Now good people who follow Jesus go to Heaven, but from what we know good people who don't follow Jesus don't go, however if you are bad but believe in Jesus you still go to Hell. God is Love. He gives us all the choice instead of making us slaves.
You honestly call that choice? Believe in me or go to hell?
I know it doesn't sound good or loving at first, but considering that it is not hard to be a Christian all, he's not asking for much.
It's pretty hard to be a Christian when you don't believe in God, that's not something you choose. I can't just choose to believe in something I don't think exists, it doesn't work like that.
I'd imagine it's pretty hard to be Christian if you believe in other gods too. What happens to these people?
...Please don't encourage him.
Probably one of the biggest reason I'm confused by religion is that people who are religious keep telling me different things about it, even if they're from the same religion. I just want to understand that's all, whether or not I believe after understanding is irrelevant to me.
I completely agree that the Bible is full of, well, crap, but I don't believe we need to get rid of it, of course that is because I am a Christian and I see it(though very flawed) a very Holy Book.
...Not getting any cognitive dissonance here? It's a holy book, dealing with a god that cannot lie and knows everything, and yet is chock-full of serious misinformation, on everything from our origin to the way to the value of women in society to how to cure leprosy. Hell, that last one alone could've saved thousands upon thousands of lives if we had been given it... But we were given a method which was completely wrong.
God does test us but does not trick and or set us up to fail. You used Abraham and Issac as an example and while it may seem like a trick, it is more of a test. He told him to sacrifice his son to him because he wanted to test, not his faith, which is belief, but his loyalty and obedience. When the knife came down and angel of the Lord caught his hand and the Lord explained why he wanted him to do this. Now, whether or not that is a trick can be debated and I don't want to do that, however God has not set us up to fail but the Devil does. The Lord does not let any temptation or hardship come upon us that we cannot reject and handle,James 1:13,1 Corinthians 10:13. The Devil or Lucifer is the one who tempts and tricks us.
Look I am very sorry if the whole death thing scared you and i think i wrote that wrong .I can't wait to meet God but death actually scares me. I'm sorry if it seems that i am trying to convert you or something but I am not. I follow Jesus's teachings and I have a very open mind. If you can't tell already I am nothing like the idiot fundamentalist. Lets agree to disagree on the issues of faith and Religion, but let us agree that this Bill is wrong and should not be passed anywhere. I can think of all kinds of ways that, if passed, our education can get seriously, pardon my language, fucked up, and it's not like it's not fucked up all ready.
The story of Abraham and Isaac is actually very, very problematic for the entire concept of an unchanging god that cannot lie (did he lie when he said he wanted Abraham to sacrifice his son, or did he change his mind?) for an assortment of reasons, but hatever, I'll agree to drop this point. What I won't drop is "god sets us up for failure" bit. The garden of eden, the existence of Satan in the first place, the hardening of Pharaoh's heart, and the book of Job all seem to run contrary to this idea. But that's kind of another thread altogether...
I do not believe that God planted bones of Dinosaurs to test or trick us for that would be a lie and,Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? Dinosaurs roamed either before or with man.
Good, because that line of thinking is fucking retarded, and I mean all kinds of offense to the Christians who think that way. They deserve to be mocked for their patently ludicrous beliefs.
As for the day thing, um, I didn't twist the words and make them fit. God told Moses and Job(the ones believed to have written most of the Old Testament or Law) how long it took him to create the Earth. It took a total of 6 day where he rested on the 7th, but later in the Bible we find out that God's time is not like ours, 2 Peter 3:8-9 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Look I have no idea how long it took or how old the universe and Earth are other than scientist estimates, but considering God's time, I bet it wasn't 6 days
All right, so now you have not 6 days, but 6000 years. You're still off by a factor of nearly 1,000,000. And that's assuming that Peter is speaking literally and not figuratively. Sure, you could say that this means that what god means by a "day" is malleable, but that seems like a very weak explanation; the Genesis account could mean anything. But hey, let's credit you and say that one of god's days is a few hundred million years. Even then, if you look through the Genesis account, it still makes no sense! It took a hell of a lot longer to go from "the stars are here" to "the earth is here". The creation of the world took longer than the creation of life. And even if that were hand-waved away, it still wouldn't explain the ass-backwards order! We know that the sun existed before the earth. We know that the moon existed before plants did. There is simply no bringing the genesis account into harmony with reality. It does not, and cannot work.
Either way it does not matter because we will all find out in the end. I look forward to that day because, well, just think of all the questions we can never answer and things we will never understand on Earth that will be answered and will be understandable in Heaven. I know I might sound crazy or something but it sound rather exciting. God Bless my friend and have a good many days.
A lovely little death cult you have there. No seriously, look at what you're saying closely. "I can't wait until we all die." Christianity scares the shit out of me.
So what happens to those of us who do not have Jesus in our heart, or have the slightest intention of finding him?
...Please don't encourage him.
I agree with you on one thing though, Jesus is one hell of a role model, help the poor, rich men have no place in heaven.... clever dude
Kill the gays, enslave the darkies, repress women.
Yeah, great guy.
Absolutely nowhere in the Bible does the character of Jesus Christ ever espouse any of these things. Shit, I'm an atheist and I know that.
The asteroid theorised as a reason for the mass extinction of dinosaurs is merely a theory, it could also have been a mega volcano on the giant land mass the existed at the time before the tectonic plates shifted the land mass apart.
Sigh. *Gravity* is "merely a theory". The Killer Asteroid is a *hypothesis*, and there's a fair bit of corroborating evidence: The huge crater that makes up the Gulf of Mexico, a layer of iridium (very rare on earth) dust in the right strata...
Well, he didn't say they had no place in Heaven, he just said it would be hard. He said it would as hard as getting a camel through the eye of a needle. Now, most people hear that and think well then it must be impossible because I can barely get string through a needle, but that's is not what Jesus was talking about. Jesus lived 2,000 years ago in the middle east. Most cities, if big enough, had walls and gates to protect from invaders. A needle was a passageway people or fighters could get through and escape. The eye of a needle is a rather small opening to the passage that a person at average height would have to hunch over to get through. Now, to get a camel through this you'd have to get it on its knees and crawl through. Very difficult but not impossible.
This guy says you're wrong.
The Eye of the Needle was too small for a camel to walk through - particularly if that camel was laden with worldly goods. If the other gates were closed, however, it could be managed. First, everything had to be taken off of the camel. Then the beast would be made to kneel, almost to crawl, to duck through the tiny gate. And then, on the other side, it could again stand up and everything could be put back on the camel.
So, OK, back to 1990.
"Where's the 'Eye of the Needle' gate?" I asked.
Tony laughed. "Always, always Americans are asking to see this Eye of the Needle gate. There is no such gate. I do not know where this idea comes from."
Where does this idea come from? Like most urban legends, it's an appealing, colorful story. But it is a bit strange that such a story should become so prominent among people who are so devotedly committed to a "literal" reading of the Bible. A literal reading here seems too disturbing - an actual camel could never pass through the actual eye of an actual needle - so the legend provides some comfort.
The key I think is the end of the story, after everything is taken off the camel's back and it is made to crawl through the legendary narrow gate. Then everything is put back on the camel.
That's what we want to hear. That's what guarantees that this urban legend will continue and that, for years to come, American tourists in Jerusalem will be asking to see the Eye of the Needle Gate.