Austistic child Humiliated and Tormented by his Teacher and Aide Pages 1 2 NEXT | |
http://youtu.be/tfkscHt96R0 Could you provide some more information about the thing you're talking about? | |
If they acted unprofessionally, then they should be fired... that's about it. | |
I'm watching it right now, quite sickening to hear the recordings of these horrible women. They should not be fired, they should be destroyed. Will update when done listening. EDIT: I was right. those women are just horrible, talking about their drunken escapades in front of a bunch of autistic children, calling the poor kid a bastard for looking at the sculptures in the library instead of reading, reducing him to tears by taunting him, yelling at him because he is crying... my god. I would kill these women. I would. | |
thats beyond vile, these animals need to not only be fired but it made sure that they are never given a teaching position ever again | |
There are very few times I would honestly visit violence upon a human being. The case where gay kids were bullied to death by the teachers in Minnesota was one. This is the other. I agree 100%. Those women are human scum. | |
Well that's rather unpleasant. Everyone who knew that was going on should have been out of a job. I'm usually a rather forgiving sort of person, but... no. Sack them all. | |
Can't believe this was allowed to happen. | |
Clearly these teachers are not human. The child should be sent to school with a large flashlight, for creatures such as these fear the light and have probably stolen all the building's light bulbs.
No, they should be ground up and used as chum for sharks, if the sharks don't spit them back out | |
Yeah, I watched the video now. This is pretty damn bad. I really don't have too much else to say to this, except I hope they get fired or at least severely disciplined (not just this Jodi-person but the others as well). Hell, scratch that, they need to be removed from any sorts of teaching position forever and possibly punished for child abuse. By the way, please give us a bit more info in any future thread OPs you decide to make. A really short summary of the video would suffice, for example. | |
Wait, I just realized, we all know who this reminds us of, right?
Shit! Someone get the Dark Brotherhood! | |
How dumb. "He's never been violent". No, in a sheltered house with two people he knows, his parents, he hasn't, yes. Then they put an autist kid into a group of 20-30 strangers and a load more sensory input, and he's surprised it goes wrong? And that guy calls himself a parent? Anyway, if it really went too far, beyond what can be explained by a teacher without training to handle such a kid, being driven mad by an out of control autistic kid, then of course something should be done. But whatever the case, it struck me how much the father sought the sole explanation in blaming others. This sort of incident is likely to happen more often as his son grows up. | |
Did you watch the video? The teacher told a 10 year old autistic boy that he wouldn't get to see his father again, hell you could make a normal 10 year old cry by telling them that, I cannot begin to imagine what it would do to the mind of an autistic child. Talking about your drinking problem in front of the kids, unprofessional, yelling at the kids, unprofessional. Mentally tormenting the kids, plain evil. It is not like they don't know they are dealing with autistic children, they are fully aware of the fragile mental state of the kids. | |
Have you even seen the little film, man?
It never went wrong on schools before with the kid, and a behaviour specialist was brought in to see what was going on, but even in provoking scenario's, the kid did not attack.
Except this was on a school for kids like this. We are not talking about an out of control autistic kid here. For god's sake man, the women were talking about their drunk escapades in front of the class! They were calling him names and were bullying him. Not correcting him, but bullying him.
Because, if you saw the film, and read the news article about it, you would understand that it is indeed the teachers who are at fault here. | |
I'll hold your coat and provide encouragement and energy drinks. | |
TLDR'ed most of it. It looked unprofessional, but we don't know what went on there outside of those soundbites. Like I said: teachers can and have been driven mad by out of control mentally challenged pupils. They cross the line, and suddenly they're the big bad guys. Typically, severely autistic children are sent to special needs schools with staff trained specifically for that sort of thing. To name you a concrete example: they put stickers which say "Is the door closed? If the door is not closed, close it" on the doors, because otherwise autistic children will just go "No, the door is not closed" and walk away because the connection between observation and required reaction doesn't come naturally. I'm going to be very cautious assigning blame in a scenario which has been shown before to be caused by other factors, where a teacher is meant to do a job they're not trained to do, probably also being overburdened by having both a full class and an autistic child that needs special care.
Not being obsessed with jumping on bandwagons based on a few soundbites and pointing fingers of blame. Bite me. | |
Really? He has been a father of him for ten years and has been with other school districts that obviously gave him no trouble. Seriously, you're blaming the father? The father is completely innocent. Bullying is the issue not the parents. This man is probably the bravest I have ever seen to do this for his son.
My god, do you have any sympathy whatsoever. If you aren't going to watch the video, leave. It's people like you and Michael Savage that say it is the parents' fault for them misbehaving that make me a cynical and antipathical person towards the human race. And to think that they were "driven mad" by the students. Are you kidding me? My sister works with Autistic children everyday and she may be stressed but she does not harm the child whatsoever. I may have Asperger's but I never drove any teachers mad. And I can see you didn't watch the video because you said it was part of a regular class. No, it wasn't. He was part of an IEP classroom with other mentally challenged students like himself. Mods, I'm sorry about this but this response from him was just completely inexcusable. | |
All it takes to set you off crazy is a single dissenting opinion that refuses to jump on a bandwagon, and notices that the father seems quite good at assigning blame outside of himself. If you're that emotional, how do you know for certain others aren't affected by you? If one dissenting opinion on the internet sets you off like that, how do you behave towards people around you more often? Maybe you should read my post and make an effort to understand the point I'm making before you launch into some crazy rant that quotes me, but doesn't look like it's responding to what I wrote at all. I'd also recommend developing some critical thinking. You're jumping to conclusion based on a few soundbites provided by a subjective force who's also giving comment in between, while you know nothing of the background and history. For all you know that guy in the video is lying and his son has attacked teachers before. Can you know what went on for certain? No, you can't. So should anyone jump on a bandwagon after seeing that video? No, they shouldn't. | |
This response makes a lot of sense IF the recordings of the son being mocked and yelled at by teachers didnt completely support the udea that it WAS someone elses fault! Didnt you even watch the video?! He says he attended 6 months of counseling and teacher meetings, the teachers lied when directly addressed with the question "do you ever tell him to shut his mouth and yell at him? That might make it worse" despite the recordings showing this multiple times. The rule is simple. If it gets so stressfull for you to do your job properly you step out. Until you can. Instantly. You are working with children who are going to be hard to work with. If that starts compromising your ability to do your job properly and give those kids the attention they need you take a break and stop teaching. Imagine if i treated an elderly person like this because their inability to do things "drove me crazy". It would be unnacceptable. Im going to meet you half way and say that those teachers may have fucking stressfull lives. And that such an outburst MIGHT have real motivation behind it that isnt malicious. However thats still a critical job failure and it still isnt acceptable. Whatever happens outside work, no matter how hard it gets you do your gorram job. And you do it well. Especially when kids are involved. Always. Its not easy. But thats what you apply for. And if you cant take it quit. The teachers should be reprimanded for their actions. They are never acceptable. I mean EVEN if he was violent does yelling at an angry autistic child diffuse the situation? Is it proffessional? No. It is not. Im not going to jump on a hate bandwagon. I never do. I wont wish death on these people. I dont want them fired forever or what have you. Im just commenting that the actions i heard were not acceptable toward a child. Ever. Sure we all make mistakes. But we take the consequences. It was unproffessional. I cant comment on the entire history but there can be no justification. And seriously the sound byte where he says "Do i see daddy again?" and she says "No you cant see" just to hurt him was well... extremely unproffessional. No excuse for this really. You dont behave like that in a work place and keep your job. What was done was totally unnacceptable. Watch the video. Seriously. It addresses and refutes all of your points. | |
Maybe you should watch the whole video and read the whole article. To admit that you didn't read the whole thing and then demand that your opinion be taken seriously? Really? | |
I agree with Vornoff wholeheartedly. If you gloss over the video, your opinion is invalid. | |
As someone with a severely autistic brother, this makes me physically ill with anger. And Blab, you pretty much went off the deep end with your utterly idiotic comment blaming the father. You have no clue what the fuck you're talking about. At all. | |
A dissenting opinion? How can you have an opinion if you didn't even watch the video? Oh and I act just fine around people. I never act like this in real life. As for the bandwagon, should anyone jump on your bandwagon that these people were just driven mad by their job. No, that's ludicrous. And to think he is just lying for attention? All he wants is an apology. If he wanted money, I would assume otherwise. He wants an apology and them fired which he should get from this situation. Oh yeah, some soundbites straight from the culprits' mouths aren't good enough. Ha! If they are good enough for Nixon, they are good enough for teachers. And there would be no way he would fake them. This man definitely cares for his son and to fake this sound bite would require torturing his son. | |
My brother kinda went through the same thing, but the teacher in question refused to put him in a special needs class where he should have been, but instead kept him in her class and made his life hell. Even calling him a retard in front of every body because he was having a hard time reading. I'm pretty damn pissed off after watching that video now. I hate people like her. | |
What article? It's a youtube video. Which I saw in large part. The teachers sounded unprofessional, but since you're also jumping on me for not jumping on the bandwagon: were you there? Do you know if that recording is true? What the father claims accurate? Do you know what happened over the course of months and months before that moment? Didn't think so.
No, because everything that you see on the internet is always true, and every youtube movie is always holy truth. People have never been deceived over the internet, and it has never in history occured that there were two sides to a story... | |
What's really sad is when I saw the topic I assumed you were taking about a similar story I read about a year ago about a similar situation involving teachers bullying an autistic girl. I don't doubt that these are rare situations. I don't doubt that most people who work with special needs children in the US put enormous amounts of work and energy into doing their best for their students. But at the same time, I am not surprised there are bad apples in the system. Because look at how we evaluate success in the classroom- it all comes down to standardized tests. And in that environment, is it any surprise that horrible, abusive people are going to slip through the cracks? America is in dire need of education reform. | |
Okay, how can you trust news sources? They are on the internet. Does that mean they are likely to be false? It's also not difficult to actually watch the video. Don't be a hypocrite and say we need to cool off when you don't even watch the video. http://now.msn.com/now/0424-teacher-bullies-autistic-boy.aspx You want information. There's your information. Now watch the video. | |
This stuff happens way too much, and good on this dad for taking action, and keeping his status of being a stand up guy while trying to get justice fore his son. It is not an easy thing for parents to do. | |
So you're not believing it thinking that the recordings aren't enough evidence and would like more before you believe him alright. But you think that he is just a bad parent trying to shift the blame based on what? Oh that's right nothing. Watch the video the recording and the fact that one of the people was fired because of this should set off the alarm of 'Maybe this is true' the only thing he wants is for the other people to step forward and deal with the consequences there being no other reason for him to do this it isn't for money it is for his son. | |
I get what you're saying about autistic children having the capacity to cause problems for teachers, primarily because I saw it happen plenty of times during my school years. Now, this was just at regular, Australian public schools (primary and secondary), but no teacher ever reacted in a similar manner to this, and were capable of dealing with it, albeit with some difficulties. The father states that it's a class full of children like his son (I forget whether it was all autistic or just a variety of disorders, it's not important), and as such the teachers, and especially the aides, should be well equipped to handle autistic children. Clearly this person was not. For that reason, she should be fired. I'm not going to declare her a scum-of-the-earth shit like lots of people are, because I don't feel I have enough information to make that judgement. But it is abundantly clear that she is unable to perform her job, and should not continue to do so unless she does some further training. I'm not sure about the situation of primary school teachers in the US, but I do feel in Australia that there is a far too low a barrier of entry into primary teaching. Don't get me wrong, some of my teachers were brilliant, lovely, intelligent people who were able to get the best out of me, but others were just fucking morons, and there are some people I know now who are studying to be a primary teacher, and who I would not feel confident with them teaching my future child. TL,DR: I think blablahb has a point of sorts, he's just presented it in the most inflammatory and divisive manner possible. | |
I can stop you here, and TL;DR the rest of your inane drivel, because you said it yourself: They are the fucking bad guys. I have no, zero, none, nada sympathy for people who take a job which requires a standard of behaviour, then try to blame those they are responsible for when they fail to meet that standard. THEY failed. THEY took it upon themselves to bully a child. If you can't see how wrong that is, I hope to fuck you're sterile, because the idea of you being in any type of authority over a child is terrifying. | |
Just people playing America's favorite game, Kick the Autistic. *Sigh*
If I recall correctly, my wizardly friend, he said his wife uses an IUD.
So what else is new? | |
Wait... So you're complaining about people making judgements on poor evidence having judgementally sounded off at great length about the parents and stuff on even less? Nor is it like you haven't sounded off on the basis of poorly sourced internet articles when it's a bandwagon you've liked in other threads. I'm afraid brass-necked bombast is not an adequate replacement for logical consistency. | |
Don't bullshit me. Since you didn't even watch the video, you know even less than I do. Yet you seem to think you have enough information to make a decision blaming the father. Again, don't bullshit me. You couldn't be fucked to do any research on this, so don't presume to lecture me. If you are going to point to a source and say, "TL;DR" without the slightest hint of irony, then your opinion is going to be written off as worthless. Don't like it? Then do your homework like a good boy.
Why do you assume that people are only disagreeing with you because they're emotional? Tone down the arrogance and get over yourself. You're not as smart as you think you are. | |
As someone with two who can't even talk properly, I know exactly how you feel. We found bruises on my elder brother last month. The inquiry is still ongoing. They were not the kind of bruises you can get by accident. Just because of that, mum's been freaking out and crying when she thinks no-one's around and all sorts. It's fucked up our home life and made us all paranoid. It is not that difficult to deal with autistic kids. These people are awful, and far too common in this industry. The most basic thing is to always be calm. Any kind of anger shown towards them is only bounced right back 10-fold. Blah, you're insensitive and you don't know what you're talking about. I can't believe you said what you just said. Why would this guy lie? | |
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So I just saw this video a few minutes ago and it really pissed me off how some teachers could get away with this. So my fellow escapists what do you think of this situation? What do think of teachers getting ten year?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tfkscHt96R0
^link here since I obviously have no idea how to embed