed to leave the residence at the end of a regular 40-hour workweek, she would have been entitled to a minimum, pretax income of $290 per week, or $1,160 per month.

Instead, the "forced labor situation" (as described in the court papers) was even worse than the already-below minimum wage offer of $1,000 month. V.M. received 85 cents an hour, working 17-hour days, seven days a week, over the 67 months she was kept inside the George residence.

WHARRGARBL

(If this is the "Job Creation" the rightwingers are always gassing about, I think we can do without it.)

ok, minimum wage jobs.. Have you seen any poor people creating jobs? Let alone paying the federal minimum wage of 7.25 currently?

Poor people create a sum total of jobs?

While its nice to make villians of the rich sometimes. They do at least offer jobs. Thats even with the crappy socialist job environ our president has implemented. Of course someone can always not work and do what our president wants which is collect foodstamps, go to free school and still not have a job! Even after graduating!

Just think, Bernanke said Obama ok'ed it for him to print more money! I see that going well! Just double the prices we currently pay for groceries, fuel ect. Its one thing to have high prices on non commodity items(T.Vs, electronics, cars ect). But completely different when it comes to food and basic necessities to live!

While the rich make a great liberal talking point(Of which most liberals hold more money than non liberals). It is really just agenda driven dribble. Which has no actual reality to it.

In another thread, you might have a point, but this lady more or less kept a slave. Actually, I'm pretty sure this was an episode of SVU.

xpowderx:

ok, minimum wage jobs.. Have you seen any poor people creating jobs? Let alone paying the federal minimum wage of 7.25 currently?

Poor people create a sum total of jobs?

That doesn't make any sense at all. Poor people take jobs, so they can you know LIVE, this isn't about poor people though, this is about rich people taking advantage of them.

xpowderx:

While its nice to make villians of the rich sometimes. They do at least offer jobs. Thats even with the crappy socialist job environ our president has implemented. Of course someone can always not work and do what our president wants which is collect foodstamps, go to free school and still not have a job! Even after graduating!

What? Obama did not create food stamps or free school, that's been there ever since we found out how bad our society was without them.

Furthermore all he's done is create mandatory healthcare, you know kind of what we do with auto-insurance. But last I checked it wasn't Obama who asked for money or else his company would collapse, only for him to cash it in for himself, last I checked it wasn't Obama who passed a bill which helped outsource jobs to cheaper offshore workers and last I checked it wasn't the poor who were getting richer, so there's enough reason to not like the rich.

xpowderx:

Just think, Bernanke said Obama ok'ed it for him to print more money! I see that going well! Just double the prices we currently pay for groceries, fuel ect. Its one thing to have high prices on non commodity items(T.Vs, electronics, cars ect). But completely different when it comes to food and basic necessities to live!

You forget that at the same time the money flows into the economy, so while prices double so do wages so it only effects pensions, which of course never change so they get hit hard. You want inflation when your population is growing, otherwise there tends to be smaller and smaller purchasing power.

xpowderx:

While the rich make a great liberal talking point(Of which most liberals hold more money than non liberals). It is really just agenda driven dribble. Which has no actual reality to it.

Yes, the whole last 150 years didn't have anything bad about the rich.

xpowderx:
Didnt lie, perhaps you just dont understand economics.But ill give you a quote: This week, Washington surprised markets by mopping up 5% of its own Treasuries, a form of printing money to finance deficits that the rest of the world isn't interested in financing any longer. Or cannot.

Which of course is proxy gain for the U.S dollar. You know, only here in the U.S! Now of course you can learn the real deal here: It explains everything in full detail! And its not rightwing either. http://www.pakalertpress.com/2011/02/06/video-the-euro-u-s-dollar-collapse-devaluation-of-50-70

Actually it is a conspiracy blog with a mix of ultra-right views, christian fundamentalist, survivalism/'big government' conspiracy freaks, regular conspiracy freaks and anti-semites.

Let me give you a few of their headlines:
-Humanity is Satanically Possessed
-Tips For Sustaining A Survival Garden
-Will A Metal Garage Protect From EMP?
-False Flag Alert: 2012 Pre-Olympic anti-terror drill held. Is new age of Pax Talmudica era starting in London?
-Obama Media begin the Faking of Obama Poll Numbers

I'll stick with the official dollar-euro course for a source instead, thank you

Bymidew:
Mansion servant enslaved by uber-rich New York family for nearly six years

what the hell is this:
New York's minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. Even if V.M. had been allowed to leave the residence at the end of a regular 40-hour workweek, she would have been entitled to a minimum, pretax income of $290 per week, or $1,160 per month.

Instead, the "forced labor situation" (as described in the court papers) was even worse than the already-below minimum wage offer of $1,000 month. V.M. received 85 cents an hour, working 17-hour days, seven days a week, over the 67 months she was kept inside the George residence.

WHARRGARBL

(If this is the "Job Creation" the rightwingers are always gassing about, I think we can do without it.)

[sarcasm]One example of poor behavior! Crap! Sorry fellow conservatives and libertarians. It looks like we've been refuted. Capitalism doesn't work. Lets go home now. [/sarcasm]

So someone violated the law, and they're rich? So what?

I mean, a poor person mugged my younger brother once. Death to the poor?

I love the imaginary class war. Its almost as real as Star Wars. Far less exciting though and it never seems to end or begin.

Seekster:
I love the imaginary class war. Its almost as real as Star Wars. Far less exciting though and it never seems to end or begin.

Are you kidding? Class warfare is plenty exciting. People get almost as passionate about it as they do about Star Wars!

By class warfare did you mean that you would slander thousands of people based on the acts of one criminal?

dyre:

Seekster:
I love the imaginary class war. Its almost as real as Star Wars. Far less exciting though and it never seems to end or begin.

Are you kidding? Class warfare is plenty exciting. People get almost as passionate about it as they do about Star Wars!

Meh some people do I guess. Honestly I find Class Warfare too contrived...like one of those reality shows that aren't Cops. *offers dyre a bucket of popcorn* "Popcorn?"

Seekster:

dyre:

Seekster:
I love the imaginary class war. Its almost as real as Star Wars. Far less exciting though and it never seems to end or begin.

Are you kidding? Class warfare is plenty exciting. People get almost as passionate about it as they do about Star Wars!

Meh some people do I guess. Honestly I find Class Warfare too contrived...like one of those reality shows that aren't Cops. *offers dyre a bucket of popcorn* "Popcorn?"

No way man, I'm getting in on this.

Down with the 99%! 1% forever!!!

TheDarkEricDraven:

xpowderx:

Bymidew:
Mansion servant enslaved by uber-rich New York family for nearly six years

WHARRGARBL

(If this is the "Job Creation" the rightwingers are always gassing about, I think we can do without it.)

ok, minimum wage jobs.. Have you seen any poor people creating jobs? Let alone paying the federal minimum wage of 7.25 currently?

Poor people create a sum total of jobs?

While its nice to make villians of the rich sometimes. They do at least offer jobs. Thats even with the crappy socialist job environ our president has implemented. Of course someone can always not work and do what our president wants which is collect foodstamps, go to free school and still not have a job! Even after graduating!

Just think, Bernanke said Obama ok'ed it for him to print more money! I see that going well! Just double the prices we currently pay for groceries, fuel ect. Its one thing to have high prices on non commodity items(T.Vs, electronics, cars ect). But completely different when it comes to food and basic necessities to live!

While the rich make a great liberal talking point(Of which most liberals hold more money than non liberals). It is really just agenda driven dribble. Which has no actual reality to it.

In another thread, you might have a point, but this lady more or less kept a slave. Actually, I'm pretty sure this was an episode of SVU.

she was not an actual citizen of the U.S if she was, she would have a case and i would take this more seriously. is what happened to her wrong? yes. could she have done something about it without being deported back to her original country?no. she has no legal rights sadly. but they let her stay in the house and im assuming eat their food but im not exactly sure.

Class Warfare=s
"Do you remember that on Inauguration Day(January 20th 2009)the national average for a gallon of gas was 1.78"

Hows that"Hope and Change" working out for you?

November cant get here quick enough!

dyre:

Seekster:

dyre:

Are you kidding? Class warfare is plenty exciting. People get almost as passionate about it as they do about Star Wars!

Meh some people do I guess. Honestly I find Class Warfare too contrived...like one of those reality shows that aren't Cops. *offers dyre a bucket of popcorn* "Popcorn?"

No way man, I'm getting in on this.

Down with the 99%! 1% forever!!!

Occupy Main Street ftw! (oh that would be awesome, bunch of rich guys camped out in front of an apartment complex).

xpowderx:
Class Warfare=s
"Do you remember that on Inauguration Day(January 20th 2009)the national average for a gallon of gas was 1.78"

Hows that"Hope and Change" working out for you?

November cant get here quick enough!

If you want to talk about oil prices lets talk about how oil cost $30 a barrel in 2000 and cost $140 a barrel in 2008, almost entirely because you know who invaded you know where. You really don't have a leg to stand on there. Although Obama isn't much better, he has continued much of the same foreign policy that caused the prices to spike in the first place and fears of US intervention in Iran driving prices up again. If the US can learn to respect other nations sovereign rights then the oil prices you moan about might come down, of course these days this is a problem with Reps and Dems a like with the exception of Ron Paul.

Seekster:

dyre:

Seekster:

Meh some people do I guess. Honestly I find Class Warfare too contrived...like one of those reality shows that aren't Cops. *offers dyre a bucket of popcorn* "Popcorn?"

No way man, I'm getting in on this.

Down with the 99%! 1% forever!!!

Occupy Main Street ftw! (oh that would be awesome, bunch of rich guys camped out in front of an apartment complex).

Well now that you mention it....

xpowderx:
Hows that"Hope and Change" working out for you?

That was not his slogan. Bush never had one central slogan. Some of the ones he used were A Safer World and More Hopeful America, and Moving America Forward.

Well, a few thousand dead Americans, and a few million dead foreigners and hugely increased fuel prices onward, and with Americans being more hated and unsafe than ever, we can really see where voting republican has brought the US.

Fortunately Obama had the insight to immediatly embark on a diplomatic tour of the world and undo some of the damage Bush did.

"It's only called 'class warfare' when the poor try to shoot back." -- Old Geezer.

Pingieking:

Calling rich people "job creators" is like assuming every American is black. Yeah, some of them create jobs, but a shitload of them don't create jobs.

A lot of rich people FIRE PEOPLE, then sell stocks on the uptick. To be fair, some of them DO 'create jobs'...in India...to replace the people they 'downsized' here in the US.

keiskay:

she was not an actual citizen of the U.S if she was, she would have a case and i would take this more seriously. is what happened to her wrong? yes. could she have done something about it without being deported back to her original country?no. she has no legal rights sadly. but they let her stay in the house and im assuming eat their food but im not exactly sure.

So, in your universe, if anyone's dumb enough to come to the US without knowing all the legal hoops they need to jump through, like, say, BECAUSE THEY WERE LIED TO, they're a legitimate source of free labor. That's just great.

Bymidew:
"It's only called 'class warfare' when the poor try to shoot back." -- Old Geezer.

Pingieking:

Calling rich people "job creators" is like assuming every American is black. Yeah, some of them create jobs, but a shitload of them don't create jobs.

A lot of rich people FIRE PEOPLE, then sell stocks on the uptick. To be fair, some of them DO 'create jobs'...in India...to replace the people they 'downsized' here in the US.

keiskay:

she was not an actual citizen of the U.S if she was, she would have a case and i would take this more seriously. is what happened to her wrong? yes. could she have done something about it without being deported back to her original country?no. she has no legal rights sadly. but they let her stay in the house and im assuming eat their food but im not exactly sure.

So, in your universe, if anyone's dumb enough to come to the US without knowing all the legal hoops they need to jump through, like, say, BECAUSE THEY WERE LIED TO, they're a legitimate source of free labor. That's just great.

im sorry but the law cant help you if you're not a citizen. especially if you came here illegally it sucks that happened but she cant do shit about it. the owner of the home is being charged for hiring an illegal immigrant and this lady is probably going back to Mexico. the law isn't there to hold your hand or make your life better.

xpowderx:
Class Warfare=s
"Do you remember that on Inauguration Day(January 20th 2009)the national average for a gallon of gas was 1.78"

Funny you should mention that AGAIN:

image

I'm pretty sure you saw this in the other thread it was mentioned in. Who was President in 2008, again?

xpowderx:

Hows that"Hope and Change" working out for you?

Let's see... we're closer to having a sane medical system than at any previous point in my lifetime, gays can't get drummed out of the military for the SIN of existing, I just got a new job, and Osama bin Laden is dead. Could be better, but it definitely could be worse.

xpowderx:

November cant get here quick enough!

I fully agree, but possibly not for the same reason as you.

Blablahb:

xpowderx:
And its not rightwing either. http://www.pakalertpress.com/2011/02/06/video-the-euro-u-s-dollar-collapse-devaluation-of-50-70

Actually it is a conspiracy blog with a mix of ultra-right views, christian fundamentalist, survivalism/'big government' conspiracy freaks, regular conspiracy freaks and anti-semites.

Let me give you a few of their headlines:
-Humanity is Satanically Possessed
-Tips For Sustaining A Survival Garden
-Will A Metal Garage Protect From EMP?
-False Flag Alert: 2012 Pre-Olympic anti-terror drill held. Is new age of Pax Talmudica era starting in London?
-Obama Media begin the Faking of Obama Poll Numbers

I'll stick with the official dollar-euro course for a source instead, thank you

This looks like a FUN site. Thanks!

(And xpowderx is quoting the most apewire crazy rightwing site he can find? I am shocked, I say.)

keiskay:

im sorry but the law cant help you if you're not a citizen. especially if you came here illegally it sucks that happened but she cant do shit about it.

Bullshit it can't. Some rights are supposed to be 'inalienable', which means they apply whether or not you have a magic piece of paper called a 'passport'. I know 'illegal immigration' is the hep and trendy new Two-Minute Hate target, but they're still supposed to be human beings with all the associated rights.

keiskay:

the owner of the home is being charged for hiring an illegal immigrant and this lady is probably going back to Mexico.

That would be especially bad, seeing how SHE'S FROM INDIA, as it says in the FIRST PARAGRAPH.

keiskay:

the law isn't there to hold your hand or make your life better.

Actually, YES IT FUCKING IS. Not having to constantly worry about being murdered by my neighbors, poisoned by my water company, or dragged into a sub-basement, chained to a desk, and forced to write Javascript 20 hours a day for a slice of stale pizza twice daily is due to the fact that we have a functioning system of laws.

Bymidew:

keiskay:

im sorry but the law cant help you if you're not a citizen. especially if you came here illegally it sucks that happened but she cant do shit about it.

Bullshit it can't. Some rights are supposed to be 'inalienable', which means they apply whether or not you have a magic piece of paper called a 'passport'. I know 'illegal immigration' is the hep and trendy new Two-Minute Hate target, but they're still supposed to be human beings with all the associated rights.

keiskay:

the owner of the home is being charged for hiring an illegal immigrant and this lady is probably going back to Mexico.

That would be especially bad, seeing how SHE'S FROM INDIA, as it says in the FIRST PARAGRAPH.

keiskay:

the law isn't there to hold your hand or make your life better.

Actually, YES IT FUCKING IS. Not having to constantly worry about being murdered by my neighbors, poisoned by my water company, or dragged into a sub-basement, chained to a desk, and forced to write Javascript 20 hours a day for a slice of stale pizza twice daily is due to the fact that we have a functioning system of laws.

rights dont fucking exist man, sorry. rights are completely arbitrary and there is no such as inalienable rights. its just a cute story they tell us so we live in dumb ignorant comfort. we have less rights in the US then people do in other countries and vice versa.

fine she is going back to india now.

tose laws don't stop that from happening though, they just create a consequence if it does happen. murderers go to prison. people who violate work place laws go to jail and lose their businesses or they are forced to make them meet industry standards.

you extremist from both sides are so out touch from reality its depressing really.

keiskay:

you extremist from both sides are so out touch from reality its depressing really.

....Being outraged by someone being used as slave labor and wanting to see justice done makes me an 'extremist', now? I've said PLENTY of 'extremist' things, but I should hope that THIS is a middle-of-the-road view, or this country is far, FAR more fucked than I imagined possible.

Bymidew:

keiskay:

you extremist from both sides are so out touch from reality its depressing really.

....Being outraged by someone being used as slave labor and wanting to see justice done makes me an 'extremist', now? I've said PLENTY of 'extremist' things, but I should hope that THIS is a middle-of-the-road view, or this country is far, FAR more fucked than I imagined possible.

No, calling it a 'class war' makes you an extreamist. Nobody is saying that the rich should enslave the poor, what we are saying is that one evil rich person does not equal a 'class war'.

the clockmaker:

No, calling it a 'class war' makes you an extreamist. Nobody is saying that the rich should enslave the poor, what we are saying is that one evil rich person does not equal a 'class war'.

How much prolonged exploitation of the middle- and lower-classes do you need before you'll acknowledge it? Or will that take until some rich guy actually harvests your kidneys?

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