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For some reason, I hate religious assholes more then atheist assholes. I guess it's because religious assholes are more dangerous and infuriating, and atheist assholes are just assholes. | |
I'm reminded of this cartoon: You are correct there are many atheists who are intolerant bigots and believe me they make atheists like myself cringe whenever I see them post online about religion. However it isn't a problem limited to our "side", I've seen just as many arrogant or hateful posts coming from die-hard religious people who are only too quick to dredge up insults and slurs. What's really needed is more respect all-round, rather than singling out one group over the other as a problem. | |
As an atheist I'm sick of it, too, but in the U.S. the most rabid atheists usually got that way because they got sick of the religion that's forced into so many aspects of life, and the billboards in the Bible Belt are as obnoxious as anything an atheist has ever come up with. | |
Aye, but mate the religious types can be arrogant pricks, too. I lost a job interview in Japan a number of years ago because I wasn't a catholic. I knew my rival personally btw. Here was me with a Masters degree in English literature and a PGCE teaching license and - at that time - ten years of experience teaching in British and Japanese high schools and this other dude with a simple non-English degree and no teaching license and no high school teaching experience got the job because he was a fucking Holy Joe. That school decided that what makes one a good teacher is religious dogma rather than experience and qualifications. It makes me hate the arrogance and prejudice of some religious types and I vowed never to send my kids to a religious school after that as I don't want them being taught by complete fuckwits whose only claim of qualification is some bizarro belief in superstitious dogma. And don't get me started on the evangelical Christians that turn up at my doorstep or accost me at train stations and give me that "we pity you" look when I tell them that I and my wife ain't interested in their fucking nonsense. I don't need their fucking pity. Also it is very uncool when they drag their kids along to peddle their BS. Some atheists are dicks because they are just dicks. But some are dicks - like myself - because we are sick of being patronised and pitied by arrogant Holy Joes with a monumental superiority complex. Regards Nightspore | |
Maybe it is because most things religious around them are all part of a few major faiths; Christianity, Islam. And they have been personally attacked by them. For example; lack of gay marriage, lack of euthanasia, lack of abortion, et cetera. It's like stating "I'm tired of seeing anti-racists perceiving anything nazi-like around them as a personal attack." It's not like every nazi has personally attacked you, it's just that you think the entire ideology is disgusting.
What country are you talking about?
A negative atheist refers "to a person who simply has no belief in a deity because there are currently no rational grounds that support [its] existence." How can that be wrong, assuming that that personal really doesn't know any rational grounds for its existence? If you want to point out how atheists are wrong, present some evidence or reply to this thread;
One way or another, Christians laugh at the idea of aliens. I've made some threads about the possibility of the existence of aliens here and it was like LOLOL DANYAL YOU RETARD, theists and atheists alike. Sorry, but I do feel superior in intelligence to people who laugh at the idea of aliens, but sincerely believe that some God from the heavens visited earth to do all kinds of random stuff (create life, flood the shit, heal the sick and getting crucified).
1. Have you EVER seen such a billboard in real life?
I was thinking about starting a thread about A New Enlightenment, where we finally drop the most retarded parts of religion and all move on with or lives. That's probably one of the only ways we can *make it stop*. | |
So the responses are , 4 out of 4, "Yeah, but you started it!" Great job addressing the hypocrisy. For the record, I think we've had enough threads like this to assume that making threads like this is a mistake. Edit: 5 out of 5 | |
Cool yer jets. I didn't say "they" started it. I said they can be pricks, too. If you are gonna patronise then get yer facts straight. I like your arrogant play storming in to a thread on "arrogance" as some "I am above this" Gandalf type and patronisin' the rest of us. I think we have had enough of you mate. This is an R&P forum where people choose the threads they wanna spar in so if you don't like this thread then just keep yer neb out of it. No need to act all high and mighty. Regards Nightspore | |
Sorry, but...in Japan!? Less then two percent of Japanese people are Christian! Jeez, were YOU unlucky! | |
It's not really atheists, it's anti-theists. | |
Aye mate, but most of the private schools here are Christian. Some are just culturally Christian because their founders were Christian and they recruit and teach based on qualifications and experience. But others, as I have found, are dogmatically so and allow unqualified teachers (who could have criminal records btw) teach their kids. I say "could have criminal records" because in the UK to get and keep your teaching license you have to repeatedly pass an advanced disclosure check to prove you have never had or have a criminal record in order to be allowed in a position of authority with kids. That school preferred a potential criminal over me because I wasn't Christian enough and people wonder why the catholic church and catholic schools and catholic organisations have been so riddled with paedophiles! For that reason alone I simply do not trust Christian schools in Japan, or indeed elsewhere, with my own children and will send my kids to a secular international school instead. Regards Nightspore | |
Well, I'm arrogant, but open-minded and have little issue with religion. As long as you're not being a dick, I care little for what supernatural forces you may believe in. | |
No. They'd laugh. So cute! | |
Please go ahead and tell me what this
is supposed to mean other than "we're pricks because they were first." You have no need to lie to defend yourself. And I'm allowed to be high and mighty since I'm better than everyone else. Duh. | |
Let's not derail this thread. But two points: 1. The context of that quote within a bigger structure; and 2. Reading comprehension. Oh, and I don't tell lies. I make mistakes or misunderstand things as frequently as the next man, but I don't lie. Regards Nightspore p.s Private message me if you want to discuss this further btw. No need to distract this thread with this matter. | |
'Fraid I can't see how that's really derailment, only irony. OT: You say that you're tired of Athiests being dicks? Well, so am I. I'm tired of theists being dicks too, but you know something funny? It's not a case of 'whodunnit first?'. Fun fact, people were dicks BEFORE christianity, BEFORE Islam, BEFORE Judaism. It's called Welcome to Humanity. Humans are antagonistic. Deal with it and try not to be them. | |
i will ask the same question that i have asked many times in threads like this. why does religion get special protection? if there was a billboard saying unicorns do not exist would you have an issue with it? what about leprechauns? if there was an adult who believe santa was real i bet you would laugh and make fun of them, you would tell them that santa is not real and explain to them the reality. so why is it when people do this to religious people they get called intolerant, bigots, assholes and so on? the only difference i can see is believing in santa as an adult probably does a lot less damage to society as believing in a religion. | |
It is not what they call you, its what you answer to. | |
Given context, you were saying that you are a prick to christians because they treated you like an inferior being, that still simplifies down to the same statement. And derailing is my specialty, but only because the people starting threads are argueing about the wrong things. | |
Religion is protected out of old habit. It has been the norm for hundreds of years. Seldom questioned and it's authority a default. So now it is faced with a new dilemma. To actually have to defend it's position. | |
Atheist complains about religion being shoved down his throat everywhere in public Atheist then proceeds to buy a billboard and throw up an atheist billboard that is visible to everyone walking by Atheist completely fails to see the hypocrisy in this action | |
Then you might want to kill yourself, because as long as you're alive someone somewhere will be doing something that you find offensive. It's the circle of dickishnes. | |
And on my doorstep.
So we shut up and let them keep shoving religion down our throats? | |
Ok, then. You came on to a thread not discussing the issue but arrogantly insulting others by saying that their posts were all "yeah, but you started it". Re-read my post. The first line is something like "Yes but religious types can be arrogant, too"; you know the purpose of a first line, right? It is where you signal the main gist of your post. Nothing there about who started it. The next 8 lines are examples of Christians behaving arrogantly. Again NOTHING about who started it. Line 9 is me saying that some people are just dicks regardless of being atheists or not. Yep, nothing about who started it. And then one line - one line out of 10 - which is qualifying line 9 actually says that in my case I may sometimes behave like a dick based on my experiences. You take that one line, take it out of context, dismiss the introductory sentence and almost everything else that comes after, take that one line and claim that my entire post and indeed all the others that preceded it are "Yeah but you started it". This is wilful trolling and misrepresentation of what I was saying. Welcome to my ignore list mate. Regards Nighspore | |
depends do you wanna become more like a religion or less like one? | |
Possibly atheists see religions as an attack on them because religious people tell them it is. When the Pope or a group of your nation's local bishops, the heads of the largest Christian denomination, claim that homosexuality is anathema to the will of God or whatever, it's not a surprise that they are taken seriously. In that context, religious people shoving their beliefs down people's throat isn't really the same as when atheists try to do it. Yes, Catholicism isn't all of Christianity, which isn't all of religion. But it's an example, and in many places, a large and well-respected one. Having said that, give atheists secular power and a doctrine that condemns various people for no good reason, and the same problems would come up. As of yet, this isn't the case. | |
i dont see why people have to be arseholes to someone because they have a different religious viewpoint | |
:P militant atheists annoy me as much a militant religious too. however the idea of "separation of church and state" is not about the acceptance of none but the acceptance of all. "secularism" is being flung about as a dirty word mostly in just one country that has never historically suffered at the hands of the alternative (although ironically was supposedly founded because of it). more than that its being flung about by a group of people as an example of their "persecution" who are not in the least bit actually "persecuted" and if anything are the dominant societal force in that country to the point that you virtually can't get elected to the highest political offices in the last if you are not considered one of them and duly pander to them. there are reasons why the map of "secular" countries looks like this and they cover most of the world (the secular "no state religions" ones being in red) :
notice the orange. those are the countries with "state religions". most of us have actually historically tried the other alternative and it sucked giant monkey balls...we didn't all just wake up one morning and randomly decide on the idea and nor have we been historically recently all been somehow coerced by "atheists","militant secularists","liberals" or any other supposed groups from the modern US political vocabulary. no, generally the world agreed on "secularism" because without it millions and millions of people died at the hands of others who didn't religiously agree with them...and i don't know if you've noticed this but religious people aren't that big on changing their minds even when faced with death...so it went on and on and on and on... as the saying goes "if/when dictatorship comes to America it will come wrapped in a flag and carrying a bible" just as it did in Britain... and at that point gawd have mercy on us all because those self-righteous bastards working "in his name" won't... | |
Why can't assholes just be assholes? Does it really matter if they are religious or not? | |
Like the billboards most churches display claiming that their imaginary friend will send you to an imaginary place to be punished if they don't have an imaginary friend too? Or is it like the the door knockers who keep showing up to tell me that I'm needing to kneel before their imaginary friends imaginary child "before it's too late"? Or is it more the everyday arrogance you hear when you explain to a person that you don't believe in their imaginary friend only for them to respond with " that's ok he forgives you ". Or is it like the extreme arrogance inherent to any religion that childishly states only their imaginary friend is real? You are not complaining about arrogance, you are having a sook that other people have had enough of religious arrogance and hypocrisy and are finally challenging your beliefs. This wouldn't bother anyone who is comfortable with their religion, only a person arrogant enough to believe their way of thinking is the only right one. | |
an atheist billboard is not trying to ram its lies down your throat. in a way an atheist billboard is being much more assholish (if thats a word) because all it is saying is "you are wrong". its not telling you what to believe in, its not telling you that you are going to hell, its not telling you you are living in sin, its simply telling you of your ignorance. something atheists get told a lot is that they generalize about religion too much. well im sorry if my rant only covered 93% of religion but at the end of the day religion is religion, even if your beliefs do not have the same dogma as the mainstream ones, it is still based on ignorance. anyway back to the point, religious people need to stop generalizing atheists, see thing thing about atheists is they only need to have one thing in common, not believing in a god. unlike people of a certain religion we cannot be put into a group and our beliefs automatically all be similar. | |
I'd get on board with that. There's not much of a point in arguing about which assholes stink the worst, because when you get down to it, we're still talking about assholes. | |
Seriously. At this point it's like what flavor of asshole you like the least. | |
What a coincidence. I was just told I was going to hell this morning by a door knocker because I said "Sorry, I'm not interested" when he wanted to talk about his bible or whatever. Then again maybe he noticed the orgy bathed in children's blood and the ritual decapitation of a priest I frequently hold on Mondays to kick my week off. Also, it's not lost on me that you call it an atheist double standard and pure irony, but apparently having religious stuff everywhere and not caring/ignoring who it imposes on isn't worth mentioning. What are you saying here anyway? I'm not sure I understand your intent. Are you saying; "Stop acting superior it's annoying?" Cause that's about the only thing I can get on board with, seriously some of the atheists here at least are annoying as fuck, especially the militant ones. On the internet at least, it seems that people equate logic and knowledge with atheism (mostly atheists do this of course), and suddenly declare themselves men/women of science despite not knowing shit about science. However, the arrogance goes both ways. So that's my cop out answer. Both atheists and Christians can display annoying levels of arrogance bordering on a superiority complex at any given time. As to the asshole thing, that depends on the person, it doesn't matter if they're religious or not. | |
I love it when religious people think they're super clever in pointing out the obvious hypocrisy in the actions of atheists, but seemingly fail to notice their own. I consider myself a pretty tolerant guy when it comes to religion, I don't sit there and tell people they are wrong, I don't belittle people who believe in god (although I will gladly share my thoughts on the subject, not to dissuade anyone, but rather to offer a different perspective) so this sort of shit pisses me off when I here it coming from religious people. The fact is we are a minority, an unrepresented minority at that, so no fucking sit we will make our voice heard, because our idea of what makes a good society (most atheists just want secularism, not even doing away with religion all together) is being trampled by the religious majority and their centuries old dogma. Also, you totally missed the point of the "You know its myth" billboards. They were targeting people who are de facto atheists but continue to be culturally religious because of societal or family pressures. | |
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I really am tired of it. I'm tired of seeing atheists perceiving anything religious around them as a personal attack. I'm tired of them trying to completely wipe religion from all public facets of life. It amazes me that someone can blatantly and proudly say "You're wrong" "You're ignorant" and then turn the tables and point the finger when anyone else suggests that they might be wrong, too. I know not all atheists do this. I know that there are some atheists out there who don't believe and God and leave it at that. But for most of the atheists I've seen, online and off, they display this cheeky arrogance that they know the secrets of the world and that they're superior in intelligence because they don't believe in a magical man in the sky, and that if you do then you are clearly dumber than a sack of rocks for thinking so.
In all honesty, it's the billboards that get me. Atheists are some of the most vehement advocates of not shoving your beliefs down others' throats, but to put up billboards that blatantly say "You KNOW it's a myth" in very religious areas is exactly that - belittling someone else's beliefs because you think them wrong. It's this horrible double standard that, because religion has been around for centuries, if any other religion (or religious people in general, regardless of belief) held their own version of the "Reason Rally", many atheists would cry foul. It's now okay tear down religious anything, really, and advance secularism in the name of some misguided notion of "equality". It's irony at the highest level.
I'm not saying atheists are wrong in trying to make sure that they're not discriminated against, or that they're wrong in trying to get their own "gospel" out (for lack of a much better word, I know). I'm saying that I'm tired of the sheer arrogance that many of the high-profile atheists and atheist leaders possess against religion and religious people. It's just got to stop.