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Poll: Romney's Running Mate TBA (Apparently, it's Paul Ryan.)

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So it's coming today: Mitt's gonna announce his veep pick. So who the hell is it going to be? There's been endless speculation on the matter. Some think it's going to be Condaleeza Rice despite her protests to the contrary, others say Marco Rubio, some bet on "safer" choices like Tim Pawlenty.

Honestly, I'd like to see the dark horse pick Rice get the spot, though I'd settle for Rubio. Both have struck me in the past as having their heads screwed on fairly well. I know nothing about Pawlenty. Didn't he run for President as well at some point, or am I getting him mixed up with someone?

At any rate, now that the moment has come, who do you think it's gonna be: and what do you think each candidate would do to the campaign, if anything? Do you believe that the veep pick will have any effect on the election at all?

EDIT: Whoops, forgot this!

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/mitt-romney-announce-vp-pick-saturday-032140054.html It's Paul Ryan who is going to be the running mate of Mitt Romney. Reportedly, that is.

tendaji:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/mitt-romney-announce-vp-pick-saturday-032140054.html It's Paul Ryan who is going to be the running mate of Mitt Romney. Reportedly, that is.

Ah damn, someone spoiled the surprise. CNN's reporting the same, so odds are it's true.

Oh well. Don't know much about Ryan other than he was supposed to be the other "safe" pick, but I'm sure he'll become a familiar face rather soon then.

EDIT: Apparently my lack of knowledge regarding Ryan is the norm, so I can feel a little better about it.

I don't like Paul Ryan, as far as I'm concerned he is just another Republican lapdog that follows the commands of its masters (corporations and the banks). I know this could be said of most politicians, but something about Ryan bothers me more than most, it might be because of his budget that would have gutted many different government programs, because that budget was one of the main things the last few years that I really really disagreed with. This is of course all irreverent as there is no way I'm voting for the Republican ticket, so it doesn't matter to me.

If Mittens actually picks Paul Ryan, it's game over for him.

evilneko:
If Mittens actually picks Paul Ryan, it's game over for him.

It wouldn't surprise me if that's the POINT now. With all the Bain association, shady business practices, ditching money offshore to avoid taxes, and the overall transparency about his taxes hampering Romney's already less than stellar image and credibility, the GOP may decide that this election cycle is a wash and they may as well start building someone else for a 2016 run.

evilneko:
If Mittens actually picks Paul Ryan, it's game over for him.

Well, if that happens, kinda wish they went with an out of left field pick. Someone nobody saw coming. Y'know, go out with a bang and all that. Though...last time that was done, we ended up inflating Palin's political ego, and look what that got us.

It pretty standard to pick a VP who is either the opposite politically, or just far enough away to gain some support you would of gotten.

For example, young and different from the last guy Obama picked, old and basically a George W. Bush, Joe Biden. It is forgivable to of forgotten Joe Biden's existence, since he kind of has turned into the invisible man.

I assume that is what happening here, in hopes of getting more people from the Tea Party to vote the not so conservative (or Libertarian for that matter) Romney. I doubt it will be political suicide picking him. Joe Biden did his best to lose as much support for Obama as physically possible (with statements that made Bush seem smart) and Obama still won.

As a matter of all his options on the table, Ryan is the best pick. He's relatively young, is friendly and easy to get along with, and is a star among the base without the immediate revulsion that many other stars have (Christie's hot-headedness, Santorum's 1850s morality, Rubio's lack of experience, etc.). Plus, there's the whole Wisconsin being a likely battleground and him being the representative from a moderate to Democrat-leaning district.

Then there's his serious drawbacks, which will probably spell doom for the Romney-Ryan ticket:

1) The Ryan budget: Even Republican pollsters have found that while people generally are indifferent to the Ryan budget proposals in the abstract, the more details you dig in there the more overwhelmingly unpopular it becomes. And Democrats will not hesitate to hang that budget around both their necks like a noose.

2) The "ready to lead" question: While Ryan is no Palin, he does have the general problem of not appearing presidential. Of all the people he reminds you of, it's the creative accountant who loves his job. He doesn't exude the "I'm the boss" charisma that Obama, Bush, and even Romney exude.

3) The "Washington Insider" problem: unlike many of the hard-right congressmen in the House, he is a comfortable Washingtonian. He started as a Senate intern and has effectively stayed in DC since his third-year in college, in both jobs in and out of politics. He even leads a few exercise classes in the House gym. This is when Congressional approval ratings are in the single digits and "Washington insider" is more of an insult than "socialist."

4) Ryan and Rand: It's one thing to be quoted as saying "The reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand," (the Objectivist philosopher to whom survival of the fittest wasn't an observation, but was a moral imperative), it's quite another to be gushing about it on tape.

The Gentleman:
2) The "ready to lead" question: While Ryan is no Palin, he does have the general problem of not appearing presidential. Of all the people he reminds you of, it's the creative accountant who loves his job. He doesn't exude the "I'm the boss" charisma that Obama, Bush, and even Romney exude.

Apparently he has killer abs though. Maybe that's the Republican plan to attract lady voters?

Dags90:

The Gentleman:
2) The "ready to lead" question: While Ryan is no Palin, he does have the general problem of not appearing presidential. Of all the people he reminds you of, it's the creative accountant who loves his job. He doesn't exude the "I'm the boss" charisma that Obama, Bush, and even Romney exude.

Apparently he has killer abs though. Maybe that's the Republican plan to attract lady voters?

It's more likely to work than emphasizing their policies.

Seanchaidh:

Apparently he has killer abs though. Maybe that's the Republican plan to attract lady voters?

You're forgetting his absolutely dreamy eyes, those deep blues that just stare lovingly into your soul and....I'm sorry what were we talking about?

In all seriousness, this is a pretty safe and middle of the road choice, it was either going to be him or someone like Rob Portman, a senator of equal conservative qualifications who hasn't done much of note but hasn't done anything too controversial.

The most I see out of this is a news statement, a weeks worth of pundits speculating what this "actually means" for the Romney campaign and then everyone forgetting about it in a week, which is an ideal situation for the Republicans. After Sarah Palin, they must think that the best course of action is to just get a safe VP, have him give his lip service and go right back to the actual candidate. Ryan won't help him, but he certainly won't sink him.

Small edit: If there's any major issue with Ryan it'd be his healthcare budget, but that was ages ago in political time and Ryan can either disregard it entirely or use the popular trump card of "Well at least it's better than Obamacare" which will at least satisfy the Red State voters.

Dragonclaw:

evilneko:
If Mittens actually picks Paul Ryan, it's game over for him.

It wouldn't surprise me if that's the POINT now. With all the Bain association, shady business practices, ditching money offshore to avoid taxes, and the overall transparency about his taxes hampering Romney's already less than stellar image and credibility, the GOP may decide that this election cycle is a wash and they may as well start building someone else for a 2016 run.

It's close to the same when the Democrats threw John Kerry to the wolves in 2004. Spend 4 more years undermining and short-calling anything Obama does, build up more Fox News hate against him for BS reasons, block any moves that would improve this country, and win in 2016 in a landslide. Easy as pie.

Hey Mittens...remember back when you still had a fighting chance for the moderate vote? Well I hope you remember it well, because it's gone now...

Obama holding 2008+ 1 or 2 easily now. This pick is fucking disastrous for Romney but hey at least he'll be able to say he out-Mondaled Mondale when it's all said an done.
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I really wished Mitt would have chosen Chris Christie. I support the man so much, and I have a huge distrust for Mitt. Heck, if Chris were running for President, I would vote for him hands down because he gets the job done and he knows how to compromise. But no, it's Mitt, and Paul Ryan doesn't make me want to vote for him even more.

Hmm, this would be the first time I've ever halfway hoped a presidential candidate gets elected then immediately assassinated.

The problem with picking Ryan is he is a creator of division. His budget is laughed at by non-Republicans. His blatant disregard for social services and desire for massive tax cuts for the rich does not exactly bring anything new to the table.

The thing with the VP is you really have more to lose than gain from your selection. A bad selection like Palin can lose you a lot of votes, a good pick and you don't lose votes. There are not exactly a lot of people out there who vote for the VP, but a bad VP pick can turn people off from voting at all.

What you want from a VP pick is someone who compliments you. Biden was picked to give the ticket foreign policy and national security experience and to appeal to blue collar voters. Biden is also likable, he had a favourability rating of 60%.

Ryan does not compliment Romney, he is Romney. Ryan does not appeal to anyone that Romney does not already have in the bag. On top of that Ryan is hated by many because of his budget.

I just do not see what Ryan actually brings to the table for Romney.

If Ryan is the pick then he has to resign his congressional seat.

How likely is it he'll get re-elected to Congress with Romney's failed Presidential bid hanging around his neck? Dude's seriously betting the long odds.

Mr.Mattress:
I really wished Mitt would have chosen Chris Christie. I support the man so much, and I have a huge distrust for Mitt. Heck, if Chris were running for President, I would vote for him hands down because he gets the job done and he knows how to compromise. But no, it's Mitt, and Paul Ryan doesn't make me want to vote for him even more.

Mind elaborating on that? What I know of him is that he's a political bulldozer.

NameIsRobertPaulson:

Dragonclaw:

evilneko:
If Mittens actually picks Paul Ryan, it's game over for him.

It wouldn't surprise me if that's the POINT now. With all the Bain association, shady business practices, ditching money offshore to avoid taxes, and the overall transparency about his taxes hampering Romney's already less than stellar image and credibility, the GOP may decide that this election cycle is a wash and they may as well start building someone else for a 2016 run.

It's close to the same when the Democrats threw John Kerry to the wolves in 2004. Spend 4 more years undermining and short-calling anything Obama does, build up more Fox News hate against him for BS reasons, block any moves that would improve this country, and win in 2016 in a landslide. Easy as pie.

That looks like their game plan. Have to say, it looks like a pretty damn solid plan too.

Pingieking:

NameIsRobertPaulson:

Dragonclaw:

It wouldn't surprise me if that's the POINT now. With all the Bain association, shady business practices, ditching money offshore to avoid taxes, and the overall transparency about his taxes hampering Romney's already less than stellar image and credibility, the GOP may decide that this election cycle is a wash and they may as well start building someone else for a 2016 run.

It's close to the same when the Democrats threw John Kerry to the wolves in 2004. Spend 4 more years undermining and short-calling anything Obama does, build up more Fox News hate against him for BS reasons, block any moves that would improve this country, and win in 2016 in a landslide. Easy as pie.

That looks like their game plan. Have to say, it looks like a pretty damn solid plan too.

It's a standard plan for a 2-party system. When the GOP (Rubio or Christie) wins in 2016, the Democrats will do what the GOP is doing now, act like a bunch of spoiled children, sit in the corner and refuse to do squat, and try and ruin the president because if the country doesn't improve, the president gets the blame, whether he did anything or not.

Amnestic:
If Ryan is the pick then he has to resign his congressional seat.

How likely is it he'll get re-elected to Congress with Romney's failed Presidential bid hanging around his neck? Dude's seriously betting the long odds.

Wasn't he an up-and-comer too? Kinda a shame that the GOP would throw him under the bus with Romney then.

I'm ok with this pick. It actually makes voting for Romney a little more palatable. Honestly though I personally wish he would have went with a Pawlenty or Portman because this election is going to be a tough win to say the least. If Obama wins another 4 years *shiver* that means Paul Ryan will be off the table in a much softer 2016 election.

Just like Romney theres stuff I like about him and stuff I don't especially care for. Time to go into info dig mode.

"Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!" - Mitt Romney

No, seriously.

He actually said that.

Mr.Mattress:
I really wished Mitt would have chosen Chris Christie. I support the man so much, and I have a huge distrust for Mitt. Heck, if Chris were running for President, I would vote for him hands down because he gets the job done and he knows how to compromise. But no, it's Mitt, and Paul Ryan doesn't make me want to vote for him even more.

Chris Christie has a "I don't play second fiddle" problem, similar to Palin minus the gross incompetence. He's loud, obnoxious, and has the tendency to overshadow anyone else in the room with him. Plus, he's unpredictable as a candidate, if his time in office has been any indication, which likely turned off the Romney campaign from considering him. Even if they offered, it is likely he would have turned it down in order to wait for a presidential run in 2016.

EDIT:

Amnestic:
"Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!" - Mitt Romney

No, seriously.

He actually said that.

Wow, is there anything Romney can't gaffe on?

Or maybe he'll do this like he did his time at Bain and take a four-year paid sabbatical leaving the country in the hands of a mad accountant.

Well, I will have to congratulate our current president for winning his next election. He didn't have to do a damn thing either. Clap clap, Mr. President. Clap Clap.

Sooooo... I'm calling Paul Ryan 2016. Anyone else?

captcha: that hurts

Yes it does, Cap, yes it does.

Amnestic:
"Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!" - Mitt Romney

No, seriously.

He actually said that.

Yeah, I heard that...as an aside, what happens if Romney should be eaten by dole bludging single mother bigfoots before the election? Does the VP candidate run for P?

Already we are seeing "dull white guy" in the media. See Michelle Cottle.

So by picking a "dull white guy" he hurt his chances, Michelle? Whether or not you disagree or agree with him politically, it is utter lunacy to argue that he's dull, based on his character.

Bold-faced bigotry, but hardly anyone will care, and some will say I'm wrong for calling "dull white guy" bigotry.

So, it's officially Ryan. There go the senior and moderate (well, the moderates that weren't gone already) votes.

I don't think the GOP has enough young voters to fill the gap left by the senior vote. Obama 2012 is a sure thing, now.

thaluikhain:

Yeah, I heard that...as an aside, what happens if Romney should be eaten by dole bludging single mother bigfoots before the election? Does the VP candidate run for P?

According to this, the rules differ depending on party. In the case of Republicans, "the Republican National Committee would fill the vacancy, either by reconvening a national convention or by having RNC state representatives vote. The new nominee must receive a majority vote to officially become the party candidate."

The article itself goes into more depth depending on the more outlandish scenarios, but essentially the answer is "no, the VP Candidate does not automatically take over the P Candidate's spot."

harmonic:

So by picking a "dull white guy" he hurt his chances, Michelle?

Well, yeah, since Romney already has that area covered. Logically you'd want someone to appeal to NEW voters to vote for your ticket. By not picking such a person, he's hurting his chances.

/Logic.

Amnestic:

harmonic:

So by picking a "dull white guy" he hurt his chances, Michelle?

Well, yeah, since Romney already has that area covered. Logically you'd want someone to appeal to NEW voters to vote for your ticket. By not picking such a person, he's hurting his chances.

/Logic.

So racism and sexism is your "logic."

You do understand what you're saying, right? You're saying identity trumps character. You're saying politics should take into account your skin color and sex. You're saying people should vote based on race and sex.

/Logic.

This argument will be incredibly easy for me to win if you wish to continue.

Amnestic:
"Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!" - Mitt Romney

No, seriously.

He actually said that.

I honestly think he must have some overriding need to sit behind other people and let them make decisions.

Paul Ryan may excite the extra-crazy conservatives, but they were going to come out and vote for Mittens anyway.

Ryan's extra-nutty policies may also rally Obama's base. The guy's environmental record is appalling. I can understand (sort of) if you're skeptical about climate change, but anybody who puts that much effort into voting against any bill that would make the Earth a cleaner, nicer place for everyone to live in whether or not it affects the climate is, in my book, clearly an oil company boot-licker.

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