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Dryk:

OT: I know very little about Mitt Romney, but surely he can't be the worst that the Republican party had to offer this year

He was one of the saner candidates in the Republican primary, perhaps the most sane.

He's not a great candidate considering he comes off as richey-rich and tries wayyyy too hard to fake it and ends up being embarrassing.

However, I think it will be a competitive race seeing as Obama is losing support on all sides. The Republicans have never liked him and he has successfully pissed off the far left Democrats and has been caught outright pandering.

Obama will likely win re-election just because in the US it's very rare to not get a 2nd term as President and Obama just hasn't screwed up badly enough to lose re-election.

I KNOW. It's a bunch of things, though.

1. People don't really follow politics, except in the vaguest sense where they're aware of signs and ads as they chop the veggies or commute from place to place.

2. Ad makers know this. Ad makers *count* on this.

3. Information overload-- even when people try to follow politics, there's internet and TV and the newspaper and all the stuff their family/friends post on Facebook, a blizzard of information and no idea how to sort it or which information to trust. When there's perceptual overload, emotional processing is much faster than what we'd call "reason". There's a whole book on neuroscience and politics (oh hey! kindle edition!) that goes into this very thing. It's partisan in recommendations, but it's still interesting for the science.

4. People are most concerned with jobs and the economy, both fantastically complex subjects that don't do well in sound bites. "They're spending us to death" is a great soundbite, even if it's 100% unadulterated bullshit. "We need a stimulus to put people back to work" isn't, and people are going to think "but I voted for this guy, and where are the jobs?" (which leads me back to #1)

5. The only thing everyone knows about Romney is "rich businessman". A businessman understands employing people and money, right?

JoJo:

I just quoted you to use your map, thanks! As for Mitt Romney getting 46% . . . well, how do I be polite about this? I guess I'll begin by saying that America looks pretty bland being in the colours of gray just like Russia and pretty much all of Asia. Seriously, you guys need to some more colour. You'll really be doing your selves a favor if you all refrain from electing a chameleon that goes about placing dogs on car roofs while simultaneously trying to stamp out basic rights for same sex couples. I for one would think U.S.A would look a lot better if it was dark blue, just like Canada. So please, don't be a chameleon. Be an American. Up here in Canada we elected a robot a few times and he's been trying to ban gay marriage ever since we got him into office. Please America, be cooler than Canada just this once. When we had weed and gay marriage your last president decided to be a douche about it and nearly killed our precious gay marriage (Weed didn't survive)which is basically the only thing that makes our place special.

You've got a black president that can sing while we're stuck with a robot, don't fuck this up guys.

lSHaDoW-FoXl:

JoJo:

I just quoted you to use your map, thanks! As for Mitt Romney getting 46% . . . well, how do I be polite about this? I guess I'll begin by saying that America looks pretty bland being in the colours of gray just like Russia and pretty much all of Asia.

The map is actually not accurate for the US. A tonne of States have banned gay marriage through constitutional amendments.
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Dark Blue - Same-sex marriage
Blue - Unions granting rights similar to marriage
Light Blue - Legislation granting limited/enumerated rights
Pink - Statute bans same-sex marriage
Red - Constitution bans same-sex marriage
Dark Red - Constitution bans same-sex marriage and some or all forms of same-sex unions

keiskay:

CaptainOctopus:
Don't worry someone who believes in magic underwear can not have access to 8,000 nuclear weapons, I think that's a rule... right? It's a rule right? Right?! Oh shit....

not voting for someone because of their religious beliefs is just stupid.

Tell that to the some 10 states where it's illegal to elect someone who is an atheist and nearly everyone who wouldn't vote an atheist into the presidential office purely based on that one simple fact.

Helmholtz Watson:
Your fooling yourself if you think it takes propaganda to find things unlikeable about Obama.

i know, some people hate him coz hes black.

as for the propaganda, all you have to do is listen to fox news, or watch obama haters cry to see how much of the hate is based on complete lies.

he is a muslim, he was born in kenya, he is a socialist, he is a liberal, he wants to take your guns, he is the most radical president of all time, he has cut the military, he is letting the terrorist win, he has spent way to much money, has increased government size too much...... all bullshit and all lies spread by fox news and the republican party, and that is just the top of the list.

pyrate:

lSHaDoW-FoXl:

JoJo:

I just quoted you to use your map, thanks! As for Mitt Romney getting 46% . . . well, how do I be polite about this? I guess I'll begin by saying that America looks pretty bland being in the colours of gray just like Russia and pretty much all of Asia.

The map is actually not accurate for the US. A tonne of States have banned gay marriage through constitutional amendments.

The world-wide map is actually accurate, it only colours places where either some sort of civil partnership or gay marriage is legal, or where homosexuality is illegal. Places where it's legal but no partnership rights are grey for simplicities sake, regardless of whether it's banned by statue or by constitution.

Allow me to step in here, I am speaking as a pretty big anti-republican here, but Romney's biggest downfall is how much he wants to win. He wants to win this so bad he will lie and cheat his way to the top like everyone else, only he is kinda shitty at it. People act as if we are comparing apples and oranges, but it is really more like oranges and tangerines. Ideologically, they fall in to the same middle of the road area, Romney happens to be around in a time where the republicans fell off their rockers and went insane. He had to appeal to those people and in doing so, fucked over his public image to everyone else.

Also, this is a side note to those who don't live in America. The elections are really non existent in about 80-90% of the states. The swing states decide the whole election. The simple act of winning Florida can change the outcome of an election because we don't count the popular vote as much as we count the delegates you acquire and the states you win. Obama had 0 campaigns here in Texas because the chances of him winning are about on the level of a Jewish man being put in charge of Iran. Texans to a large degree (and this is the same with people from New York, California, Alabama, Vermont, Maine, Mississippi etc) don't actually participate in the election. We get no ads, no campaigns, nothing. Now, if you live in Nevada, Florida, Ohio, Idaho and most of the Midwest, then you get treated to the spectacle of the election. So no, if we elect Romney, it would not because a collective miasma of stupid descended upon the country like the four horsemen of the apocalypse. It would probably be because Nevada felt like they were getting the smelly end of the economy stick.

Tyler Perry:

It most certainly has. It's been a slow, steady recovery, but the economy has improved exponentially since he took over and we were in absolute free fall.

I stand corrected. Last time I read about this was several months ago, and everyone was being very apocalyptic about it.

keiskay:

...but it seems all you have is weak evidence that is all second and 3rd hand reports...

Are you kidding me?!?! Watch the VIDEOS of Mitt Romney doing these things for yourself.
Then read the news articles about those events, written by reporters, who were there.
1st Hand Accounts.

In fact; here's some articles and blogs.

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/25/11882052-chronicling-mitts-mendacity-vol-xix?lite

/\ There's more than 20 pages of those /\

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/mitt-romneys-iowa-caucus-speech-full-text-and-video/2012/01/04/gIQAQ7vgaP_blog.html

/\ A full transcript and video of his Iowa caucus speech and its intertwined lies. /\

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/16/iowa-debate-fact-check/

/\ A fact check from his Iowa debate /\

I'm not going to list them all but to seriously suggest this is all unreliable third-party evidence is; as is often the case with Mitt Romney's claims. BULLSHIT.

keiskay:

so? politicans lie all the time, if you think they dont your clearly deluded.

Again, are you kidding me?!?! SO!?!?! He's a goddamn politician not Bill O'Reilly. As if your response to the suggestion of a politician lying is "so". But here's the difference, Obama isn't just making stuff about Mitt Romney (Albeit because Mitt Romney is his own worst enemy)

keiskay:
i'll give your other sources credit except for bloomberg.com that sites about as viable as fox news for reliable information.

Okay, doesn't change the fact it still happened.
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/05/mitt-romney-fire-gay-staffer-ardith-wieworka

keiskay:
Oh no! a man associates with with a person who donated millions to his campaign and then he later retracts his agreement. Romney does not agree with trumps birther stance.

Yes, he's hanging out with the sun peeled idiot. The fact that Mitt Romney would be seen even near him says everything it needs to about Mitts perception and connection to people like Trump.

keiskay:
basically hes being attacked the same reason obama is attacked, because people are afraid that the big bad guy from the other party might win.

He's being attacked for being a turn-coat on almost everything he's done before the Election became a focus. Health care? That alone is enough to prove my point.

But here's some more examples;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/9116640/Romney-changes-view-on-contraception-coverage-within-an-hour.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLIuG7tA_Y0&feature=player_embedded

http://www.businessinsider.com/14-bald-faced-mitt-romney-flip-flops-that-were-dug-up-by-john-mccain-2012-1#1-on-immigration-for-a-path-to-citizenship-then-against-1

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/may/18/politifacts-guide-mitt-romneys-flip-flops/

And finally, that's just it. For too many American voters this election isn't about fixing the economy or helping people but getting the black guy out of the white house. Getting rid of the Democrats big black wolf. And the reality is its the Republican party, or at least their base that's got these motives, plus the Tea Party who are just liquid comedy pressed into the shapes of people.

Obama has positioned himself as a centrist, trying to reach compromise with the Republican representatives and to enact change. But they just keep cock-blocking him like fucking children. Does the GOP filibuster ring any bells?

keiskay:

CaptainOctopus:
Don't worry someone who believes in magic underwear can not have access to 8,000 nuclear weapons, I think that's a rule... right? It's a rule right? Right?! Oh shit....

not voting for someone because of their religious beliefs is just stupid.

How is that stupid BTW? Not voting for someone because they believe in magic underwear and a blonde god that lives on an actual planet somewhere in the universe. Your okay with someone that believes these things, having their finger on the button? I think that if someone is willing to believe these things, it tells huge amounts about their character and how they are not a suitable candidate for Presidency.

Digitaldreamer7:

keiskay:

CaptainOctopus:
Don't worry someone who believes in magic underwear can not have access to 8,000 nuclear weapons, I think that's a rule... right? It's a rule right? Right?! Oh shit....

not voting for someone because of their religious beliefs is just stupid.

Tell that to the some 10 states where it's illegal to elect someone who is an atheist and nearly everyone who wouldn't vote an atheist into the presidential office purely based on that one simple fact.

sO? you treat as if my statement only protects theist. it doesn't. if you don't vote for someone because of their religious beliefs or lack there of, you don't deserve to vote, ever. if you vote for someone just because of their religious beliefs or lack there of you dont deserve to vote, ever.

now why do i say ever? because voting for people on 1 thing like that is completely idiotic and stupid and show you dont care enough about their actual views, stances, and ideas to even bother making an informed decision.

rEvolution:

keiskay:

...but it seems all you have is weak evidence that is all second and 3rd hand reports...

Are you kidding me?!?! Watch the VIDEOS of Mitt Romney doing these things for yourself.
Then read the news articles about those events, written by reporters, who were there.
1st Hand Accounts.

In fact; here's some articles and blogs.

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/25/11882052-chronicling-mitts-mendacity-vol-xix?lite

/\ There's more than 20 pages of those /\

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/mitt-romneys-iowa-caucus-speech-full-text-and-video/2012/01/04/gIQAQ7vgaP_blog.html

/\ A full transcript and video of his Iowa caucus speech and its intertwined lies. /\

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/16/iowa-debate-fact-check/

/\ A fact check from his Iowa debate /\

I'm not going to list them all but to seriously suggest this is all unreliable third-party evidence is; as is often the case with Mitt Romney's claims. BULLSHIT.

keiskay:

so? politicans lie all the time, if you think they dont your clearly deluded.

Again, are you kidding me?!?! SO!?!?! He's a goddamn politician not Bill O'Reilly. As if your response to the suggestion of a politician lying is "so". But here's the difference, Obama isn't just making stuff about Mitt Romney (Albeit because Mitt Romney is his own worst enemy)

keiskay:
i'll give your other sources credit except for bloomberg.com that sites about as viable as fox news for reliable information.

Okay, doesn't change the fact it still happened.
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/05/mitt-romney-fire-gay-staffer-ardith-wieworka

keiskay:
Oh no! a man associates with with a person who donated millions to his campaign and then he later retracts his agreement. Romney does not agree with trumps birther stance.

Yes, he's hanging out with the sun peeled idiot. The fact that Mitt Romney would be seen even near him says everything it needs to about Mitts perception and connection to people like Trump.

keiskay:
basically hes being attacked the same reason obama is attacked, because people are afraid that the big bad guy from the other party might win.

He's being attacked for being a turn-coat on almost everything he's done before the Election became a focus. Health care? That alone is enough to prove my point.

But here's some more examples;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/9116640/Romney-changes-view-on-contraception-coverage-within-an-hour.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLIuG7tA_Y0&feature=player_embedded

http://www.businessinsider.com/14-bald-faced-mitt-romney-flip-flops-that-were-dug-up-by-john-mccain-2012-1#1-on-immigration-for-a-path-to-citizenship-then-against-1

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/may/18/politifacts-guide-mitt-romneys-flip-flops/

And finally, that's just it. For too many American voters this election isn't about fixing the economy or helping people but getting the black guy out of the white house. Getting rid of the Democrats big black wolf. And the reality is its the Republican party, or at least their base that's got these motives, plus the Tea Party who are just liquid comedy pressed into the shapes of people.

Obama has positioned himself as a centrist, trying to reach compromise with the Republican representatives and to enact change. But they just keep cock-blocking him like fucking children. Does the GOP filibuster ring any bells?

keiskay:

CaptainOctopus:
Don't worry someone who believes in magic underwear can not have access to 8,000 nuclear weapons, I think that's a rule... right? It's a rule right? Right?! Oh shit....

not voting for someone because of their religious beliefs is just stupid.

How is that stupid BTW? Not voting for someone because they believe in magic underwear and a blonde god that lives on an actual planet somewhere in the universe. Your okay with someone that believes these things, having their finger on the button? I think that if someone is willing to believe these things, it tells huge amounts about their character and how they are not a suitable candidate for Presidency.

i wasnt talking about his flip flopping, everyone fucking knows he does it, hell last election everyone focused on another flip flopper to i believe her name was Hillary. flippers happen every election year.

so you know nothing of the actual religion the man holds, except for the stereotyped and wrong anti-Mormon propaganda. so you are such a bigot against religion that you would not vote for a man because he holds an odd belief that you yourself no nothing about? thats like millions of christians not voting for an atheist because they dont understand what atheism is. I hope you would at least hold yourself to higher standards then the sheep of the world, but i guess not.

but at least you understand the guys political faults to basic extent, as in all of the common basic knowledge everyone has of him.

drmigit2:
Allow me to step in here, I am speaking as a pretty big anti-republican here, but Romney's biggest downfall is how much he wants to win. He wants to win this so bad he will lie and cheat his way to the top like everyone else, only he is kinda shitty at it. People act as if we are comparing apples and oranges, but it is really more like oranges and tangerines. Ideologically, they fall in to the same middle of the road area, Romney happens to be around in a time where the republicans fell off their rockers and went insane. He had to appeal to those people and in doing so, fucked over his public image to everyone else.

The worst part about this, and possibly the source of his utter spinelessness, can be traced to his father, Governor of Michigan George Romney. George Romney, and, more-importantly, his presidential run in 1968, was clearly a principled and passionate man, supportive of civil rights and unions and wary of the hard-right base symbolized by the John Birch Society at the time. And for his passion and principles, he lost to Richard Nixon, a pragmatic, intelligent cynic who was more than willing to play to that base. Imagine what that does to a person, especially one as hyper-analytic as Mitt Romney.

Even their lives, put in parallel, becomes a fun-house mirror of each other. After their childhoods, where the two were virtual opposites (George Romney grew up in poverty, Mitt Romney grew up in privilege), both went on missions as part of their faith and pursued business. George went to a impoverished Glasgow slum, Mitt to Bordeux. George Romney worked for industry with companies such as Alcoa after a few years working in the US Federal government in the FRC, and the US Congress, and then went to represent and eventually be executive of the American Motor Company. While George served in the Nixon Administration as HUD Secretary, his son, after getting a joint JD/MBA at Harvard (not something to sneeze at, mind you, and his father encouraged the JD), he went into management consulting with Boston Consulting Group and then Bain & Company, then going into private equity as a founding partner of Bain Capital. Mitt's first attempt at government service was the 1994 Massachusetts Senate campaign, where he was crushed 41-58 by Ted Kennedy (admittedly, also the closest margin Kennedy ever won by in his reelections). The next foray into public service was managing the 2002 Olympic Games (where his actual actions and influence are disputed) and his successful 2002 run for Massachusetts governor, now the subject du jur of the the presidential campaign.

Every time I see Mitt speak and cower to the GOP base, I want to scream at him "you bring shame upon your father's name." It is truly unseemly to know to watch him, knowing the great legacy of his father...

rEvolution:
*snip*

Or, you could just understand that sometimes you deal with people you don't agree with to reach important goals.

keiskay:
not voting for someone because of their religious beliefs is just stupid.

So if I don't vote for a fanatical Christian who thinks all atheists are satan himself and must be exterminated, then I'm being stupid?

Blablahb:

keiskay:
not voting for someone because of their religious beliefs is just stupid.

So if I don't vote for a fanatical Christian who thinks all atheists are satan himself and must be exterminated, then I'm being stupid?

oh hey look its strawblahb with strawmen and non sequitur , to put it short though im going to say yes. because even if he believes that doesn't mean his political views, policies, or ideologies reflect that.

Revnak:

rEvolution:
*snip*

Or, you could just understand that sometimes you deal with people you don't agree with to reach important goals.

Are you seriously equating Donald Trump to Heads of State?

The Gentleman:

Revnak:

rEvolution:
*snip*

Or, you could just understand that sometimes you deal with people you don't agree with to reach important goals.

Are you seriously equating Donald Trump to Heads of State?

Are you seriously not? I'm pretty certain the sum of his influence is quite a bit larger than most heads of state. But I suppose that isn't really the point. The point is that Trump has something Romney needs so Romney is very willing to accept his support or try to gain it. I wouldn't call that evil, stupid, or even a grey area choice. I'd say it's right. Considering Romney has essentially only gone so far as to not say mean things about the guy, I really have no clue how this is an issue.

Revnak:

The Gentleman:

Revnak:

Or, you could just understand that sometimes you deal with people you don't agree with to reach important goals.

Are you seriously equating Donald Trump to Heads of State?

Are you seriously not? I'm pretty certain the sum of his influence is quite a bit larger than most heads of state. But I suppose that isn't really the point. The point is that Trump has something Romney needs so Romney is very willing to accept his support or try to gain it. I wouldn't call that evil, stupid, or even a grey area choice. I'd say it's right. Considering Romney has essentially only gone so far as to not say mean things about the guy,

What exactly does Trump have that Romney needs that justifies entertaining a conspiracy theorist when every strategist right or left has essentially said "what they fuck are you doing?" It isn't money, that's for sure. There are dozens of donors with plenty more that are willing to dump money into the SuperPAC than whatever could be gained from a Trump fundraiser.

Revnak:
I really have no clue how this is an issue.

Trump has spent the last year peddling the race-baiting "Obama is not an American citizen" conspiracy theory and even made it a central part of his short run for the presidential nomination. This is the theory that even Rush Limbaugh has refuted as a unnecessary distraction and not good for the GOP. This is after Trump got a center seat at last year's White House Correspondence Dinner and got the Hawaii long-form birth certificate shoved practically in his face. The nicest thing people have said about Trump on this is that he doesn't actually believe it and is just using it as a ratings boost...

As for Trump's "influence," that's, at best, a joke. He's the host of a reality TV program, owns a handful of real estate, and is greatly disliked in the real estate community for his behavior bordering on being a con-artist. The only influence he has are the handful of poor sods who believe the bullshit that spews from his mouth...

keiskay:
dear europeans; stop being judgmental xenophobes, and then maybe we can talk.

also its in your best interest to at least learn about the man you are attacking. since you have said nothing about him, his ideals, or views, or anything of actual truth relating to him, you just dont like him because he is a republican.

You didn't even read the OP before splurting all over about how Europe makes such a target of America and apparently because he doesn't like the republican party/one of their candidates that makes him a xenophobe, and therefore all of Europe a xenophobe.

I'm sorry, who's making rash assumptions and being xenophobic here?

Just to let you know, the majority of the western world thinks Romney is a Fucking Lunatic, this isn't a crack at America, but one of your candidates, that we're allowed to be a bit worried about to be getting so much attention.

I think Romney would be a disaster for the western world but all I can think now is that I sortof want a cock puppet.

The Gentleman:

Revnak:

The Gentleman:

Are you seriously equating Donald Trump to Heads of State?

Are you seriously not? I'm pretty certain the sum of his influence is quite a bit larger than most heads of state. But I suppose that isn't really the point. The point is that Trump has something Romney needs so Romney is very willing to accept his support or try to gain it. I wouldn't call that evil, stupid, or even a grey area choice. I'd say it's right. Considering Romney has essentially only gone so far as to not say mean things about the guy,

What exactly does Trump have that Romney needs that justifies entertaining a conspiracy theorist when every strategist right or left has essentially said "what they fuck are you doing?" It isn't money, that's for sure. There are dozens of donors with plenty more that are willing to dump money into the SuperPAC than whatever could be gained from a Trump fundraiser.

Revnak:
I really have no clue how this is an issue.

Trump has spent the last year peddling the race-baiting "Obama is not an American citizen" conspiracy theory and even made it a central part of his short run for the presidential nomination. This is the theory that even Rush Limbaugh has refuted as a unnecessary distraction and not good for the GOP. This is after Trump got a center seat at last year's White House Correspondence Dinner and got the Hawaii long-form birth certificate shoved practically in his face. The nicest thing people have said about Trump on this is that he doesn't actually believe it and is just using it as a ratings boost...

As for Trump's "influence," that's, at best, a joke. He's the host of a reality TV program, owns a handful of real estate, and is greatly disliked in the real estate community for his behavior bordering on being a con-artist. The only influence he has are the handful of poor sods who believe the bullshit that spews from his mouth...

So, does it really matter if Romney doesn't call him out on it? More money is very nice for a campaign, why do something will make you lose a donator? And if nobody really cares about what he has to say then that's even more of a reason to not do anything? Why care?

Beautiful Tragedy:
I couldn't agree more! The man is so far out of touch with reality, as is his entire party. Granted, being in the LBGTQ community I stand to "suffer" under a GOP regime, and Obama should be praised for the things he's done and said in support of said community. That's my biggest concern, believe me i have many more, but that's number one.

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Barak Obama said he personally supported homosexuals.
JFK said he personally supported the blacks.
Only difference being, JFK was murdered and his replacement actually followed what the president said he wanted to do and passed the reforms. The same will not happen with Obama.
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keiskay:

CaptainOctopus:
Don't worry someone who believes in magic underwear can not have access to 8,000 nuclear weapons, I think that's a rule... right? It's a rule right? Right?! Oh shit....

not voting for someone because of their religious beliefs is just stupid.

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That's a part of the Anti-Obama campaign, claiming he's a 'secret muslim' and therefore they shouldn't vote for him. Most of the American public would not vote for a Muslim president, the connotation to enemy of the state are too strong.
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keiskay:

rEvolution:

keiskay:
dear europeans; stop being judgmental xenophobes, and then maybe we can talk.

also its in your best interest to at least learn about the man you are attacking. since you have said nothing about him, his ideals, or views, or anything of actual truth relating to him, you just dont like him because he is a republican.

I know why its referentially called Obama Romney Care. Weird how Mitt's 2006 Healthcare law is the basis of the national equivalent. But now that Romney is the Republican lap dog, he hates it.

I know he's completely out of touch with reality; he consistently tells miss truths about Obama's position on matters and his actions in others. Look at his campaign speeches for examples; such as the ones in Georgia, Iowa or when he was hanging out with Ralph Reed in Wisconsin and making more stuff up.

His remarks to the Newspaper Association of America regarding Medicare. *ahem*Paul Ryan*ahem*

When he flat out lied about things he said, TWICE in one go; double whammy.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/01/mitt-romney-lied-new-hampshire-europe-poverty

He lied about Obama's international trade agreements and job plan in the South Carolina Debate. http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/16/south-carolina-debate-fact-check/

He's associating with Donald Trump. (Need I say more)

This ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2UhEKQTXDk&feature=player_embedded
For an inaugural advert, its a real zinger on facts.

There's various websites and blogs now, dedicated to listing every miss truth and lie Mitt Romney has told.

Not just political but on a personal level;

He's publicly stated he believes corporations are people. (Iowa State Fairground)

Bain Capital turned companies around by firing the majority of the work force.

He and a group of his friends pinned a gay kid down and cut his hair.

He strapped a dog to the roof of his car for 12 hours.

So no. I do know about him (Though I have summarized that knowledge very heavily to fit into this short essay). Cheers.

Helmholtz Watson:
Please elaborate. I don't see how Romney being elected would justify European countries criticism for us going to Afghanistan.

Fixed that for you.
You know that GWB Jr. doesn't represent every Republican presidential candidate, right?

Romeny or Bush? If Romney, then please explain.

First go look at the African and Middle-Eastern countries before you make such ignorant comments. Second, prove that Romeny is afraid of homosexuals.

Because like you said, Obama isn't perfect and as a result some people are disappointed with what he has(or hasn't) done. Personally I'm still on the fence about who to vote for.

Okay, you missed the point of that, let me elaborate:

To elect Mitt Romney as President of the United States would be such a monumentally stupid thing to do that it would negate any respect of intelligence for America, that as Mitt Romney knows; 50.1% of the voting population or more thought he was a better choice than Barack Obama.

I'm not singing Obama's praise, but its ludicrous to even momentarily think Mitt Romney is an improvement and that on average something like 46% of people in America think this; justifies my assertion of Americas apparent ignorance. If a Political figure acted as Mitt Romney has and continues to do so in Europe or other western nations, they'd be laughed out; not considered a serious contender for the leadership of the country.

Your right about GWB not being the Republican template, but on a whole contributed enormously to Americas national debt. If you look at the statistics, in 2007, the last year on Bush's term, Americas national debt skyrockets. Like he wanted to spoil the economy for the next guy. Now the republican party is blaming Obama for their parties mess, a mess that occurred on their watch. [EDIT] The point being, America elected a blatant moron before, TWICE even. I would of thought that happening would make voters very wary of people like Mitt Romney. Unless they're too stupid to know any better perhaps? [EDIT]

Both of them. I think my prior examples justify this claim. For both of them.

Oooh sorry, I just assumed America would want to be seated at the big-boy table with the other developed countries not with African and Middle-Eastern developing nations. My bad, I guess it must be a pretty satisfy stroke fest comparing America to somewhere like Liberia.

To take the use of the word "Homophobia" to literally mean a fear of Homosexuals is quite narrow. In reality modern Homophobia is more akin to a range of dislike and negative attitudes towards Homosexuals and generally the LGBT community, varying from Homophobes to Homophobes of course.

Now Mitt Romney was raised a Mormon, a pretty devout one given his role in his local Church. That religion expressly forbids homosexuality and has stated their belief it is a curable condition (Hafen, Bruce C (19 September 2009)).
He's opposed same sex marriage.
Fired a Gay staffer because of some pressure from anti-gay movements
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-03/mitt-romney-s-bigotry-needs-no-spokesman.html

That's not Homophobia?

So there's my justification.

Plus couple that with America's hardly sterling global image and Mitt Romney could do for America what Travis did for Old Yeller.

i'll give your other sources credit except for bloomberg.com that sites about as viable as fox news for reliable information.

so? politicans lie all the time, if you think they dont your clearly deluded.

Oh no! a man associates with with a person who donated millions to his campaign and then he later retracts his agreement. Romney does not agree with trumps birther stance.

but it seems all you have is weak evidence that is all second and 3rd hand reports from people who had no prior interest in the man til recently. he is being attacked because he is the GoP front runner. basically hes being attacked the same reason obama is attacked, because people are afraid that the big bad guy from the other party might win.

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He is misinforming the public so he will be elected - he is lying to the American people.
THIS IS A HUGE DEAL.

Midgeamoo:

keiskay:
dear europeans; stop being judgmental xenophobes, and then maybe we can talk.

also its in your best interest to at least learn about the man you are attacking. since you have said nothing about him, his ideals, or views, or anything of actual truth relating to him, you just dont like him because he is a republican.

You didn't even read the OP before splurting all over about how Europe makes such a target of America and apparently because he doesn't like the republican party/one of their candidates that makes him a xenophobe, and therefore all of Europe a xenophobe.

I'm sorry, who's making rash assumptions and being xenophobic here?

Just to let you know, the majority of the western world thinks Romney is a Fucking Lunatic, this isn't a crack at America, but one of your candidates, that we're allowed to be a bit worried about to be getting so much attention.

i did read the op and he pretty much said that if we elect romney, that we rightfully deserve all the criticism aimed at us by Europeans, he made a gross over generalization that i countered with my own.

did you even read the op?

If you elect Mitt Romney as your President on November 6th then you have validated every ounce of mockery ever leveled at you.

first line there, hmm i guess there is nothing wrong with that, besides vitriol and lack of any understanding of Americans and American politics.

but he tried to make it better with this.

This isn't an attack on Amercia as a whole but on its apparent ignorance nor is it a claim of any countries superiority. But you have to admit, there arnt many other countries where a homophobic, religious bigot has a serious chance of being president.

which is the equivalent of saying, im not a racist but (insert racist comment here).

yes and many Americans feel that Europeans are xenophobic racists with a double standard. doesn't make it true and isn't a crack at all Europeans, but there is a basis in reality for their ideas at least.

TheIronRuler:

Beautiful Tragedy:
I couldn't agree more! The man is so far out of touch with reality, as is his entire party. Granted, being in the LBGTQ community I stand to "suffer" under a GOP regime, and Obama should be praised for the things he's done and said in support of said community. That's my biggest concern, believe me i have many more, but that's number one.

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Barak Obama said he personally supported homosexuals.
JFK said he personally supported the blacks.
Only difference being, JFK was murdered and his replacement actually followed what the president said he wanted to do and passed the reforms. The same will not happen with Obama.
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keiskay:

CaptainOctopus:
Don't worry someone who believes in magic underwear can not have access to 8,000 nuclear weapons, I think that's a rule... right? It's a rule right? Right?! Oh shit....

not voting for someone because of their religious beliefs is just stupid.

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That's a part of the Anti-Obama campaign, claiming he's a 'secret muslim' and therefore they shouldn't vote for him. Most of the American public would not vote for a Muslim president, the connotation to enemy of the state are too strong.
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keiskay:

rEvolution:

I know why its referentially called Obama Romney Care. Weird how Mitt's 2006 Healthcare law is the basis of the national equivalent. But now that Romney is the Republican lap dog, he hates it.

I know he's completely out of touch with reality; he consistently tells miss truths about Obama's position on matters and his actions in others. Look at his campaign speeches for examples; such as the ones in Georgia, Iowa or when he was hanging out with Ralph Reed in Wisconsin and making more stuff up.

His remarks to the Newspaper Association of America regarding Medicare. *ahem*Paul Ryan*ahem*

When he flat out lied about things he said, TWICE in one go; double whammy.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/01/mitt-romney-lied-new-hampshire-europe-poverty

He lied about Obama's international trade agreements and job plan in the South Carolina Debate. http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/16/south-carolina-debate-fact-check/

He's associating with Donald Trump. (Need I say more)

This ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2UhEKQTXDk&feature=player_embedded
For an inaugural advert, its a real zinger on facts.

There's various websites and blogs now, dedicated to listing every miss truth and lie Mitt Romney has told.

Not just political but on a personal level;

He's publicly stated he believes corporations are people. (Iowa State Fairground)

Bain Capital turned companies around by firing the majority of the work force.

He and a group of his friends pinned a gay kid down and cut his hair.

He strapped a dog to the roof of his car for 12 hours.

So no. I do know about him (Though I have summarized that knowledge very heavily to fit into this short essay). Cheers.

Okay, you missed the point of that, let me elaborate:

To elect Mitt Romney as President of the United States would be such a monumentally stupid thing to do that it would negate any respect of intelligence for America, that as Mitt Romney knows; 50.1% of the voting population or more thought he was a better choice than Barack Obama.

I'm not singing Obama's praise, but its ludicrous to even momentarily think Mitt Romney is an improvement and that on average something like 46% of people in America think this; justifies my assertion of Americas apparent ignorance. If a Political figure acted as Mitt Romney has and continues to do so in Europe or other western nations, they'd be laughed out; not considered a serious contender for the leadership of the country.

Your right about GWB not being the Republican template, but on a whole contributed enormously to Americas national debt. If you look at the statistics, in 2007, the last year on Bush's term, Americas national debt skyrockets. Like he wanted to spoil the economy for the next guy. Now the republican party is blaming Obama for their parties mess, a mess that occurred on their watch. [EDIT] The point being, America elected a blatant moron before, TWICE even. I would of thought that happening would make voters very wary of people like Mitt Romney. Unless they're too stupid to know any better perhaps? [EDIT]

Both of them. I think my prior examples justify this claim. For both of them.

Oooh sorry, I just assumed America would want to be seated at the big-boy table with the other developed countries not with African and Middle-Eastern developing nations. My bad, I guess it must be a pretty satisfy stroke fest comparing America to somewhere like Liberia.

To take the use of the word "Homophobia" to literally mean a fear of Homosexuals is quite narrow. In reality modern Homophobia is more akin to a range of dislike and negative attitudes towards Homosexuals and generally the LGBT community, varying from Homophobes to Homophobes of course.

Now Mitt Romney was raised a Mormon, a pretty devout one given his role in his local Church. That religion expressly forbids homosexuality and has stated their belief it is a curable condition (Hafen, Bruce C (19 September 2009)).
He's opposed same sex marriage.
Fired a Gay staffer because of some pressure from anti-gay movements
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-03/mitt-romney-s-bigotry-needs-no-spokesman.html

That's not Homophobia?

So there's my justification.

Plus couple that with America's hardly sterling global image and Mitt Romney could do for America what Travis did for Old Yeller.

i'll give your other sources credit except for bloomberg.com that sites about as viable as fox news for reliable information.

so? politicans lie all the time, if you think they dont your clearly deluded.

Oh no! a man associates with with a person who donated millions to his campaign and then he later retracts his agreement. Romney does not agree with trumps birther stance.

but it seems all you have is weak evidence that is all second and 3rd hand reports from people who had no prior interest in the man til recently. he is being attacked because he is the GoP front runner. basically hes being attacked the same reason obama is attacked, because people are afraid that the big bad guy from the other party might win.

.
He is misinforming the public so he will be elected - he is lying to the American people.
THIS IS A HUGE DEAL.

so? i know its part of the anti-obama campaign and its incredibly weak and stupid, its also part of the anti-romney campaign so whats your point?

so? politicians misinform voters and make false promises all the damn time. this isnt just an issue exclusive to romeny.

keiskay:

so? i know its part of the anti-obama campaign and its incredibly weak and stupid, its also part of the anti-romney campaign so whats your point?

so? politicians misinform voters and make false promises all the damn time. this isnt just an issue exclusive to romeny.

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Most of the USA citizens wouldn't vote for a candidate because of his religion.
Which means that most of the USA citizens are stupid (By your logic).

keiskay:

Digitaldreamer7:

keiskay:
not voting for someone because of their religious beliefs is just stupid.

Tell that to the some 10 states where it's illegal to elect someone who is an atheist and nearly everyone who wouldn't vote an atheist into the presidential office purely based on that one simple fact.

sO? you treat as if my statement only protects theist. it doesn't. if you don't vote for someone because of their religious beliefs or lack there of, you don't deserve to vote, ever. if you vote for someone just because of their religious beliefs or lack there of you dont deserve to vote, ever.

now why do i say ever? because voting for people on 1 thing like that is completely idiotic and stupid and show you dont care enough about their actual views, stances, and ideas to even bother making an informed decision.

slow down man, I should have added a /sarcasm tag to that. I was completely agreeing and also stating that it's actually illegal in some states for someone who is without a religion to hold political office. As in.. Someone should tell them they are stupid for not allowing someone to hold office based on lack of religion.

TheIronRuler:

keiskay:

so? i know its part of the anti-obama campaign and its incredibly weak and stupid, its also part of the anti-romney campaign so whats your point?

so? politicians misinform voters and make false promises all the damn time. this isnt just an issue exclusive to romeny.

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Most of the USA citizens wouldn't vote for a candidate because of his religion.
Which means that most of the USA citizens are stupid (By your logic).

yeah pretty much. or at the very least childish.

Digitaldreamer7:

keiskay:

Digitaldreamer7:

Tell that to the some 10 states where it's illegal to elect someone who is an atheist and nearly everyone who wouldn't vote an atheist into the presidential office purely based on that one simple fact.

sO? you treat as if my statement only protects theist. it doesn't. if you don't vote for someone because of their religious beliefs or lack there of, you don't deserve to vote, ever. if you vote for someone just because of their religious beliefs or lack there of you dont deserve to vote, ever.

now why do i say ever? because voting for people on 1 thing like that is completely idiotic and stupid and show you dont care enough about their actual views, stances, and ideas to even bother making an informed decision.

slow down man, I should have added a /sarcasm tag to that. I was completely agreeing and also stating that it's actually illegal in some states to vote for someone who is without a religion.

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Oral Sex is illegal in 12 states in the USA.
You can't argue with old world values, fear and ignorance. You can try, but they will throw rocks at you.

TheIronRuler:

Digitaldreamer7:

keiskay:
sO? you treat as if my statement only protects theist. it doesn't. if you don't vote for someone because of their religious beliefs or lack there of, you don't deserve to vote, ever. if you vote for someone just because of their religious beliefs or lack there of you dont deserve to vote, ever.

now why do i say ever? because voting for people on 1 thing like that is completely idiotic and stupid and show you dont care enough about their actual views, stances, and ideas to even bother making an informed decision.

slow down man, I should have added a /sarcasm tag to that. I was completely agreeing and also stating that it's actually illegal in some states to vote for someone who is without a religion.

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Oral Sex is illegal in 12 states in the USA.
You can't argue with old world values, fear and ignorance. You can try, but they will throw rocks at you.

If they ever catch my wife and I... we'd end up in jail for a looooooooooooooooooooong time.

TheIronRuler:

Beautiful Tragedy:
I couldn't agree more! The man is so far out of touch with reality, as is his entire party. Granted, being in the LBGTQ community I stand to "suffer" under a GOP regime, and Obama should be praised for the things he's done and said in support of said community. That's my biggest concern, believe me i have many more, but that's number one.

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Barak Obama said he personally supported homosexuals.
JFK said he personally supported the blacks.
Only difference being, JFK was murdered and his replacement actually followed what the president said he wanted to do and passed the reforms. The same will not happen with Obama.
]

Yep, that's pretty obvious... the people against gay marriage obviously aren't as enlighten as the people who helped pass the civil rights bill.

Digitaldreamer7:

TheIronRuler:

Digitaldreamer7:

slow down man, I should have added a /sarcasm tag to that. I was completely agreeing and also stating that it's actually illegal in some states to vote for someone who is without a religion.

.
Oral Sex is illegal in 12 states in the USA.
You can't argue with old world values, fear and ignorance. You can try, but they will throw rocks at you.

If they ever catch my wife and I... we'd end up in jail for a looooooooooooooooooooong time.

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Sodomy is illegal in even more states. Sad day for your love-life.
Use google to find out if you're a sex-offender.

reonhato:

i know, some people hate him coz hes black.

as for the propaganda, all you have to do is listen to fox news, or watch obama haters cry to see how much of the hate is based on complete lies.

he is a muslim, he was born in kenya, he is a socialist, he is a liberal, he wants to take your guns, he is the most radical president of all time, he has cut the military, he is letting the terrorist win, he has spent way to much money, has increased government size too much...... all bullshit and all lies spread by fox news and the republican party, and that is just the top of the list.

Let me first say that I haven't decided who to vote for and I'm still on the fence.

Now then, his race and what Fox news says isn't why not everybody like the man. There are a couple of other reasons as well

Helmholtz Watson:

reonhato:

i know, some people hate him coz hes black.

as for the propaganda, all you have to do is listen to fox news, or watch obama haters cry to see how much of the hate is based on complete lies.

he is a muslim, he was born in kenya, he is a socialist, he is a liberal, he wants to take your guns, he is the most radical president of all time, he has cut the military, he is letting the terrorist win, he has spent way to much money, has increased government size too much...... all bullshit and all lies spread by fox news and the republican party, and that is just the top of the list.

Let me first say that I haven't decided who to vote for and I'm still on the fence.

Now then, his race and what Fox news says isn't why not everybody like the man. There are a couple of other reasons as well

yeah coz its possible for a president to not break a single promise. in terms of presidents obamas success rate for actually doing things he promised is actually really high, that is despite half the things on that list that he has not done is not his fault but congresses.

reonhato:
missing the point

The point of that link was to show you that a person doesn't have to watch Fox News or be a racist to not be happy with the current presidents performance. There are plenty of valid things to be annoyed with.

And before you start, yes I'm well aware that there are people who don't like the president because of his race or because Fox News tells them to, it's just that they don't represent everybody that doesn't like the man.

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