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Reporting and moving on. PS: I'm sure we just had about half a dozen threads like this. | |
Well, at least this was a obvious troll. Everyone, you know what to do. Set tasers to report. | |
No I am in a online debate on objective morality so I figured answer from the horses mouth would be more accurate. | |
No I am in a online debate on objective morality so I figured answer from the horses mouth would be more accurate. | |
"Morality" is also not evidence of God's existence as morality has no necessary input from a supernatural being as described in the opening argument as being "God". Morality is not a universal law of any sort. Is this accurate is all I need to know? | |
By saying we have subjective morals, and acknowledging them as such. It doesn't take a great leap of thought or empathy to get that. | |
I'll bite. By having subjective morals. The most reliable foundation for a moral code that I've found is to take the idea behind the Golden Rule and build from there, also incorporating certain physical realities into it. For example, the laws of thermodynamics and certain insights people have had on order, chaos, and complexity provide a framework for a healthy work ethic, and also even partially answer the Meaning of Life question, while also encouraging one to stop hoping for a better life after this one, and make this life better instead. It takes a bit of work to approach morality this way but I find it more reliable and less prone to contradiction than a set of absolute laws. | |
I just want to know if that is accurate description(lose votes for being wrong). | |
Atheists can believe in objective morality, I do for example. Generally, we atheists follow the principle of the "golden rule", treating others how we would like to be treated as that leads to a happier society for us to live in. However it is worth noting that atheism is only the lack of belief in God, there is no core set of beliefs or values that every atheist follows. | |
We are taught morals, just like we are taught how to speak. We as infants observe what people around us does. Also some of them are instincts, like caring for the young. On a sidenote, your avatar would seem a bit strange to someone not familiar with christianity, | |
That is another point I am having trouble finding an answer for. Like you said no core set of rules values etc how or why do you guys determine the differences. | |
If what is an accurate description? What I just said? Or are you asking other readers to judge what I just said? | |
10 quid says that this is Killuminati using another account. | |
I have basic understanding of christianity but I am no scholar on the subject | |
There's this thing called a "brain" between our ears. We don't need someone else to tell us what's right or wrong. | |
It can easily be attributed to any "social group" that seems false | |
You're not going to get much of a consensus beyond that here. Atheists agree on very little. Even on the one thing that, by definition, we believe unanimously, we disagree widely (and loudly) on how far it is reasonable to go in doubting or denying the existence of a god. We don't have any simple answers for you, only walls of text all saying different things. So saying simply that we use subjective morality and base a lot of it off the golden rule is the best you're going to get here, but that's still probably not true for all of us. | |
Dunno, I guess "good" actions don't cause harm to others, "bad" actions do cause harm. That's how I generally tell the difference. Of course it gets a lot more complicated when you bring in factors like punishment or self-defence, where harm is required for a greater good.
??? Sorry, no idea what that means. Edit: Damn, OP banned, I was quite enjoying this debate. Why exactly was he banned, is he a ban-jumper or something? | |
If I believed something to the point where I based my morals on it, you better believe i'd be a scholar of the subject | |
Multiple low content threads of the same nature (one that could be interpreted as talking back to the mods), triple posting (above), and other behavior that suggested a troll-ish nature (new account, low post numbers with multiple thread creations). Better to nip it in the bud and apply the appeal process than let it run rampant. | |
I don't think it's "atheists" but do "people" have morals that aren't different per person. I live my life by one rule, which is; -Do what it takes to be happy while avoiding intentionally harming people. I was told this was the correct way to live my life and avoid trouble, so I've followed this rule. I mean really, if you're going by someone else's rules without using your own thought to determine whether you believe it's right or wrong, then really you're just following instructions aren't you. The concept of right and wrong is so arbitrary anyway, people seem to make more exceptions and gray areas that it almost seems funny. Does following an instruction deemed *good* make you a moral man/woman, despite the fact you don't agree with the instructions you're following? | |
I think hardlymotivated just won his bet... | |
I'm an atheist. I have morals. Question answered. . . . That was remarkably simple. | |
nope, no matter what they tell you man they are all just godless baby eaters pretending to be moral upright citizens. they are all demons made flesh!!!! /sarcasm | |
Banned before I could even completely ruin the thread by talking about something tangentially related. Darn. | |
Five warnings but a permban without an offending post being indicated means he must've been a clone indeed. Glad I didn't take you up on that. ;-) | |
No. We don't follow a religion, ergo we are all homicidal sociopaths. We love to rape people, ruin the lives of minorities of ethnicity, orientation, and faith, and slaughter children. Wait...that's all stuff in the Bible! | |
Really? If it was Killuminati, he certainly seemed to be being a lot more... I dunno, reasonable and polite. Yeah there was a lot about religion, but nothing seemed to be deliberately antagonistic, there wasn't any Tea Party stuff being bandied about - and people can say troll all they like, but it seems like an interesting question from an outsider's perspective, could have turned into an interesting discussion. I was looking forward to it when I saw the topic. Oh well, Moving on! | |
ive got more respect for an athiest who chooses to be a good decent person because to them thats all the encouragement they need rather than someone who is god because of a reward after life or fear of punishment | |
Don't forget that Richard Dawkins teaches us to enslave other people if possible, that those slaves may never rebel against their atheist masters and you can even sell your own daughter as a sex slave. Of course if we don't like it at all, Darwin has taught us that we can simply exterminate any city with at least one believer in it, as long as we kill every living human being in it, and the animals too. (bonus points for who can point the bible books I sarcastically paraphrased that from without looking them up) | |
Yeah... they are not so much morals but our fucking DNA... Skip most of it if your busy, and go to 12:30 and have a look at the end to see what happens when you unequally pay two monkey's. Its funny and shows us that we have "morals" in our fucking dna from being animals... you know... evolution and all that... | |
Deuteronomy? If not then damn close as thats the one with "kill all the non-believers" in it.
Genesis... although isn't it "I shall not destroy a town if it has but 10 good people in it" Therefore he told the good family to leave (though God turned the guys wife to salt because all women are evil enchantresses) So 9 in it and boom, they are all acceptable Collateral Damage... apparently >.> | |
that video was really interesting, thanks for sharing it | |
Very much so, yes. | |
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Without objective morality how can atheist claim to have morals ?
No I am in a online debate on objective morality so I figured answer from actual atheist would be more accurate.