Creationism? In my school? It's more likely than you think if you live in Tennesee. Pages 1 2 3 NEXT | |
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Link no wurk gud. Me try fix: Anti-Evolution 'Monkey Bill' Poised To Become Law In Tennessee (And ninja'ed. Oh well.) What's to say? This is exactly the same BS Creationists try to pull EVERY time they get the chance: They know they can't win at science, since it requires actual facts, so they have to win at politics, which requires only yelling a lot. | |
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It remains to be seen if that can be upheld in court. If you hire a biology teacher, his job is to teach biology. When he teaches creationism, he's not doing his job, and is disfunctioning. Disfunctioning is a valid grounds to sack someone. Alternatively it can be played over that creationism is not criticism on a theory, but pseudo-science and political propaganda, not covered in this law. Although, knowing the poor quality of judges in the US, they probably won't follow that perfectly airtight reasoning. Under this law, race theory after all must be able to be taught. From that you could get an interesting test trial. See if that law is upheld. If it's not, then creationism has a precedent set against it under that law. | |
Considering creationism is the exact opposite of a scientific theory and it's impossible to teach it without lying to some extent, IT HAS NO FUCKING PLACE IN SCHOOLS! Or at least that's my opinion. How would you handle it Overlord Laharl? | |
Lordy, lordy. Pff, I'd like to see that bill passed. Just so I could go get a job at a local high-school, and start teaching another religious origin story. I'd be kicked out so fast my head would spin. | |
More likely than I think? I already thought it was pretty damn likely, especially in Tennessee. And that's horrible. Like stealing 40 cakes. | |
Given that it's Bible Belt midwest/south, I find that highly likely. I find integrals offensive and confusing. Can I have those removed from math class? Math is a science, after all. | |
Forty cakes? That's as many as four tens. And that's terrible. OT: I'd like to have a chance to read through the text of the bill, however, before I comment on it. | |
He'd probably either bribe or beat up legislators until his bill passed, of course. I want to see some teacher railing against the 'Round Earth Theory', myself. :D | |
Didn't the Supreme Court already rule that nobody can teach this crap in school? If put infront of judicial review, I doubt this law will stand | |
Nah, the Creationists think they're being 'smart' about this. Rather than try to push Creationism _directly_ (to which the Supremes have definitively said 'nope'), they're just trying to tear down Evolution, since if enough people don't believe in Evolution... um, Darwin's undead spirit will have to return to Hell or something, I guess. | |
Fucking Lex Luthor, stealing cakes and shit. OT: I'm torn on my feelings on my home state. On one hand, we're part of the South, which means more gun rights. On the other hand, we're part of the Bible Belt, which means we get shit like this that makes the more normal among us look bad. | |
They generally look for backdoors to teach it. Also, the state legislatures who try to pass this shit will usually say something about how the court is more conservative now so maybe it will pass. That sort of thing. The newest attempts are simply to weaken science standards to give kids the false impression that scientific theories = teenage fads. That and to give students elective course credit for taking optional, after hours classes on creationism to get out of biology class. | |
I'm ecstatic! Now I can teach kids that Lord Zetta and I made the universe by going back in time and writing inside him and if anyone objects I can just erase them from existence! | |
I so want to take Scrying and Alchemy, the sound like such fun classes, can't they at least be electives? Teach the controversy! Doppler Radar sucks if you wan to know the chance o rain pour water in a gold bowl and rake it with this fucking blessed stick and that shit will ripple and if it looked kinda like a unicorn that mean rain! But if it look like a Gremlin watch out that means Tornadoes! | |
It's stupid, but I hardly see it as the end of the world. The most it'll mean is that the kids don't learn much about evolution. I doubt it'll change what the kids believe, since any worthwhile parent will teach their kids one or the other anyway. | |
I'm sure the NCSE is already on it... And, yep... they are. | |
It's illegal for one thing. Public schools are secular. It is a place you go to learn facts, not superstition. If you want to learn about religion, go to church. For another, you say worthwhile parents. What about he ones who are God-bots? Because there are a lot of those in Tennessee. | |
This will pass, be challenged, be struck down, and more of the tax-payers money will be wasted. Why does this happen? As Scott Adams put it
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I like how they think Dinosaurs were planted here by god to test their faith. I always thought god could do better than giant lizards. I was going to try to pull the wool over someones eyes as a scientist, I wouldn't pick Dinosaurs to do it. I like how we have all this proof and all they can do is use the god excuse. if you can't explain something, use god as a way out. | |
Their God is a mean one. | |
Ever notice how often deities enjoy trolling people? | |
I've often thought that The Sims was a window into the mind of God were it to exist. | |
Sure, but at least the Greek gods didn't insist they were omnibenevolent when they did it. | |
Now, if the spirit was the same as the letter of the law, then it'd be ok. After all, I'm all for objective criticism and considering of anything science does. However, this is absolutely not how this bill would be used. It speaks about how it would only be OK if the criticism was done objectively. The biggest issue is that determining what is an objective manner is entirely subjective. | |
It's wrong from your perspective (and mine) but it's not that bad. If the schools don't teach kids about evolution, and the parents don't teach kids about evolution, then it's up to society and the kids themselves to teach/learn such things. I was never taught religion by anyone, but I've went out of my way to learn bits and pieces. I would argue, if you're not willing to go out of your way to learn these things, then it mustn't be that important to you. | |
No it is objectively wrong to teach creation in a science classroom just like it is objectively wrong to teach the entirely secular Ancient Aliens in a class room or conspiracy theories like 9/11 being planed by the government in history. Schools should teach facts, if you want to mention that you do not have to believe in such facts and that X group denies such fact fine but do not teach their inane ideas on class. | |
This. Is. Retarded. You know what? How about I get a job as a teacher in Tennessee and start teaching that earth is actually on the back of a curled up cosmic space turtle, and that those who identify with the right wing have been proven to have smaller brains? I mean, TECHNICALLY I'm ok to do that, right? I mean...Gosh...Technically, under this law you could teach that 1 + 1 = 7 if you wanted! That's not "Educational freedom". It's just stupid! X_X | |
I still fail to understand how anyone can think that genesis is a story to be taken literally instead of an analogy for the 'gift' or discovery of agriculture. I mean seriously, If I was god would you tell ancient and primitive humanity that they are the result of millions of years of successful breeding? Hell no that would blow their primitive minds into pink goo. Hence we must continue to teach blind creationism, to protect the primitive minds of the unevolved people residing in Tennesee. :) | |
You realise that's how support for persecution and oppression is created right? Because if people know better, they can't support it. On the other hand, if a load of people grow up ignorant of biology and being taught creationism in church, why not persecute biologists who dare spread heretical lies? | |
Awful. I'm really starting to get annoyed with how much the USA's states can get away with despite Federal rulings by working around those rulings, clearly violating the intent of the ruling but not the literal word. But I guess that's one of the things that make the USA so different from other federal countries. Our Bundesländer are on many issues relatively independent (including education, actually), but they could never get away with anything like this. | |
What part of, "It's illegal," was not made clear to you?
Because of course, that always works. Yup, no way that can go wrong. Bullshit. The purpose of school is to educate. Just because you can't be fucked to care about the dismal state of American education doesn't mean I have to join in your self-destructive, myopic apathy. | |
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http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/04/04/457312/anti-evolution-monkey-bill-poised-to-become-law-in-tennessee/?mobile=nc">So there's this new creationism bill about to be passed in Tennesee. Oh sorry. I meant "educational freedom" bill being passed that conveniently allows teachers to teach the "strengths and weaknesses" of scientific theories. What are you guys' thoughts on this? Also please don't quote me unless you're directly replying to something I've said. My inbox is full enough as it is.