Why is there so much liberal and socialist bias on the escapist?

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Seriously, like every other thread on the forum is something like "OMFG ZE EVIL CONSERVATIVE/RIGHT WING HAS DONE SOMETHING EVIL!!!!!".

I am not saying that all liberalism is bad, but it seems to me like the escapist forum users exist mostly of liberals, socialists, and people who hate capitalism and would like to see it burn in hell.

Is there any reason for why the forum doesn't have more conservatives? The only guys I have noticed is me and that other guy who wants to have sex with animals.

Anyone?

Danyal? a-Haha.

Well, most conservatives here don't survive much, but you have at least 5 more users who post as right wingers here.

Lolwat? There are a few other conservatives. They just aren't liked very much. Less than you, surprisingly (not that I particularly dislike you, more that others seem to). And the reason is because most people here are young or young at heart. And that reality has a bit of a liberal bias.

Well, the ones I can name off the top of my head are

Xan Krieger
Xanthious
Hardcore_gamer
Gorfias
Heimholtz Wilson
Piffle (debatable)

It's the internet and specifically a game site so of course there will be more of a bias towards the left.

You're kidding right?

You're asking why a gaming forum on the internet is full of people whose politics are left-of-center*.

*left of center in US terms, that is. I realize even our most liberal Democrats seem right-wing to many elsewhere.

It's mostly because Reality has a Liberal bias.

I vote conservative. There's things that I don't agree with under the conservative side. I'm pro abortion and pro gay/lesbian marriage to name a few. I would just rather choose the conservative poison, than the socialist poison.

I watch the arguments that usually go on here with their liberal biases, but refrain from responding. It usually just explodes into some hate fest. Let them go on their rampages blinded by politics.

Because reality has a well known liberal bias...

On a more serious note, I would say it's because the last 10-30 years (depending on the country) conservative economic theory (lower taxes, reduced/repealling of regulation, contracting of private sector services, etc.) were heavily promoted and implemented in many developed and developing nations. The result was a series of economic failures, one after another, gradually increasing in intensity, severity, and scope until recently. Many major figures in conservative intelligentsia have either been discredited or, as was the case of Alan Greenspan, have publicly acknowledged fundamental errors in their theory and have renounced them.

Then there's social issues where often the conservative mantra of the day is the bigotry of history.

I would also add foreign policy and military issues, but what qualifies as "conservative" in that area is mainly limited to US politics and is fairly evenly divided between neo-conservative jingoism, libertarian isolationism, and pragmatic foreign engagement.

Just putting this is out there; if you think wanting higher taxes but more state services is the same as 'wanting capitalism to burn in hell' then everyone will seem like a lefty.

As the other thread established, we're almost all (with the notable exception of Istvan) capitalist on here, its just that many of us prefer it with a seasoning of welfare and employment rights.

You'd probably be hard pressed to find many social conservatives though.

This is the second forum I've been a member of where many if not most of the members are not from the US, and they both would be considered biased towards the left by most Americans. In general, what non-Americans consider moderate, Americans tend to consider liberal, because America is pretty far towards the right. There are exceptions of course, but that's probably a big part of the reason for the bias you see.

Hardcore_gamer:
Seriously, like every other thread on the forum is something like "OMFG ZE EVIL CONSERVATIVE/RIGHT WING HAS DONE SOMETHING EVIL!!!!!".

I am not saying that all liberalism is bad, but it seems to me like the escapist forum users exist mostly of liberals, socialists, and people who hate capitalism and would like to see it burn in hell.

Is there any reason for why the forum doesn't have more conservatives? The only guys I have noticed is me and that other guy who wants to have sex with animals.

Anyone?

Gaming culture and conservatism just don't mix very well together. Never have since the great religious D&D scares of the 80's. Factor in that the American conservative philosophy is lead around by the nose by fundamentalist Christianity, not exactly a big fan of gaming culture or sci fi/fantasy fandom. Such glorious gems as Fox News proclaiming Mass Effect to be "video game porn" didn't help either.

Caveat: NO, this is not to say that left wing philosophy is a perfect fit either. Far from it, as Hillary Rodam Clinton demonstrated. But it's general moral and religious permissiveness in comparison to the right wing still blends better with gamer culture.

Hardcore_gamer:

Is there any reason for why the forum doesn't have more conservatives? The only guys I have noticed is me and that other guy who wants to have sex with animals.

Anyone?

The public education system in the U.S. is dominated by liberals. Thus many young people get indoctrinated to be liberals.

JRslinger:

Hardcore_gamer:

Is there any reason for why the forum doesn't have more conservatives? The only guys I have noticed is me and that other guy who wants to have sex with animals.

Anyone?

The public education system in the U.S. is dominated by liberals. Thus many young people get indoctrinated to be liberals.

Huh, I wonder why that is.

FuhrerVonZephyr:

Revnak:
And that reality has a bit of a liberal bias.

Dis

Olrod:
It's mostly because Reality has a Liberal bias.

Dat

The Gentleman:
Because reality has a well known liberal bias...

And some of doze

:v

Oh yeeeeaaaahhh

JRslinger:

Hardcore_gamer:

Is there any reason for why the forum doesn't have more conservatives? The only guys I have noticed is me and that other guy who wants to have sex with animals.

Anyone?

The public education system in the U.S. is dominated by liberals. Thus many young people get indoctrinated to be liberals.

That's right, it's all a giant brainwashing conspiracy. Go back to sleep, America. Everything is under control.

OT: If you think this forum is majority socialist, you're sadly mistaken. I'd bet my left nut that capitalists outnumber socialists at least 10-to-1. If you're so far right-leaning that everything left of France looks socialist to you, perhaps the problem is not the forum's liberal bias but your own conservative bias clouding your judgement.

Hardcore_gamer:
Seriously, like every other thread on the forum is something like "OMFG ZE EVIL CONSERVATIVE/RIGHT WING HAS DONE SOMETHING EVIL!!!!!".

I am not saying that all liberalism is bad, but it seems to me like the escapist forum users exist mostly of liberals, socialists, and people who hate capitalism and would like to see it burn in hell.

Is there any reason for why the forum doesn't have more conservatives? The only guys I have noticed is me and that other guy who wants to have sex with animals.

Anyone?

The US is unusually right wing as a rule, from their PoV, everyone is very left wing.

Exactly how many socialists are here? I don't think many people want to end capitalism, merely see it reigned it.

...

It doesn't help that the right wing in the US seems to encourage, or at least tolerate, lots of people who've really lost the plot, seemingly to have decided that offering a very different government instead of a better one is the best way to beat Obama.

The Gentleman:
Because reality has a well known liberal bias...

On a more serious note, I would say it's because the last 10-30 years (depending on the country) conservative economic theory (lower taxes, reduced/repealling of regulation, contracting of private sector services, etc.) were heavily promoted and implemented in many developed and developing nations. The result was a series of economic failures, one after another, gradually increasing in intensity, severity, and scope until recently. Many major figures in conservative intelligentsia have either been discredited or, as was the case of Alan Greenspan, have publicly acknowledged fundamental errors in their theory and have renounced them.

Then there's social issues where often the conservative mantra of the day is the bigotry of history.

I would also add foreign policy and military issues, but what qualifies as "conservative" in that area is mainly limited to US politics and is fairly evenly divided between neo-conservative jingoism, libertarian isolationism, and pragmatic foreign engagement.

FuhrerVonZephyr:

Revnak:
And that reality has a bit of a liberal bias.

Dis

Olrod:
It's mostly because Reality has a Liberal bias.

Dat

The Gentleman:
Because reality has a well known liberal bias...

And some of doze

:v

Like the well known liberal reality of the free lunch.

Most liberals here are young. Some will when they get older and see the clear reality of life without the distortion of idealism will become more conservative.

recruit00:
Well, the ones I can name off the top of my head are

Xan Krieger
Xanthious
Hardcore_gamer
Gorfias
Heimholtz Wilson
Piffle (debatable)

It's the internet and specifically a game site so of course there will be more of a bias towards the left.

uumm....what? I assume you meant to spell my name, but why am I being called a conservative? My stances on abortion, foreign policy, oil vs green energy, and stem cell research are hardly conservative. I'm pretty sure I'm one of the most left wing people when it comes to stem cell research.

OP:I don't know about your country(Iceland) but most of Western Europe is liberal and since there are quite a few number of West European escapist, their numbers combine with the American liberal users to greatly out number the conservative users on this forum.

Personally I would like to see more moderates such as myself.

I don't think this forum has a liberal bias. It just has a bias against some badly though out arguments. You'll find people on both sides of the debate.

Need I remind you that your last two threads were flimsy thought out attacks on what you thought was socialism even if it wasn't there.

Withstanding personal grievances, as long as an argument is well though out, it will have supporters. You have no one to blame for yourself if your argument has more holes than Swiss cheese and is promptly torn apart.

Charles_Martel:
/snip

It depends. I've known some quite pleasant older gentleman who remained left wing all their lives and others who changed. As you get older you hopefully get over some idealism, however remember that means that you go for the sensible approach. For some it's realizing that the police are necessary and that you to start settling down, for others it's having more empathy and understanding for elements of society and for others it's becoming less close minded or more analytically critical.

The right don't have a monopoly on well thought ideologies. Even then you shouldn't dismiss the opinions of the young "because they're young".

Besides I shudder at those who are far right wing very young.

JRslinger:

Hardcore_gamer:

Is there any reason for why the forum doesn't have more conservatives? The only guys I have noticed is me and that other guy who wants to have sex with animals.

Anyone?

The public education system in the U.S. is dominated by liberals. Thus many young people get indoctrinated to be liberals.

Look at this shining example of being both young and right winged. I have heard the same things from Santorum.

I personally find it sad that some people are so right winged from the start. It certainly hints to a certain lack of imagination.

I submit that I'm a Conservative Republican. I would joke that us conservatives have better things to do than argue on an internet forum, but as other have said, it's most likely the ideals most associated with the target age group and hobby.

I will say I actually left the Escapist for a considerable time, specifically because of the vocal liberals on this site. The moderators were more than happy to enforce the left bias, and I had never felt more unwelcome in a place I used to frequent daily.

Helmholtz Watson:

recruit00:
Well, the ones I can name off the top of my head are

Xan Krieger
Xanthious
Hardcore_gamer
Gorfias
Heimholtz Wilson
Piffle (debatable)

It's the internet and specifically a game site so of course there will be more of a bias towards the left.

uumm....what? I assume you meant to spell my name, but why am I being called a conservative? My stances on abortion, foreign policy, oil vs green energy, and stem cell research are hardly conservative. I'm pretty sure I'm one of the most left wing people when it comes to stem cell research.

International "conservatism" is pretty much limited to the economic aspects of it. The social and foreign policy aspects are pretty much unique to the US and are separate from the standard left-right debate in many countries.

Hardcore_gamer:
Seriously, like every other thread on the forum is something like "OMFG ZE EVIL CONSERVATIVE/RIGHT WING HAS DONE SOMETHING EVIL!!!!!".

I am not saying that all liberalism is bad, but it seems to me like the escapist forum users exist mostly of liberals, socialists, and people who hate capitalism and would like to see it burn in hell.

Is there any reason for why the forum doesn't have more conservatives? The only guys I have noticed is me and that other guy who wants to have sex with animals.

Anyone?

if you plot everything on simple left/right line and stick yourself at one end of it the majority of the line is to the other side...

imo you'll actually find very few "anti-Capitalists" or "Socialists" here unless you wish to frame them as that at the start and then deliberately ignore most of what they actually say in response.

Its partially due to the more European population of the Escapist and partially due to the younger crowd. Put those two together and boom, more liberals then one would find on the street. I however wouldn't say that anyone save a few hates Capitalism, in the threads it shows up nearly everyone says with some regulation its the best system we have.

I'm generally liberal but sometimes i wander over into conservative territory on specific issues. I don't know why there are more liberals than conservatives on this particular site but being mostly liberal i will add my biased opinion that it's because more people on this site use sense and empathy to find the logical solution... ;o)

One thing to point out is this: Younger people (Gen X down) tend to be gamers. In "free societies" (a general term) generations tend to be more liberal over time socially. For example; some interesting studies around feminism showed that, in the US, the males on the 60s were more feminist than the males of the 40s in their attitudes (no surprise there) but what was surprising was that these men also were more feminist than the women of the 40s. This pattern kept repeating (Men in the 90s held more feminist views than Women of the 70s) suggesting that society is getting more liberal in social attitudes over time.

Today's Liberals will look like conservatives to the people of tomorrow.

But that is purely in terms of society not necessarily economics. In the US they tend to be married up a lot. Where I live (New Zealand) I am seen by many as right-wing (a banker who supports a lot of private initiatives and not as much social spending) - however in US terms I would a commie as some of the social spending I am for includes Health Care (which we have already) and Education (including university and post-high school training - which we no longer do). I look at those in terms of both the social and economic benefits they give the country over-all and its citizens specifically.

So yeah. When declaring any type of bias; it pays to check your bearings.

Godavari:
OT: If you think this forum is majority socialist, you're sadly mistaken. I'd bet my left nut that capitalists outnumber socialists at least 10-to-1. If you're so far right-leaning that everything left of France looks socialist to you, perhaps the problem is not the forum's liberal bias but your own conservative bias clouding your judgement.

Okay, here's something that really bugs me. Capitalism and socialism are not mutually opposed to each other. Capitalism is fundamentally the execution of animal instincts which generally act within our own perceived self interests (and that's actually used by economists when describing the phenomenon). Socialism is the idea that government policy should prevent abuses against the lower classes and that certain services (Police, fire, medical, infrastructure, transportation, some insurance, prisons, mail, education, certain banking, etc.) are best handled by a state entity rather than by a private one. Fundamentally, these are not mutually opposed. Capitalism thrives the most in a stable market, but naturally seeks an unstable one in practice. Modern socialism essentially identifies where capitalism does not provide a better service from a state one and creates that infrastructure so that the system benefits as a whole.

One reinforces the other: Socialism stabilizes the market, through regulation and reasonable wages and capitalism drives that market toward innovation. Innovation grows the market, which socialist policies reasonably retrain through regulation to prevent bubbles and instability and prevent crashes. The capitalist will still retain the lion share of his product, but through socialist policies, he has a more stable consumer base through which to sell his product.

Hardcore_gamer:
Seriously, like every other thread on the forum is something like "OMFG ZE EVIL CONSERVATIVE/RIGHT WING HAS DONE SOMETHING EVIL!!!!!".

I am not saying that all liberalism is bad, but it seems to me like the escapist forum users exist mostly of liberals, socialists, and people who hate capitalism and would like to see it burn in hell.

Is there any reason for why the forum doesn't have more conservatives? The only guys I have noticed is me and that other guy who wants to have sex with animals.

Anyone?

It's you. You're incredibly biased so you're distorting the extent of things here. Most of us hate capitalism and want it to burn in hell? I don't recall seeing people say that... Maybe if you mean laissez faire capitalism, but if you do then you're just betraying your biases by just calling it capitalism.

JRslinger:

Hardcore_gamer:

Is there any reason for why the forum doesn't have more conservatives? The only guys I have noticed is me and that other guy who wants to have sex with animals.

Anyone?

The public education system in the U.S. is dominated by liberals. Thus many young people get indoctrinated to be liberals.

Its almost as if all the more intelligent and thoughtful people are Liberals, how weird?!

Seriously, did you not see that gigantic trap you walked into? You should have, given that you set it up yourself.

Also, your comment doesnt really explain for the fact that people from the rest of the planet can access this site too and are also pretty Liberal-minded ladies and gents. Although there is the obvious answer that pretty much everyone has already stated... Reality has a Liberal bias. I am sorry that the world cant keep on sucking ass and being awful forever, but someone has got to clean up your mess.

And you should be thankful... if this is what Liberal bias looks like then you should count yourself lucky because we have seen what Conservative bias looked like back in the 40's and 50's and last time I checked you werent being arrested for being Liberal and then being branded as a "Communist" and blacklisted.

Suck it up, wimps. This isnt what persecution looks like.

Hardcore_gamer:
Seriously, like every other thread on the forum is something like "OMFG ZE EVIL CONSERVATIVE/RIGHT WING HAS DONE SOMETHING EVIL!!!!!".

I am not saying that all liberalism is bad, but it seems to me like the escapist forum users exist mostly of liberals, socialists, and people who hate capitalism and would like to see it burn in hell.

Is there any reason for why the forum doesn't have more conservatives? The only guys I have noticed is me and that other guy who wants to have sex with animals.

Anyone?

You know? I actually feel bad for you. I've heard people say they were born in the wrong place/time, but after I've read umpty-dozen of your posts, I think you really were. You live in a pretty lefty country, and you've got all these conservative ideas in your head that sound great to you. No matter how many posts frustrated, terrified Americans put up of the completely inane, harmful, and ridiculous things our conservative politicians say/do/think, I have to think you're looking at them and thinking "oh come on now, it can't be THAT bad".

It is. No, it really is that bad. You don't see it because you're not slapped in the face with it every day, and I get that. I ask this completely genuinely-- have you ever considered emigrating here? I don't know if you'd understand where we're coming from if you did, maybe you'd fit in just great down at the local Young Republican club. But your posts really do come off to me as a "the grass is greener" sort of thing, and that's the one kind of conservatism I have some degree of sympathy for, even if I also find it frustrating, because I've read enough posts of frustration from non-Americans annoyed at grass-is-greener-isms from Americans (and I suspect I do it too w/r/t Scandinavia) that I recognize the species.

Could I suggest checking out some specifically conservative spaces? You may like it at Free Republic.

Charles_Martel:

Like the well known liberal reality of the free lunch.

Makes as much sense as the child recruiting homosexual "reality".

Most liberals here are young. Some will when they get older and see the clear reality of life without the distortion of idealism will become more conservative.

Implying there are no right wing idealists either. Good one, Chuck, good one.

By the way, I'm older than most of the users here too, and I went from conservative to liberal to moderate. Explain THAT one.

JRslinger:

Hardcore_gamer:

Is there any reason for why the forum doesn't have more conservatives? The only guys I have noticed is me and that other guy who wants to have sex with animals.

Anyone?

The public education system in the U.S. is dominated by liberals. Thus many young people get indoctrinated to be liberals.

Bull
Fucking
Shit
Public schools and public educators come in all types. I've had extremely right wing teachers (most of my history teachers), moderate teachers, and extremely left wing teachers. Even ignoring my anecdotes, most school districts buy the text books Texas goes along with, making those at least nowhere near biased to the left. Most U.S. history books may as well be titled "America, Fuck Yeah!" considering the contents.

Dr_Baron_von_Evilsatan:
I submit that I'm a Conservative Republican. I would joke that us conservatives have better things to do than argue on an internet forum, but as other have said, it's most likely the ideals most associated with the target age group and hobby.

I will say I actually left the Escapist for a considerable time, specifically because of the vocal liberals on this site. The moderators were more than happy to enforce the left bias, and I had never felt more unwelcome in a place I used to frequent daily.

Again, gamer culture. We don't mesh well with an idealogy being lead on a leash by evangelical Christianity.

The Gentleman:

International "conservatism" is pretty much limited to the economic aspects of it. The social and foreign policy aspects are pretty much unique to the US and are separate from the standard left-right debate in many countries.

That still doesn't make sense as to why I'm labeled a conservative though, because I don't really comment on economic issues one way or another. The only things I really comment on are my dislike toward going to war in Iran, supporting Stem Cell research, supporting alternative/green energy, and being in favor of abortion. However, it seems that just because I'm not crazy about Gay marriage, I'm automatically(and wrongly) labeled a conservative.

Revnak:

JRslinger:

Hardcore_gamer:

Is there any reason for why the forum doesn't have more conservatives? The only guys I have noticed is me and that other guy who wants to have sex with animals.

Anyone?

The public education system in the U.S. is dominated by liberals. Thus many young people get indoctrinated to be liberals.

Bull
Fucking
Shit
Public schools and public educators come in all types. I've had extremely right wing teachers (most of my history teachers), moderate teachers, and extremely left wing teachers. Even ignoring my anecdotes, most school districts buy the text books Texas goes along with, making those at least nowhere near biased to the left. Most U.S. history books may as well be titled "America, Fuck Yeah!" considering the contents.

I think you should remember that the US is very large, and what is normal in one state might be the complete opposite in another. For example, I would assume that schools in Atlanta teach in a different fashion from those in Austin or San Fransico.

GunsmithKitten:

Again, gamer culture. We don't mesh well with an idealogy being lead on a leash by evangelical Christianity.

Judging by this forums reaction to Women vs Tropes, I'd say that gamers don't like to be lead by the leash by Feminist either.

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