Reddit NoFap/ No Fap September (Warning, Mature Content!)

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I saw this TedX-video a few months ago...

...and I thought it was very interesting. That's the first time I heard about 'No Fap'.
I visited Reddit a few days ago and read about 'No Fap September' and that's the first time I properly 'studied' 'Reddit/NoFap'.

They advise new visitors to read Your Brain On Porn so that might be a good idea, although it's quite similar to the TedX-video.

I'll try to summarize the general theory. The average hunter-gatherer encountered only a small number of women, and had sex with even less. The modern human being with an internet connection can immediately watch footage of millions of women having sex. Endless novelty. Endless sex.

The basics are the same as obesity. In the past, we had to eat as much as we could because starvation was a real danger - nowadays, that behavior will just make you fat. Women (or men, btw, NoFap isn't limited to males) were in 'short supply' too, but nowadays, you can have 'digital sex' with millions of women. Your brain demands more and more novelty, gets kind of addicted, and disinterested in the real thing. And approaching real women, a 'skill' that gets ignored due to porn, becomes awkward due to anxiety and other emotional disorders.

Lots of people who stop watching porn/masturbating report feeling more confident, energetic and stronger.

So I think it's rather convincing. Yes, my brain isn't made to deal with porn and it might be better not to watch it. Now I'm wondering whether others here know about it, and what they think about it?

Hmm.

This calls for a caption.

Hmm, who should I caption... Itsuki? Nah... oh wait, I got one...

Wait that.. wasn't quite right.

That's more like it.

Silliness aside, it seems plausible, at least. I've uh... gone without... before and, well... I can't say I felt any different really.

Edit: Forgot to add some things.

I will say that the whole novelty thing, the progression through various "levels" if you will of porn, that is something I've actually experienced. I'm not going to describe the progression I went through or what I ended up at, but I will say, it's probably not that, you damn dirty pervert! Though, about that high speed internet bit... actually I kinda prefer still pictures and even text to videos. Although I do tend to enjoy me some uh...interactive stuff... >.>

Not sure what this has to do with religion or politics... and anyway, kind of old news which has also been mostly debunked. A certain other site I occasionally visit has "no fap" months pretty much EVERY month, and as you can imagine there's been plenty of discussion of whether it's beneficial or not.

On the one hand[1], porn addiction is a real thing and people have reported being desensitised - both mentally and physically - by masturbating excessively to increasingly hardcore and/or fetishistic porn which their real love life can never live up to. There's also some evidence to suggest that abstaining can boost testosterone.

On the other hand, frequent (as in, 5+ times a week) ejaculation has been shown to reduce the likelihood of prostate cancer. What's more, a lot of the so-called benefits of abstinence are overstated and flatline after a matter of days or even hours and there's the suspicion that a lot of the pro-abstinence propaganda is being driven by puritanical religious types. And finally, I wouldn't put too much stock in evopsych theories. You ever seen monkeys at a zoo? Monkeys who aren't getting any sex masturbate their flippin' socks off, with no ill effects.

If excessive porn use is like over-eating, then "no fap month" is like some intermittent fasting regime - of dubious benefit.

[1] No pun intended

I have noticed decreased sexual sensitivity is the period between transitioning between porn and real women. Took me five times sleeping with my girlfriend before I could reach orgasm.

My input: not fapping is a choice. Go for it if it makes you feel better. But if you have a GF/BF, cut off the porn for a while. Hand/Toys =/= real thing. Train your body better.

I used to know a very vocal Christian woman who let everyone know about her high standards in men and how she absolutely refused to be treated poorly. Of course I don't know her masturbatory habits, but given the way she righteously condemned others I suspect they weren't frequent.

When she got horny, she would go to the first man she could find with pecs and he could call her a stupid-ass whore to her face and she'd beg like a dog for more. Until the next morning, when suddenly the ring on his finger and his alcohol problem and his sub-high school education and so on made her too good for him again.

So I think it's very likely that not masturbating doesn't make people more confident- it just makes them more desperate. And more willing to jump through hoops even with people they wouldn't normally be attracted to just to get laid.

So go without if you like. Personally, I like not feeling the frustration and pressure that I MUST SCORE NOW.

Katatori-kun:
So I think it's very likely that not masturbating doesn't make people more confident- it just makes them more desperate. And more willing to jump through hoops even with people they wouldn't normally be attracted to just to get laid.

So go without if you like. Personally, I like not feeling the frustration and pressure that I MUST SCORE NOW.

So... you mentioned one extreme who had no or little "release"
TED, mentioned the other extreme of tones and tones of pornography, and its effects.

Would the mentioning of a middle ground be appropriate?
I certainly think there would be :P

Some is fine, but aim to find a real man/woman, and once you do... stop with the interweb as a substitute.

I noticed that if I don't fap once a day or at the very least every other day I'm angrier than usual. To me fapping is beneficial, it's like a release of the stuff that fuels my rage.

More evopsych theories about men being hormonally driven sexmachines who exist only to spread their "seed" to the maximum number of women possible, like some kind of cluster weapon? Really, I thought we had gone beyond this stage.

Honestly, if anything it was probably easier to see the "real thing" a few hundred years ago when families of 10-15 people could co-exist within the same two small rooms in a tiny cottage for months at an end during the winter period. Having sex in such an enviroment is pretty much guaranteed to be noticed by the other people you live with. Not to mention how easy it was for town citizens and upper class men to find prostitutes during the 18th and 19th century. Porn might de-sensitize you, especially if you watch a lot of the hardcore stuff, but sexually satisfying yourself is something that's pretty normal in humanity. So I think I am just going to settle my tent in the side that says "Sounds like religious nutjobs".

...but it's the 6th already. Too late.

You want me to stop wanking, you find me a girl.

i don't watch porn, but i fap when i need to. if i don't, then biology reprimands me with a nocturnal emission. it's a lose/lose situation and i'd rather deal with the option that doesn't soil my sheets. thanks.

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That said, well, you know, let people do whatever they want with their genitals, really. As long as it doesn't violate anyone else's dignity or worse, of course.

Also, anyone got any clue how the thing in the picture is supposed to even work?

tbh honest Masturbation does have negatives but its really up to the person if they want to wank. But im actually trying to go on a Cold turkey for a week

if i ever feel i have masturbated too much i go on a break for about a week or so

Batou667:
On the one hand[1], porn addiction is a real thing and people have reported being desensitised - both mentally and physically - by masturbating excessively to increasingly hardcore and/or fetishistic porn which their real love life can never live up to. There's also some evidence to suggest that abstaining can boost testosterone.

On the other hand, frequent (as in, 5+ times a week) ejaculation has been shown to reduce the likelihood of prostate cancer. What's more, a lot of the so-called benefits of abstinence are overstated and flatline after a matter of days or even hours and there's the suspicion that a lot of the pro-abstinence propaganda is being driven by puritanical religious types. And finally, I wouldn't put too much stock in evopsych theories. You ever seen monkeys at a zoo? Monkeys who aren't getting any sex masturbate their flippin' socks off, with no ill effects.

If excessive porn use is like over-eating, then "no fap month" is like some intermittent fasting regime - of dubious benefit.

The weird thing is that the community's name is "No Fap" but their justification is "Porn is Bad". I don't exactly know what they think about "No-Porn Fap".

Katatori-kun:
So I think it's very likely that not masturbating doesn't make people more confident- it just makes them more desperate. And more willing to jump through hoops even with people they wouldn't normally be attracted to just to get laid.

Your example sounds very addicted. Would you advise people to keep smoking because they otherwise 'become desperate', or would you advise them to just stop smoking?

Now of course, 'wanting to have sex/orgasms' is natural while addiction to nicotine is not really natural, but porn is not natural and I wonder about its effects.

Gethsemani:
More evopsych theories about men being hormonally driven sexmachines who exist only to spread their "seed" to the maximum number of women possible, like some kind of cluster weapon? Really, I thought we had gone beyond this stage.

Uh, but reproduction just is a very important goal for men/humans, right? And as I said in the OP, porn seems to be bad for women too.

Gethsemani:
"Sounds like religious nutjobs".

Have you watched the video?

Vegosiux:
That said, well, you know, let people do whatever they want with their genitals, really. As long as it doesn't violate anyone else's dignity or worse, of course.

I wasn't talking about banning porn ;)

Vegosiux:
Also, anyone got any clue how the thing in the picture is supposed to even work?

Nope ;)

[1] No pun intended

Danyal:

Now of course, 'wanting to have sex/orgasms' is natural while addiction to nicotine is not really natural, but porn is not natural and I wonder about its effects.

What.

Okay, first unnatural =/= bad. It really pisses me off when people assume that.

Second, how is it unnatural when the effect is usually similar to a real woman?

Third, how do you define 'unnatural.' because under my definition, everything is natural. Humans and their products included.

FuhrerVonZephyr:
What.

Okay, first unnatural =/= bad. It really pisses me off when people assume that.

Yes, you're right. As you probably know, I regularly defend bestiality here and loads of people think "It's unnatural" is a sufficient argument to ban it. It's a stupid argument and I should have replaced 'natural' by innate. Most of us aren't born addicted to nicotine, while our desire to have sex/orgasms is innate.

FuhrerVonZephyr:
Second, how is it unnatural when the effect is usually similar to a real woman?

Wut?! Porn=/=Real Woman. Real sex=/=Fap. If you watch porn, you often watch more women in one 'session' than your ancestors (10,000+ years ago) saw in a lifetime.

If you're interested, please watch the video in the OP.

FuhrerVonZephyr:
Third, how do you define 'unnatural.' because under my definition, everything is natural. Humans and their products included.

Well, it's rather obvious that 'sex/orgasms' are a lot more natural than 'smoking', right?

Loop Stricken:
...but it's the 6th already. Too late.

You want me to stop wanking, you find me a girl.

Totally agree with this guy... On both accounts...! It's too late, and aint gunna happen!

We all know what happens if we stop anyway... and I don't want that when I am in the military and have shared accomodation! :/

I though this was a 4chan thing, and was about helping hikikomori-s getting a gf.

Danyal:

FuhrerVonZephyr:
What.

Okay, first unnatural =/= bad. It really pisses me off when people assume that.

Yes, you're right. As you probably know, I regularly defend bestiality here and loads of people think "It's unnatural" is a sufficient argument to ban it. It's a stupid argument and I should have replaced 'natural' by innate. Most of us aren't born addicted to nicotine, while our desire to have sex/orgasms is innate.

Barring a few exceptions, I would tend to agree.

Danyal:

FuhrerVonZephyr:
Second, how is it unnatural when the effect is usually similar to a real woman?

Wut?! Porn=/=Real Woman. Real sex=/=Fap. If you watch porn, you often watch more women in one 'session' than your ancestors (10,000+ years ago) saw in a lifetime.

If you're interested, please watch the video in the OP.

I don't really, but I did anyway.

I'd find it more convincing if it actually provided the source scientific papers.

For now, [citation needed]

Danyal:

FuhrerVonZephyr:
Third, how do you define 'unnatural.' because under my definition, everything is natural. Humans and their products included.

Well, it's rather obvious that 'sex/orgasms' are a lot more natural than 'smoking', right?

It seems intuitive, but science has a bad track record with that.

We need to have hard definitions of our terms and provide our evidence to have a good debate.

Also, when that guy said something like "their porn tastes being out of line with their sexual orientation," yeah, that sent up red flags for me <_<

How about we just stop watching porn but keep on wanking away?

Danyal:

Lots of people who stop watching porn/masturbating report feeling more confident, energetic and stronger.

Wouldn't the same thing happen if said people stop having sex? What differs masturbation from sex here?

Batou667:

On the other hand, frequent (as in, 5+ times a week) ejaculation has been shown to reduce the likelihood of prostate cancer.

YES! I knew it! That's awesome!

Well uhm not that I do that kind of thing, of course.

Aybody who references the "hunter gatherers" in a study should die violently. Except if that study IS about the hunter gatherers and the researcher in question is a geneticist, a anthropologist or an archaeologist, in which case said researcher deserves an award.

It's so easy to claim all these stuff goes back to our hunter/gatherer past... 'cause we know jack shit about them.

Also, too late ^_^

Katatori-kun:

So I think it's very likely that not masturbating doesn't make people more confident- it just makes them more desperate. And more willing to jump through hoops even with people they wouldn't normally be attracted to just to get laid.

I agree. I might occasionally do the thing you described, and I turned down a girl I knew I could get into bed with.

Vegosiux:
Also, anyone got any clue how the thing in the picture is supposed to even work?

How are you supposed to apply this, err, "medicine"? Seems like it's encouraging physical contact.

Unless of course it's some kind of chilli-extract hand cream which means you'll be in agony if you touch yourself - wait, nobody steal my idea, I'm off to the patent office. I'm going to make a killing peddling this stuff in the Bible Belt!

Danyal:
The weird thing is that the community's name is "No Fap" but their justification is "Porn is Bad". I don't exactly know what they think about "No-Porn Fap".

I think the consensus (and it depresses me to realise that I've evidently been exposed to enough of this to be able to draw this conclusion) is that if daily masturbation to porn is bad, and occasional sex with a woman is the natural ideal to strive for, then having the occasional wank with just your imagination as fuel is kind of a middle-ground compromise.

Again, although I think it's eminently sensible to point out that anything in excess will have negative effects, that's no reason for us to switch to rigidly-enforced and arbitrary modes of personal conduct. I mean, who's to say that our 21st Century, porn-on-demand lifestyle is any more "unnatural" or "damaging" than the lifestyle of your average Roman politician 2000 years ago, who would have used prostitutes or sex slaves on a daily basis, and been exposed to depictions of sex acts in mosaic and pottery form whenever he visited the local baths? When we're plugging ourselves, Matrix-style, into virtual reality sex simulators and withering away to emaciated husks in the real world, then I'll concede that maybe we've crossed a line.

Well, they might have a point.

There doesn't seem to be any real conclusive evidence as to whether or not frequent ejaculation is overall healthy or not though. Quite possible it has both beneficial and adverse effects.

evilneko:
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Although I do tend to enjoy me some uh...interactive stuff... >.>

Poor Kana.

SmashLovesTitanQuest:
How about we just stop watching porn but keep on wanking away?

That's what I think too ;)

TopazFusion:
The comparison with obesity is a little unfair.

Eating too much can cause serious, and life-threatening health problems.

Whereas, wanking too much doesn't really cause any problems beyond potential social issues, and perhaps superficial damage (when done to excess).

Maybe a little, but it's a good example. And the damage is mainly psychological effects due to porn, not physical damage due to fapping.

Realitycrash:
Wouldn't the same thing happen if said people stop having sex? What differs masturbation from sex here?

I don't really understand the focus on fapping - porn seems to be the bad thing.

TheBelgianGuy:
Aybody who references the "hunter gatherers" in a study should die violently. Except if that study IS about the hunter gatherers and the researcher in question is a geneticist, a anthropologist or an archaeologist, in which case said researcher deserves an award.

I study history and I'm very interesting in psychology, and the fact that we live in a completely different environment...

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...compared to the place where our mind evolved...

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...does seem to have effects.

TheBelgianGuy:
It's so easy to claim all these stuff goes back to our hunter/gatherer past... 'cause we know jack shit about them.

We know quite a lot about them.

Batou667:
I think the consensus (and it depresses me to realise that I've evidently been exposed to enough of this to be able to draw this conclusion) is that if daily masturbation to porn is bad, and occasional sex with a woman is the natural ideal to strive for, then having the occasional wank with just your imagination as fuel is kind of a middle-ground compromise.

Yeah, that compromise sounds way healthier than the "daily-porn-fap".

Batou667:
Again, although I think it's eminently sensible to point out that anything in excess will have negative effects,

We mainly focus on physical excess - I hadn't thought about psychological excess.

Batou667:
that's no reason for us to switch to rigidly-enforced and arbitrary modes of personal conduct. I mean, who's to say that our 21st Century, porn-on-demand lifestyle is any more "unnatural" or "damaging" than the lifestyle of your average Roman politician 2000 years ago, who would have used prostitutes or sex slaves on a daily basis, and been exposed to depictions of sex acts in mosaic and pottery form whenever he visited the local baths?

Well, the average Roman was not a wealthy politician, and I wonder whether using prostitutes on a daily basis is healthy.

Still, it's at least the real thing. And the video focuses on the fact that we get bored of one partner, while porn is addictive because it presents a new partner every click.

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Batou667:
When we're plugging ourselves, Matrix-style, into virtual reality sex simulators and withering away to emaciated husks in the real world, then I'll concede that maybe we've crossed a line.

That was just what I was looking forward too... *Link to my first thread here :D*

Are the people behind this idea a religious group?

TheIronRuler:
I though this was a 4chan thing, and was about helping hikikomori-s getting a gf.

The lines between 4chan and reddit blur more and more every day.

well.. I come into this thread with a bit different of a viewpoint. I come in as a libidoist asexual (possible demisexual, but not really tested there). For me, porn doesn't do much really. I like certain fetishes and it helps me to watch those a ton. Especially because many of them I would rather not have a real life partner for.

But going without porn? I can do it certainly. It still leaves that itch to scratch and i do have problems with arousal. Fetishes help with that, so that way I don't have to use other methods. It actually is safer to view porn than do things like cause pain to yourself for arousal. That isn't healthy and i try to avoid it as much as possible.

Granted, most porn doesn't do much for me. It is like how straight people don't get turned on much by gay porn and gay people don't get turned on much by straight porn. I don't have sexual attraction really so it kinda makes it lower. Furry porn is delicious though.

But going without those things means masturbation is more difficult for me. I can do it and I've gone for nearly a month before, but that was more due to severe depression. I don't need to view pornographic material at all, but I do enjoy some parts of it.

Going without fapping? Oh my that is a terrible idea. That itch doesn't go away and it will only increase stress. It also takes away a way to help break out of a severe depressive state and to lower anxiety. I think it is a terrible idea unless you were a non-libidoist.

So going without porn for me? Not a good idea
Going without fapping for me? Even worse of an idea

Imperator_DK:

evilneko:
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Although I do tend to enjoy me some uh...interactive stuff... >.>

Poor Kana.

I'd be all over a yuri version. >.>

Comando96:

Would the mentioning of a middle ground be appropriate?

It would not.

Because the extreme position of the OP has yet to be established with any form of trustworthy data as far as I've seen. I see no reason I should compromise with any random stranger on the Internet (especially one who makes constant threads about bestiality) when my sex life is none of their concern.

The only people who get to influence my private sexual habits are the people I'm in a private, sexual relationship with. So until Danyal hops a plane and shows up on my doorstep in a frilly nightie with a bottle of Alize in hand, I'm afraid I just don't care what he thinks about what I may or may not do with my naughty bits.

Do you have any evidence to support your claims Danyal?

I thought it was NO fap NOvember, and that the only reason to do it is for the sake of personal challenge.

These people and that idea can go take a long walk off a short peer.

Masturbation relaxes me and helps cramps. I'm going to keep doing it.

First, didn't we already have No Fap February? Why is it not No Schlick September for teh wimmenz? I CALL SEXISM >:(

Secondly - I think it's a great idea to be encouraging people to self-abuse less. Vices are fine and dandy and all, but better for you to control them, not vice versa.

So they want me to stop wanking to porn?

Dammit, now I have to go use real women to gain a sexual release in a number of variously perverse ways. And here I thought using women this way was detrimental to their health and psycological well being.

Because if I don't, I'll get fat.

I'm going to need a lot of condoms, lube and energy drinks. Potentially a catchers mitt, a cordless drill, 1 used shoelace and the lid from an oil drum.

Going to be an interesting month...

Oirish_Martin:
First, didn't we already have No Fap February? Why is it not No Schlick September for teh wimmenz? I CALL SEXISM >:(

Secondly - I think it's a great idea to be encouraging people to self-abuse less. Vices are fine and dandy and all, but better for you to control them, not vice versa.

How is it self abuse again?

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