Is the Republican Party dying?
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So, towards the end of Bush's term, the elections, and the beginning of Obama's term, the Republican party has been acting increasingly... Erratic. It's laughing madly as it begins to fall off the slippery slope. I'm honestly wondering if this party is actually dying out, after all it seems to be doing it's hardest to be no longer accepted by Mainstream popular culture; hell, them going completely crazy and acting irrational has become a joke in Mainstream pop culture.

There are a few reasons, listed below, that I believe is why Republicans are going to die out... Or at least lose A LOT of influence. Feel free to say whether you think they're accurate or not.

"They Don't Oppose. They CRUSADE."
Now, Democrats oppose Republicans on a lot of issues, that's something I've come to except by now, however there is one major difference between the two. Republicans don't just seem to merely oppose something, they try to throw a damned crusade against it. I guess I can see their logic, to them it's only being active on the political scene. However, the amount of zeal and anger they show when opposing something just hurts them in the long run. Several things that most of the "Mainstream" has come to accept, they oppose with such zeal that they no longer are "opponents" of whatever it is they're opposing, but enemies of it. This "either your with us or against us" attitude is going to Alienate what few moderate republicans remain. If a republican agrees with a Democrat on a social issue, then they'll most likely end up with their party at their throat and calling them out for being a "Liberal Coward".

"They Can't Attract Anyone But Teen's Whose Parents Are Republican."
This topic relates to the previous one in that this "Zealous Crusader" mindset has alienated them from the rest of America. I remember hearing something from my Grandmother that, now that I look back on it, seems pretty true. "No one votes Republican but Republicans." The Republican party has become so opposed to now harmless issues such as Contraception and even "My Little Pony" that almost no "New Blood" is going to join the party. I've spoken with one of my VERY conservative friends (As in "I don't support socialism because it's a step towards Communism" kind of Conservative) and even he admitted that he would most likely not join the Republican party when the time comes around, he just feels like they're acting "Too Crazy". Hell, I even have a guy whose whole family is Republican and damn proud of it, and even he said that him and his parents are starting to get sick of the current party, they feel all the candidates are unqualified, and they're really criticizing the "Voice" of the party (Fox News).

"It's a party almost solely for old, angry, white, Christian men."
With the Republicans current stance on social issues, it brings attention to most of the Republicans rallying behind the "Anti Gay, Anti Contraception, Anti Gaming, and Anti Brony" banner... They're all old, white, christian men. All this does is evoke images of elderly folk waving their cane and complaining about something along the lines of "Kids today with their loud rock music and their video games!" They oppose most of the stuff young people either enjoy, or don't have any problem with. They could attract TONS of conservatives into the party, from Conservative Jews (who they had some moderate success with) to conservative Muslims, yet they actually attack those groups for "Not following the true God" or something like that, hell, O'Reily considers the war on terror as "The War on Islam" and it's clear that a lot of his fellow party members agree with him. In response, a lot of those groups go over to the Democrats, seeing them as the "only other option". It's just like their immigration policy back in the day, they didn't support immigrants and at times even attacked immigrants as "Unamerican" and as a response when a huge wave of Irish Catholics came to America (people who you'd naturally believe would be conservative) they joined the Democratic Party because they were the only ones protecting and accepting them.

"They're still stuck in the mindset of the cold war."
While most of the world has moved on from nearly a decade ago, the Republican party clings on to it fiercely. They consider Reagan the "Greatest President of All Time, only under George washington", and they still use "HE'S A SOCIALIST!" As one of the problems they have with Democratic politicians. The cold war ended a while ago, most people don't fear any threat of "Communist Subversion", yet they are still acting like it's the McCarthy era. Most young people these days don't even care about Communism, it's no longer a threat, yet it seems like they see the "Dirty Reds" on every corner.

So, those are some of my main reasons why I don't think we'll be seeing much Republicans in a few years. The party wont be able to grow at all with this mindset, instead it will merely fester and stagnate, until finally most moderate Republicans leave, whether to form their own party or join another is yet to be seen, all this far right agenda has done is make them alienate themselves in a society that's increasingly becoming more Liberal.

I could not agree more. However, you are missing one of the huge issues they are facing at this moment. The Tea Party. While the idea did seem somewhat nice at the beginning for the idea of smaller government and lower taxes, they slowly got off the deep end with the super far right old white conservative males that want to ban everything the church is against and make us a theology. Because of the Tea Party's huge pull when they first came around, Republicans saw the need to court them for the votes, but now, the Tea Party has gone completely insane and bring more harm than help to the party. They still court them however and accept them as Republicans whereas what they should do is say, "you are too radical and don't represent how we should feel" and kick them out. However, some of the newer, more moderate Republicans can't do that because they don't have the power to speak up against it. Also, you have the Gingrich's and McConnell's of the party that are more for the party and elections than they are for true progress. That's another thing. The Republicans have such a hated of the words progress and progressive. Don't they know that Teddy Roosevelt, one of the most loved Republicans, was a progressive and a very good president or is he a "RINO communist"? The amount of baby boomers there are that are starting to get into the party is not helping at all. Once the baby boomers disappear, it could get back into some normalcy and not stupidity. As for the Cold War, this also goes back to the idea of hatred of the word progressive and not learning history. The Cold War is over and no longer an issue and they need to stop worrying about it. Although Russia isn't the best country and can't always be fully trusted, they are still our ally now and not our mortal enemy. Besides, the last thing we need is another Cold War. Please god no more Cold Wars.

If they continue the way they are going then it is inevitable. Outside of the white, middle aged and old, male category the Democrats dominate them. You cannot possibly look towards the future and think it is bright when you are losing the youth vote 70:30.

All you have to do is look at the Republican events, there are very few young people. Compare that to Obama and you have your answer.

Extinction isn't inevitable, if they stop attacking hispanics and women. Will that happen? Doesn't seem likely at the moment.

Speaking from Australia, I always thought that the Republicans would always be there, always showing the world how incredibly backwards the US could be sometimes. The thought that it could even decline in power, let alone go extinct, it boggles the mind!

With rising stars like Rubio, Christie, Ryan, Daniels, Haley, and others who most people havn't heard of yet, I believe the Republican party will not only survive but thrive in the future.

The flaw in the OP is its based on stereotypes not on facts. Then again I am sure the Republican Party would be happy to have the Democratic Party underestimate them.

I don't see them losing too much political power, there is nothing to take its place, not yet anyway. Maybe current democrats will be labeled the new right-wing party and something more socialistic will become the new left.

I'm not an american though, so my knowledge of your politics isn't from first-hand experience.

We should be so lucky. They say "If you are not a Democrat when you are 20, you have no heart, but if you are not a Republican when you are 30, you have no brain". Well, that's true. If the Republicans are still around when I'm 30, I'll blow my brains out.

TheDarkEricDraven:
We should be so lucky. They say "If you are not a Democrat when you are 20, you have no heart, but if you are not a Republican when you are 30, you have no brain". Well, that's true. If the Republicans are still around when I'm 30, I'll blow my brains out.

It was said by Churchhill, and it was Liberalism-Conservatism. And it was a comment about Wisdom. And it had nothing to do with Democrats and Republicans. And Conservative party in England was actually build on a good Ideology, not as just an anti-ideology.

And you're better off doing it sooner than later because their demise is 'not' happening in the next 14 years.

Nikolaz72:

It was said by Churchhill, and it was Liberalism-Conservatism. And it was a comment about Wisdom. And it had nothing to do with Democrats and Republicans. And Conservative party in England was actually build on a good Ideology, not as just an anti-ideology.

And you're better off doing it sooner than later because their demise is 'not' happening in the next 14 years.

I heard the Republican/Democrat version on Law and Order, so there. Granted, it was Law and Order...

Even if their continued move towards the far right causes them to suffer, I doubt the Republican party is "dying". It may suffer some devastating defeats here and there and then bounce back towards the center eventually. That said, Mitt Romney's candidacy is already a sign that the far-right elements are losing out somewhat. People like Perry, Bachmann, Santorum and the other extremists failed and the candidate is a comparatively moderate Republican extremist sellout rather than an absolute theocrat.

OP- half of your problems with the GOP is replicated in the DNC to the letter. The other half is just what is happening now. For one of my research projects I ended up coming across an article from 1992 that said the GOP was done and was going to collapse due to extremism and a Cold War mindset. Sound familiar (I will try and find the article but UT has a shitty search engine)? I looked a little deeper and found another one in 1996 and I am sure there are others that were not on the database. You do not like the GOP so you think they are going to fall and your enemy will die. They won't. They will stick around, they will get votes, they will be elected into office and they will do all of this despite what you think about them. Why? Because you see them as wrong but not everybody shares your opinion.

BTW people government 101, appeal to the extremists in the primary and appeal to the moderates in the election. Also appealing to the moderates is boring. Expect to see a lot of archived footage from weeks/months ago once the election gets into full swing. Extremism my ass.

farson135:

BTW people government 101, appeal to the extremists in the primary and appeal to the moderates in the election. Also appealing to the moderates is boring. Expect to see a lot of archived footage from weeks/months ago once the election gets into full swing. Extremism my ass.

Please show me the extreme leftists during 2008 and during this election.

Ninjamedic:
Please show me the extreme leftists during 2008 and during this election.

I never said there were any actual extremists. All I said was that they try to appeal to those people. More to the point, take your pick of virtually any of the primary candidates from the 2008 Presidential election. All of them at least imply far more left wing tendencies than what is acceptable to the majority. As for now, Obama is not running in a primary (technically he is but not really).

If you want local ask around. There isn't a DNC primary in my home area and I don't give a shit about politics in Austin (unless it directly affects me).

farson135:

Ninjamedic:
Please show me the extreme leftists during 2008 and during this election.

I never said there were any actual extremists. All I said was that they try to appeal to those people. More to the point, take your pick of virtually any of the primary candidates from the 2008 Presidential election. All of them at least imply far more left wing tendencies than what is acceptable to the majority. As for now, Obama is not running in a primary (technically he is but not really).

I guess we'll have to wait and see then. Though I still have to question whether or not Obama is actually left wing.

Parties don't die, they are killed off, just as the Wiggs were at one point in US history. For the republicans to die, a viable right of centre 3rd party would have to step up. The reason the republican party got wacky is they embraced the Tea Party thinking it could be a contender and they wanted to take away their political breathing space. With Obama more right of centre than many other past democrats, that leaves the republicans little room to come back towards centre now.

So basically things will stay as they are until a left wing party comes up forcing the dems left again, or a right wing party steps up and shows itself to be more viable than the republicans.

The "mainstream" doesn't like them, does it? Yeah, I don't think that's true.

The OP raises some points that would make people who aren't republicans unsympathetic to them, and would seem to be supported by people who are. The same could be said of the Democrats. Just because you don't like a party doesn't mean not many other people do.

I don't think the Republican party is dying because 1) There's no boot ready to crush their throat, the Democrats are the only other party in the U.S. and they're going to keep the White House in 2012 because they're the lesser of two evils for another election cycle, and 2) just because their biggest name in 2012 is about as charismatic as a slice of cheese and a picture of Princess Di's carwreck stuck between unmayonnaised pieces of white bread doesn't mean they're never going to have someone with the right mixture of strong chin and apparent sanity step up.

Witty Name Here:

You're speaking in a bit too sweeping of generalizations here. I don't have any love for the Republican party, but they don't all crusade. There are moderate Republicans out there.

The biggest problem facing Republicans IMHO is this notion of party loyalty. Republicans can reasonably be expected to vote in disciplined blocks. This makes the party considerably more powerful than Democrats, who can't be trusted to even agree on the right way to exit a burning room with only one door. But on the other hand, it means that the GOP isn't a very welcoming place for people who can't toe the party line. As demographic shifts in the US continue, the Republicans will increasingly struggle as the people that used to be minorities become majorities- or at least become very powerful politically. For example, I've heard it said that 1 in 10 people are non-heterosexual. That means it is increasingly perilous for the GOP to demonize the LGBT community or bully them through legislation.

It's a tautology to say that the GOP must either adapt to these issues or go extinct. The interesting question is how. They could follow what happened in Britain, where the conservatives grossly misinterpreted what people in the country wanted when conservatives lost to labor and court increasingly right-wing aspects of their constituency and end up with a decade in the wilderness where they have no hope of competing. Rick Santorum winning the GOP nomination would have been a strong sign this is where they were going. With Romney at the helm, things are more murky.

Or they could go as Seekster suggests, and have an intra-party revolution where people younger Republicans take the party in a radically different way that is more appealing to mainstream voters. I would be happy enough to see this happen, but I don't share Seekster's optimism. While not all Republicans are elderly, bigoted curmudgeons who hate it when anyone younger and darker than them has fun, this demographic cannot be ignored.

Another possibility is that the party melts down into two or more parties: a Tea Party, (a neo con party) and a true conservative party. This would be IMHO best for the US as we need viable third parties, and we also need a true conservative party. Not because conservativism is inherently right, but because a truly conservative party would challenge the Democratic party and force everyone to up their political game in general. But unfortunately the political machine in the US fears 3rd parties as a threat to dominance, and so I see this as the least likely possibility.

Katatori-kun:

Witty Name Here:

You're speaking in a bit too sweeping of generalizations here. I don't have any love for the Republican party, but they don't all crusade. There are moderate Republicans out there.

The biggest problem facing Republicans IMHO is this notion of party loyalty. Republicans can reasonably be expected to vote in disciplined blocks. This makes the party considerably more powerful than Democrats, who can't be trusted to even agree on the right way to exit a burning room with only one door. But on the other hand, it means that the GOP isn't a very welcoming place for people who can't toe the party line. As demographic shifts in the US continue, the Republicans will increasingly struggle as the people that used to be minorities become majorities- or at least become very powerful politically. For example, I've heard it said that 1 in 10 people are non-heterosexual. That means it is increasingly perilous for the GOP to demonize the LGBT community or bully them through legislation.

It's a tautology to say that the GOP must either adapt to these issues or go extinct. The interesting question is how. They could follow what happened in Britain, where the conservatives grossly misinterpreted what people in the country wanted when conservatives lost to labor and court increasingly right-wing aspects of their constituency and end up with a decade in the wilderness where they have no hope of competing. Rick Santorum winning the GOP nomination would have been a strong sign this is where they were going. With Romney at the helm, things are more murky.

Or they could go as Seekster suggests, and have an intra-party revolution where people younger Republicans take the party in a radically different way that is more appealing to mainstream voters. I would be happy enough to see this happen, but I don't share Seekster's optimism. While not all Republicans are elderly, bigoted curmudgeons who hate it when anyone younger and darker than them has fun, this demographic cannot be ignored.

Another possibility is that the party melts down into two or more parties: a Tea Party, (a neo con party) and a true conservative party. This would be IMHO best for the US as we need viable third parties, and we also need a true conservative party. Not because conservativism is inherently right, but because a truly conservative party would challenge the Democratic party and force everyone to up their political game in general. But unfortunately the political machine in the US fears 3rd parties as a threat to dominance, and so I see this as the least likely possibility.

The only real way new people would join is if people stop seeing the party as pure unadulterated evil rather than just a party that doesn't have their views (I'm looking at you arbane). As for splitting the party, that is what really needs to happen. Men like Mitt Romney that are moderate need to make a seperate party or bring it closer to the middle so you would have the democrats as the right center/American left, the Neo Republicans as I will call them as the moderate party, and the tea party as the right conservative party. THAT would be nice but would never happen sadly. They like their "PARTY POWER!" too much.

Seekster:
With rising stars like Rubio, Christie, Ryan, Daniels, Haley, and others who most people havn't heard of yet, I believe the Republican party will not only survive but thrive in the future.

You're dreaming. The Republican party has been tearing itself apart with these so-called "rising stars." I doubt that it'll survive for longer than twenty years and we'll have another party to take it's place.

Why would it? I mean the last time a major party fell apart was 1854 with the Whigs being torn apart over slavery. Since then it's been constant Republican v. Democrat and there doesn't seem to be such an issue like slavery anymore that divides politicians based on their regional ties.

recruit00:
The only real way new people would join is if people stop seeing the party as pure unadulterated evil rather than just a party that doesn't have their views (I'm looking at you arbane).

Then the onus is on the Republican party to stop seeming evil to voters.

Men like Mitt Romney that are moderate need to make a seperate party or bring it closer to the middle so you would have the democrats as the right center/American left, the Neo Republicans as I will call them as the moderate party, and the tea party as the right conservative party. THAT would be nice but would never happen sadly. They like their "PARTY POWER!" too much.

To be fair to Republicans, there is a widespread belief that Nader's 3rd party Green candidacy cost Gore the election to Bush[1] and that will frighten many Republicans away from the 3rd party track.

[1] Though as always I contend this is a simplistic belief that presumes Nader's votes properly "belonged" to Gore rather than being free to go to whomever voters want them to- in other words, Gore lost the election by not appealing to the people who voted for Nader. But a lot of people don't like that opinion because it doesn't provide an easy party to blame for Bush's election.

recruit00:
I could not agree more. However, you are missing one of the huge issues they are facing at this moment. The Tea Party. While the idea did seem somewhat nice at the beginning for the idea of smaller government and lower taxes, they slowly got off the deep end with the super far right old white conservative males that want to ban everything the church is against and make us a theology.

The Tea Party was started by Libertarians and fiscal conservatives (more worried about making a smaller government then appeasing their god), until politicians took over the movement and brought in the social conservatives, completely missing the point the Tea Party started with.

A similar thing happened to the Occupy movement.

Katatori nailed it, as usual, but I have one thing to add: saying that the republican party is likely to die because they're becoming too radical is like saying that the democratic party is likely to die because they're becoming too conservative. As long as we have a two-party system, there is no reasonable alternative that is likely to get any reasonable portion of the vote, and the other party is "worse", they're gonna get my vote. That's how most democrats feel about the democratic party, as far as I can tell.

Seekster:
With rising stars like Rubio, Christie, Ryan, Daniels, Haley, and others who most people havn't heard of yet, I believe the Republican party will not only survive but thrive in the future.

The flaw in the OP is its based on stereotypes not on facts. Then again I am sure the Republican Party would be happy to have the Democratic Party underestimate them.

Seekster, your spokesman for the Republican party.

I don't see the Republican party "dying," per se, but it will inevitably have to reinvent itself. They seem to be doing everything in their power to alienate young people, minorities and women.

Naheal:

Seekster:
With rising stars like Rubio, Christie, Ryan, Daniels, Haley, and others who most people havn't heard of yet, I believe the Republican party will not only survive but thrive in the future.

You're dreaming. The Republican party has been tearing itself apart with these so-called "rising stars." I doubt that it'll survive for longer than twenty years and we'll have another party to take it's place.

As others have pointed out, unless a strong third party rises up we are always going to have two major parties here. Also I am not sure what you mean by "tearing itself apart", there has been a fight over the right direction for the party sure but all parties tend to have one of those after a major defeat. In fact the Democrats may have some fight over that either this year or sometime in the next half-decade.

I think it's a mistake to think of Parties as "dying" in U.S. politics. Most parties are generally just absorbed by a third party that happens to gain enough support.

Wolverine18:
Parties don't die, they are killed off, just as the Wiggs were at one point in US history. For the republicans to die, a viable right of centre 3rd party would have to step up. The reason the republican party got wacky is they embraced the Tea Party thinking it could be a contender and they wanted to take away their political breathing space.

OK. It's good to know that I haven't completely forgotten my U.S. history.

Seekster:

Naheal:

Seekster:
With rising stars like Rubio, Christie, Ryan, Daniels, Haley, and others who most people havn't heard of yet, I believe the Republican party will not only survive but thrive in the future.

You're dreaming. The Republican party has been tearing itself apart with these so-called "rising stars." I doubt that it'll survive for longer than twenty years and we'll have another party to take it's place.

As others have pointed out, unless a strong third party rises up we are always going to have two major parties here. Also I am not sure what you mean by "tearing itself apart", there has been a fight over the right direction for the party sure but all parties tend to have one of those after a major defeat. In fact the Democrats may have some fight over that either this year or sometime in the next half-decade.

The Democratic Party will be tearing itself apart for as long as there is a Democratic Party.

"I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat."

"Democrats never agree on anything, that's why they're Democrats. If they agreed with each other, they would be Republicans."

-Will Rogers

Tyler Perry:

Seekster:
With rising stars like Rubio, Christie, Ryan, Daniels, Haley, and others who most people havn't heard of yet, I believe the Republican party will not only survive but thrive in the future.

The flaw in the OP is its based on stereotypes not on facts. Then again I am sure the Republican Party would be happy to have the Democratic Party underestimate them.

Seekster, your spokesman for the Republican party.

I don't see the Republican party "dying," per se, but it will inevitably have to reinvent itself. They seem to be doing everything in their power to alienate young people, minorities and women.

Tyler, when are you going to grow up and stop calling Seekster a Republican pawn. You make the other side look just as childish when you keep doing this. As I have told you before, just because his views tend to match the Republicans. The reason why he mutes you is because you refuse to act mature. It was funny at first but now it is pure flaming. Also, you're. As for alienating the young people, they are definitely doing it, but intentionally I'm not so sure. It is quite possible but I don't think they are frantically trying to make the people that mostly don't vote not like them.

recruit00:
Tyler, when are you going to grow up and stop calling Seekster a Republican pawn.

When he stops acting like one.

He claims to not be a Republican, yet he carries water for the GOP at every conceivable opportunity, without fail, 100 percent of the time. I didn't realize it was "flaming" to point that out.

If you don't like it, the ignore button is over there, I suggest you use it, because I am simply not going to change my posting style because recruit00 doesn't like it.

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Tyler Perry:

recruit00:
Tyler, when are you going to grow up and stop calling Seekster a Republican pawn.

When he stops acting like one.

He claims to not be a Republican, yet he carries water for the GOP at every conceivable opportunity, without fail, 100 percent of the time. I didn't realize it was "flaming" to point that out.

If you don't like it, the ignore button is over there, I suggest you use it, because I am simply not going to change my posting style because recruit00 doesn't like it.

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So it is perfectly okay for you or arbane to be partisan but when Seekster does it, it's his fault and he should be ashamed of it. Oh and let me just bring up some code of conduct.

Don't Be a Jerk
This rule trumps any other. Any loophole you think you've found in any other rule is covered by this one. If you make our forums a less pleasant place to be, we don't want you here and we have no problem revoking your account. Here are a couple of the things you should stay away from:
Flaming
Calling people names (or groups who may visit The Escapist), this includes calling others a troll
Trolling
Posting inflammatory, extraneous or off-topic messages with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion

Yeah, according to the code of conduct, what you do is flaming. If all you are going to do is call him name rather than make real debate, why even post? It's not worth his time and it's not worth yours.

recruit00:
So it is perfectly okay for you or arbane to be partisan but when Seekster does it, it's his fault and he should be ashamed of it. Oh and let me just bring up some code of conduct.

I don't recall Arbane or myself actively denying being partisan in any way.

Arbane and I appear to be in agreement that the Democrats are lousy, but the Republicans are far, far worse.

recruit00:
Yeah, according to the code of conduct, what you do is flaming. If all you are going to do is call him name rather than make real debate, why even post? It's not worth his time and it's not worth yours.

I'll decide what's worth my time, thanks.

Tyler Perry:

recruit00:
So it is perfectly okay for you or arbane to be partisan but when Seekster does it, it's his fault and he should be ashamed of it. Oh and let me just bring up some code of conduct.

I don't recall Arbane or myself actively denying being partisan in any way.

Arbane and I appear to be in agreement that the Democrats are lousy, but the Republicans are far, far worse.

recruit00:
Yeah, according to the code of conduct, what you do is flaming. If all you are going to do is call him name rather than make real debate, why even post? It's not worth his time and it's not worth yours.

I'll decide what's worth my time, thanks.

I have never seen you say that they are lousy. You, maybe. But arbane, I have never EVER seen him dislike the Democrats but every chance he gets he attacks the Republicans. I will agree that the Republicans are worse on the partisanship but when you compare Seekster and arbane, there is no comparison on who is the more partisan.

I don't carry water for the Republicans I just tend to agree with them more based on ideology. It is funny though that people on here accuse me of being a Republican agent while people on a Conservative Forum accuse me of being a liberal or at least a RINO (which I can't be because I'm not even a Republican so I can't be a Republican in Name Only).

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