Pastor calls for gay concentration camps

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im more curious is why 'Happy Wheels' is in the Recommendations. Also the guy is a dickhead, its better if we just ignore stupid people like this

MasterOfHisOwnDomain:
My favourite moment: when he says, "Can you imagine kissing a man?" to the audience. There's this great pause where the horror of that thought settles in ...

I like to imagine that the pause was due to him imagining it, liking what he saw and making plans for a busy night down at the adult bookstore.

evilneko:

Awexsome:
Lol... All in all I think this is what will be the end result of all this hate:

Saw an article in the local paper today basically saying that opponents of gay marriage realize they're fighting a losing battle, that gay marriage is inevitable as the older generation ages, retires, and is replaced by younger people.

And they don't care. They want to delay it as long as possible.

So they're not just outmoded bigoted cunts, they're outmoded bigoted cunts who have just barely enough self-awareness to recognise that fact about themselves, but continue being outmoded bigoted cunts out of nothing more than pure spite?

There are days when I seriously question my commitment to non-violence.

Trezu:
Also the guy is a dickhead, its better if we just ignore stupid people like this

I actually disagree with that. Not the dickhead part, of course. I think such people need to be called out openly. Don't just ignore them. Don't let them gather a group of bigoted followers around themselves that clap to his monstrous statements. A guy like that has the right to state his opinion (although in some countries, the things he said would be crossing an actual line), but we should use our right to make our opinion heard. Ignoring him won't make him go away, but calling him out and attacking him and his followers might let other people know what a dickhead he is. Hell, I think it would be particularly useful if other Christians clearly called him out any chance they get, distance themselves clearly from his hatefulness and so on. There's far too much silence about assholes like him and, fair or unfair, a lot of people can't help but feel that this silence is either agreement or at least unwillingness to disagree on the silent people's part.

...I want to punch something now, preferably this guy. (But of course, I can't.)

Skeleon:

Trezu:
Also the guy is a dickhead, its better if we just ignore stupid people like this

I actually disagree with that. Not the dickhead part, of course. I think such people need to be called out openly. Don't just ignore them. Don't let them gather a group of bigoted followers around themselves that clap to his monstrous statements. A guy like that has the right to state his opinion (although in some countries, the things he said would be crossing an actual line), but we should use our right to make our opinion heard. Ignoring him won't make him go away, but calling him out and attacking him and his followers might let other people know what a dickhead he is. Hell, I think it would be particularly useful if other Christians clearly called him out any chance they get, distance themselves clearly from his hatefulness and so on. There's far too much silence about assholes like him and, fair or unfair, a lot of people can't help but feel that this silence is either agreement or at least unwillingness to disagree on the silent people's part.

...What that last guy said.

Trezu:
im more curious is why 'Happy Wheels' is in the Recommendations. Also the guy is a dickhead, its better if we just ignore stupid people like this

I'm going to disagree with that. If you ignore such people instead of fighting them, they can increase their influence, and there will be victims, even if their homophobic hatred never gets to dominate a country.

I'm from a village where religious fundamentalism was the norm, and being homosexual is pretty much impossible there. How come? Because the community has been poisoned by hatespeech like the guy in the OP post spreads and the unthinking masses that follow their preacher just accept it and start to hate. That's allowed because the hate is preached under the guise of 'religious freedom', and normal people accepted religious freedom as an excuse to spread such messages legally.

Cycle ten kilometres to the next village and you get thrown out the nearest window for saying horrible homophobic stuff, but that doesn't change that leaving religious extremists alone has created some places where hatred is so strong, it victimises people.


Thus, whenever loonies like that pastor arise, all normal people should stand up and fight them and their influence. In the long run we'll all be better off. What if tomorrow he decides to target you or me?

While I can see the argument for ignoring people to rob them of publicity, in practice that's only going to work if everyone else does.

Also, fighting something by ignoring it sounds an awful lot like claiming to support a cause, but very very quietly, and there's a lot of that around as it is.

Blablahb:

Trezu:
im more curious is why 'Happy Wheels' is in the Recommendations. Also the guy is a dickhead, its better if we just ignore stupid people like this

I'm going to disagree with that. If you ignore such people instead of fighting them, they can increase their influence, and there will be victims, even if their homophobic hatred never gets to dominate a country.

I'm from a village where religious fundamentalism was the norm, and being homosexual is pretty much impossible there. How come? Because the community has been poisoned by hatespeech like the guy in the OP post spreads and the unthinking masses that follow their preacher just accept it and start to hate. That's allowed because the hate is preached under the guise of 'religious freedom', and normal people accepted religious freedom as an excuse to spread such messages legally.

Cycle ten kilometres to the next village and you get thrown out the nearest window for saying horrible homophobic stuff, but that doesn't change that leaving religious extremists alone has created some places where hatred is so strong, it victimises people.


Thus, whenever loonies like that pastor arise, all normal people should stand up and fight them and their influence. In the long run we'll all be better off. What if tomorrow he decides to target you or me?

Gereformeerde Kerk, Blablah?

On topic: can someone explain to me why things like this are even allowed, under the guise of "religious freedom"?
It doesn't seem to have anything to do with religion, and everything with hatred and homophobia.

Why is "the Christian community" so silent in these matters? I remember a while back one Jewish priest made a horrible homophobic comment, and was denounced by the "Jewish community".
You don't see these kind of denouncements and protests from Christians, leading me to the believe that most are OK with these kind of things.

I honestly have given up trying to put sense into people like. The most dangerous people in the world are the ones who think they are absolutely right, are not open to the opinions or ideas of others because damn it they know what they're talking about. Unfortunately, religion tends to reek of this kind of thing.

I believe that we should fight when we can and just wait for the next generation. As with each generation tends to bring in more acceptance of others.

Anyone wants to feel a little better feel free to read this highly amusing letter, it is definitely worth the read.

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Who's surprised? These people have long ago learnt that they can get away with saying anything they want if they just launder their hate through God. They don't want to kill all homosexuals, God does. Of course this raises the obvious question of why God ever made gay people or even created the very concept of homosexuality in the first place if he hates it so much and wants it eradicated. Also if he was all-powerful surely he could get rid of gay people himself rather than leaving a couple of vague terms in an old book and hoping people will pick up on it enough to do it for him.

To slightly paraphrase a line from Bill Maher: "One can only hope that as these type of people eventually approach the pearl gates they are met there by God himself, wearing a Fire Island muscle shirt and nuthugger shorts and saying to them in a mighty lisp: "I'm not talking to you!""

captcha: "act of god". Huh... fitting.

Bassik:
Gereformeerde Kerk, Blablah?

Yep, pretty much, and within that you have the regulars and freed (vrijgemaakt) ones, of which the difference is mainly just social and not religious. At least, reformist is the closest translation I can come up with, and wikipedia suggests it's the term normally used. But also the reformed (hervomd) denomination which is pretty closely related.

Meh, just thinking of how split up and closed those communities were makes me glad to be rid of it again.

Yes that will kill all the gays... until some straight people have a gay kid.

DANEgerous:
Yes that will kill all the gays... until some straight people have a gay kid.

You have to wonder where he imagines the new gays are coming from.
He must think that gay men and lesbians knock up genetically-engineered super-gay babies by combining their essences in a secret lab somewhere.

Archroy:

DANEgerous:
Yes that will kill all the gays... until some straight people have a gay kid.

You have to wonder where he imagines the new gays are coming from.
He must think that gay men and lesbians knock up genetically-engineered super-gay babies by combining their essences in a secret lab somewhere.

but that would destroy the argument that gays are risking ending all of humanity by somehow (magic I suppose) making enough people gay to the point we no longer continue as a species. Yes this is sadly a real argument people think is valid, hell my father thinks this, it is just so pathetic.

evilneko:

Awexsome:
Lol... All in all I think this is what will be the end result of all this hate:

Saw an article in the local paper today basically saying that opponents of gay marriage realize they're fighting a losing battle, that gay marriage is inevitable as the older generation ages, retires, and is replaced by younger people.

And they don't care. They want to delay it as long as possible.

Well that's the reason they are putting the definitions in the Constitutions. It makes it so much more difficult for the next generations to change it, and always will be there to show their hate for homosexuals.

Captcha-End of Story Not quite Captcha, but we're getting close to it.

SakSak:
I believe the late Christopher Hitchens put it best (albeit when talking about another guy entirely - namely Jerry Falwell)

"I think it's a pity there isn't a hell for him to go to. The empty life of this ugly little charlatan proves only one thing: that you can get away with the most extraordinary offenses to morality and to truth in this country if you'll just get yourself called Reverend."

This kind of speech is partially why it took so long to abolish slavery and get women the right to vote. And the fact that it still exists in modern society, is not a point of pride. We ought to have moved beyond such petty little segregations and phobias by now.

Yep.

In the words of another great theologian, "It's hard to be religious when certain people aren't incinerated by bolts of lightning."

Bassik:

Comando96:

Racecarlock:
What can I say? Hitler would be proud of this fellow.

You know Godwins law is still Godwins law even if you create the thread.

Is that an automatic response to some people? If one day Germany has a new dictator that steamrolls Europe and wants to exterminate a minority, I bet there will still be people moaning about Godwins law when comparissons are drawn.

Seriously, I get tired of this kind of knee-jerk reaction. Sometimes, Hitler is very fitting in a discussion. Sureley we must have learned something from the whole Hitler thing?

Don't discuss people as there is a personal bias is involved which we have almost all of us been raised to have. "Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people." Therefore you would dissect what Concepts and idea's Hitler stood for, ie Ugenics and you discuss that rather than the man himself.

Comando96:
Don't discuss people as there is a personal bias is involved which we have almost all of us been raised to have. "Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people." Therefore you would dissect what Concepts and idea's Hitler stood for, ie Ugenics and you discuss that rather than the man himself.

But the comparison is accurate in this case. Both him and the national-socialists wanted concentration camps for homosexuals because their existance offended Christianity.


I'm still wondering what he has against 'lesbins' though. Even if I oppose homophobes I know they have something against lesbians and other homosexuals, but lesbins? Never heard of those. Also never really heard of someone being 'agin' something. Maybe he meant 'again' meaning they should have more homosexuals, I don't know. Or men having a 'junin' as he says later, I don't know what that is, maybe a sort of special dish they serve where he is?

Comando96:

Bassik:

Comando96:

You know Godwins law is still Godwins law even if you create the thread.

Is that an automatic response to some people? If one day Germany has a new dictator that steamrolls Europe and wants to exterminate a minority, I bet there will still be people moaning about Godwins law when comparissons are drawn.

Seriously, I get tired of this kind of knee-jerk reaction. Sometimes, Hitler is very fitting in a discussion. Sureley we must have learned something from the whole Hitler thing?

Don't discuss people as there is a personal bias is involved which we have almost all of us been raised to have. "Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people." Therefore you would dissect what Concepts and idea's Hitler stood for, ie Ugenics and you discuss that rather than the man himself.

Well yeah, but they also say that you shouldn't discuss politics while riding a high horse.

How is the thing that happened with the guy in Germany not relevant to this topic?

Comando96:

Bassik:

Comando96:

You know Godwins law is still Godwins law even if you create the thread.

Is that an automatic response to some people? If one day Germany has a new dictator that steamrolls Europe and wants to exterminate a minority, I bet there will still be people moaning about Godwins law when comparissons are drawn.

Seriously, I get tired of this kind of knee-jerk reaction. Sometimes, Hitler is very fitting in a discussion. Sureley we must have learned something from the whole Hitler thing?

Don't discuss people as there is a personal bias is involved which we have almost all of us been raised to have. "Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people." Therefore you would dissect what Concepts and idea's Hitler stood for, ie Ugenics and you discuss that rather than the man himself.

Pithy slogans do not make for Truth.

People are fascinating. They are well worth discussing as they provide a very accessible, very human insight into complex issues. To take your quote as gospel would suggest that every historical biographer who painstakingly pieces together the saga of people from the distant past has a small mind, while every dumbass stoner lounging on their couch with Dorito-stained fingers discussing, "like, the Universe, man" is a great mind.

I always took the quote you posted as a warning against gossip and innuendo, not a fascist-style directive of which topics are acceptable for discussion.

Shaoken:

Comando96:

Racecarlock:
What can I say? Hitler would be proud of this fellow.

You know Godwins law is still Godwins law even if you create the thread.

YOu know that Goodwins law doesn't actually state that a conversation goes downhill after bringing Hitler into it right? It just states that the longer a conversation on the internet goes on for the closer the propablity of a comparison to Hitler will come up. It never actually says that the comparison is always wrong.

Godwin's Law Addendum #1

"The person who first brings up Hitler instantly forfeits the argument"

That's what he's talking about.

Xan Krieger:
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/entertainment/baptist-pastor-maiden-lays-out-plan-do-away-lesbia/nPBSQ/
ah crap he's from North Carolina, it's no wonder Amendment One passed when we have jerks like this spouting crap. Is there any saving my state's reputation?

Xan... defending Gays and Lesbians? Man this guy must be WAY out of line.

OT: So anyone still want to try the "isolated incident" argument here?

I remember a picture I saw:

"The talks of hatred towards others by the church are just isolated incidents. Yes... all 7 million of them are just isolated incidents..."

Well now we have to ask the all important question. Stupid or lying? It always gets down to this when understanding people like this. Either he's making money spreading hate, secretly gay and lying to himself, or he's just fucking retarded.

Hehe..."I"M EGGEN IT!!"

And can I maybe visit that lesbian camp?

Zack Alklazaris:
Anyone wants to feel a little better feel free to read this highly amusing letter, it is definitely worth the read.

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I love that letter. Do you know if it ever got a response? I doubt it, but it's still good to ask.

Aris Khandr:

Zack Alklazaris:
Anyone wants to feel a little better feel free to read this highly amusing letter, it is definitely worth the read.

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I love that letter. Do you know if it ever got a response? I doubt it, but it's still good to ask.

According to snopes.com the letter may of actually never been sent. However, she has since apologized for her poor choice of words.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/drlaura.asp

Bassik:
Well yeah, but they also say that you shouldn't discuss politics while riding a high horse.

Especially if you're the Prime Minister and the horse was a bribe to a senior news editor who is also your best friend.

Bassik:
How is the thing that happened with the guy in Germany not relevant to this topic?

What happened was relevent. The event not the guy, and we should then look at the idea that inspired the event and from that we can draw more useful understandings of why we believe this is bad as opposed to: Hitler did it, therefore bad.
Hitler doing something doesn't automatically make it bad... he owned a dog. Mentioning Hitler is a method of introducing a bias that most of us naturally have to the guy. Whether this bias is warranted is a separate discussion.

Katatori-kun:
Pithy slogans do not make for Truth.

People are fascinating. They are well worth discussing as they provide a very accessible, very human insight into complex issues.

Yes very true. This is therefore evidence which can be pieced together to something greater.

Katatori-kun:
To take your quote as gospel

Words in my mouth? Ok lets se where this goes.

Katatori-kun:
would suggest that every historical biographer who painstakingly pieces together the saga of people from the distant past has a small mind, while every dumbass stoner lounging on their couch with Dorito-stained fingers discussing, "like, the Universe, man" is a great mind.

Well I'd argue that what they are doing is building the picture themselves. People like historians are looking at people and events to build a bigger picture of us and our history. You put the pieces of the jigsaw together so that you may look at the whole picture.

Anyway few people have great minds. If anyone on this forum has a great mind then they are either young or severely wasting their time(through their own doing or circumstantial constraints)

Katatori-kun:
I always took the quote you posted as a warning against gossip and innuendo, not a fascist-style directive of which topics are acceptable for discussion.

It depends what standard the discussion is being held to. Circumstantial. I'd like to imagine as far as the internet goes The Escapist is better than most.

Blablahb:
But the comparison is accurate in this case. Both him and the national-socialists wanted concentration camps for homosexuals because their existance offended Christianity.

The comparison is correct (though Hitler may have been a Christian in the same sense that Napoleon was a Muslim), but the fact the coincidence is correct adds nothing to the discussion. Supporter of Eugenics is supporter of Eugenics. It doesn't make it worse that Hitler was a supporter of Eugenics compared to if he wasn't and this would all be fine-and-dandy.

Sounds like he should be sent to the death camp of tolerance!


;D

renegade7:
Hehe..."I"M EGGEN IT!!"

And can I maybe visit that lesbian camp?

Go for it, but I bet it'd be a boring visit.

OT: Guy has the right to be wrong, and we have the right to correct him.

NameIsRobertPaulson:

Shaoken:

Comando96:

You know Godwins law is still Godwins law even if you create the thread.

YOu know that Goodwins law doesn't actually state that a conversation goes downhill after bringing Hitler into it right? It just states that the longer a conversation on the internet goes on for the closer the propablity of a comparison to Hitler will come up. It never actually says that the comparison is always wrong.

Godwin's Law Addendum #1

"The person who first brings up Hitler instantly forfeits the argument"

That's what he's talking about.

That addendum wasn't originally apart of it, and it's just stupid. We have a Pastor who is talking about creating modernised concentration camps to put Homosexuals in until they died. Hitler created concentration camps to put a whole bunch of minorities he didn't like in until they died, and one of those groups (that people seem to gloss over) were Homosexuals, who even got their own badge they had to wear on their clothing like how the Jews had to wear the Star of David on their clothing (incidently the Homosexual badge's colour was pink, which prior to that was a masquiline colour. So whenever you associate the colour pink with homosexuality, that's because of Hitler).

My point is that there is in fact a valid comparison between what this guy is preaching and what Hitler actually did, so I think it's fair to actually point out said valid comparison.

This idiot should stick to being a preacher. His jokes missed my head and into the concentration camps he was blathering on about.

What he said is awful, but by no means surprising. Of course such hateful beliefs should be challenged verbally, but that sort of bigotry is often so deeply entrenched, especially in older people. A fool on the losing side...

Man I wish I could be in the audience with that last comment. Yes I can Imagen kissin a guy! It is fucking awesome also you have amassing gay porn on you computer!

And why is it always about sex with this kind of person? If my relationship hinged on sex... well to be honest it can't hinge on sex if it did it would not be a relationship, i have had casual sex with quite a few guys. but in no way are 90% of those even relatively close to a relationship with a partner.

I mean even above all the levels of pity I have for them in that they are hateful spiteful ignorant bastards the thing I pity most is that they on some level equate a relationship to sex. That is just sad, not angering, not anything for me to hate them over just real sad.

Frozen Fox:
Man I wish I could be in the audience with that last comment. Yes I can Imagen kissin a guy! It is fucking awesome also you have amassing gay porn on you computer!

Correct. We would also accept, "I don't like imagining you kissing anyone." I'm sure a photo of Pastor Manatee on a bearskin rug casting meaningful glances at the camera is enough to drive anyone - male, female, gay, straight, or zoophiliac off of sex for good.

So this guy wants to send George Takei to another interment camp. He grew up in one, does he expect him to die in one?

I know he is just one nut in a million and it might be best to ignore them until they go away (under the "don't feed the trolls" logic) but the problem is some people take silence as consent. If you don't call him, or people like him, on their bullshit they think they are right. And Righteous.

Hmmm...His proposals seem reasonable...But how would we pay for it?

sephyboy:
Hmmm...His proposals seem reasonable...But how would we pay for it?

Oh, that's easy: With the homosexuals' seized property and goods and their golden teeth fillings of course.
Bastard.

Shaoken:
(that people seem to gloss over)

Other such groups include Social Democrats and Communists, Roma, academics and other intellectuals, by the way.

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