Here we go again with a twist: Obama the Kenyan and other Ethnic frauds

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http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100158834/obama-used-to-be-a-kenyan/

That is funny!

I hate this as a political movement. I am so hoping 2012 does not get about personality but policy. But as a story about hubris, media incompetence and more this story is just funny as hell!

Almost as funny is this one:

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-05-09.html

I listened to a radio interview as a Cherokee expert on the matter denies Warren is even 1/32nd Cherokee. Apparantly they keep their own records on who is and is not Cherokee and she has zero connection to them.

Got any other links to stories of ethnic fraud? So sad it's funny.

Well, way to bring up two stories entirely about personality. Good job. ^_^

I made the mistake of reading the comments section of that first article. I hate myself.

I refuse to click on the Coulter one because I don't want to emotionally scar my computer.

It still fucking kills me that this birther thing refuses to die. And all because the dude is black. If someone out there wants to tell me it's for a different reason, fuck you. It's because he's black.

In fact, why are we fucking having this conversation?

........

Words alone cannot describe my sheer bafflement at this. I...reading those comments hurt my brain.

Just... no. I'm not even going to waste time arguing the myriad of ways in which both of these articles are retarded. No sources, no legitimate comments, just....

Why did I read this crap. whyyyyy

ROFL ROFL - THE MAINSTREAM OBAMA SUCKING MEDIA WERE TOO BUSY DESTROYING THE WAR HERO AND BEATING UP GOVERNOR PALIN'S KIDS TO INVESTIGATE THE FIRST ARAB PRESIDENT!!!!

Seriously what the hell is this one giant parody in and of itself or what? I hope to Arceus that people like this are just being parodies.

Oh, I thought this was going to be about the latest birther revelation:

http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/film-presidents-father-not-barack-obama/

Yeah, quite the turnaround.

But, seriosuly, reveal Obama is from outer space or I don't care anymore.

*sigh* Gorfias, when will you learn that Ann Coulter is a reliable source? She's an attention whore, nothing she says should be taken seriously. This is a person would would never in a million years say a nice thing about a democrat that wasn't wrapped in an insult, so why should any of us care what her opinion anymre than we'd care for the Amazing Athiest's?

DrVornoff:
I made the mistake of reading the comments section of that first article. I hate myself.

I refuse to click on the Coulter one because I don't want to emotionally scar my computer.

It still fucking kills me that this birther thing refuses to die. And all because the dude is black. If someone out there wants to tell me it's for a different reason, fuck you. It's because he's black.

In fact, why are we fucking having this conversation?

...Did you read the articles in question? It not only clearly says that anyone who thought Obama was from Kenya is retarded, but then goes on to make its main point - Obama actually used "I'm from Africa" as a selling point. Or something. Whether or not that claim is true is another story, but saying "Oh it's just birthers again" is wrong.

Stagnant:

DrVornoff:
I made the mistake of reading the comments section of that first article. I hate myself.

I refuse to click on the Coulter one because I don't want to emotionally scar my computer.

It still fucking kills me that this birther thing refuses to die. And all because the dude is black. If someone out there wants to tell me it's for a different reason, fuck you. It's because he's black.

In fact, why are we fucking having this conversation?

...Did you read the articles in question? It not only clearly says that anyone who thought Obama was from Kenya is retarded, but then goes on to make its main point - Obama actually used "I'm from Africa" as a selling point. Or something. Whether or not that claim is true is another story, but saying "Oh it's just birthers again" is wrong.

That's why I wrote this is one with a twist: that it was Obama that was using this as a selling point, even if evidently untrue. And I'm sure this is a bipartisan matter, where people radically embellish, in ways they think will help, who they are.

We got on this topic on another thread: in today's instant information age, how do they think they'll get away with it?

I'd like links to any other good stuff like this (office seeker claiming something outlandish about themselves.)

I'm pretty sure Obama has never used "I'm from Africa!" as a selling point for his campaign.

Gorfias:
I hate this as a political movement. I am so hoping 2012 does not get about personality but policy.

I think the mainstream media stopped caring about the Birthers when he published his birth certificate for the whole world to see. Now all that's left is the people who didn't need any controversy or evidence in the first place to think he's some Arab terrorist trying to take over the country (Because Kenya being an Arab country and all that). And, of course, the people who just make stuff up to appeal to appeal to those kinds of people.

So really there's no point in paying these people much mind. There are some commentators that aren't a total waste of time to keep tabs on, but Ann Coulter? Hell to the no. You'd get more reliable news commentary from the drunks pushed onto the street after the bars close. And that Telegraph guy seems a bit off his rocker as well. I mean, screw this dubious biography from 2007. We have his birth certificate. And I'm sure he had to show it at some point when applying to be a candidate.

Hahahaha. This has been coming up on a Republican blog I make fun of. I was waiting for it to get mentioned here. Gods, these people are so deluded.

Okay, so two ultra right-wing privileged bloggers, of which Ann Coulters descent may not be proven by birth certificate, but is still definately 100% moron, have conjured up some more lies.

What's the discussion value of this topic?

Stagnant:
Obama actually used "I'm from Africa" as a selling point.

I don't remember him doing that at any point in 2008. I still want to punch someone right now, so your telling me this is not really doing anything to improve my mood. Also, I was bitching about the comments section specifically, which is full of birthers. Pay attention.

thaluikhain:
Oh, I thought this was going to be about the latest birther revelation:

http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/film-presidents-father-not-barack-obama/

Yeah, quite the turnaround.

But, seriosuly, reveal Obama is from outer space or I don't care anymore.

Would you settle from him being a clone of Pharaoh Akhenaton?

Shaoken:
*sigh* Gorfias, when will you learn that Ann Coulter is a reliable source? She's an attention whore, nothing she says should be taken seriously. This is a person would would never in a million years say a nice thing about a democrat that wasn't wrapped in an insult, so why should any of us care what her opinion anymre than we'd care for the Amazing Athiest's?

The only reason I can think of is because she, like Rush and Glenn Beck, is the Leading Edge of the Crazy. The rightwing noise machine uses people like her to float new ideas, so they can crank the Overton Window a few notches further right while still seeming like "moderates" compared to the likes of her.

Having said that, it's still not worth the brain-cells.

arbane:

thaluikhain:
Oh, I thought this was going to be about the latest birther revelation:

http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/film-presidents-father-not-barack-obama/

Yeah, quite the turnaround.

But, seriosuly, reveal Obama is from outer space or I don't care anymore.

Would you settle from him being a clone of Pharaoh Akhenaton?

...

Oh, FFS. That's just...really?

DrVornoff:

Stagnant:
Obama actually used "I'm from Africa" as a selling point.

I don't remember him doing that at any point in 2008. I still want to punch someone right now, so your telling me this is not really doing anything to improve my mood. Also, I was bitching about the comments section specifically, which is full of birthers. Pay attention.

Their claims, not mine. I didn't delve into it because it seems like such a pointless waste of brain cells. And I need all of those I can get after my post-graduation alcohol binge.

thaluikhain:

arbane:

thaluikhain:
Oh, I thought this was going to be about the latest birther revelation:

http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/film-presidents-father-not-barack-obama/

Yeah, quite the turnaround.

But, seriosuly, reveal Obama is from outer space or I don't care anymore.

Would you settle from him being a clone of Pharaoh Akhenaton?

...

Oh, FFS. That's just...really?

Obama's also a former Mars explorer, as part of a secret government teleportation project. I wonder if he met Gordon Freeman while he was there?

arbane:

thaluikhain:

arbane:

Would you settle from him being a clone of Pharaoh Akhenaton?

...

Oh, FFS. That's just...really?

Obama's also a former Mars explorer, as part of a secret government teleportation project. I wonder if he met Gordon Freeman while he was there?

I think this is my favorite comment from that article:

Newt Gengrich:
ahhh...yea. That's what happened to me. I was sent here from Mars to explore women and since there is no marriage on Mars I was not cheating on anyone. Callista and I really love it here and hope that you will vote for me.

I finally get to use this:

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That's basically how I feel whenever I go to a site where people still believe this kind of insanity, and it's also all that ever needs to be said about such people. They're lunatics that need to grow up and move on. End of.

Gorfias:
I listened to a radio interview as a Cherokee expert on the matter denies Warren is even 1/32nd Cherokee. Apparantly they keep their own records on who is and is not Cherokee and she has zero connection to them.

Got any other links to stories of ethnic fraud? So sad it's funny.

What's that saying? A lie can make it halfway around the world before the truth get's it's pants on? (AP Article, reposted on Huff. Post)

Plus, if that's the best Senator Brown can do to counter Warren's challenge to his seat, he is in serious trouble...

So you've got a publishing agent embellishing a writer's bio and a false story that has already been countered by documentation. Any other swill you need fact-checked?

guyz u r such comunist assholes obama iz actually a alien from mars he cum her 2 take ova da world with comunism and destroy da greatest country eva

but whateva keep suckin dat socialist dick u fagets jesus will get u eventualy!

No, seriously though. Why do people even care where hes born or what he did 12 bloody years ago or where his distant cousin twice removed came from? What matters is whether hes doing a good job. I'm not going to judge that from over here, but I'm sure hes fucking up in regular intervals as politicians tend to do, so why not cover that more extensively instead of spamming this birth certificate origin bullshit?

Isaac Pope:
http://freemantv.whynotnews.eu/2010/03/obama-cloning-the-coming-space-war/

I see your crazy and i double it

Anyone who buys that deserves all the scorn they get, and then a metric fuckton more. And a kick in the testicles.

SmashLovesTitanQuest:
guyz u r such comunist assholes obama iz actually a alien from mars he cum her 2 take ova da world with comunism and destroy da greatest country eva

but whateva keep suckin dat socialist dick u fagets jesus will get u eventualy!

No, seriously though. Why do people even care where hes born or what he did 12 bloody years ago or where his distant cousin twice removed came from? What matters is whether hes doing a good job. I'm not going to judge that from over here, but I'm sure hes fucking up in regular intervals as politicians tend to do, so why not cover that more extensively instead of spamming this birth certificate origin bullshit?

God, that looks like it was physically painful to type...

OT: Nothing like a bunch of raving lunatics to make your night special. That comment section is pure gold. There's just something about the birther movement that puts a smile on my face. The bat-shit insanity that is seemingly inherent in birthers is astounding.

Isaac Pope:
http://freemantv.whynotnews.eu/2010/03/obama-cloning-the-coming-space-war/

I see your crazy and i double it

I wish I could find the cloning thing slightly more plausible than their belief anyone would pay 25$ for this nonsense. Sigh...

Ah, and here we have WHY the rightwing is pushing all this high-concentration Stoopid:

Arizona Goes Birther: Secretary Of State Says It's 'Possible' Obama Won't Be On Ballot

What IS it with Arizona these days? Did the Cosmic Nexus of Idiocy shift there, or something?

The Gentleman:
What's that saying? A lie can make it halfway around the world before the truth get's it's pants on? (AP Article, reposted on Huff. Post)

Plus, if that's the best Senator Brown can do to counter Warren's challenge to his seat, he is in serious trouble...

So you've got a publishing agent embellishing a writer's bio and a false story that has already been countered by documentation. Any other swill you need fact-checked?

It's worth noting that tribes often have stricter standards for proof, and the specifics of the "Cherokee Nation" come into play. The Cherokee Nation uses a specific census known to be incomplete to decide whether or not someone is officially Cherokee. The records are spotty for everyone that far back, and even spottier for Native Americans. There's also the ever present phenomenon of "passing".

arbane:

Isaac Pope:
http://freemantv.whynotnews.eu/2010/03/obama-cloning-the-coming-space-war/

I see your crazy and i double it

I wish I could find the cloning thing slightly more plausible than their belief anyone would pay 25$ for this nonsense. Sigh...

Ah, and here we have WHY the rightwing is pushing all this high-concentration Stoopid:

Arizona Goes Birther: Secretary Of State Says It's 'Possible' Obama Won't Be On Ballot

What IS it with Arizona these days? Did the Cosmic Nexus of Idiocy shift there, or something?

Maybe because they're close to California they feel they need to be extra-Conservative to make up for California's liberalism. Only they've gone too far with it, and have made themselves so Conservative as to become ridiculous.

Or maybe there's just something wrong with their waterworks and some strange chemical leaked into the tap water, turning everyone into morons. We can only speculate.

The Gentleman:

Gorfias:
I listened to a radio interview as a Cherokee expert on the matter denies Warren is even 1/32nd Cherokee. Apparantly they keep their own records on who is and is not Cherokee and she has zero connection to them.

Got any other links to stories of ethnic fraud? So sad it's funny.

What's that saying? A lie can make it halfway around the world before the truth get's it's pants on? (AP Article, reposted on Huff. Post)

Plus, if that's the best Senator Brown can do to counter Warren's challenge to his seat, he is in serious trouble...

So you've got a publishing agent embellishing a writer's bio and a false story that has already been countered by documentation. Any other swill you need fact-checked?

Do you think that "writer's bio" was published without review and approval from Obama?

As your link states, "Child says more research is needed." I think because...

Dags90:
It's worth noting that tribes often have stricter standards for proof, and the specifics of the "Cherokee Nation" come into play. The Cherokee Nation uses a specific census known to be incomplete to decide whether or not someone is officially Cherokee. The records are spotty for everyone that far back, and even spottier for Native Americans. There's also the ever present phenomenon of "passing".

I don't know how spotty their records are, but the lady I heard on the radio was pretty pissed off.

Anyway, regardless of party affiliation, or even politics at all, I think it interesting when someone, anyone, engages in this kind of thing for any reason.

I recall a case of some very white fire fighters claiming to be black. They showed a very old picture of a black woman and said she was a great, great grandmother of theirs. I'll try to find a link.

ITMT: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/300468/great-barry-mark-steyn "Dances with Crabs" very funny, but makes you wonder, who the hell are these people running our country? What type of people are they really. They just seem so, small.

Gorfias:
I don't know how spotty their records are, but the lady I heard on the radio was pretty pissed off.

And what does that mean to me? When I watch the news, I see lots of angry people. Not all of them have a valid argument.

DrVornoff:

Gorfias:
I don't know how spotty their records are, but the lady I heard on the radio was pretty pissed off.

And what does that mean to me? When I watch the news, I see lots of angry people. Not all of them have a valid argument.

So, when a people keep records like this, we should be dismissive of them? Isn't that culturally insensitive?

If she's right, Elizabeth Warren stole from her people. Isn't that reason to be outraged?

EDIT:

Is it fair to write Warren did anything other than what this guy did?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091991/

ReservoirAngel:
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3 posts and I still don't think you have any idea what this thread is about. It isn't a birther thread. It's an ethnic fraud thread.

Read this and you'll understand more about it:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/300468/great-barry-mark-steyn

Gorfias:
So, when a people keep records like this, we should be dismissive of them? Isn't that culturally insensitive?

If she's right, Elizabeth Warren stole from her people. Isn't that reason to be outraged?

It has been pointed out that the records are inconsistent. Meaning that the claim she lied needs more corroborating data. Just because you are angry does not mean you are correct. Tea Partiers are angry all the time and a lot of them are unqualified to tell the difference betwixt their asses and the hole they're trying to dig our economy into. This is not a difficult concept to understand.

Angry =/= Correct

ReservoirAngel:
I finally get to use this:

image

That's basically how I feel whenever I go to a site where people still believe this kind of insanity, and it's also all that ever needs to be said about such people. They're lunatics that need to grow up and move on. End of.

You and me both buddy. If I meet a birther, I will punch them in the face.

To be fair, concerning Cherokee heritage it can get very very complicated very fast. Especially when your blood comes from that far back. To be fair, I think she honestly believed she had Cherokee blood and she might even have some. It could be from the wrong band, or her ancestor could have refused to sign onto the rolls or married into white society.

Despite typing this actually in the Cherokee Nation I ain't never seen or heard of someone caring enough to get some sort of "expert" to prove Cherokee blood. Other tribes may take it more seriously, but someone claiming something like this on blood this old raises a lot of serious questions with me. Like, how would you even know?

Weren't that guy a Space Nazi?

Oh well, the most retarded thing about that whole discussion is really the law that sparked it, that you have to be a natural-born US citizen in order to become president, not just be one. Any country that keeps such a piece of discriminatory legislation on the books deserve such discussions, a democratic nation always having both the politicians and political system it deserves.

As for "ethnic fraud", that's simply the result of state racism in the form of affirmative action laws. If the state did not engage in handing out aid and education based on people's ethnicity, rather than their actual and individual socio-economic need, then it wouldn't exist. I find it as hard to condemn people who non-violently oppose such discriminatory system by gambling it as is condemning anyone who opposed the Apartheid regime in similar non-violent ways.

DrVornoff:

Gorfias:
So, when a people keep records like this, we should be dismissive of them? Isn't that culturally insensitive?

If she's right, Elizabeth Warren stole from her people. Isn't that reason to be outraged?

It has been pointed out that the records are inconsistent. Meaning that the claim she lied needs more corroborating data. Just because you are angry does not mean you are correct. Tea Partiers are angry all the time and a lot of them are unqualified to tell the difference betwixt their asses and the hole they're trying to dig our economy into. This is not a difficult concept to understand.

Angry =/= Correct

Fair enough, but even if she is telling the truth and she is 1/32nd Cherokee, I think there is still plenty of reason to be outraged. Are you? If not, why not?

For myself, I am, even if she is telling the truth. For a blonde haired blue eyed woman to claim special minority status, telling of how she longed to be with "her people" because she is 1/32nd (if that) Cherokee is abussive.

Those white firemen that sought affirmative action points claiming to a black great great grandmother were wrong to do what they did as well.

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