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I have no political inclinations whatsoever. Call me apathetic. You're going to have to win my vote for your cause. So why should I go right, left, center, whatever? What works? Tell me internet.

Moo!

Please don't take offense to this, I'm merely being didactic but...

You know what works? Not being lazy, using your brain and forming your own opinions based on fact.

Please, don't fall for the whims of the mob. You have a brain. Use it.

Sincerely,

Academia

A benevolent dictatorship ruled by me.

I shall have;

Free Health Care, with option to go private for extra money.
Very few restrictions on capitalism.
What "family values" SHOULD be (including LGBT people).
Freedom of Religion.
Freedom not to be Religious.
Mass ritualistic sacrifice of the unborn.

Silvianoshei:
Please don't take offense to this, I'm merely being didactic but...

You know what works? Not being lazy, using your brain and forming your own opinions based on fact.

Please, don't fall for the whims of the mob. You have a brain. Use it.

Sincerely,

Academia

You know, it's people like you that are making it extremely hard to kick off my own religion.

Keep your "opinions based on fact" nonsense to yourself.

Compete apathy; If it ain't broke, don't fix it. If it is broke, call a plumber.

Silvianoshei:
Please don't take offense to this, I'm merely being didactic but...

You know what works? Not being lazy, using your brain and forming your own opinions based on fact.

Please, don't fall for the whims of the mob. You have a brain. Use it.

Sincerely,

Academia

But what are facts in the social world, and how can we know them? Epistemologyman, we need you!

As for the question. Start at what you find important on normative grounds, and move from there. I'd advise you, however, not to listen to any advocate of any group. If someone tells you that ideology X is 'the best', because it can 'easily solve' problem Y, he or she is lying. There are no 'best' ideologies, nor are there simple solutions for any complex problem.

I'd stay away from any extremes, be them on the left or the right, though.

Be a Libertarian! :D

Ideology: Freedom, small government, and more reliance on yourself

Pros:

Be pro-freedom, including but not limited to pro-gay marriage, pro-gun, pro-free market, and pro-drugs!

Hate the government!

Can't be called a hypocrite for be pro-freedom for something but not another!

Get to be part of the third largest political party in America!

Be free from the archaic strictly Left, Right political spectrum!

Cons:

Cry yourself to sleep as you never see a single Libertarian take office.

Zekksta:
A benevolent dictatorship ruled by me.

I shall have;

Free Health Care, with option to go private for extra money.
Very few restrictions on capitalism.
What "family values" SHOULD be (including LGBT people).
Freedom of Religion.
Freedom not to be Religious.
Mass ritualistic sacrifice of the unborn.

Very few restrictions on capitalism? That sounds like a terrible idea! I can no loner support your position.

OT: We can't convert you. You have to decide what ideology is best for yourself.

Alright Son, lookie here *gets in a leather chair with a pipe and monocle* You do not want to go to the right, OR the left, because that door in the hallway is a little thin and if you do youll get a concussion like your sister did and start believing that you can't cook spaghetti without advanced trigonometry and discrete structural mathematics while wearing a pink stocking on your left foot. So remember, the door is in the middle of the hallway, don't bang your head.

randomsix:
Compete apathy; If it ain't broke, don't fix it. If it is broke, call a plumber.

Tried that once when the ceiling fan got busted. The plumber wasn't too happy about the electrical job...

OT: Democratic socialist. All the pot and sex of the libertarians with the stable economics and good wages that come with well-regulated capitalism.

You cannot convert someone to a political leaning, you already have opinions and your political leaning depends on them. Since you are Canadian chances are you are somewhere from Center Left to Center Right, like most of the developed world outside of America.

Eh...left and right are almost meaningless terms nowdays.

Your stereotypical right winger is about keeping the government out of things that affect them, and in things they don't like, otherwise not caring.

Your stereotypical left winger is about getting the government out of things that affect them, and keeping it in things they don't like, otherwise not caring.

But really, the terms don't work. On more or less every issue there's a side the left is supposed to take and the right takes the other. If you do down the checklist but don't tick all the boxes on the same side, the system falls apart.

Silvianoshei:
Please don't take offense to this, I'm merely being didactic but...

You know what works? Not being lazy, using your brain and forming your own opinions based on fact.

Please, don't fall for the whims of the mob. You have a brain. Use it.

Sincerely,

Academia

Please stop using English to communicate your opinions - the language was formed through billions of its speakers contributing their own ideas to form words. If you want to communicate effectively you'll have to derive your own language.

OT: What are the issues you care about?

But what you should orient yourself like politically is different per country. Around here I vote the most (and only, lol) right wing party, the liberals.
But in Greece I would be in the right wing fringes, and only have one crazy religious fundamentalist country to share my economic views, and those being miles away from my societal views.
But in the US I would be somewhere on the most left wing they have, and probably a bit beyond because of the realism in social matters I show politically. And I wouldn't fit into either party because I'm pro-secular and opposed to any kind of religious oppression.

According to your profile you're from Canada, but to be honest I don't know much about the Canadian political landscape. You could try a point-by-point approach and see which party fits your opinions best. Nobody ever said you have to subscribe to everything in a particular ideology.

Not G. Ivingname:
Be a Libertarian! :D

Ideology: Freedom, small government, and more reliance on yourself

Pros:

Be pro-freedom, including but not limited to pro-gay marriage, pro-gun, pro-free market, and pro-drugs!

Hate the government!

Can't be called a hypocrite for be pro-freedom for something but not another!

Get to be part of the third largest political party in America!

Be free from the archaic strictly Left, Right political spectrum!

Cons:

Cry yourself to sleep as you never see a single Libertarian take office.

Hey! You need to be more specific, man. You'd need to be pro-gay marriage, but anti-legal marriage altogether. If you act like your ok with gays getting all the same priveledges as straights, you're implying that you're ok with anyone having those priveledges in the first place.

Abolish legal marriages!

tstorm823:

Not G. Ivingname:
Be a Libertarian! :D

Ideology: Freedom, small government, and more reliance on yourself

Pros:

Be pro-freedom, including but not limited to pro-gay marriage, pro-gun, pro-free market, and pro-drugs!

Hate the government!

Can't be called a hypocrite for be pro-freedom for something but not another!

Get to be part of the third largest political party in America!

Be free from the archaic strictly Left, Right political spectrum!

Cons:

Cry yourself to sleep as you never see a single Libertarian take office.

Hey! You need to be more specific, man. You'd need to be pro-gay marriage, but anti-legal marriage altogether. If you act like your ok with gays getting all the same priveledges as straights, you're implying that you're ok with anyone having those priveledges in the first place.

Abolish legal marriages!

Ok, I will explain myself better.

I am not one of those "we should ban marriages" guys. Marriage is just a label for a legal contract between two parties to share ownership and legally make each other their next o kin. Why bother with the nightmare of changing the name of these civil unions?

However, I believe that government shouldn't be allowed to define what marriage is, just enforce the marriage contract. I don't even care if it just between just two people of the same gender, but I also don't care if it is between three or eight or what ever set up makes the people involved the most happy.

My overriding policy is thus, you should be able to do it if it doesn't hurt another person. Be allowed to do any drug in your own house, be allowed to own guns and only shoot other people with them in self defense, join any religion or not have a religion, start a business without the worry of steep and confusing regulations, etc.

Be allowed to be yourself, don't have society or the government define how you live your life.

randomsix:
Compete apathy; If it ain't broke, don't fix it. If it is broke, call a plumber.

surely "Compete apathy" would involve floating...

Believe whatever makes sense to you. Don't let a bunch of people on the Internet dictate what you believe in.

Although listening to my advice means you should ignore my advice, thus creating a paradox

Not G. Ivingname:
Be a Libertarian! :D

Cons:
Cry yourself to sleep as you never see a single Libertarian take office.

Don't forget needing to force your religion onto everyone and hopelessly trying to explain the contradiction between demanding to be allowed to do anything yourself, but nothing is allowed for others.

That kind of shoots down most libertarian philosophy, the hypocrisy is too much to bear for any normal human being. That, and not giving a damn about other people.

Blablahb:

Not G. Ivingname:
Be a Libertarian! :D

Cons:
Cry yourself to sleep as you never see a single Libertarian take office.

Don't forget needing to force your religion onto everyone and hopelessly trying to explain the contradiction between demanding to be allowed to do anything yourself, but nothing is allowed for others.

I am an atheist.

Not G. Ivingname:

Be pro-freedom

I really fucking hate when libertarians attempt to claim they are "pro-freedom," thereby implying that people who don't self-identify as libertarians are "anti-freedom."

Then you see that they want businesses to be free to put shit in your food, and if you don't like it then you can simply stop buying their product unless, of course, if it kills you, rather than have, yanno, the evil government tell companies they can't put shit in your food, because free market that's why.

True libertarianism is an incredibly naive philosophy that requires people to be largely good in order for it to function, and is completely unworkable in groups of more than about 50 people.

Not G. Ivingname:
I am an atheist.

Then you are not a libertarian, because advocating some sort of freedom of religious discrimination, oppression and special privilege, as well as using those to suppress others and strip them of their freedom (for example, libertarians being anti-abortion), is inherent to that ideology.

Blablahb:

Not G. Ivingname:
I am an atheist.

Then you are not a libertarian, because advocating some sort of freedom of religious discrimination, oppression and special privilege, as well as using those to suppress others and strip them of their freedom (for example, libertarians being anti-abortion), is inherent to that ideology.

...

Please explain to me where you got that idea? Religion doesn't hold sway and often is outright mocked by many Libertarians. Abortion is hotly debated among Libertarians, but less over religious reasons but more over the rights of mother and rights of the unborn child. That is the only major area Libertarians disagree on.

Tyler Perry:

Not G. Ivingname:

Be pro-freedom

I really fucking hate when libertarians attempt to claim they are "pro-freedom," thereby implying that people who don't self-identify as libertarians are "anti-freedom."

Then you see that they want businesses to be free to put shit in your food, and if you don't like it then you can simply stop buying their product unless, of course, if it kills you, rather than have, yanno, the evil government tell companies they can't put shit in your food, because free market that's why.

True libertarianism is an incredibly naive philosophy that requires people to be largely good in order for it to function, and is completely unworkable in groups of more than about 50 people.

I was meaning pro-freedom in the terms of "freedom in all areas, not just some and not others." As for Libertarianism working or not, that is a debate for another thread. THIS thread is about showing the OP your political ideology and showing why s/he should become what ever you are. Proving me wrong has doesn't prove your position right.

The .50 Caliber Cow:
I have no political inclinations whatsoever. Call me apathetic. You're going to have to win my vote for your cause. So why should I go right, left, center, whatever? What works? Tell me internet.

Moo!

you are Canadian? vote NDP! or green. or even liberals. Whatever you do don't vote conservative. I really hate those guys.

Not G. Ivingname:
Please explain to me where you got that idea? Religion doesn't hold sway and often is outright mocked by many Libertarians. Abortion is hotly debated among Libertarians, but less over religious reasons but more over the rights of mother and rights of the unborn child. That is the only major area Libertarians disagree on.

Every single prominent libertarian holds those views, and that they're opposed to freedom if anything is quite obvious considering the range of topics they want to place essential restrictions on.

What you describe over abortion is just a scam. All that bullshit about the 'rights' of clumps of cells ARE religious reasons. They just wrap it in bullshit because "You'll have the baby of your rapist, because my book full of horrid crimes orders it" is not a popular message.

And you know this too, because from what I've read of you, you're not the kind who can doublethink in a way to say 'yes, force them to have kids' and not realise the consequences of that decision is rather horrid.

Because that's the worst about libertarianism: It's so hypocritical. Not just in doing stuff to others and basically not caring about them, but libertarianism can basically be summed up as "I want to do everything I like, and fuck everybody else".

Blablahb:
Every single prominent libertarian holds those views, and that they're opposed to freedom if anything is quite obvious considering the range of topics they want to place essential restrictions on.

Except for Murray Rothbard, Ludwig von Mises, Henry Hazlitt, Robert Murphy, Walter Block, Tom Woods, Thomas Dilorenzo, Gary Johnson, Hernando de Soto, Peter Schiff, Gary North, Lew Rockwell, David Boaz, anyone at the Ayn Rand Institute, anyone at the Atlas Society, anyone at the Ludwig von Mises Institute, almost anyone at the Cato Institute, almost anyone at the Koch Institute, etc. You are talking out of your ass.

What you describe over abortion is just a scam. All that bullshit about the 'rights' of clumps of cells ARE religious reasons. They just wrap it in bullshit because "You'll have the baby of your rapist, because my book full of horrid crimes orders it" is not a popular message.

It is a scientific issue. You are blinded by rage apparently and speaking in conspiracy theories. Please inform me of your knowledge of libertarian theory. What authors have you read?

Blablahb:

Not G. Ivingname:
Please explain to me where you got that idea? Religion doesn't hold sway and often is outright mocked by many Libertarians. Abortion is hotly debated among Libertarians, but less over religious reasons but more over the rights of mother and rights of the unborn child. That is the only major area Libertarians disagree on.

Every single prominent libertarian holds those views, and that they're opposed to freedom if anything is quite obvious considering the range of topics they want to place essential restrictions on.

What you describe over abortion is just a scam. All that bullshit about the 'rights' of clumps of cells ARE religious reasons. They just wrap it in bullshit because "You'll have the baby of your rapist, because my book full of horrid crimes orders it" is not a popular message.

And you know this too, because from what I've read of you, you're not the kind who can doublethink in a way to say 'yes, force them to have kids' and not realise the consequences of that decision is rather horrid.

Because that's the worst about libertarianism: It's so hypocritical. Not just in doing stuff to others and basically not caring about them, but libertarianism can basically be summed up as "I want to do everything I like, and fuck everybody else".

May I present to you, Penn and Teller, comedians, magicians, and the most famous Libertarians on the planet as the mercilessly destroy the bible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk0K1zgCDtE

Other topics of their show, ''Bullshit,'' include such thing as the vatican, creationism, and even Mother Teresa. They are not very "big" on religion.

People have problems with abortions that are not based on religion. When does the brain feel, when does the heart beat, when does the fetus become human? Should a potential human have rights?

I am pro-choice personally, I consider the baby a part of the mother as long as it is connected and dependent on the mother for life.

Dormin111:

Blablahb:
Every single prominent libertarian holds those views, and that they're opposed to freedom if anything is quite obvious considering the range of topics they want to place essential restrictions on.

Except for Murray Rothbard, Ludwig von Mises, Henry Hazlitt, Robert Murphy, Walter Block, Tom Woods, Thomas Dilorenzo, Gary Johnson, Hernando de Soto, Peter Schiff, Gary North, Lew Rockwell, David Boaz, anyone at the Ayn Rand Institute, anyone at the Atlas Society, anyone at the Ludwig von Mises Institute, almost anyone at the Cato Institute, almost anyone at the Koch Institute, etc. You are talking out of your ass.

What you describe over abortion is just a scam. All that bullshit about the 'rights' of clumps of cells ARE religious reasons. They just wrap it in bullshit because "You'll have the baby of your rapist, because my book full of horrid crimes orders it" is not a popular message.

It is a scientific issue. You are blinded by rage apparently and speaking in conspiracy theories. Please inform me of your knowledge of libertarian theory. What authors have you read?

Hey, haven't seen you in awhile.

Sleekit:

randomsix:
Compete apathy; If it ain't broke, don't fix it. If it is broke, call a plumber.

surely "Compete apathy" would involve floating...

Floating takes too much effort. Sinking is better. Also, calling a plumber is too much work.

Smoke some pot, see how your mind changes, and then report back to me.

Bassik:
Smoke some pot, see how your mind changes, and then report back to me.

Pot's "mind changing" capabilities are on par with getting drunk the night before graduation. If you want an actual life changing experience try acid.

Right, you know spaghetti? Imagine... if it could FLY. And had EYES. And MEATBALLS.
In the beginning, the FSM (Flying Spaghetti Monster) created everything, and a midget too, and he chose pirates as his chosen people. Then something about hookers, the FSM doesn't want his followers to get too caught up in specifics, just follow the 10 I'd-really-rather-you-didn'ts and you'll be drinking from the Beer Volcano in no time.

Popadoo:
Right, you know spaghetti? Imagine... if it could FLY. And had EYES. And MEATBALLS.
In the beginning, the FSM (Flying Spaghetti Monster) created everything, and a midget too, and he chose pirates as his chosen people. Then something about hookers, the FSM doesn't want his followers to get too caught up in specifics, just follow the 10 I'd-really-rather-you-didn'ts and you'll be drinking from the Beer Volcano in no time.

he was talking about politically, not religiously, but you were probably to busy copying and pasting this "witty" to even bother reading the OP.

PercyBoleyn:

Bassik:
Smoke some pot, see how your mind changes, and then report back to me.

Pot's "mind changing" capabilities are on par with getting drunk the night before graduation. If you want an actual life changing experience try acid.

I prefer PCP, since it will change your life in more ways then one.

The .50 Caliber Cow:
I have no political inclinations whatsoever. Call me apathetic. You're going to have to win my vote for your cause. So why should I go right, left, center, whatever? What works? Tell me internet.

We're not dancing monkeys here to entertain you. If you're apathetic, then you should really just stay out of the way of people who have bothered to inform themselves. It's not our job to just make you care.

keiskay:

Popadoo:
Right, you know spaghetti? Imagine... if it could FLY. And had EYES. And MEATBALLS.
In the beginning, the FSM (Flying Spaghetti Monster) created everything, and a midget too, and he chose pirates as his chosen people. Then something about hookers, the FSM doesn't want his followers to get too caught up in specifics, just follow the 10 I'd-really-rather-you-didn'ts and you'll be drinking from the Beer Volcano in no time.

he was talking about politically, not religiously, but you were probably to busy copying and pasting this "witty" to even bother reading the OP.

PercyBoleyn:

Bassik:
Smoke some pot, see how your mind changes, and then report back to me.

Pot's "mind changing" capabilities are on par with getting drunk the night before graduation. If you want an actual life changing experience try acid.

I prefer PCP, since it will change your life in more ways then one.

I'm offended that you think I would simply copy and paste such comedic genius, but on the other hand I have indeed made a fool of myself for not properly reading OP. I apologize.

Remember, it is better to die for the emporer than live for yourself

Not G. Ivingname:

I was meaning pro-freedom in the terms of "freedom in all areas, not just some and not others." As for Libertarianism working or not, that is a debate for another thread. THIS thread is about showing the OP your political ideology and showing why s/he should become what ever you are. Proving me wrong has doesn't prove your position right.

No such a thing. Some freedoms are mutually exclusive. Your freedom to murder mars my freedom to live. Your freedom to pollute waterways for a buck mars my freedom to enjoy clean water.

There's no such a thing as a 'totally free' society, at least again of more than like 50 people. It's great to have the ideal of freedom guide you, but taking an ideal and slamming on the gas until you fly off a cliff is what makes people call libertarians childish.

Proving you wrong might not prove me right, but it sure as shit should make you stop making the same wrong claims over and over. But you don't.

randomsix:
Compete apathy; If it ain't broke, don't fix it. If it is broke, call a plumber.

Wouldn't apathy imply that you don't call a plumber and just silently drown in a pile of your own shit?

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